away. >> it's been a pleasure to have you. next time you're on, dallas, brad, we'll give you ten minutes for the show so that we can really have time to talk about this. thank you both. thank you for watching this hour. my colleague ali velshi is picking it up in new york city. >> you're kidding me. you're ending that conversation? dallas, i'll give you ten minutes right now. that was fantastic. the woodhouse brothers. right now -- have a great afternoon, hallie. right now on msnbc, fierce debate at republican town halls across the country. the party struggling to define its legislative agenda. the gop is balancing pressure from voters with pressure to carry out the president's plan. andouth of the border, a new diplomatic push. secretary of state rex tillerson and homeland security secretary john kelly going to mexico city on a two-day visit. are they going to be able to smooth things over with the mexican president? we'll be live in mexico city. and in just a few hours, the army corps of engineers is set to shut down the protest camp at standing rock.

demonstrators protesting the dakota access pipeline are getting two choices. a bus to a transition center or a bus to being arrested. we're live at standing rock reservation. i'm ali velshi live from msnbc headquarters in new york. a growing number of republicans members of congress at home on break getting an earful from voters at town hall meetings. their constituents are fired up about a number of policy issues coming out of the white house. >> if you can answer any of that, i'll sit down and shut up like elizabeth warren. >> -- repeal obamacare and prove it. >> you wasted a lot of money on benghazi. waste a little on trump. >> it feels like we've got a juvenile running our country. >> hear, hear. >> now president trump is reacting to scenes like that by tweeting the so-called angry

crowds in home districts of some republicans are actually in numerous cases planned out by liberal activists. sad. our new nbc news survey monkey poll out this morning shows president trump's approval rating at 43%, while 54% t disapprove. kristen welker, these town halls are becoming a phenomenon.wh what are you seeing and hearing about them? >> they are reminiscent of the tea party town halls that swept that movement into political strength here in washington. what we're seeing here is that the lawmakers are on recess, and they being met with some angry constituents who are complaining about everything from obamacare to iran, to the president's handling of foreign policy. take a listen to this exchange that happened last night.

>> as you see there, another angry exchange and a little bit of a reality check from members of congress as they go home. of course, this gets more significant as you get closer to the midterm elections but it will undoubtedly inform some of the debate in washington, d.c., particularly as you have the president saying he within the coming weeks is going to put forward his plan to repeal and replace obamacare and his policies for tax reform. today the president does have a legislative strategy session where he'll undoubtedly be discussing all of this. >> let's talk about the immigration and travel ban. it is proving to be a hot top ic. steven miller saying on fox last night, the president's aide, saying that they are working on a new executive order and it will largely be the same as the last one. when are we expecting it and what's going to be in it? >> that squares with what we know.

we are hearing it will largely be the same as that first travel ban which halted travel from seven predominantly muslim countries. the thing to watch is the language around syrian refugees. that first draft contained language that essentially called for a blanket indefinite ban of all syrian refugees. seod my conversations here, i would expect that language to be a little bit differen we're not going to see, i think, a blanket, indefinite ban. i think there will be exceptions for green card holders. that was some of the language that allowed this first execute of order to get held up in the courts. and that's what the administration wants to avoid this time around. in terms of the timing, i'm told we could see a new executive order by the end of the week. >> we'll be closely monitoring that. let's go to the reaction over the trump administration's crackdown on illegal immigration in the country. this is different from the immigration ban that we're talking about. democrats are claiming that president trump is setting the stage for, quote, mass

deportations. the new enforcement guidelines mean that virtually anyone in the united states illegally is at risk of being deported, even for minor violations which include driving without a license. you'll recall you sometimes can't get a license if you are an undocumented immigrant. sean spicer insists the goal is not mass deportation. >> the message from this white house and from the dhs is that those people who are in this country and pose a threat to our public safety or have committed a crime will be the first to go and we will be aggressively making sure that that occurs. remember, everybody who is here illegally is subject to removal at any time. that is consistent with every country. not just ours. >> msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber joins me for the ari and ali few minutes. do people who are here illegally in the country, despite what sean spicer says, do they have a reason to be fearful at this point? >> well, fearful? i think the fact is the

