>> i take out of this world. >> i like how you slowed things down because we're not quite at 2:00. we're still trying to get there. >> i don't want to give it to you -- >> i'll take it early, and start talking to viewers at home. the big thing coming out of today's press briefings, immigration, transgender rights and rowdy town halls across the country. on the town halls, the white house is trying to minimize the anger saying they're not republican voters. they don't completely understand what they're complaining about and some are, quote, manufactured. here's white house press secretary sean spicer last hour. >> some people are clearly upset, but there is a bit of professional protester. it is not a representation a member's district or an incident. it is a loud group, small group of people disrupting something, in many cases, for media attention. just because they're loud doesn't necessarily mean there are many. people are truly worried about losing their coverage, they should be applauding the

president's actions for making sure we put a system in place. >> our team of correspondents and analysts are here to break it down. let's start with nbc's hallie jackson. she was inside that briefing room talking to sean spicer, asking him a couple questions. talk to me specifically about the town halls, though. donald trump tweeted they're liberal activists. what is the white house's official line? >> reporter: well, you just played it. sean spicer saying these protests may be loud but not many. you heard sean spicer say, hey, listen, we believe some of these folks showing up at republican town has around the country may be a little confused about what kind of coverage they actually have. so, the white house not -- not particularly concerned about these sort of grassroots energy of protests you are seeing at these town halls, which have become a big story with members out on recess, out on break this week. >> donald ump would always talk about how loud his

supporters were. how it was a silent majority, not so silent majority, and the democrats would dismiss it and say it's just a small group of people who are out -- who are louder than their numbers actually are. are they worried they might be wrong in describing these town halls and those that are angry in the same way? >> reporter: i don't think you've seen any public concern on that front, katy. i do think in conversations with folks, republicans on capitol hill not too far from where we are, there is some concern about the level of passion and engagement specifically when it comes to health care. there's a lot of issues we're hearing about at these town hauls. health care seems to be among the most -- the one that gets the people most fired up, let's say. i do think that there is -- there is concern. a lot of care given over on the hill as to how members of congress are, in fact, implementing the repeal and replace plan. which, by the way, the president said in a pool spray we were just at a couple minutes ago that some time by maybe

mid-march there would be that plan prior to tax reform. we're getting close to seeing exactly what the president and congress's plan will be. >> is it so warm out there, hallie, thaw don't need a jacket? >> reporter: i took it off right before this hit. it's so nice. it's patio drinking weather. good news in d.c. >> fantastic. lucky dog. hallie jackson, thank you so much. let's go to msnbc chief legal koerngts ari melber and msnbc contributor charlie sykes who joins me on set. in washington news room we have democratic strategist steve mcmahon. charlie, let's start with you. there were cops in riot gear outside mitch mcconnell's luncheon today. so far the gathering of voters have been completely peaceful, but they're super angry. let's take a listen to some of what mitch mcconnell has been facing. >> the problem is obamacare is just l.a.x. >> veterans should have good health care.

in fact, senator, we should all have good health care. >> i'm wondering if you will support an independent commission to investigate president trump and -- [ applause ] >> when you tell me that you're going to take care of me when i come home, no matter what my injury, you have failed, sir. >> 22 a day kill themselves. >> so, not mitch mcconnell but a number of other lawmakers facing angry town halls. when the democrats saw the tea party spring up they downplayed it and now they don't control any part of the white house or congress. do republicans risk doing the same thing? >> yeah, very much so and it will be the same thing. a couple things, republicans are starting to pay the price for slow walking the replace and repeal of obamacare. we were told it would happen almost instantaneously. as a result, we don't know what the alternative is.

all we know is you're about to change what people have right now, but they aren't able to answer the question, what's going to come in its place. will we be taking away health care from people? so, they have actually put themselves in many ways in the worst of all possible worlds. also the numbers, if they're obsessed about the number of people showing up, they should be obsessed about what's happening with the polls. obamacare has always been very, very unpopular but it's starting to creep up now because of this question mark. >> are these democratic voters going to these town halls or republican voters? the white house is saying these are not the constituents of these representatives. >> well, they are the constituents. they are clearly voters, citizens, and representatives who show up should liven to them, stay late, answer all of their questions. these are obviously democrats, but that doesn't mean they're not legitimate or they don't have real concerns. >> let's go to steve. steve, i mentioned that mitch mcconnell sound a moment ago. let's play it now and react afterwards. >> so my hats off to the protesters. they have every right to express

