no one else was able to do. and here we are, how many weeks in, and none of those robust things he was talk abouting did he actually go after in his first week or two. >> congressman tim ryan, democrat from ohio. we are out of time, but thanks for joining us. that'll do it for this hour. mtp daily starts right now. if it's wednesday, well town hall tension equal political trouble for the gop? tonight those angry town halls. are republicans making the same mistake democrats made in 2009? denying the real frustration and fear on the ground. >> people are clearly upset, but there is a bit of professional protester manufactured base in there. plus the kim dictator dynasty mystery. new details on the murder on the oldest son of north korea's ruling family. and brave new worlds.

it turns out there may be lots of planet earths out there. >> finding a second earth is not just a matter of if -- >> well, if anyone on earth two, three, or whatever is listening, we have some advice for you. this is mtp daily that starts right now. good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington and welcome to mtp daily. it's hard to beat something with nothing. and right now republicans across the country are feeling the burn from an energized and angry segment of the electorate. which is descending on gop town hams and these folks want answers. what's going to happen really on one issue specifically to their health care among other things. and right now republicans don't have any legislative details. or much in the way of answers. yet. >> senator, we should all have good health care. [ applause ]

[ chanting do your job ] >> improve it. for god sakes! >> ever since the election, i have felt like a passenger in a car that's being driven by a drunk driver. >> the veterans are broken down, they're not getting what they need. >> what is effectively a death tax. yes, they do. >> the anxiety's real and people want real solutions and so we're going to have to pay attention to that, right? >> white house is dismissing these town hall fireworks as astroturf movements which means it's the opposite of a true grass roots movement. and i remember when the left argued that some eight years ago. anyway, here's sean spicer today. >> when you look at some of these districts and some of these things, it is, it is not a representation of a member's district. or an incident. it is a loud group, small group

of people disrupting something in many cases for media attention, no offense. it's just -- i think that's -- that necessarily just because they're loud doesn't necessarily mean there are many. >> spicer's message echoed what present trump tweetd last night. so the called ary crowds in some republicans are actually in numerous cases planned out by liberal activists. sad. but underneath those dismissals lies an urgency inside the white house to figure this out. and quickly. today at the white house, president trump said he'd be submitting, quote, something on health care next month. which he assured, quote, people will be very impressed by. folks, some of these town halls are clearly organized, but regardless, there are potential warning signs that republicans perhaps shouldn't ignore. we heard democrats dismiss this anger at their town halls back it 2009 as oh, that's right, astroturf movements, and they lost the house in a big way. to break it down, here are the four buckets that republicans right now are falling into.

some are probably safe, others not so much. >> whom we saw in that clip up top. you probably don't have much to worry about which is why you can get away with talking about death panels. if you're in a republican district that is leery of president trump, congressman brad of virginia who was in that clip. trump didn't in his district. then you might feel more exposed which is perhaps why we heard him heed some of those warnings. of course if you're in a swing district, this town hall tension has to worry you. which is why we haven't seen many republicans from swing districts actually hold these kinds of town halls. and then of course if it you're a senator from say, oh iowa, we saw moments from town halls hosted by both iowa senators in that montage of clips. you always have to worry about this stuff because you can't gerrymander an entire state. so the big question, will these town halls translate into votes and how serious should they take them? joined by republican pollster and strategist glenn, public

opinion strategies which is the republican side of our bipartisan nbc wall street journal polling team. let's take a look at the issue of health care, glenn. in general, we've seen, and that was always the warning sign to republicans. ian when you have a majority of oppose percent. >> there were 40% plus that supported. and there are people who are helped by it. there are also people hurt by it. and you have to understand it, once you give people something, it's a much harder to take it away than it is to not give it to them in the first place. >> we put up this graphic here as we've seen as the affordable care act, good idea, bad idea, this is from the poll. and it has been -- you see there, and for the first time.