deportation rates have been on the rise. that was the policy of the obama administration over 2.5 million deportations. and these new orders strengthen and fortify that and the policy may continue. maybe even slighter higher. there is nothing on the scale. mass deportation you're imagining house to house searches or trying to actually remove all 10 million undocumented? no. that's not implicated here, but there is, we can put on the scen, 15,000 new agents, more deforation authority. it does keep daca which protects childhood arrivals and bolsters local police help, creating authority for local folks to help with what has been a federal action. >> which, by the way, if you were joe arpaio, you thought that was a great idea. a lot of cities say we don't want to get involved. >> we talk to law enforcement who say we're trying to deal with more serious local crimes. we're trying to deal with murder, drugs, rape, we don't necessarily want to go around

focussing on the undocumented if they haven't committed other more serious felonies. >> sean spicer made the point every country wants to deport people who commit crimes. the woman we saw being deported. she committed a felony. the felony was working without documentation. driving without a driver's license, while we would think of that as normally a very serious thing if you couldn't get a driver's license, that explains some of it. so i think we're drawing distinctions. the obama administration was quite into deporting people who were convicted of serious, violent crimes. >> both. >> drug crimes. >> the obama administration wanted to use prosecutorial discretion. they went after those crimes. they also had more deportations than other administrations in history. so they were both. sometimes we come on air and say sean spicer is lying. i'm not afraid to say it when it happens. this is a time sean spicer is telling the truth. he is certainly accurate as a legal point that people are subject to deportations that many countries do this.

the question isn't how they roll out the policy. i'll give you one example. this is new. we spoke to an international law professor who explain that the way this could be implemented, could violate our treaty obligations. the treaty that comes to mind that could be violated with the policies in these memos is our obligation to the convention against torture. if they are too aggressive and you don't have process for people you could take good, innocent people and throw them back into an environment where they are in danger which is something we generally avoided. we have a map. we can show you an example. someone fleeing honhonduras. they come up through other countries and come up to the u.s. and then we endup trying to throw them back. not to honduras but back to mexico where they could be in a no man's land or detention center. nobody wants that. we don't know if the administration is going to do that. but this kind of authority can be abused according to experts we've spoken to. that said, it's similar, real

talk, to what a lot of the obama administration did. >> this, in particular, this enforcement is not a major shift. >> not today. >> it's a shift in tactics. >> as it's written, we don't see mass deportation. >> we appreciate the fairness in the reporting on it. president trump is scheduled to meet minutes from now with secretary of state rex tillerson. that coming before tillerson and john kelly get ready to head to mexico this afternoon. their goal is to smooth relations after mexico's president abruptly canceled a trip to the white house last month. and that came hours after president trump signed an executive order to move forward with building a border wall and repeating his demand that mexico pay for it. kerry, good morning to you. there have been continuing protests in mexico against president trump's policies. what kind of welcome can secretaries tillerson and kelly expect there? >> well, i think they'll have a diplomatic welcome, but certainly there is a lot of

animosity here. a lot of people here who feel that, first of all, the sovereignty of mexico is somehow being questioned by the united states. and so as the secretary of state and the secretary of homeland security arrive here first to meet with the foreign secretary, and eventually with the president here, enrique pena nieto, it's lyikely that we're going to see a few photo ops. they may make a statement. but right now it doesn't look like they'll take any questions from reporters. going into this when they suggest they aren't going to take any questions, it perhaps tell us about what are the expectations here. here in mexico there's a real feeling, and we can see from a protest held here just a short while ago, a few days ago, about donald trump, folks here who are not happy with president trump, that they expect that -- or they feel as if president trump and the united states are being

bullies along the border and they would like to see a relationship here that they feel is back and forth rather than one-sided. >> they'll also be talking about this border adjustment tax or the big border tax as donald trump wants to call it. >> yeah, it's 20% if it goes through. that would be 20% on exports from mexico to the united states. and, of course, president trump says, as he had promised everybody in the campaign, i'm going to build a wall. and mexico is going to pay for it. that's how he says mexico is going to pay for it. the real question here for mexico is that 80% of what is exported to this country goes to the united states. and 20% tax could cripple the economy here. we've already seen downward pressure on the peso here to begin with. >> kerry, good to talk to you. kerry sanders in mexico city. a new twist to a murder mystery in asia. how did kim jong-un's half-brother die? police have made a string of