themselves. sorry they lost the election. and i can understand that. i've been on the losing side of a number of presidential elections. and it's really disappointing. >> steve, are these sore losers? >> they may be sorry they lost the election but that sort of misses the point. i think they're most sorry about they see a program a lot of them in kentucky, and they've got a lot of people on obamacare. they call it kynet but it's obamacare. they're beginning to understand the republicans are talking about a repeal with no replacement. and they understand that what that means for them is that they're going to lose their heal insurance. you know, it's absolutely true, and charlie said it earlier, these -- some of these people may be democratic voters and democratic protesters, but a lot of them are swing voters. the people that made the difference, in the states he won that made the difference for his ultimate victory. and they're speaking not only for themselves but for others like them. and i would be very concerned if

i were an elected official facing those crowds. >> donald trump ran on repealing obamacare. >> but he ran on replacing it with someone. the problem for republicans, as charlie point out, they can talk about repealing it, but they don't have any idea what they're going to replace it with. they can't describe what it looks like. they can't describe the features. people understand what they're taking away but nobody understands what they're getting in return. a lot of people are understanding it may be nothing. >> it's like love. it's hard to put into words. >> ari melber. let's talk about immigration, not love. >> whatever you wanted. >> immigration. the white house says they are not planning on doing mass deportations but are they essentially laying the groundwork for mass deportations? >> possibly not. i think there's a lot of rhetoric here. let's put up the facts. there's more deportation authority in these two memoranda from dhs. there are 15,000 agents 37 keeping daca for now. the trump administration says that's a big deal. and finally local police help.

this is using local authorities to be a part of immigration enforcement. that's controversial. some want it, some don't. the other slide i want to put up on the screen is all about the wall. this hasn't gotten as much attention today but these memos say we're going to build a border wall and quantify u.s. aid to mexico. why? it doesn't say in the memo. we've heard a lot about leverage points for getting mexican payments for the wall. >> sounds like it's going to cost a lot, charlie. >> it's going to cost a lot of money. once again, republicans don't have any answers. i find it fascinating with all the things they're doing is leaving daca in point. this was a huge flash point for conservatives when president obama made that presidential decr decree. if you would have gotten odds about what would donald trump do at this point, i don't think manyeople would have put a lot of money one uld keep daca. >> word on the street is ivanka and jared were getting in his ear making sure daca did not go, making sure he kept it.

there is some debate within the white house whether or not that is a good plan of action, but so far you can see that if that is the case, if ivanka and jared did get in his ear, so far that is working. ari, let's also talk about the white house revising its travel p ban. they say it will look different, be able to get around the court, but according to stephen miller, the intentions are the same. >> fundamentally you're still going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country, but you'll be responsive to a lot of technical issues that were brought up by the court. those will be addressed. in terms of protecting the country, those -- those basic policies are still going to be in effect. >> the same, basic policies will be in effect. how does that make it so that they can get around the courts but essentially just do the same thing? >> it makes it bad for them. stephen miller is not helping the lawyers of the justice department. he is giving ammunition to the other side because whether you think the original ban was a good idea or not, one thing we

all know is that it was blocked by judges for what was in it. and now you have the white house saying, we have a new ban and it's just like the old ban. so. first argument from the aclu when they walk into court is, judge, you blocked this ban for these reasons. the white house itself, the chief adviser in charge of this policy says it's basically the same, so you should block the new ban. now, we have to see what's in it. it's possible there will be changes that matter. for example, if they change the green card part, that removes a class of people who would have been plaintiffs. the key case out of seattle that blocked thcurrent old ban, the way stephen miller is talking is a gift to the aclu. >> maybe don't do tv if you're talking about these sorts of things. >> there's two options. you could not do tv or you could know what you're talking about before you go on tv. >> do they not realize how creepy miller is? just a footnote. >> i'm leaving that with you.

>> i'm just saying he's uninformed. >> the orbit of news was transgender rights. the white house talking about sending that back to the states. take a listen to how sean spicer put it. >> reporter: the issue of transgender bathrooms wasn't one we heard a lot about from the president at the campaign. he said caitlyn jenner could use whatever bathroom she wanted at trump tower. why is this a priority 40 days into office? >> it's not a priority. let me answer the question. there's a case pending in the supreme court in which we have to decide whether or not to issue guidance to the court. it's not -- it's dictated by that. the obama administration issued joint guidance from the department of education and the department of justice. we now have to decide whether or not this administration wants to continue that track that they were on. >> so, steve, the human rights campaign has already come out and panned this saying, what could possibly motivate a blind and cruel attack on young children like this? is it going to be a rallying point for democrats?

