i'm going to pick my judge out of these 20 people on this piece of paper, and he did it, that's number one. because neil gorsuch represents a conservative, represents the type of judge that has the vision of donald trump and fulfills the promise that he made to all of you and to all americans across the country. second thing, deregulation. what hasn't been talked about a lot is president trump signed an order that puts in place a constant deregulatory form within the federal government. what it says is for every regulation presented for passage, that cabinet secretary has to identify two that that person would eliminate. that's a big deal. and then lastly, immigration. protecting the so far rinvereig the united states. putting a wall on the southern border, making sure criminals are not part of our process.

these are all things that 80% of americans agree with and these are all things that president trump is doing within 30 days. steve? >> yep. i think the same thing. i think if you look at the lines of work i break it into three buckets. first is national security and sovereignty, that's your intelligence, the defense department, homeland security. the second line of work is what i refer to as economic nationalism. and that is, wilbur ross at commerce, mnuchin, peter that rar row, stephen miller, these people thinking how we're going to reconstruct our trade arrangements around the world. third, broadly, line of work, deconstruction of the administrative state. and if you -- so, i think -- i think the three most important things. i think one of the most pivotal moments in modern american history was his immediate withdrawal from tpp. that is out of -- got us out of a trade deal and let our sovereignty come back to

ourselves, the mainstream media don't get this but we're working in consultation with the hill. people are thinking through a whole raft of amazing and bilateral trading relationships with people that will reposition america in the world as a fair trading nation and start to bring jobs, high value added manufacturing jobs, back to the united states of america. on the -- on the national security part, it was certainly the first -- i think the first two eos you start to see implemented under general kelly. that is the rule of law is going to exist when you talk about our sovereignty and you talk about immigration. general kelly and attorney general sessions are adamant that -- and you're going to start to see with the defense budget we'll talk about next week when we bring the budget out and also with certain things about the plan on isis and what general mattis and these guys think, you'll see the other part of that. third, regulation. every business leader we've had

in is saying not just taxes, but it is also the regulation. i think the consistent -- if you look at these cabinet appointees, they were selected for a reason. that is the deconstruction, the way the progressive left runs, is if they can't get it passed, they'll put it in some sort of regulation in an agency. that's all going to be deconstructed. and i think that that's why this regulatory is so important. >> we had dr. larry on the stage earlier today. he brought up the fact that we're promulgating more laws and regulations than we ever have before. most is from independent agencies that are just on autopilot. you guys can stop that. also coming from the federal bunch is conservatives we fight out political wars on issues we care about, and liberals on the bench, like a lightning bolt out of the sky is changing things. what you say about that order is amazing. we consume a lot of news, watch and read a lot of things. there's been a great

democraticization of news. what would each of you say -- what is the -- there's always polls being put out, is donald trump doing a good job, is donald trump doing a bad job. i know what you all think. we've been hearing it all day. what is it that they keep getting wrong? do you think it ever gets fixed? what does the media get wrong with the trump phenomenon and what's happening in the country and is there any hope it changes? >> we hope it changes. we sit here every day and the president pumps out all this work, putting out executive orders and making good on promises he made to america and we hope mainstream media catches up to it. we're so conditioned to it. i'm conditioned to hearing why president trump won't win the election. why a controversy in the primary is going to take down president trump. i lived through it, as chairman of the party. and it really hit me because it was maybe the summer of 2015, and you remember the media was

constantly pounding president trump. and the polling kept getting better and better and better for president trump. but it was when i went home and got out of this town, and i went back to kenosha and i talked to my neighbor and i said, bob, what do you think? he says, man, i really love that trump. i said, sandy, what do you think? she goes, we're for trump. and it was, as you all lived through it, to, you had different people you were running for, but you kept running into your neighbors and people you know, they kept telling you trump, trump, trump. and so -- [ crowd chants "trump" ] >> tomorrow, tomorrow, okay? just be patient. >> but i knew, and so it was back then, my family and my sister, who's a doctor out in san diego, everyone around me that nothing -- it was impenetrable.

