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right now. good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. paul ruud is on the scene at national zoo and welcome to mtp daily. after calling the press the enemy, the courts a threat to national security, protesters paid thugs, bad polls, fake news, after fumbles questions about anti-semitism and racism, the travel ban rollout miss, the flynn firing, the tweet storms, and the disinformation, you might believe that now would be a good time for a reset of the trump administration. in month two. and there are what you might call green chutes. signaling a potential shift in tone and tenor inside trump's white house, but will it last? if the past 16 months are a guide. there's ample reason to be skeptical that this is just a moment and nothing more.

and vandalism occurring right here in the united states. this is a meaningful reminder of why we have to fight hatred in all of it's very ugly forms. they are horrible and painful and a sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil. >> much different president trump than the one from last thursday. when he was asked basically that question. now the president also spoke with my colleague craig melvin about the state of bomb threats made to jewish centers across the country. again, from that thursday press conference question.

here it is. i hope they catch the people. i think you have had it for longer than people think. neighbor gets brought up more. i will tell you that anti-semitism is horrible and it's going to stop and it has to stop. >> you're saying once and for all -- >> of course, and i do it wherever i get a chance, i do it. >> president trump arguably with a large swath of the american people which the president and his staff dispute in 15 months of the what some might call scorched earth campaigning. there are going to be plenty of people very, very leery of the president's ability to essentially be presidential. and that includes the folks at the anne frank center who put out this scathing statement. even after the president spoke his words today. it is a ban aid on the cancer that affected his own

administration. the statement is a pathetic asterisk of condensation after weeks in which and his staff has committed grotesque acts and omissions. yet day after day fused to apogize and correct the record. folks right now might be the st shot the president is going to have if he's serious about a reset. congress is home and it's a holiday shortened week here in washington. which is perhaps the reason why we've seen some indications that mr. trump or at least the people around him recognize that this is a good time to try to attempt a pivot. the white house has gone back to the drawing board after a disastrous travel ban rollout, we're expecting a new executive order some time this week. the president fired a divisive national security advisor, and yesterday replaced him with a general, h.r. mcmasters. and vice president pence was ensuring allies leery of president trump's commitment. how many times have we talked about a possible trump reset? many times.

the difference is, this time, mr. trump is president. i'm joined now by robert costa, washington post reporter and nbc news political analyst as well as kristen welker, both have covered the ups and downs of trump pivots in the past. kristen, let me start here at the white house, does the white house acknowledge that this looks like a pivot? >> reporter: well, they acknowledge it's been a rocky couple of weeks here and this is sort of the first step in trying are reset on a whole host of issues. mike flynn and replacing general mcmaster. someone who served in both iraq wars and in afghanistan. so that was a critical choice for president trump, so far it appears as though both sides of the aisle think he got that pick rit. d then, of course today, in denouncing the uptick in anti-semitism and in these threats against jewish community

centers in his strongest terms yet, but the question and the challenge i think for the white house is what happens next? what's the follow through? that's a question that sean spicer couldn't answer today in the briefing when he was pressed on this. yes, he denounced anti-semitism today, but how is he going to follow through with that and make it clear to the american nabl he's not going to tolerate it as president? i would also point he's sending his secretary of state rex tillerson to mexico tomorrow to try to turn the page after some very rocky relations with mexico that tough phone call that he had and of course the president of mexico cancelling his visit. the follow through remains a question mark, i think there is acknowledgment here at the white house that they do need to turn the page, chuck. >> robert costa, you've been through these with trump world for some time, sort of this idea of pivots and staff might want to push him in one way and then he doesn't.