in our polling, in early january, late december, good idea overtook bad idea for the first time. now part of it is my executive producer likes to say, it's the first time democrats have made a positive argument in a long time for it, instead of them being defensive about it. but what should the dave brats, darrell issa, swing districts, how should they look at this? >> they should not look at the protests and say that's just a tro turf, it's not, people don't get this worked up over something just because they get an e-mail -- >> you can organize one town hall, maybe two, when you're seeing it this way -- >> right. it's very similar to 2009. you know, now what they do with it, by the way, sean spicer is not representative of the district, but same tim it doesn't matter. history is grabbing us republicans by the lapels and saying you have to learn from 2009. and one of the lessons is, the

democrats took their base for granted in twen. they just assumed that because they had this wonderful turnout operation in 2008, the same thing would happen in '10. and you can make up in turnout what you lose on message, but we have got to communicate with our base and get our base just as activated as they were and just as activated as the democrats are now. >> it seems that if i were a lawmaker right now facing these questions about health care, i don't have anything to tell them about. that is something that a lot of voters believe that these politicians would have had by now. the fact that they don't shakes kafs little bit. even among the base. >> is there -- look, obviously the more this is out there, the more you're going to have -- i mean, i don't know what you thought about the buckets that

we created there. you're going to have a republican conference divided into three, someone who we're going -- they need to repeal because they're the primary voters expected repeal, then you're going to have the swing districts ones going i'd like to repair, not repeal. if they won in 2016 when she was winning the district, they have their own political strengths, but at the same time, there is a lot at risk and we have to handle this in a very smart fashion. at the same time, we can't do nothing. we have to repeal and replace obamacare. >> how important is tuesday messaging wise for all of these republicans on the front lines? these elected republicans to hear from the president something a little more concrete on health care? nobody's expecting the full plan, but does he have to have

something that's more than just it's going to be a great plan, trust me? >> yeah, there has to be here are the outlines of what the plan is going to accomplish and do for the american people. here's how it's going to stop hurting small businesses like it is right now. here's how it's going to be affordable unlike it is to a lot of people right now in terms of the premiums and all of that. >> i remember democrats, the white house thought, they're going to get this passed by july, maybe august. right. that was their whole goal. get it done, maybe if you had to finish it in september. it took them to the election year itself in march before they got it done, and that was a bad special and all of this stuff. what is your nightmare. not having the replacement before the end of the calendar year, this summer, what are you thinking has to happen?

once we pass obamacare, it'll be popular. once it goes into effect, it's going to be popular. and it never became popular. even now -- >> taking it away before you start getting some of that. >> and even that's not like -- 45% is not overwhelming support. it just has plurality support. we can't just do this and say okay, check that off the list -- >> and walk away. >> move on to the next thing. always got to go out there and make sure those who supported repeal from the get go say yes, this is a good thing and i'm glad they did that. they kept their promise. >> and you don't think timing matters here? like how long it takes? >> no. obviously the problem with it taking too long -- first of all, the more important thing is to get it right. secondly, you know, if you take too long, yes, it can be a problem because it also bogs you down on other things as well. >> all right. i'm going to leave it there. good to see you, sir. thanks for coming in. the white house is dismissing the townalls as result of professional

protesters. well that's exactly how president obama team's and democrats dismissed the 2009 town halls and tea party protests. in fact, take a listen. >> is it your contention, is the white house contention that the anger that some members of congress are experiencing at town hall meetings, especially over health care reform is manufactured? >> i think some of it is, yes. in fact, i think you've had groups today, conservatives for patients rights that bragged about organizing and manufacturing that anger. >> i don't believe that some of the angryist, most strident voices we saw during the summer were representative of the thousands of town hall meetings that went on around the country that came off peacefully, that were constructed, people voicing their points of view. >> this initiative is funded by the high end, we call it astroturf, it's not really a grass roots movement, it's astroturf by some of the wealthiest groups in america. >> that just speaks for itself,

doesn't it here? let's bring back the panel. he's in town this week doing some ag policy work because he's of course an editor at agricultural policy editor with dtn. welcome back to washington. >> thanks for having me. >> how about that? there was a mustache on axelrod, there was less gray hair on tapper and i, other than that, it sounds like deja vu all over it again. >> it does, axelrod and robert gibbs, they weren't lying, but it's not mutually exclusive, that can be astroturf and activists and voters can be genuinely angry. i think that was true in 2008, 2009, and it's true now. i think this white house just as the obama white house had to is going to have to reckon with the real anger with voters en if some of that anger is pushed to