>> i think the gentle attitude of this administration toward those people who are different than the white males who occupy it is something that's of concern for a lot of democrats and for a lot of groups. not just the human rights campaign fund. i mean, the administration is choosing to make this a priority. they're going to issue these guidelines. they've already said there's going to be additional guidance later today. and this is not a fight that, frankly, they needed to pick right now. it's interesting, inside the administration apparently there was great disagreement with jeff sessions saying we're going to issue this guidance. we're going to not protect these transgender students. and betty devos, to her credit, saying, you know what, they deserve protection. and we should protect them. apparently donald trump had to asket devos to stand down or resign. she chose to stand down and keep her job rather than stand up for what she believed in. i think it's just another tale of this administration. >> charlie, comment on that. >> that's fascinating that leaked out, by the way. in this particular case, look, the obama rule was an overreach

by the federal government. this returns the decision to state governments and to local governments. >> why is this an overreach? this essentially is a civil rights issue? >> part of the problem is you want to go back to the election. one of the things i saw a lot of trump voters in ohio, michigan, wisconsin, they're concerned about the economy and jobs and they hear democrats talking about transgender bathrooms. however you feel about the issue, that was symbolic of the disconnect between the democrats and administration and what a lot of the voters in the country, but in this particular case, donald trump really -- you know, this is something for the christian right, evangelicals who went to the mat for him. he had to deliver on this particular issue. >> this is an equal rilts issue, a civil rights issue. a lot of folks who would like to choose a bathroom they feel comfortable in. ari melber, charlie sykes, steve mcmahon. we're keeping an eye on st. louis where the vice president is touring a construction equipment company. he sat down to talk with plant

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obviously, there have been tensions between the mexican president and president trump. is this a clean-up job for the

secretary? >> no. i think that president piento and president trump spoke. i would argue that we have a very healthy and robust relationship with the mexican government and mexican officials. >> that was sean spicer moments ago at the white house press briefing. our own hallie jackson was asking about the trip. secretary of state rex tillerson and homeland security secretary john kelly will be having later today in mexico city. they'll arrive this evening for talks with the mexican president. meanwhile, house speaker paul ryan is checking out the border with horseback border patrol agents. he's on horseback as well. it is his first public visit to the u.s./mexico border. the trip comes as the trump administration is implementing sweeping new immigration guidelines to arrest and deport undocumented immigrants here in the u.s. nbc's kerry sanders is in mexico city where we'll see secretaries tillerson and kelly later today. kerry, there is no use in

pretending things are going great between mexico and the u.s. so, how big a lift is this going to be for the secretaries? >> reporter: well, i have a feeling that what this is going to be is more of anything just a symbolic visit by the secretary of state and secretary of department of home atlanta security here because, let's face, it the president here, piento canceled his visit to the united states. now it's representatives of the united states coming here to mexican soil to talk to the government here. but it does not appear that there is any stepping back from building the wall. as you know, the department of homeland security will be picking up efforts on deportation. one of the biggest concerns here in mexico is that the united states will not only be deporting people who are undocumented mexicans in the united states but just undocumented central americans which could mean folks from el salvador, guatemala, honduras, and dumping them on the border

and making that mexico's problem. so, there's going to be a lot of discussion back and forth on this. whether there's going to be any sort of announcement or solution, i'd be surprised, katy. >> kerry sanders live in mexico city, thank you so much. joining me is former u.s. ambassador to mexico, carlos pasqual. thank you for joining us. we heard kerry sanders talk about how this would be a symbolic meeting, showing u.s. is willing to work with mexico. what is mexico hoping to get out of this? >> thanks. it is symbolic but it's more than that. you have a situation where two presidents on a matter of principle, one says we will build the wall and mexico will pay for it. the other says no way will that happen. neither issue will change in the months ahead. when you have two presidents taking diametrically opposite positions like that, you need to find a way to rebuild the relationship. so what tillerson and kelly need