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will you denounce anti-semitism once and for all to clear up the confusion? >> well, i do all the time, and i think it's terrible. i think it's horrible. whether it's anti-semiti o racism or anything you want to think about having to deal with the divide, anti-semitism is, likewise, it's just terrible. >> so you're denouncing now once and for all? >> oh, of course and i do it, wherever i get a chance, i do it. >> that was nbc news exclusive. president trump's strongest words yet denouncing a recent wave of anti-semitic incidents across the country. now some jewish leaders are calling on the government to make more action. take a look at new video from st. louis, miss miss. workers uprighting and repairing broken tombstones at a jewish cemetery vandalized over the weekend. on monday, at least 11 bomb threats were called in to jewish community centers nationwide. authorities say they appear to be hoaxes.

this morning the president needs to do and say more to tackle anti-semitism. >> he came to me asking advice on how to handle it. he's not doing. this is an example for him to take it to the next level and not stop until it's actually eliminated. >> joining me now is david harris, the executive director of the american jewish committee. you called the president's statement yesterday disappointing to say the least. >> i did. look, it was welcomed in so far as it went but it was long in coming and it should not have been long in coming. this president is not an anti-semite. he's been a friend to the jewish people. he has members of his own family who are jewish. it shouldn't have taken so long to get him to denounce the obvious. but he's done it -- >> what's the problem? what's the issue? it seems obvious to say that those pictures we saw are wrong,

calling in bomb threats to jccs are wrong. what do you think the delay is? >> to be frank, it's baffling. president trump is a friend of many jews. there eews in his administration and in his family. he's a friend of israel for some reason he seemed to take these questions as if they were personal accusations against him. they were not. >> including one from an orthodox jewish reporter who started by saying that he thought he was a friend to the jewish community. let's talk about the other thing he said to craig melvin yesterday. the president. he said anti-semitism must be stopped and it will be stopped. he thinks in terms of enforcement which is not a bad thing because we definitely want anti-religious -- whoever it's targeted at stopped. but there's a tone issue. and i want to play for you words that we heard from president bush after 9/11 when he was confronting something a little bit different. it was islam phobia and the

growing threat of that. let's play that. >> i also want to speak tonight directly to muslims throughout the world. we respect your faith. it's practiced freely by many millions of americans and by millions more in countries that america counts as friends. >> for all anybody's issues are with george w. bush, he did do that at the front end of what was becoming a phenomenon. now we're seeing this anti-semitism becoming a new -- a renewed phenomenon in america with these calls and these cemetery desecrations. what can president trump do in terms of tone? rather than just saying he always denounces anti-semitism at any opportunity, what can he do like that? >> first of all, this is not just the business problem that can be identified and solved. unfort notally anti-semitism has been around for thousands of years. it's called the oldest pathology. there's not an overnight solution. what we need is government

leadership. we need the president to set the tone. anti-semitism is not just against jews. it's against american values and ideals and he needs to say it and repeat it. and the gernment has the role of law enforcement at every level but then there's civil society as well. we have to stand together. people of all faiths. because when one faith is attacked, the edifice begins to crumble. we're all in this together. the jccs for many are places where both jews and non-jews frequent. >> i live across from one. it's meant for the whole community. you've been involved in a lot of interfaith work. this prejudice is not necessary loo about jews. the problem is the president has lost track of that. discrimination against anyone. where does he have to draw that line? he wants to be against discrimination against anyone but these specific events are -- >> we had the issue with the president around holocaust

remembrance day where the white house issued a statement but never mentioned the word jew and never mentioned the word anti-semitism but this was about the holocaust. so, yes, to universal values but there's a specificity to anti-semitism. it seeks out jews. whether it's white supremacists who are doing it the alt-right, neo-nazi movement or others, they are looking for jews as jews, whether they are jewish children attending a nursery school at a jcc as my children did or whether the elderly or anyone in between. or, by the way, anyone who may not be jewish but is caught in a jewish venue. and we have seen, and to be fair, this is not a new issue. 1999, there was an attack on a jewish community center. fatal. 2006, attack on a jewish federation. fatal. 2014, attack in kansas on a jcc, fatal. this is not a new issue. it's getting more serious. there are now dozens of threats and not just against jccs but