the front pages to the news by democratic activists organizations. >> i agree wholeheartedly, it is like deja vu all over again. i remember sitting in meetings between march and june, looking at what was unfolding in 2009, and asking the question, what do we do with this? what does it mean? and i came to the conclusion, using two words, understanding what they meant to the voters. one was cooperation, the one was do option, and nas a path you have to take as a party. you can co-op or corporation, do option is not an option. if you go down that road, you're going to lose every time. >> chris, i remember the last time you were here, he says hey, many of the people in iowa that

didn't like obamacare didn't like the cost, but they liked it. i love there was the one guy at town hall said just repair it. make it better. what do you see the difference between '09 and today -- >> that guy's a farmer i know who was raising that point. the big difference now is, you know, and what isn't talked about actually with obamacare is the risks to hospitals. you know, we always talk about the insurance side of it, the hospitals right now, you know, rural hospitals, we've lost about 80 of them since twen, 2011, and what -- what has been lost has been the hospitals and the states that did not increase their medicaid expansion. and now, you've got about nearly 700 rural hospitals that are tremendously at risk if you make major changes to medicare and medicaid without, you know, making some protections for them. >> and this complicates the congressional republicans here. right, they're constituents. they're not on the same page

anymore. on everything on this health care issue. at least it doesn't look like they might be. >> the republican conservative policy wonks who i've talked to have stressed that disruption and fear of change, it's the same thing on tax reform, it's what has stymied reform in these areas. >> they're not wrong. fear of change is how you stop reform. left or right. >> and i think it's note worthy you know a majority of people opposed obamacare when it was passed i think for some of the same reasons that that fear of change that people are opposing, repeal now, and i think for a republicans, it's incumbent on them to communicate some of these complex policy issues because nobody i think in their republican conference or very few republican congressman, want to take away something that somebody has, but that's not, i think, how people who have been benefitted from obamacare are understanding the propose the changes. >> michael, one of the more interesting things that glenn said is i thought that was a

concern. once it's done, they'll walk away and stop selling it. because that's, to him, the lesson he took away. and by the way, i'm sorry, i do not picture the gop wanting, after as painful as this is, for the same reason the democrats. >> oh my god, this was awful. i thought we were done. moving on. >> he's probably not wrong. >> and that's the problem. the democrats allowed me to go out and nancy pelosi, all around that bad boy, and the same thing is being set up right now. if you let the other side define the argument you lose it and if you're going to make these types of changes and this is a real problem, we've had eight years, folks, iean obamacare kind of came up in 2009 and then all the sudden, you're in it in 2010, you have eight years to talk about a replacement or repair and if you don't show it right and do it right, it's a problem. >> chuck grassley, he was really moved by the town halls in '09,

and he literally moved his position. he basically said message received, i want to work with them, but i'm not going to. will these move him in another direction? >> well the problem is he just got reelected for six years. >> free. >> the town halls for him are five months too late. because he's already been reelected. and senator ernest in iowa, she doesn't come up for reelection in four years. there's plenty of time for them to deal with other issues and work this out. so, it's interesting, you know, there's a lot of passion on it, and frankly, i think part of it of the fact is you have democrats without any real leadership out there. they're looking for something, they're actually just venting out their frustration because they really have no power anywhere. >> right. >> in iowa, they don't control the legislature, they don't

control any of the congress any longer, so they're just venting essentially. >> and got to remember, iowa still basically a swing state that just has half the people right without a leader. >> all right. i'm going to pause it here. you'll come again. i promise. you guys are sticking with us for the hour. someone giving advice to democrats about how to keep the energy in the town halls going into the midterms and how to avoid the biggest mistake the clinton campaign made. and stay with msnbc tonight for trump the first month. brian williams, rachel maddow and chris matthews will host a live, two-hour special examining the first month of the trump presidency. that's tonight at 10:00 eastern right here on msnbc. we'll be right back. ♪ why do so many businesses rely on the u.s. postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. ♪

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welcome back to mtp daily and the last hour, vice president mike pence visited the st. louis area jewish cemetery. it was the victim of to acts of vandalism earlier this week.