it goes back to what i said before. the country was hungry for something far bigger than one story or one-off issue. it was something people in this country wanted that was real and it was president trump. that was the answer. >> the reason reince and i are good partners is we can disagree. it's not only going to get better, it's going to get worse every day in the media. here's why -- by the way, the internal logic makes sense. they're corporatists, globalist media that are adamantly opposed, adamantly opposed to an economic nationalist agenda like donald trump has. president trump really laid this out, as reince said, many years ago at cpac. cpac originally gave him the springboard. it's the first time at breitbart we started seeing him and how his speeches resonated with people. then he would go out to smaller town halls later and he got traction with the same message he's bringing today. here's why it's going to get worse. because he's going to continue

to press his agenda. and as economic conditions get better, more jobs get better, they're going to continue to fight. if you think they're going to give you your country back without a fight, you're sadly mistaken. every day, every day it is going to be a fight. that is what i'm proudest about donald trump. all the opportunities he had to waiver off this, all the people that came to him and said, you have to moderate, every day in the oval office he tells reince and i, i committed this to the american people, i promise the this when i ran and i'm going to deliver on this. [ cheers and applause ] >> how novel. how interesting. i was being asked by some reporters, why is trump doing x, y or z? i said, because he said he would do it on the campaign trail. it's really not that complicated, is it? but there are -- there are -- okay, i like that one. there are some parts of this,

though, that are fitful. the american conservative union which puts on cpac was created after barry goldwater lost in 1964 to take voices from the right and conservative movement and bring them together. there is this question. there are those folks that consider themselves, you know, a classical liberals or conservatives or raking conservatives. there are other folks that consider themselves libertarians, other folks are part of this new trump movement. trump brought a lot of new people. there are probably people in this crowd that wouldn't have been in this crowd before. there's a lot of diversity here. we all know it when we're at the bar at the end of the day. and can this trump movement be combined with what's been happening in cpac and other conservative movements for 50 years? can this be brought together? is this going to save the country? >> go ahead. >> first of all, it has to. we have to stick together as a team. i think that what you've got is an incredible opportunity -- we

have an incredible opportunity to use this victory that president trump and all of us and you and everyone that made this happen put together. and work together. continue to communicate. it's very similar, some of the core principles of president trump are similar to those of ronald reagan. when you look at peace through strength and building up the military. how many times have you heard president trump say, i'm going to build up the military, i'm going to take care of the vets, i'm going to make sure that we don't have a navy that's decimated and planes that are nowhere to be found. peace through strength, deregulation. you think about the economy and the economic boon that was created. some of it is going to take a little time. i mean, to get the jobs back, to get more money in people's pockets. those things are going to happen. and in the meantime, we have to stick together and make sure that we've got president trump for eight years and he's somebody that we know that we're

going to be very proud of as these things get done. but it's going to take all of us working together to make it happen. >> you know, i've said that there's a new political order that's being formed out of this, and it's still being formed. but if you look at the wide degree of opinions in this room, whether you're a populist, limited government or conservative, whether you're a libertarian or economic nationalist, we have wide and sometimes diverse pnz but i think the center core of what we believe, we're a nation with an economy, not an economy in some global marketplace with open borders but a nation with a culture and a reason for being. and i think that's what unites us. i think that's what's going to unite this movement going forward. president trump tomorrow is coming, i think, really to express his appreciation. >> absolutely. the vice president is coming. >> the vice president is coming tonight. he understands cpac, there are many, many voices but he's here to say appreciation and drive this movement forward. this is really where he got his launch, you know, with the ideas in the conservative movement six

years ago, five years ago. and he wanted to show his appreciation. we're at the top of the first inning of this. it's going to take just as much fight, just as much focus and just as much determination. and the one thing i'd like to leave you guys today with is that we want you to have our back. more importantly -- [ applause ] by the way, president trump, we never doubted that for a second. also, and more importantly, hold us accountable. hold us accountable to what we promised. hold us accountable for delivering on what we promised. >> let me just ask, as we close this out, it's time for, you know, you guys have been so kum-bi-ya here. it's time for a group hug. let me ask you, okay, i'm sorry, i'm going to do the barbara walters thing for those of you who remember barbara walters. let me ask you, you've worked

really closely with steve. you say your offices -- i know what two offices they are. they are really close to each other. what do you like the most about him? >> hold on. let him think. >> i love how many collars he wears. an interesting look. one thing, we're different, but where we're very similar is i think that he is very dogged in making sure that every day the promises that president trump has made are the promises that we're working on every day, number one. number two, he's incredibly loyal. number three, which i think is a really important quality, as we are working together to see to it that president trump's vision is enacted, is that he's extremely consistent. that as you can imagine, there are many things hitting the