synagogues. we've seen desecrations of cemeteries. this requires the attention of the government at all levels and of civil society. >> david, always good t talk to you. david harris is the execuve director of the american jewish committee. time is nearly up for dakota access pipeline protesters. multiple fires have broken out at the camp this morning just a few hours before the army corps of engineers is scheduled to shut it down. the evacuation order comes more than six months after protesters first set up camp to oppose the pipeline. now there are only a few hundred people left to there but at time there were thousands. nbc's cal perry is there. let's talk about these fires. what's going on with the fires and the protesters have been offered an ultimatum. >> reporter: less than four hours to the deadline as you laid out. the authorities are giving people a choice. that's going to be two buses that are going to come in the next few hours. one bus will go to bismarck

where there will be an out processing center if people need help getting home, a bus ticket. they'll be given one. there will be a second bus that's going to go to the jail. they'll let people make a decision. before 2:00 p.m., anyone in the xamp after 2:00 p.m. local time, 3:00 perform m. ea.m. eastern t in left in the camp is subject to arrest. some will probably stay. we know there's about a dozen hard-core supporters, water protecters as they call themselves here. they say they're going to get arrested. they want that to be on the record. i think everyone else is likely to leave in the coming hours. >> cal, construction has begun. a lot of people may not know this but most of the pipeline is done. there's a last part to be done but there's still a court fight about that last piece of construction. what can you tell us? >> yeah, there's two things the tribe is going to challenge the executive order on. the first is they want an environmental impact study. they think that maybe even after the oil starts flowing and you're right. this pipeline is almost complete. in the next 30 days, oil is

going to start flowing through it. they think an environmental impact study could stop the pipeline. the other thing they'll challenge is on the grounds of treaties. thetanding rock sioux believe this is in violation of treaties that the government has continuously rolled back. so they'll be challenging it on those two things. specifically the environmental impact study and more broadly the treaties with the u.s. government. >> cal perry for us in north dakota. coming up next -- congressional investigations into the trump administration. potential conflicts abroad and alleged ethics violations at home i'll speak with florida democratic congressman ted deutch about that. plus, his calls to remove steve bannon from the national security counsel. ahh, sir?

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something absolutely crazy happened on capitol hill recently. a bipartisan group of lawmakers worked together and got something done. last week the house judiciary committee adopted an amendment to defend the nonpartisan office of government ethics, which has been highly critical of president trump's business ties. the amendment ensures the committee will not only defend but, quote, investigate any threat to the independence or efficacy of the oge. you may remember one of the first actions house republicans took up this year was to try to gut the oge by putting it under the oversight of the house ethics committee. right now the oge is a board made up of eight private citizens who don't work with the government. joining me is democratic congressman ted deutch of florida who introduced the new amendment. he's the ranking member of the ethics committee and serves on the judiciary and foreign affairs committees. the move by the republicans was to get the office of government ethics into your committee. you didn't even agree with that.

tell us how important this amendment is and what your republican colleagues had to s about it. >> sure. well, thanks for having me on. the office of government ethics is the body that's tasked with overseeing the ethics in the executive branch. and our judiciary committee in the house, in our rules, has a provision to provide some general oversight. that's not good enough in light of what we've seen coming out of the administration. it's not enough just to watch over it. we have to defend it when it is challenged, and it has been challenged by the president and others both in word and in the actions that require oge investigations. we have to be very serious about this. that's what people expect from us. >> there are a lot of calls for investigations into the alleged ties between russia and the president. and the president's campaign and general michael flynn's actions concerning russia. right now the senate intelligence committee's

investigating russia's role in the election. do you think committees should be investigating separate complaints? should this be looked at as a whole? should it be a special committee that's not a standing committee? tell me what your thoughts are on this. >> well, i think any and all of what you just suggested, the fact is there are so many issues for us to focus on when it comes to the relationship between the trump administration and the trump campaign before it. and russia. it's not just the dismissal of general flynn and what he said in a conversation or two. it's now clear that there have been -- there were multiple kfrg conversations with a number of individuals from the campaign. and as we play that forward now, we have real concerns about the decision-making that this administration will make. and the steps that it may take to ease sanctions on russia. the way that it will approach our relationship with russia and the potential continued business ties between the trump family and russia.