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derangment syndrome and bush and obama derangement syndromes back in the first 16 years of this century. and now we might be seeing trump derangement syndrome? they're going to let you know no matter what. they're showing up at town hall meetings and holding demonstrations of the trump presidency. democratic lawmakers are still trying to figure o how to capitalize on this new wave of leftist anger if y want to call it that. so a democratic strategy firm is trying to help them out. they did a new poll from global strategy group and did a poll of base democrats and swing voting democrats trying to determine how to best harness this energy. maybe more importantly, how to message it. essentially, how do you go after trump to have a real shot of taking back control? democrats will need to energize not only the base, but pick upswing voters who could be

turned off from president trump. and this new poll tested how to do just that. and what they found is that it's about people not politicians, how do the president's policies impact me and my family. it seems simple, but it is the opposite of what hillary clinton did in 2016 when it was all about character, character, character, and all about trump, the individual. joining me now is jeffrey pohlic, founder and president of global strategy group. the democratic research firm behind this new survey. nice to see you, sir. >> thank you, chuck. >> so it was interesting, you had some different ways to do it. let's do the baseline here. is the intensity of different issues, the idea of what concerns you most about -- and we'll go here on trump's temperment, the reckless approach could lead to war. that resinated with swing voters here.

it's a consistent gap between the base almost views anything as evil doing -- >> that's right. >> swing voters, obviously a bit more tempered. >> but what they are worried about is recklessness. they are worried, there's a massive concern when you think about it and even your own poll has data from the nbc poll about sort of getting into war. this is a guy who's going to be reckless enough to get us into war. the thing that democratseed to remember when talking to swing voters and what we forget too often is, it has to be about them. and the them is the voters. too often we're talking about donald trump the person and he's going to profit and the mysteriousness of russia. like that's not what matters. what matters to the voters is how is this going to impact me? and war impacts me because the reckless policies could mean my sons and daughters going to war.

>> when you go after him as the person and you're trying to win over a swing voter. >> you forget the swing voter voted for that person. >> many of them, yes. you're insulting their own judgment when you're criticizing them in that way, right? >> now of course we know that now because they voted for him your vote didn't matter or you voted for this sort of nooengen pop. that's what he is. you have to make it relevant to the voter in terms what have they care about. tax policy for example, i know that democratic colleagues are going to want to go nuts about tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires. that's the wrong language. we need to talk about the fact that those tax cuts means the burden will be shifted. >> it's interesting. let me put that up. . that's the wording you used. first you did it on this, how do you frame tax policy? concern the gop tax policy? burn the middle class or concern the gop tax policy cuts takes

the cuts taxes for millionaires and billionaires, it was a much more resinating message when you talked about the middle class. >> that's right. and look the swing voters and base voters are identical, right? you talked about that gap on those other things. this is a place where there isn't a real gap on these things. and so tax policies is a place where for example we have to talk about that. don't talk about millionaires and billionaires. look, the same thing relates to his conflicts of interest. we all want to talk about this guy, he's got conflicts of interest, he's going to make lots of money. again, that's the wrong thing. it's how do those conflicts of interest then relate to me as a human being. what's the impact that it's going to be? so that -- those conflicts of interest could threaten my national security or those conflicts of interest mean that big businesses are going to tax breaks instead of me. >> let me put up number three and number four here. number three, you asked it this way, what concerns you about president trump. the foreign policy will be driven by his business. that upset swing voters here, more than it did base voters.