president's ear and desk every day, different things that come to the president that want to move him off of his agenda and steve is very consistent and very loyal to the agenda and is a presence that i think is very important to have in the white house. and i consider him -- secondly, a very dear friend, a very dear friend, and someone that i work with every second of the day. actually, i cherish his friendship. >> yeah, you know, i can run a little hot on occasions. and reince is low key but determination. the thing i respect most, and the only way this thing works is reince is always kind of steady, he's got katie and other people around him, but his job is, by far, one of the toughest jobs ever to see in my life. to make it run every day, and to make -- you only see the surface. what's going on underneath and planning what's three weeks down

the road, of all the eos and legislation, and whether it's a tax reform bill, reince is saying, we have to drive this forward, drive this forward. it's one of the reasons we have such a -- by the way, this started back in august. we this-h this campaign, we were outgunned, outmanned, outspent. it's because president trump had a message. he had this charisma and he had people like here at cpac. we put our heads down. reince has been unwavering since the very first moment i met him. >> well, it's a great honor to have you both here. i think the best thing we could do is to let these two guys get back to work. what do you think? >> that's right. >> thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> you were just watching reince priebus and steve bannon at cpac right there. i'm katy tur. it is 2:14 on the east coast. a bit of a kum-bi-ya moment between the two men who reportedly have had a

contentious relationship. that's been all over the media, of late. the two men making efforts to say they are actually friends and they work well behind the scenes. reince priebus talking a lot about the campaign, mocking those who question the campaign, mocking those who question donald trump's staying power. also steve bannon reaching out to the audience there at cpac saying -- asking them to have their back and asking them also to hold the trump administration accountable. we've got a team of reporters and experts to break this down. let's go first to rick tyler, who is at cpac right now. i want to ask you, it feels like a bit of revisionist history from reince priebus about how the party had coalesceed behind donald trump. >> a little bit. if you were here a year ago, donald trump skipped cpac. it's the preeminent place where conservatives gather every year. ted cruz was here. and ted cruz won cpac. but clearly, katy, this is --

this cpac is dominated by donald trump. the administration made a ve very -- made a decision they would be here, as reagan was in '81. they've had up to eight administration members. you just saw steve bannon and chief of staff reince priebus, earlier betsy devos, and mike pence will be here and donald trump will be the second president to be here at cpac, not since ronald reagan in '81 has a president been here. it was like watching a lion and lion tamer, the fact they have to do some pr thing to emphasize they're getting along tells you, one, there's too many power centers in the white house. two, that reince priebus really isn't the chief of staff. >> at least jordan was making that same point right before we came out of that talk between the two men. you were saying to have them on

stage, sitting together, means a lot. >> well, it's problematic from two vantage points, whichever point is more compelling and the truth. who knows. one, i would say, why is steve bannon elevated to the same level as the white house chief of staff? the white house chief of staff needs to be the ultimate power center of authority to run the entire administration. two, why do they have to go on this fullcourt press offensive to prove they're actually friends? that just -- that there's been so much tension within the trump administration in this first month is inherently problematic. >> kelly o'donnell at the white house. kelly, so far what is the white house's reaction to having so many of their aides go up and speak at cpac, as kellyanne conway called it, taking it over in a way and renaming it tpac for trump pac. >> there was one reference in the midst of the buddy movie.

reince priebus saying eight years, not four. when we heard bannon talking about, have our backs but hold us accountable. a month into this administration they're already looking to build the support to keep a coalition behind donald trump to try to excite these conservatives, to stay with them against the headwinds of the larger political conversation where there have been protests against the president, where there have been questions about how smoothly this new administration is running. not so much from conservatives, although there have been questions from conservatives who are looking for that competency piece. you have these two top leaders in the white house, she's right, it used to be the white house chief of staff had no equals. in this case, putting the two men side by side, it shows a partnership. it allows us to see that they acknowledge they have different styles. they acknowledge that they might approach things differently but try to convey to everyone they can manage their own kind of working disagreements, hot and