all of that, i think,s ripe for investigation. the senate is lookingt it on their intelligence committee and other committees in the house i think our foreign affairs committee should clearly investigate. and there should be an independent commission. there's legislation to create one like with the 9/11 commission when something this serious happens that didn't just affect the election but impang s pacts the way people view the decision-making of the president of the united states. >> white house press secretary sean spicer was asked about the new national security adviser, lieutenant general h.r. mcmaster and whether he would have the power to remove steve bannon from the principals committee. hours here's what he had to say about it. >> the president has made clear to him, he's got full authority to structure the national security team the way he wants. obviously, it's something like that he would come to the president and make that recommendation. but the president would take that under serious

consideration. >> congressman, do you really see that happening? >> well, listen, i think the president should listen to those who are suggesting, including myself and many, many others, those who are calling for the removal of steve bannon and the end of the politicization of the principals committee. they should take steve bannon and reince priebus off of the principals committee and put back the chairman of the joint chiefs and the director of national intelligence. it has never, ever been politicized until this administration and my hope is that that will become clear going forward and we'll see the role it plays providing meaningful analysis not politicized in any way. >> congressman, i don't generally bring up people's religion without context, but in context of the discussion that i just had with david harris from the american jewish committee, you are jewish. you are a member of the

bipartisan coalition for fighting antisem tu-semitism in house. were you satisfied with the way the president denounced anti-semitisyesterday? >> well, listen, i am glad that the president denounced anti-semitism. it was waffling to me that after failing to mention in the holocaust remembrance day statement the fact that it was the jews who were the target of the final solution and then having time and time again opportunities to fix that and opportunities when there have been dozens of threats against institutions across the country, so many opportunities to call out for an end to anti-semitism and pushing back against these horrific acts and the president couldn't do it. i'm glad that he read the statement, but we need to see much more from the administration in taking a firm line against anti-semitism and racism and bigotry in all of its forms. that's what we should expect

from our president and i still have concerns going forward that we've not seen enough. we have to be vigilant ensuring that's what happened. >> congressman, good to talk to you. thanks for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> congressman ted deutch is a democratic congressman from florida. new details on the american victims of an australian plane crash top our look at stories around the news nation. the four passengers who died were on vacation from texas. they include a retired fbi agent, former energy executive, retired attorney and his neighbor whose daughter spoke to nbc by phone. >> he was really, really smart, and he was a really good dad. >> the pilot who was also killed reported a catastrophic engine failure just before the plane crashed into a mall on monday. police in malaysia want to question a north korean diplomat in connection with the death of kim jong-un's half-brother kim jong-nam. police want to talk with an employee of north korea's

state-owned airline. meanwhile, officials say the two women suspected of the deadly attack coated their hands with poison. back here in the united states, wells fargo fired several senior administration as part of the investigation into the company's sale practices scandal. it's the first public firing of managers and executives since wells fargo acknowledged in september that its employees opened up as many as 2 million accounts without customer authorization, allegedly to meet sales quotas. and tonight's powerball jackpot hands at more than $403 million. if you get the top prize, you are two options. annual payments over 29 years or $243.9 million in a lump-sump payment. that's because however you take the money, you have to pay your taxes on the winnings. coming up, i'll talk live with new york congressman tom reed who held four town halls this week. it's our little differences,

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more on the growing number of republican lawmakers facing angry constituents at town halls while congress is in recess this week. among them, congressman tom reed who joins us live now. congressman, good to see you. let's show the viewers some of what you encountered on the weekend. >> i'm here to listen. ideas on health care -- let me throw one out. let me throw one out that i am very supportive of.

how about our conversation -- where do people -- where do people stand -- >> that was at the first of four town halls that you held on saturday. were the others like that? >> yeah, at times they were. but it was amazing for the six hours we spent together listening to people, we had stretches where we had really good dialogue. and that's one of the jobs is to listen to people. >> do you agree with president trump who tweeted, i'm going to put it back up, the so-called angry crowds in home districts of some republicans are actually in numerous cases planned out by liberal activists? >> there's definitely some organization going on. you look at the guides online that they are designing to try to trap us, as quote/unquote as they've indicated. a lot of this is organic. people that are just scared, afraid of where we're going as a country. it's incumbent upon me to be a