then this way could lead to corruption unlike anything we've ever sewn, sounds very trumpian. base voters loved that language. swing voters, not so much. >> well the other thing about swing voters that we know is hyperbole isn't working with them anymore. they like donald trump in terms of the things that he would say, speaking truth to power, but they don't like hyperbole things over the top. talk about their values, what matters to them. don't talk about his lavish lifestyle. don't talk about sort of money he can make. they don't care. they do care about what it means for them. >> russia. what concerns you more, dangerous alliance with russia. this was not moving that many voters. >> that's correct. >> 31% of dem base voters. 35% of swing voters. that surprise you? >> it does surprise me and the reason that we think -- and we don't know for sure, russia is not seen as the kind of evil that isis and some of the other sort of threats that americans feel sort of much more -- >> seen isis kill americans.

they don't think russia. >> and i think that's real. and that doesn't mean that that's going to be the case for the next year. particularly as we explore all of these sort of really crazy things that have gone on in terms of dealing with russia. it it may become more resonant, but i think that's why it is not resonant, as resonant today and again, bring it it back to the vote. not bigamis reduce things, what does it mean to me? >> why is it so many political parties don't learn that lesson. there was an obsession on the right to get clinton, obsession to get frankly look at liberals in the early '80s with reagan. they got so caught up in the personality that they couldn't see the forest. >> because it's easy for us to get caught up. by the way, having conversations with reporters is different than having a conversation with the voters. and the reporters of course are also much more interested as they rightfully in those characters based conversations. but when it comes to talking to the voters which we'll get to in the midterms and i think we're going to take advantage of. that's when we better focus this

language in the right way, chuck. >> we shall see. whole new dnc chair to pitch on this. apparently at the end of the week. jeff pohlic, democratic pollster, very interesting, survey, thanks for coming on the show. >> thank you. still ahead, international murder mystery. who's behind the branz daylight assassination of the half brother of north korea's dictator? stay tuned. there are over 47 million ford vehicles out here. that has everything to do with the people in here. their training is developed by the same company who designed, engineered, and built the cars. they've got the parts, tools, and know-how to help keep your ford running strong. 35,000 specialists all across america. no one knows your ford better than ford. and ford service. right now, get the works! a synthetic blend oil change, tire rotation, brake inspection and more -- for $29.95 or less.

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welcome back. the mystery behind the murder of the half brother of north korea's dictator keeps getting stranger. ten days ago in something out of a bad spy novel, kim jong nam was killed in kuala lumpur, malaysia. investigators there say they have two women in custody who allegedly poisoned him using needles, spray, or perhaps a

chemical soaked cloth. a family member of one of those female suspects said she thought she was on a pranked tv show. police are rejecting that story. >> these two ladies were trained to swab the face. they were instructed to clean their hands. and they know it is toxic. >> well and the investigation keeps growing. today police named a north korean embassy official and an employee of north korea's airline as quote persons of interest. officials believe both men and a fifth suspect are still in malaysia. while four other north korean men who are suspects are believed to be already back in pyongyang. our own janice fryer has been following every turn of the story. she joins me now from kuala lumpur. and janice, let me start with it seems that the basic struggle here malaysia is having with a

lot of things because of the north korean aspect of this but walk me through the issue of dna and family dna that malaysia needs for identification. >> reporter: the dna continues to be the key issue. they need that dna sample in order to prove the identity beyond a doubt that this is the body of kim jong nam. he was carrying a diplomatic passport thought to be fake in the name of kim chul. they need a family member to come forward to try and set the record straight. the problem is that the family is believed to be in hiding. failing a dna sample, they could turn to fingerprint or dental records for the identity. the other consequence of the family not coming forward is that the body of kim jong un could be returned to the north korea embassy and pyongyang if

somebody from the family doesn't come forward to claim it. >> explain that to me. why would it automatically be -- if there is nobody to claim it, they don't get the dna, so they don't have 100% confirmation of who he is, why is he automatic -- why would the automatic decision to give him to the north korean embassy? >> reporter: well, the north korean embassy has been pushing for this all along. they've wanted a joint investigation because they believe this is all a big conspiracy to try and harm the reputation of the regime. they say that malaysia is colluding with outside forces or a third party and now gone as far as to say that malaysia is to blame for his death. this has caused a real detier ration in relations between the two countries which is not something that north korea can really afford because malaysia is one of it's few allies. >> right. >> reporter: the problem of course is that according to protocol, they will have to turn the body over to somebody. >> all right. janice on the ground for us in