cold, as you might call it. so, i think part of what the white house is looking for here is to sort of flood the zone by having their message, their people visible, and to try to excite the conservatives who they know are so influential. especially when there are other figures like ted cruz who remain incredibly popular. one of the first things reince priebus talked about was the supreme court nomination of neil gorsuch, something that really gets this group fired up. and we heard matt schlapp make a reference to the bathroom issue. they did not deal with that. the transgender student issue. under his breath reince priebus saying, a state issue. they are steering the message doing the things the president said he would do and convey a cooperative white house when we know that early administrations are often tumultuous. this one, there have been many points of evidence to suggest they've had some rocky times as well. >> for those watching at home or work, you might notice there's a

little screen on the bottom right hand corner of your television. we're awaiting the white house daily press conference. that should come a little later in this hour. let's go back to rick tyler. rick, this show that we just saw, is it going to make things any easier for donald trump with republicans on the hill? >> not really. i think everyone here is supportive of steve bannon and reince priebus and everything they're trying to get done. as you saw in that 77-minute press conference, which was sort of a strange performance, that does not give people on the hill a lot of cover. when you couple that with his poll ratings, both the pew and gallup poll show him in very low ratings. members who want to get re-elected and the whole house is up for re-election again in 2018, they don't know whether to keep their distance or whether to embrace the trump agenda. i guess it depends largely on their district. but there doesn't seem to be a

confidence in the president's ability to communicate his agenda clearly. >> we also have ben jealous, former president of the naacp. ben, this was really the trump administration digging their heels in and showing they're not going anywhere to a group of conservatives. kel kellyanne conway, as we mentioned, called it tpac. does the democratic party know who it's running against now? are these conservatives or a whole new party? >> look, i don't think these conservatives know who te are right now. what i saw just felt like watching trot out darth vader for the first time. reince priebus claimed to be trained by jack kemp, the jack kemp mold. he claimed to fully support the voting rights act in its fullness before section 5 was gutted from it. to be a man of principle who,

again, foaled in the inclusive spirit of jack kemp who both ran for president in the gop and was active in the naacp at the same time. who you're seeing now is someone who's fully conservative -- excuse me. who are you are seeing now is someone who's fully converted to bannon way of doing things. bannon, you know, is this creature from the alt-right who really, i think, is doing real damage to hope that we may see principle conservativism come back. >> on that point, reince priebus seemed to imply the republican party and the rnc was behind donald trump for quite a long time, even making a reference to 2015 when people were coming after donald trump. i don't know about you, but i seem to remember the republican party and the rnc being among those people that went after and criticized donald trump for the many outrageous things he said early on in the campaign and pretty well into the campaign before he won the nomination.

>> that's a pretty convenient rewrite of what went down during this incredibly contentious primary, where you have republicans, you know, de crying what donald trump said during his announcement speech, about mexicans coming over the border to be rapists, to donald trump embracing the muslim ban, you know, later in december before he eventually got the nomination the next year. but i mean, up until, i think, really may-june of last year, there was still talk of a brokered convention and still such strong opposition that is not normal within the party. and still they haven't brought the republican party together yet again. >> rick, the fact that reince priebus is sitting next to steve bannon is essentially because donald trump didn't fully trust reince priebus. so, he wanted to have a loyalist in the -- in a role that was equal to him. isn't that the -- isn't that the case? >> i think that's right. but i also think it's a management style by donald trump. i mean, let there be no mistake,

donald trump is in charge of this white house. and he seems to micromanage a whole lot of different issues. that's going to become virtually impossible. it remains to be seen whether he'll let his cabinet secretaries run their individual departments. we saw that yesterday with the transgender issue with betsy devos who basically backed down from her initial position and i think she was given an ultimatum, either go along with the attorney general on this and the president or, you know, find another job. so, we'll see. it's a little early, but things are moving. >> kel y i want ly, i want to a question. steve bannon said in referring to the opposition against donald trump, he referred to it as the corporatist, globalist media adamantly opposed to an economic nationalist agenda. what does that mean? >> reporter: well, it's quite a mouthful but it is the argument that media is owned by corporations that have other interests and do not want this