to do here is start a foundation for dialogue. but too much is at stake in terms of commercial issues, migration issues, security issues. and what mexico's really hoping to do in these discussions is to create a greater and a clearer understanding of how that dialogue can take place. first of all. secondly, can there be a freeze on acting unilaterally by one individual side? because if the two sides begin to act unilaterally and create new realities, that's going to make any negotiation much more coup cumbersome to undertake? >> can they start a dialogue if they're not on the same page as the president publicly? >> that's going to be one of the big challenges. they have three sets of issues to deal with. all of the commercial issues that are involved related to trade, the migration issues and the security issues. each one of those sets of issues has a huge set of complicated questions that need to be developed and further

negotiated. there's a huge amount at stake on the part of both sides. and i think sometimes in the united states it's not recognized that mexico is the second largest destination for american exports. more than china, germany and japan combined. if the united states starts taking unilateral action towards mexico, if mexico retaliates in some way, that affects the second largest destination of american exports. that's going to have a huge impact on jobs and businesses all or the united states, principally texasnd in the midwest. and so what's going to happen now is both sides are going to begin putting some of their cards on the table, explaining what kind of leverage they have over one another. and why in that kind of context they need to have a structured dialogue and that this simply cannot be addressed by unilateral actions on the part of one side or the other. >> former ambassador carlos pasquel that diplomacy is complicated. thank you. joining me from cleveland, david leopold from association

of immigration lawyers. talk to me about the feeling here at home among those who are worried about deportation. >> look, i think what we have here is a policy of panic. they have put forth this deportation force, talking about hiring, what, 10,000 i.c.e. agents, 5,000 border patrol agents, 500 air and marine people. what they're really trying to do is scare immigrants out of the country. this is about creating panic in the communities. this is about instilling fear in people who have been here for such a long time, contributed to the communities, contributed to the fabric of our society, the immigrants, and it's, frankly, unconscionable. donald trump the first month in office has taken a wrecking ball to the statue of liberty. >> david s there a clear idea of who will be the priority now or is it everybody that's come to this country illegally? >> the priority, katy, is fear.

in answer to your question specifically, these two memos make it very clear that there are no priorities. they're just as likely to go after a grandmother who's gotten a parking ticket as they are to go after somebody who's committed a serious crime like murder. you know, i've been doing this a while. and i have not gotten phone calls like the kinds i'm getting. for example, from people who are u.s. citizens, katy, who are terrified that because they may have a passport from another country or because a spouse, a wife or a husband is foreign, whether or not they've got status in the united states, they're terrified their family will be torn apart by donald trump and his deportation force. i think the panic, the fear that's out there is palpable, i think it's intentional, when you have people like stephen miller, who has the audacity to go on television and tell everybody that the president is above the law, that he's not reviewable, that it's absolute.

this is not who we are as a country, katy. we can do much better and we are much better than this. >> this new push not only involves hiring more i.c.e. agents but empowering local law agents, 7,000 cops around this country, to help ithe deportation effort. what does that mean? >> you know, i was listening on your air to bill bratton out of boston. talk to the people who know about law enforcement. they don't like it. they don't like local law enforcement having to become immigration collaborators and agents. the reason is simple. the reason is because local law enforcement depends on community trust. let me give you an example. so, if you have a woman who's undocumented, who's beaten by her husband, and she is afraid to call the police because she's afraid that she's going to be deported, that puts her in an untenable position of enduring the beating because she's afraid if she turns in her husband, if she goes to a shelter and she

seeks -- and she seeks refuge there, that she's going to be deported or the man who witnesses a crime, a burglary across the street, the man is undocumented, he witnesses a crime, he's going to be that much less able or willing to go to the police and say, here, i saw this crime. i'm a witness. and just because people don't have documents in this country doesn't mean, katy, they don't have the right to ultimately be here. we have people who were trafficked into this country illegally. we have people without documents who are victims of crime. and so to make this as simplistic, you know, we're going to just deport all undocumented people, which is what they're doing. everybody is a priority. it's unconscionable and un-american. >> david leopold, thank you for joining us. we want to go to live pictures from st. louis, missouri. this is vice president mike pence, can you see him there behind those gentlemen, he's touring a cat factory for

construction equipment down there in st. louis. a fabric cat factory, which is a term for construction equipment. forgive me, i'm not so familiar with because i don't work in construction. but this is part of the effort of the trump administration to talk about americanjobs, talk about american manufacturing and how they can make sure companies like this thrive in this new administration. it's part of their big push. it's also part of the reason why donald trump himself was elected. this idea that he would create jobs, jobs, jobs. stay with us. we'll have much more after the break. boost it's about moving forward not back. it's looking up