is this different this time? >> it's a little different, my reporting tells me that the whirlwind, getting the cabinet through, having all of these different controversies with general flynn as kristen laided out, has now passed. it's a different phase. he's facing a major congressional speech next week. he has to start to get things done on tax reform, on health care, he's going to cpac which hasad this controversy with milo and the alt-right and try to define himself as a president. and that's what people inside the white house are telling me. this is a chance, new phase, congress next week and these appearances to strike a different tune. we'll see if it's actually successful. >> well, robert, let me follow up with you a second on here before kristen which is, look, a lot of the tone setting gets done by the president sometimes just on social media. does he acknowledge that he is the tone setter here and if they want a sort of clean shot

between now and a week from today in that congressional speech that he's got to be a different guy on twitter? >> twitter, specifically, i have not heard of something that's ever really been addressed or going to be addressed. it's somewhat of an understood fact within this white house that no one's going to have a candid conversation with president trump about his use of twitter, maybe the phrasings of his tweets. you see the white house trying to pair back someful it's messaging, let trump speak for himself. and it was trump himself for pushed for that press conference last week because he wants to be the message. >> kristen, is that -- is there already a new media strategy that you see formed that they've decided, let him take more of the lead on this, put him out more? i mean, in some ways today felt like it was -- they wanted to make sure he was the final word on this and not sean spicer. >> well, i think that it's coming from the president to a large extent, chuck, that he

felt like last week he wanted to take the reigns of his own messaging and then you're right, he set the tone again today. the question that we have for the white house is are we going to see more of these impromptu press conferences as he tries to set the tone here? and they didn't rule that out. they thought it was effective, of course as you know, it was a controversial press conference, some people thought it was all over the place and it did more harm than good, but the president felt as though he was getting his message out in the way that he wants to and he still thinks he's the best messenger here at the white house to do that. so i do think that that is going to be part of the narrative moving forward. i also think that we can't stress enough the point that robert was making. this speech next week to a joint session of congress is critically important for the president as he tries to reset things here at the white house. and we are told he's already started to work on it. >> all right robert costa, kristen welker on the trump beat for us. thank you both. let me bring in the panel.

hello to all of you. susan, is this -- what do you make of what we're seeing? is this just today? is this after a realization. what do you make what have you've seen? >> let's remember, it's tuesday and monday was a holiday. >> yeah. >> we're grading him on a curve? >> that may be the case, i do not think you can overestimate the impact he's had on people generally to replace mike flynn with him, has been greatly reassuring to people in the national security mainstream democrats and republicans. and it means that there are a lot of criti like john mccain who now feel the team around president trump on national security affairs is one that you can trust to have good advice and strong advice. >> now the issue is, now they want to get president trump to say the same things as vice president pence did in europe.

but in fact, i want to get -- this almost feels as if they realized, we were creating ourselves problems on capitol hill and oh by the way, we still haven't even started the legislative process. >> that's right. i think that there's an understanding that you can't upset the base, that essentially helped you win this election. how are they going to address an issue that republicans campaigned on repealing. there are if i sures within the republican party hon our to do that. donald trump has to be able to say look, i'm going to step in and play a part in this otherwise to your point, that's going to upset the base. >> and then -- i mean, i felt like they were going down a really bad road with capitol hill. >> yeah. >> toward the end of last week. it wasn't going to just be john mccain and lindsey graham. >> people were worried and let's be careful. >> exactly.

>> we several during rt campaign. you know, i don't think 70-year-old men fundamentally change very often. look back at the campaign. the beginning was utter chaos. there kind of wasn't a campaign, there were just rallies, but it was kind of working, but it was crazy. eventually, they did get a campaign together. >> right. >> it was a real campaign. there was -- but there was a layer of chaos on top of a campaign, but there was a campaign under there. and , i think maybe this is that kind of transition. i don't think that the sort of chaotic nature of communications and what gets said and what gets tweeted, i don't think that's going to change. >> i don't either, that's part strategy, guys. i think this is sort of trump's way he's done business his whole life. shock and awe at the top, be ridiculous -- >> right. >> then pull back. >> that's right. he's very comfortable with chaos. and it's a technique that keeps his opponents or the people he sees as opponents off guard. one thing you'll hear from white

house people is that while his approval ratings are a historic low for a new president, he was at 40% in the gallop daily tracking poll. his strength is equal to that of ronald reagan or barack obama among democrats. he's lost democrats for sure. he's doesn't have very good standing. when you talk about the republicans, he's in real good shape with him. and that matters a lot when you're talking to the republican-controlled congress. >> but he still -- the other -- the issue goes back to when is he going to say these things? now today he said it on anti-semitism, it wasn't a statement and all that stuff. look at jim mattis had to say, no, we're not taking the oil in iraq. and yes, you know, he believes in nato. >> we still like nato. >> he has to do those things himself. >> we need more of that. i think what president trump did today going to the african american maw seem i think was a good sign. he has to do more. when he talks about last week he talks about how the inner cities are in decay or the language he