conduit for their voice in washington, d.c. >> you are seeing a level of passion you haven't seen before. what are your constituents most passionate about or most fearful of. >> there's a lot of misinformation out there. this idea that somehow republicans don't care about them. that republicans want to turn their back on them and just want to rip out their health insurance. that's just not the case. we care deeply about them. we think we can empower people when it comes to health care and health care replacement. that's the path we're going to go down. >> part of the issue is there's a lot of overpromising about how it was going to happen on day one and be ripped up and the same hour and repealed and replaced at the same time. now we're not really sure where that process stands. what can you tell us about where we are in repeal, replacing, fixing obamacare? >> i think the first step is coming together very well. this week was an important week for me to go back to the district and listen. and we live in my hometown of corning. i spent a lot of time in the district. and talking to them about replacement in regards to

refundable tax credits and we return to washington next week. we'll be in a position to take that first step to repeal and replace. working with tom price as health secretary, and then having a longer conversation. how to reform health care with bipartisan reforms that is really what it's going to take going forward. >> i want to play you what chuck schumer said yesterday about what republicans are saying privately about president trump. >> when you talk to republicans quietly, you know, in the cloak room, in the gym, they are having real problems with him. my prediction is, he keeps up on this path which is likely. i don't think he'll change. within three, four months you'll see a whole lot of republicans -- >> talk about that. what are you hearing? are people a little worried out this directionless stuff, the fights that the president gets into that seem to be off topic? >> obviously, what the president

is doing and i just heard it this morning when i went to our local grocery store picking up dog food for the house. people coming up and saying this president is doing what he said he was going to do and that's refreshing. they have been so used to politicians saying one thing and doing another. now we have a chance to lead. and this is what the president is doing, and i think once we start delivering those solutions i'm not worried about this split from the president. >> in the meantime, you'll keep on going to those meetings and listening to your constituents. >> we've done 200-plus of those. you have to listen to people. last night we spent an hour on the street in front of my corning office. it's about the dialogue. we have to come together as a nation to solve these problems. >> appreciate you remaining involved in that dialogue. representative tom reid, congressman of new york. senator majority leader mitch mcconnell is set to attend a lunch event in kentucky and a group of protesters are gathered outside. why republican town halls have

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>> these coal jobs are not coming back and now these people don't have the insurance they need because they're poor. they work these coal mines and they're sick. the veterans are sick. the veterans are broken down. they're not getting what they need. if you can answer any of that, i'll sit down and shut up like elizabeth warren. >> joining me for our daily briefing is nbc news senior political editor mark murray. i just had a conversation with tom reed who said -- the republican congressman from new york -- who said once they get down to business and start seeing the republicans are doing what they said they were going to do in the election and donald trump is fulfilling his promises, everyone is going to be on board. that's not how you see it. >> right. right now they don't have any deliverables. yes, there have been some executive actions president trump has been able to take but on big legislative items, obamacare, repeal and replace, on tax reform. we don't only not have the passage of the legislation.

we're not even at the committee hearing stage of this. and so we have a certain ways to go. and the big question for the trump administration with his approval rating in the low 40s now, with some of these very boisterous town halls on whether there is going to be the kind of vision as well as the work to be able to get in a position where congress is able to tackle obamacare, as well as tax reform. >> interesting, though, you bring up those poll numbers. there are presidents who have been in the low 40s. and as you said, they haven't got a lot of legislation on the docket. so reed's argument and others is wait until you see us do a few things. it might actually get better for the president. >> president trump is an atypical politician and may be able to break some type of normal historical patterns but what is significant here is that we have had no honeymoon phase for donald trump's presidency. this is supposed to be the time where your approval rating instead november the low 40s is

50% or above 60% or you've already had some legislative victories. barack obama had his stimulus signed into law at this point h victory. you reach out to the opposition. you're able to get some bipartisan legislation done or at least the appearances of that. we are not at that stage at all. there's been almost no political honeymoon and if there are going to be victories for trump and his team, they're going to have to come after a situation where the opposition is already really fired up. >> i just mentioned that poll, this nbc news survey monkey poll looks at the impact of immigration in the united states. 58% respondents say immigrati helps. 37% said it hurts. if the majority of americans think immigration is helpful, why is the president focusing so much of his attention on curtailing it? is there a disconnect between the president and the country? >> it's just how you ask the question on the polling and that

result is similarly asked questions coming to immigration. what are their views when it comes to illegal immigration rather than just immigration in total where the reaction among republicans on this issue where republicans are more opposed to immigration than they used to be and i think you see where the energy is in the party and certainly with the trump supporters on the goals that they want to take on. >> mark, good to talk to you as always. i'm always a little smarter after the conversation. mark murray our nbc political editor. council up the push for reforms in the democratic party coming from the left. i'll speak with the leader of one group, wewillreplaceyou.org, why they're threatening to push out some democrats in upcoming primaries. hey, it's the phillips' lady!