kuala lumpur. janice, thanks very much. i'm now joined by ambassador chris hill, of course a former u.s. ambassador to the republic of korea. he's now at the university of denver. chris, i don't know where to begin, this is right out of a spy novel. but explain why do you believe it was so important for kim jong-un to assassinate his half brother? >> first of all i want to make the case of the malaysian police. they're going to do this straight. that whole country malaysia has a history of telling other countries back off, we'll do our business. they're pretty stubborn bunch of people. so they will do what they have to do. as for kim jong-un, he tried to kill his half brother in 2012, and according to south koreans, the half brother actually wrote a letter to kim jong-un pleading with him not to do that anymore. but apparently there was just standing instructions. so what is this all about? i mean, it's pretty clear, first

of all, kim jong un was the choice to be the third in succession. i mean, replacing kim jong-il. he screwed up back in 2001 with his crazy trip to disneyland and tokyo on a dominican passport. he washed his hands of him, but his uncle, very close to the chinese, made sure that he was taken care of and in particular going down to mccal. but he continued to say anti-kim jong-un things, he would spreek out and clear that kim jong-un was going to come after him and he did so in a country that doesn't like foreigners to do that kind of thing. so i think this will all come out. i think the malaysians will be pretty clear about it. as for the reason for it, it's just one of these -- when you have a cult dictatorship with no clear lines of succession, this is thousand works. >> how -- how estranged family members are around the world and

how at-risk are their lives. >> well, i would say they are at risk. kim jong un has a son whose spoken out. he studied in places like france and switzerland. i think there are a couple of sisters as well. and, for example, when the uncle was murdered by on the orders of kim jong-un and his wife said why did you do this to my husband? she got assassinated. there's no end to the brutality of this regime, but it's pretty clear this kim jong-un is not quite consolidated in power quite yet. >> look, this is medieval stuff at this point. when you're going out and assassinating and all this stuff. it's a question i've been asking you before. where is china? i mean, what are they going to do with this, you know, it's their satellite state where weather they want to admit it or not. but at some point, everybody says at some point they're going to be embarrassed they might do something about this. this is embarrassing. >> we're not going to outsource

this issue to china, but we've got find a better way to work with them on this. and the chinese as you suggest really needs to step up on this had. i think the fact that this was a essentially a person under their protection and the north koreans went and snaeted him, this made be the straw that really does it. and as you know, just a couple of weeks ago, the chinese stopped all coal imports from north korea. so there are signs that are getting serious. i guess from the policy perspective from the u.s., i mean, we got to decide what's important tos with china? do we to want trade war with them right now, argue about one china policy or do we want to try to get together with them and work things together to go after this regime which is a threat to everybody? >> i was just going to say here, you know, it gets mocked sometimes, i mean, the south park boys did a movie that mocked kim jong-un's father and we don't want to laugh at north korea, but if this guy is this brazen now to do what he did to his half brother, is it not -- is it crazy to think that this

guy will use his weapons? >> i don't think it's crazy to think he would use his weapons or certainly to use the weapons to try to get his, get his neighbors to do something they don't want to do. i mean, he is not above blackmail. i think it's a very serious situation. and you know, it's got a certain unattended comedy to it, it's a dangerous situation frankly. and i think we've got to really get serious. and i'd put it right up there, the next four years, deliverable nuclear weapon. and what is our president going to say that he did about it? >> all right. chris sale, former ambassador to the republic of korea, and now at the university of denver. always good have you on and thank you for sharing your views. up next, out of this world obsession. and some advice for our extraterrestrial neighbors. stay tuned. with every early morning... every late night... and moment away... with every click...call...punch... and paycheck... you've earned your medicare. it was a deal that was made long ago, and aarp believes