used. he's got to go out in the communities and meet with the local leaders. he's got to do more of that because i think, you know, hs doing so much that if he doesn't, you know, actually show the american peoplehatelso has a heart and that he has compassion for the things he's talking about, it's problem mat pick. >> ann frank center statement, gene, i thought -- it was rough. on one hand, you sit there and say gee, the president was, you know, did everything that people have been asking him to do. >> uh-huh. >> now that said, he should have done this thursday -- he should have done it sooner. all of those things. but that gets to the skepticism that's out there. so he -- >> exactly. >> he can't just hope one day wipes it all away. >> one day is not wiping away the skepticism of president trump. the people around him. and the people who supported him and helped him get elected president. and, the skepticism of some of those people is not going to go away no matter what president trump says. right? until he repudiates the sort of

alt-right support he got. >> susan, i was reminded, you know, his 11 most disciplined days were the last 11 days of the campaign. >> and it was when you didn't seem him tweet all that much. he kept his stuff to a minimum. and you do have a public out there that is -- you know, who knows how much patience they have for the resets, but they are open to them. >> but like i think the public now even if they don't like the tweets, accept the idea that this is a guy that's going to tweet provocative things, a window into his soul for good or for ill, but will he deliver? will he end up with a health care plan that people feel, yeah, this saves me money, but provides good enough care, we'll let you come through with the tax plan, will there be an infrastructure bill? reality eventually takes over from rhetoric with donald trump. and the further you go along and i think the speech next tuesday is important on whether he has -- seems to have a plan that he can pursue and get enacted. >> you have the last word on this, does he -- does this

speech next week need to sort of -- because everybody is waiting to see, where is the president on the border adjustment tax or where's the president on medicaid expansion when it comes to health care? does he need to give answers in that speech? is that the expectation? >> some. obviously in the speech like that you're not going to get into the nitty-gritty, he has to be more detailed about it. get some guidance because at the end of the day, as we said, it's republicans who have to carry the water for the president. and they need guidance on this. they want to support the president, but they also need to figure out what exactly he's behind. >> in some ways, he needs to play refereen capitol hill because there's compeng -- at least on policy. you guys are sticking around. coming up, another day, another story connecting the kremlin to the trump administration. another denial from the white house. a lot of smoke there, is there a fire? we'll talk to somebody who might have an idea. plus, behind the scenes of panda diplomacy as the national zoo said bye bye to boaboa.

welcome back. with congress on break this week, lawmakers are back home. and many are feeling the heat from people in their states and districts, including senate majority leader mitch mcconnell in lawrenceburg, kentucky, facing questioners and protesters today. >> the last i heard, these coal jobs are not coming back and now these people don't have the insurance they need because they're poor. and they work those coal mines, and they're sick, the veterans are sick, the veterans are broken down, they're not getting what they need. if you can answer any of that, i'll sit down and shut up like elizabeth warren. [ laughter ] >> so, while people are upset about the slew of issues, questions and concerns about repealing obamacare is the recurring theme at these town halls. in fact, here's a little bit of what iowa republican senator chuck grassley heard today.

>> repeal obamacare, improve it! for god sakes. [ applause ] >> of all the people -- >> why did you support her? >> why didn't you pick someone with a commitment to quality public education? instead of just making money for private schools? >> what's the purpose -- [ applause ] >> now of course, grassley is no stranger to town halls on health care. holding them regularly around his state all the time, now with politician may have to move or seen the power than grassley in 2009 if you recall. he went from a potential republican crossoverarer on health care with obama and the democrats to an opponent in a hurry. after he faced resistance from constituents and other members of his party at those town halls. grassley was asked after the event today how town halls this year compared to what he's going through this year. >> it's nothing compared to 2009, well 2009 in the summer of

2009. >> you said that was more intense than this? >> oh yeah, oh yeah. >> there you go. politically, grassley was right. had he worked with obama, he probably would have been primaried and he probably would have lost. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ everyone deserves attention, whether you've saved a lot or just a little. at pnc investments, we believe you're more than just a number. so we provide personal financial advice for every retirement investor. with not food, become food?