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to a look at today's top five headlines. last hour at the white house, press secretary sean spicer was questioned by reporters on the president's transgender legislation. >> why is this now a priority for the administration 40 days into office? >> it's not a priority. i think it's a case -- hold on. let me answer the question. it's not a prioty. there's a case pending in the preme court in which we have to decide whether or not to continue to issue guidance to the court. it is not -- it's dictated by that. the obama administration had issued joint guidance from department of education and department of justice. we now have to decide whether or not this administration wants to continue that track they were on. it's plain and simple. >> after months without a chairman, democrats will vote for their new party leader this weekend. the president tweeted about top contender congressman keith ellison, quote, he predicted early i would win. thousands are have been forced from their homes with rising floodwaters.

it has closed the 101 freeway. officials say it's the worst flooding they've seen in 100 years. also in kalt cacalifornia, out this video. it shows moments before harrison ford's botched landing. it nearly collided with an american airlines commercial airline. thankfully no one was hurt. in st. louis, a muslim community is raising money to restore an historic cemetery that was hit by vandals. they have already gained $20,000. protesters in dakota access pipeline have minutes to make a simple choice -- go home or go to jail. the army corps of engineers has ordered them to leave their camp in north dakota by 3:00 p.m. eastern time or face arrest. as that deadline approaches, some protesters have begun setting fires in what they tell us is a ceremonial act. one protester told us they will be peaceful but they will not leave quietly.

>> resist in a way but it's passive resistance. anyone familiar with passive resistan will understand. we will not threaten orndanger those law enforcement official who is areoing their jobs. you know, they will go home to their families unhurt, you know, that's -- that's not what we're about. >> msnbc's senior editor kal ca perry has been covering the protests. he has the latest. >> reporter: that deadline quickly approaching. can you see out of frustration some campers have lit the structures on fires. they tell authorities they're ceremonial burns. the reality is this is the time we're seeing venting of frustration from protesters, some of whom have been here for six months protesting the pipeline. authorities will bring a few buses up here behind the national guard and they say that up until 2:00 p.m. my time, 3:00 p.m. eastern, they'll give protesters a choice. they can get on a bus to

bismarck or processed out of bismarck back to wherever they came from. the governor's office saying they'll provide bus tickets for those leaving voluntarily. after 2:00 p.m. authorities say those remaining will be subject to arrest and fine. officials are planning for the national guard to come down this road and start clearing the camp. katy? >> senior editor cal perry in north dakota. no r & r for gop lawmakers back home on recess. they're getting an earful from constituents. can they give voters and the white house what they want. >> i'm a muslim. who's going to save me here? who is going to stand behind me and say to them that this guy -- >> how can you justify building a wall? ♪

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apparently during this congressional recess, a number of similar expression of frustration over the outcome of the election. that's really at the core what this is about. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell on his home turf in kentucky today, addressing why he thinks we're seeing those rowdy town halls across the country. just outside, hundreds of people were making their presence known as a new recess reality sets in for the gop. this is what they're going to see on their breaks all week. members. house ansenate are getting pummelled by constituents at home. this is what voters told

mcconnell yesterday. >> we absolutely don't repeal obamacare. improve it, for god's sake. >> i feel like we all took this oath to defend the nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. i wonder if you knew, if you saw that there was overwhelming evidence that a foreign country was meddling in our elections, meddling with our democracy? >> i want to thank you for 30 years of public service. but you have to acknowledge that we got too many people on food stamps on kentucky. last i heard, we're the leader. and that is not where we want to be the leader. >> that is now, but this was then. 2009, to be exact, a series of protests across the country by a grassroots group of conservative voters known as, you guessed, it the tea party. it culminated on a march in

washington. including health care reform. many democrats at the time thought it was an orchestrated and paid movement. now, like deja vu all over again, the president is tweeting this. the so-called angry crowds in home districts of some republicans are actually, in numerous cases, planned out by liberal activists. sad, exclamation point. joining me now, nbc's ron hilliard on the road to another town hall tonight. he's in lamar, missouri. david brody, senior national correspondent for the christian broadcasting network. talk to me about the frustration you are seeing at these town halls and are these paid operatives? >> reporter: hi, katy, i'm on the way to bentonville, arkansas. left iowa where i went to two of chuck gradually's town halls yesterday. if you take trump at his word, liberal activists. it depends on what he means by that. in these particular areas, in