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there's a new warning to democrats coming from liberal activists. fight president trump or we'll find someone who will. all of us launched we will replace you, made up of organizers and activists from several movements including black lives matter. they are prepared to launch primary challenges against democrats who they feel don't work hard enough to block the president's policies. next year democrats must defend 23 senate seats, ten from states donald trump won in november. joining me is the co-founder of all of us and wewillreplaceyou.org. former organizer with the bernie

sanders campaign. wally thank you for being with us. two democrats mentioned as the main targets are senator joe manchin and senator heidi both went for trump. how are democrats supposed to determine who they're target? >> this isn't left versus right, it's more right versus wrong. right now we're in a fight for the soul of america and we want democrats who will fight, that's true who will fight for what's at stake for our country, for our democracy and communities like mine. our message is pretty simple, resist trump or we'll find to replace you during a primary challenge. i'm muslim-american, my mom, public school employee, lived her for decades trump is making her feel like this country is not her home, my brother is seeing swastikas appear on his campus. my family is worried about college debt, retirement, jobs, all those things.

how dare democrats tell us that we should compromise with trump over anything when millions of americans are feeling for a lot of people for the first time for many people they've been feeling this for a long time like this country isn't their home. >> walid, i hear everything you're saying but he got elected president, so that might be one reason to attempt to compromise with him. >> i don't think that's true at all. donald trump is not a normal president. people appear on the sunday shows, people are appearing at congress like everything is normal. americans are taking action at women's march, town halls, even like republicans on the previous segment there's resistance and democrats in the senate retweeting the existence and they should oppose, resist, block all of trump's policies which are leading america to a place that we shouldn't be going to. >> you know, this is what a lot of democrats and progressives say that republicans did to barack obama.

>> it's true that republicans did this to barack obama. we need to stand up for america and our communities and our democracy. this is not politics as usual, and we're seeing a resistance appear at town hall saying oppose trump, oppose trump, oppose trump. the logical next step is to earn support of constituents at town halls they need to fight with all the people struggling to make this democracy for all of us. >> what is your response to people who say you know, the challenge by democrats, by progressives to sitting democrats could cost them seats in the end. if there's one lesson that progresses may have learned, protest that doesn't result in winning can sometimes be wasted. >> a lot of republicans said that to the tea party and they swept congress in 2010. democrats don't win elections by catering to the republican right to the racism of the right, to

the greed of the republicans. what we need is people who are going to go back to their constituencies and tell america the truth what's going on in america right now, what's wrong and what's wrong with america is that donald trump has been campaigning on a divisive rhetoric, trying to divide the american people by appealing to racial anxiety. republicans go and campaign on dog whistle politics and we need democrats who are going to tell the truth what this racist rhetoric is doing to america and how appointing billionaires into your cabinet, appointing wall street bankers to your cabinet doesn't help anyone in blue state america or red state america. >> walis your passion will find its way into constitch wencies around the country. thank you for joining us, the cofounder of all of us and we will replace you.org. thank you for watching this hour of "msnbc live." find me on facebook, inta gram

and nsnapshat. right now on msnbc "andrea mitchell reports." >> boiling point, angry voters confront their congress members over president trump's performance and their anxiety over health care. >> do your job. do your job! >> i'm on obamacare if it wasn't for obamacare we wouldn't be able to afford anxiety. >> the anxiety is real. people want real solutions so we have to pay attention toat. >> border lines, the speaker of the house visits the texas border today. the secretaries of state and homeland security visit mexico as the white house plans to crack down on millions of undocumented immigrants. >> wanted to take the shackles off individuals in these agencies and say you have a mission. there are laws that need to be followed. you should d