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sater. who was born in russia and pled guilty to stock manipulation. and andre artemenko, a member who is associated with pro-russian politicians. according to to the "new york times," after that meeting, cohen hand delivered property posed peace plan to the white house in a sealed envelope. the washington post says cohen told them while he left the meeting with a peace proposal in hand, he did not deliver it to the white house or discuss it with anyone. and for the record, cohen told nbc news, quote, i acknowledge that the brief meeting took place, but emphatically deny discussing this topic or delivering any documents to the white house or to general flynn. all right. so trump's personal lawyer is telling three different versions of this story to three different news outlets. and the white house says no one has talked about a peace proposal and no one has talked to himt all.

david, welcome back, sir. >> good to be with you, chuck. >> so, first of all, what do you make of this story and as you just heard and i know you guys are dealing with the same thing, we're getting three different versions from the same source. >> this needs to be unravelled. this is why it's important to have investigations conducted by fbi or other law enforcement. if there's a question of violation of laws or committees of congress. just to get a clear account. this is the kind of thing that's alleged. the meeting, people trying to influence u.s. policy flowed a peace plan for ukraine through the president's friends of former business associates, that happens in almost every presidency. i can remember in the carter administration, flynn administration, reagan

administration, attempts to pass messages, do deals, have back channels, they're often troubling, sometimes involve president's relatives -- >> i was just going to say. remember, we had the billy carter incident i think back in the late '70s, that's one you're referring to and remember sydney blooming that will in the hillary clinton, all of his libyan intel that turned out not to be true, but that created a back channel situation. >> so i think that's really the point, chuck, is that people always are wanting to use their connections with the president, with the white house, with the president's former associates to pass messages to do deals, it's just a feature of life in washington or any other capital for that matter. that's why it's important to get a clearly established factual record.

i'm not speaking here of any issues of the white house's involvement, we don't know that there was any. talking about attempts to use the president's network of friends and associates because donald trump has had so many business deals around the world, that's what he really ran on. i'm a deal maker. >> i know people all over. he's going to be especially vulnerable. it's good at the start, as angry as he seems to be about any discussion of russian contacts to get this examined clearly and on the record. >> i was just going to say -- wait, just so i get your point clear, it sounds like you're concerned that there is going to be a lot of people who will claim trump ties, maybe use it to curry favor with some foreign government to make a buck. and it may get nowhere, but that is a dangerous thing to have all these people running around thinking that they can somehow curry -- or at least pitch themselves as somebody who curry favors with the president.

how do you shut that down? >> i think the only way you can shut it down is by the white house taking a strong line calling for investigation of any allegation -- if it's in the white house's interest to shut this down so people don't play games. this kind of private diplomacy can get very complicated. take a look at this example. andre, the ukrainian parliamentarian who it's alleged met with michael cohen, president trump's personal lawyer to deliver this peace plan was announced today in ukraine, is under investigation in ukraine for treason, for passing along a peace plan that's contrary to the interests of his government. so, you know, these things get very tangled very quickly and the only way to stop them is a firm line, i think from the white house. >> let's get to the substance here a second. where are we on negotiations here in ukraine?

>> so the framework for negotiations is the so-called minsk agreement to pass legislation that gives greater rights to people until the southeastern area, the area of ukraine that's now under quazi russian occupation. there might be an opening to make this minsk agreement. i think every person thinks a compromise is necessary.

the problem, i think, is this sort of aura, mystery, and back dealing, double dealing, it's going to make it harder to do the diplomacy that the president trump has said he wants to do. >> very quickly, general mcmaster, it's got bipartisan praise, a lot of -- and all this, what is the upside and downside for having an active member of the military as national security advisor? >> well, i mean, i think generally it's not a good idea to have active duty officers in positions like this. so it's hard to see an upside, per se, the upside about h.r. mcmaster, he's an outstanding officer, intellectual. he's a person who truly has thought about america's difficulties in the middle east. he has a history of challenging his superiors. he was passed over twice to be promoted to general. so the upside is he's a terrific person.