garner, iowa, where chuck grassley held his town halls yesterday, these are republican districts. donald trump won by two to one margin. these are republican districts but that doesn't mean democrats and independents are there. these are activists, farmers. i spoke to chris peterson, who we have a sound bite from. he's a pig farmer from clear water 45 minutes away. >> they're going to need them through the years. you're the man that talked about the death panel. we're going to create one great big death panel in this country that people can't afford to get insurance. >> reporter: you mentioned how chuck grassley years ago also met crowds. those were republican voerts. here overwhelmingly independent. the issue for him now is republicans in congress have sent these guys, tom cotton,

joni ernst to their districts without a clear agenda. chuck grassley said yesterday there are three or four replacement plans in the work. while people like the farmer were expressing their dismay, chuck grassley took the question, where you compare it to marco rubio, where an event in tampa where activists are holding an empty chair town hall because he's not there. it's a contrast between these two places. >> are these lawmakers going to take this message back to washington or just going to try to sweep it under the rug? >> reporter: chuck grassley, we asked him afterwards. he said what he's taking and listening to, he understands these are democrats and independents and he's taking in people are disgruntled about being on your parents' health care plan until 26, having pre-existing conditions. he said those are the issues, i hear the voices and we'll make sure those get through in this potential replacement plan. >> you've been traveling the country. talk to me about what trump supporters are hearing right

now. are they hearing any of the noise in washington or noise coming out of this administration with the various controversies or are they just seeing what the trump administration wants them to see, which is job creation? or the looks of job creation. >> reporter: exactly. i just stopped about 15 miles down the road and talked to a couple trump voters. they said, number one, they believe these town halls are, in their words, childish. they said trump won the election. give him a chance. let him breathe. he's only been in this job for a month. barack obama had eight years. i was talking to them in iowa and they were obama voters. they said, change takes time. give him a chance. they said right now it's executive orders. until congress gets a chance to work with the president and finding a replacement plan, for instance, on health care, it's too early to judge the president until then. >> you just heard vaughn say, change takes time. let's compare to what we saw in 2009 with the tea party. they came out early, they came

out loud. are republicans running a risk of maybe trying to minimize this sort of anger they're seeing at town halls? david? >> yeah, katy. look, they can't minimize it. look, there are folks out there that are clearly frustrated. at the same time, there are liberal activists organizing a lot of this. i say a lot. what's the percentage? it really doesn't matter what the percentage is at this point. the point is that republicans are hearing an earful and are getting an earful from many of those constituents. they've got to figure out how to maneuver the political landscape in front of them. when you don't have a tax reform plan, forget even in place, but out there to begin with and you don't have anything with obamacare ite yet and a few other things, the budget, you're going to get these type of town halls. so, it's really upon -- it's really the republicans that need to kind of get in action here and start moving and maybe some of this will dissipate. >> give us -- david, give us a

reality check. it's only been a month. then again, the trump campaign did campaign on this. republicans have been talking about wanting to repeal obamacare for so long. should they have already had a plan in place? >> well, i think there's, no doubt, frustration in republican circles about this. i'm sure the president and the white house wanted to see something maybe a little faster. i mean, we've even talked publicly about it being faster and it didn't happen. yeah, i think there's some frustration there. at the same time, look, i think eventually the issue here, katy, is the staying power of what we're seeing right now. how will this be in a year? a year and a half? ledding up to the midterm elections. the tea party started in 2007-2008 and then in 2010, boom, they were on the scene and made a big splash. will these same folks make a big splash in 2018? i think that remains to be seen. >> is there a sense within the republican party, david, that maybe dismantling obamacare was a little more complicated than they had anticipated? >> i think so.

i think that's part of it. i think the other part of it is, too, you have a lot of different faxes up on capitol hill. as know, katy, you've got everything from the tea party -- i say the tea party folks. i'm talking about the rand pauls of the world and ted cruz of the world, and then the establishment republicans and moderates. you've got so many different faxes up there, therefore, you have a lot of different ideas. oh, by the way, president trump finding out there's something call co--equal branches of government, i say it facetiously but it's one of the toughest things he'll have to deal with as president. he also has a lot of political enemies, some democrats, yes, some republicans, and, by the way, another enemy of donald trump is political correctness. he is not politically correct. and i think that's one of the things that he's going to have to battle through these next four years. >> so far our latest polling says 73% of people in this country are angry or dissatisfied about how the government works. and they would like to see lawmakers be a little more willing to compromise. we'll see if that happens.

nbc's vaughn hillyard, thank you. david broad y thank you for joining me. next up, the high price of protecting the president. in one month alone, trump's travel has cost taxpayers what obama averaged, wait for it, each year in office. is it time for trump to cut back on his weekend trips to mar-a-lago? first, and this is so cool, i'm really excited to talk about it, the big news last hour from nasa about the discovery of exoplanets beyond our solar system. seven of the earth-like planets could have water, which means we could potentially live on them. it's part of our microsoft pulse question. do you believe there is life on other planets? here's what you're saying. 95% of you say yes. we got a lot of sci-fi nerds. we could potentially have that. keep voting. we'll be right back. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count.