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>> yeah. and, you know, you don't rally he he much, think democrats have done a lousy job in rural america talking about policy with rural citizens and that has been, you know, something that they really lost on in not just in the presidential race, but in congressional races around the country as well. >> it's always a simple theory, and everybody always are like of course, people want to hear about policy than personality, yet whether it was the base of your party, with obama, the base of the democrats with w., with reagan, i could go back, clinton, it is amazing how the derangement syndrome does sort of impact that. >> it sets in early and it sticks and it becomes a thing that sells the easiest. i mean, look, if you're going to have -- talk about a 14-page -- point page thing, thesis on health care, or do you sujust s, you know, that's bad, or because obama did it, it's even worse? i mean, if you personalize it, it makes it easier to carry the

narrative. than getting in the minutia of detail on policy. and the parties have figured that out. what the public has also figured out is at a certain point, at least they want to get an inkling about what you're talking about. >> right. >> share some thought. give us some clue about where this ends up. we don't like the person you're talking about or love the person, policy bubbles benet the surface. >> this is this -- republicans wanted -- the base made them feel good. feels good. >> yeah. >> on the other hands you sti, o win over the swing voters, they didn't come to them in '12 because of that, what hillary ran into a little bit in '16. >> absolutely. people said, oh, she should have talked more about the economy. i think this is not only a problem for democrats but it's also a problem for republicans who need to talk about issues as well, and not just about trump and they're strugtology gling t, they want to do it but they're struggling to do it. the media is a bit of a problem with this because we're also obsessed with trump. he's a personality who tends to

suck up all the oxygen in the room and he, himself, personalizes every issue and brings it back to him. i think, you know, it is a real struggle to get around that, talk about issues, and sort of refocus and redirect the conversation. >> hey, before i let you go, because we were talking about this before the show started, this issue of where are the nominees? and not just talking about the cabinet nominees, but you covered the ag policy. how vacant is the ag department? >> it's very vacant. you know, you -- not only do we not have the agriculture secretary, we don't have any idea who's going to be the deputies. we don't have any idea on undersecretaries or leaders of all. usda has almost 20 different agencies. no leadership in any of those agencies right now. so, you know, you have over 200 different positions at least that need to be filled, and we have no idea on any of them. >> you haven't even heard nams in ma names in many cases. >> i've heard some, and not that guy. >> eliana, you've been covering

state, same thing. >> i mean, the state department right now is essentially a ghost department. there's still no deputy state. there are hundreds of political positions that have not been filled over there. and i think you see rex tillerson sort of increasingly marginalized a little bit in this administration, defense secretary mattis is close friends, not only with the national security adviser, but with the homeland security adviser. and part of it is the fact these positions haven't been filled. the department's empty. >> all right. michael, when does this become a problem? real quick. >> yesterday. >> there you go. eliana, michael, chris, all good. after the break, how the eagle has landed in the war on terror. stay tuned.

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welcome back. we're going to take you to the limit one more time. in case you missed it, could eagles be the next big weapon in fighting terror? eagles versus drones. no, it's not the sunday night football game on earth 2. or the plot of a bad sci-fi movie. it's real. or at least real idea. both the french military and dutch police are training eagles to catch and bring down weaponized remote-controlled drones. here's why. drones are getting easier and easier to come by these days, as we've all heard, so there's more concern that terrorists or bad actors could get them and fly them into crowds or high-security areas. so how do you take out a drone in a crowded area without shooting it down and putting people below in danger? that's where screeching eagles

with kevlar clad talons come in naturally. dutch national police are trainitrain ing eagles to see drones as prey and snatch one right out of midair. talking small drones. not like an eagle could take out a predator drone, although that would make an excellent sci-fi movie. maybe you put in arnold schwarzenegger, jesse ventura. never mind. that's all for tonight. "for the record with greta" starts now. "for the record" tonight, fake protests or false claims? the white house doubling down on statements from president trump about liberal activists. we're going do go live to a town hall to see what's real and what is not. and secretary of state rex tillerson arriving in mexico on a mission to sell the president's immigration policies. you'll want to hear what a tonight mexican diplomat said about that. and a republican senator raising a possibility of a subpoena for the republican president's taxes. it's all