the downside i think is, these white house jobs involve political skills that military officers shouldn't develop. politicized military officers i think are a bad idea, you know, we have a history with al hague that gets into problems with that. he doesn't have those political skills and i think it's going to be hard for him to run and inner agency process that's supple, that represents all the parties, all the different cabinet agencies. that said, the mcmaster appointment is i think the first thing in some weeks that got almost universal praise. he so well known, so well respected, he's a rare person that everybody basically has something good to say about. >> david ignatious. it's hard to find attracters of you. >> don't look too far. >> washington post, always appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. coming up, here's a frightening thought. what if western powers no longer

have an agreed upon set of moral values. what if there is no more right and wrong? just winners and losers? what happens to the global world order event. stay with us.

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welcome back to mtp daily, we want to turn now to a question that's been on a lot of our minds recently. as president trump writes the rules of political norm also flirting with something a bit more dangerous? the loss of america's moral high ground. president created a stir on super bowl sunday when he seemed to elude to an equivalency between russia and the united states when he said the following.

>> do you respect putin? >> i do respect him. >> he's a killer though. putin's a killer. >> there are a lot of killers. we have a lot of killers. you think our country's so innocent? you think our country's so innocent? >> folks, comments like these are reminding people of an old soviet tactic known as what aboutism. here's how it was defined by russian american journalist in the "new york times" over the weekend. it's the trick of turning any argument against the opponent when faced with acquisitions of corruption, they claimed the entire world is corrupt. so much of american foreign policy is based on and agreed upon, sometimes a prigsal moral values. they are shared with other small l, small d liberal democratic societies around the world. sure, america isn't perfect, but the united states has repeatedly fought for freedom and democracy around the world in it's most i'd listic form. the u.s. president seeds this moral high ground can indicate a huge shift in america's world view and one that could have serious repercussions around the

globe. joining me now is said journalist. contributing opinion writer to the "new york times." that was a pretty powerful op-ed that you wrote. and i thought it was interesting in this idea of the biggest criticism of the bush years was that he viewed everything as good versus evil. it's the winners and losers job seem concerned about. explain some more. >> it's funny to feel know stall jik, isn't it? and there's a nihilistic viewpoint that's quite familiar to me coming from russia, it's familiar to hundred garns, under

the administration, it was familiar to europeans living through the destruction of democracies in europe in the 1920s and '30s. and it's this view that there is no such thing as good and bad, good and evil. it's important to argue politics with somebody who takes that position because you have nothing to rest on. basically fur right as long as you win, that you -- then you have no way of speaking back to power, ever. and that's the position that trump seems to be sticking at. >> so what do you say though to a vooun when he does that? which is this idea that, okay, the united states wants to lecture us about crimes against humanity, then somebody as you said the what aboutism, somebody might go as far back as bringing up slavery or the japanese internment camps or segregation. you go through some of these and

certainly that was something, a constant sort of soviet propaganda pushback. how would you advise an american president to push back on something like that? >> well, basically two approaches. one is to say, it is possible to be opposed to two bad things at the same time. it is possible to be quite aware of the sense of slavery and yet be opposed to soviet human rights or russian human rights violations at the same time. the other response, the more nuances response is different human rights violations are not actually the same. not everything is equivalent. the fact that you have done something wrong doesn't mean that i can't also have done something wrong, but it also doesn't mean that the things we have done wrong are exactly the me. and in that sense, when trump says are we so innocent, no. and yet, no intelligent person

in this country, i hope, thinks the united states is the exactly the same. >> could we be headed to an end of a humanitarian-based military interventions if this is where -- if the leader of the free world being the american president goes down this road, that means the idea of doing something because it's morally the right thing to do, but there's no, other than goodwill or in that area or, you know, there's no tangible gain for the united states or for the western world, what does that mean? it means never intervening in a humanitarian crisis. >> right, unless we can take the oil. i mean that seems to be trump's response to most foreign policy questions. what's in it for us? and why should we be -- why should we be participating in nato, are they paying their part? that shows a basic lack of