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toppled at a jewish grave. speaking just yesterday, president trump called this a horrible and painful act, and so it was. that along with other recent threats to jewish community centers around the country, a sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil. we condemn this vile act of vandalism and those pro perpetrated it in the strongest possible terms. >> vp mike pence trying to make it clear that this administration does not condone any sort of hate or violence of any kind against another minority group. meanwhile, let's talk about the cost of what donald trump is doing personally, at least. he started his second month in office and already the cost to protect him and his family are skyrocketing, according to reports that break down the cost of protecting the president and his family. just one month in, the price tag

for president trump's travel is averaging the cost of a whole year of protecting president obama. msnbc's ali velshi is here with me in new york to break down the numbers. ali. >> look, everything gets more expensive. in this particular case, the president has insisted in living in a few different places and that's costing a lot of money. let me run down some of these numbers for you. right now the president has had three trips to mar-a-lago. he's gone there the past three weekends. the white house is not disclosing the exact cost of these visits but "the washington post" estimated, based on other figures used in an october government report that it's $10 million for these three trips. now, that is for travel, for secret service, for police surrounding the estate, coast guard in the surrounding waters. that's $10 million in a month. that's a little less than what president obama spent in a year. judicial watch estimated that president obama racked up about $97 million in travel costs in his entire eight years of office. now, you might remember this, katy, when president obama took

travel, donald trump would tweet, this was in 2012, president barack obama's vacation is cost taxpayers millions of dollars. unbelievable. at least he's consistent with using the exclamation point. the president of judicial watch has come out and said, this is an expensive way to conduct business. he doesn't need to go to florida every weekend. he can work at the white house or up at camp david. as you know, camp david is a secure facility so you don't need all that extra stuff. to give you a sense of what this is all about, $180,000 an hour to operate. i fly a little plane and it's expensive. >> the jet fuel. >> fuel and people and pilots and staff on this thing. >> security. >> $180,000 an hour. president trump took this to a campaign-style rally, as you know, on saturday. when president obama did the same thing in 2016 during the campaign, working for hillary clinton, donald trump tweeted, looking at air force one at mia, miami international airport, why

is he campaigning instead of campaigning and fixing jobs. get back to work for the american people. >> it's remarkable that twitter is there and stays there. >> there are a lot of advantages to talking to the american people on twitter. this is one of the disadvantages. we can keep pulling up tweets and item you how he had exactly the opposite position. >> what about protecting his family? >> he has a grown family and they're entitled to secret service. >> and he has a big family. >> this isn't on here. just new york city where melania trump, the first lady lives with their son, cost new york city $500,000 per day to protect. between election day and inauguration day, the city spent $35 million to protect trump tower. you spen lot of time in front of it. when mayor bill de blio asked congress for reimbursement, congress gave them $7 million. chuck schumer urged the president to relieve new york city of the financial pressure. there's been no response from the white house. then, of course, there are the

trump children, eric trump, don jr. were in united arab emirates attending the opening of a trump brand golf course. secret service there. the trump family is costing taxpayers a lot of money. >> and costing a lot to protect trump tower in new york city, which is basically a barricaded zone. week five of donald trump's presidency. tonight a look back at the month that was. be sure to catch our live two-hour special hosted by brian williams, rachel maddow and chris matthews. "trump the first month" airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. an express open cn help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next.

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back with the big news last hour from nasa, about the discovery of exoplanets beyond our solar system. seven of the earth-like planets could have water, bringing the possibility of life. it's a focus of our microsoft pulse question. do you believe there is life on planets other than earth? and 93% of you say yes. thank you for voting. that wraps things up for me this hour. i'm katy tur. jacob, do you to want take a flight to space? >> do you believe there are life other than earth? >> yes. >> let's go there. hello, i'm jacob soboroff in for kate this hour. here