knowledge about nato, which is evident, but also basic lack of understanding of what the basis of american foreign policy has been, at least since world war ii. >> is there any part of this that you could read as a negotiating ploy on the president's part? >> i'm sure he thinks it's a negotiating point. he thinks of himself as a great deal maker. >> and i think he still envisions himself making wonderful deals with putin that his predecessors failed to make for whatever reason because they're not as good as his deal making, but because they don't understand how the world works. he knows that the world is made up of winners and losers, and they don't. >> and let me ask you in this final question, after 15 or 16 years of this putinism, the russian populist sort of believe in this that there is really nobody in the world has a moral high ground? >> absolutely. the russian population deeply believes that the point that the world is rotten to the core. and this idea that the world is

rot ten to the core is a tenant of fascism. this is something americans don't understand. they think that fascism was driven by grand ideology, which isn't exactly true. but the core belief that sort of led to the rise of fascism in europe in the 28th century was this belief that the world is rot ten to the core and we need to expose our true nature and look only for winners and losers. >> like i said in the start, it was a provocative column, but you do that quite a bit and it's always a very interesting week. thanks for coming on and sharing your views. appreciate it. >> thank you. all right up ahead in the lid, major shift in enforcing the country's immigration laws. stay tuned. can lock down the s. my password? yes, sir, we need your password. the password that i use? yes, sir, your password. there's been another breach! sir! right. okay. i-h-a... ...t-e-m-y-j-o-b-1. ihatemyjob1?

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time now for the lid. the panel is back. so we have new dhs guidelines that came out on immigration executive order. hiring ten thousand more agents and enlisting help from local law enforcement. but, it does for those children, they are not to be deported. where is all of this headed? it seems as if trump is not

doing anything he said ewasn't going to do. you have people concerned that is turning into "mass deportation." where are we? >> one of the headlines is that president trump went back on immigration, at least going to keep daca. i'm glad he is doing that. this review process. others agencies are going to take a look at it. i wouldn't be surprised if it's adjusted in some way. congress has a responsibility to do this and frankly i don't see that happening. >> that's the thing here, if you do it by executive order we're going to have a constant fight. how do you make the argument -- if you're an immigration rights, you feel as if this is harsh. nothing is done against the law. it's just harsh.

they are enforcing the law. >> that's what we have been saying for five years. i'm not sure it will happen, so no, this is consistent with existing law. but it's happening in the real world, in the real world they have to have money for those extra ten thousand agents, and though don't have the money now. in the rl world ty don't have the resources or availability to around up 11 million people. they don't. what it means is that more people who perhaps could have been relatively secure could ra -- soundly before cannot now. luck of the draw, they can have a traffic accident and boom, you're out of the country. >> or you can have enforcement

agency believe you're a threat and that puts in immediate deportation. approach has shifted. there are two economic consequences. one is the cost. the other is economic consequences of deporting people. if they move ahead to deport people working here. what are the economic consequences for farmers and others in manufacturing. >> as a conservative when it comes to immigration they have no problem breaking the bank. we have not talked about president trump plan to build the border wall with mexico, it seems like a crazy idea, but there's seem to be a political

appetite. >> i think our immigration laws are too strict. until that unless we have to follow the law. the hardest trick going to be what do you do with kids who are minors whose parents are getting deported. that to me is the challenge for the agents. >> we don't have an answer there. i think there's a bunch of discretion built into the guidelines or rules and they have to be interpreted by i.c.e. if the president doesn't make a decision on case by case about says. but they have to make decision do we go through this or not. >> we know hispanic are fastest growing in the u.s., what is going to the reaction in four

years to much harsher deeper dor poration policy. >> there's a ceiling or floor for when it comes to -- >> let's see what they do. >> how it works, how it is as hype around it. after the break, diplomacy in black and white. stay tuned.

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in case you missed it. paul are youed is a no show at zoo. when a panda flies they fly panda express. bao bao is heading to home. panda diplomacy has been going on for centuries. modern times china rents out zoo attractions, adult panda spend ten years on loan. the baby panda has to be sent to china around four as is the case with bao bao. here in united states panda express begin with zing zing,

and to babies ma till da and -- good deal for the chinese and we got -- glad to see they can procreate at the zoo. for the record with greta starts now. shooting on the border mexican teen shot by border agent standing on u.s. soil. first, the new deportation memos. trump administration unveiling plans to crackdown on