notion of the united states being something other than a global figure in economic terms. this is core steve bannon ideology. he has been really at the center of many idealogical issues that catch fire and he's criticized for. this is one of the key things. his opposition to the immediate, yeah his belief that the media in a broad way has too much of a corporate view and those corporate ceos believe in globalism for their shareholders' benefit. and that that somehow influences the editorial side. that's sort of what he's saying. i think many reporters, many media figures would argue that there is a separation between corporate interests and the editorial pursuit on a day-to-day basis. that's -- this is classic bannon trying to really say that as far as he's concerned, the media relationship to the president is not something he sees changes. we saw reince priebus saying, he thinks it can improve and that

there will be more coverage of what they believe are their accomplishments. we will see how that goes. very different views from those two leaders within the white house about the relationship of the president to the media. >> i've certainly never had anybody from the corporate side of anything in this company or any company i've worked with be involved in an editorial meeting. >> reporter: absolutely, me neither. >> so, that should be a comforting thought for our viewers, number one. the other part of, that elise, when he said that, you had a reaction to it because you said that's going to make it harder for the republican party. how so? >> it's not necessarily a republican economic agenda. it's not an agenda that's in support of free market principles of keeping the government out of capitalism. you know, you look at what donald trump has done just in his first month in office and he's interfering on a case-by-case basis with different corporations, trying to keep their business in america. these one-off efforts that don't

really necessarily do anything to solve the long-term problem of manufacturing jobs basically going away because of technology. so you look at the economic policies that this administration favors. and it just really seems deaggressive to me and anti-free market. >> thank you. kelly o'donnell, everybody, stay with us. well, you guys don't stay with us. the viewers, please stay with us, because we are watching several breaking stories this hour. secretary of state rex tillerson is right now meeting with the president of mexico after some tough talk from president trump earlier today. as we've been talking about at cpac, reince priebus and steve bannon addressed conservatives, speaking together in public for the first time. and those town halls that you've been watching all week, well, they have been as rowdy as ever today. another one under way in north dakota right now. so far, it's not nearly as rowdy. so far it's not nearly as rowdy as this. >> will you commit to

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when we had the executive order this last month, there were a couple of things here. of course there was the impact

on the immigrant community, but then the big impact directly was the pause, the real potential for basically completely undermining something that's really important, long-standing american institution, which is we welcome refugees. [ applause ] >> that was just one of the questions posed to senator tom cotton at his town hall in arkansas last night. thousands showed up at that town hall in springdale. cotton took questions for about an hour and a half. we have two reporters who are covering that. we're going to talk to that pastor who just asked that question of tom cotton yesterday with ron hilliard. first, we want to go to cal perry, who's in fargo, north dakota. cal, you are right now representative cramer's town hall. it's packed in there, i can see, but it doesn't quite look as rowdy as what we have been seeing so far this week.

>> reporter: you might be surprised. i'm going to try to do that golf voice i learned from you on the campaign trail. you will hear the heckling. they just started talking. you can go ahead and pan up, show the crowd. they just started talking about the affordable care act. and that's when things got rowdy. the political engagement here is just incredible. it's a coffee shop that would normally hold about 100 people. there are 200 people here. representative kramer is an old hand at these town halls. he's given hundreds of town halls, hundreds more than his colleagues on capitol hill. he does a weekly radio show where he talks to constituents. he does this coffee with cramer in fargo, north dakota. that's where we are today. he's been going for 30 minutes. the big issue, affordable care act. the representative keeps calling it obamacare. every time he does, the crowd erupts with jeers and heckles. the other big subject was the communication between donald trump's office and the russian government. that's something constituents here have been peppering him with questions.

i'm surprised by that. i didn't expect that to be an issue. the other big issue is the relationship between authorities and native american tribes. we've been following the events at standing rock. this town hall opened with a prayer by the representative for law enforcement at standing rock. >> who is in there right now, mostly republicans or democrats? have you run into anybody who was paid to be there? >> reporter: i don't believe anybody was paid to be here. there is a group that has come here called progressive fm, about 60 of them. that's an anti-trump group. they're trying to engage, they say, with republican congressmen around the country. i would say it's about a third in support of the congressman and i would say about 70% here are democrats. >> so, not necessarily the congressman's -- entirely, at least, the congressman's constituents? >> reporter: right. i think there are people here from out of town. we talked to a few gentlemen who

drove from about 45 miles away. most of the people here are from fargo. most have said, even though he does this weekly back and forth with constituents, they have never seen it this tense. he's having difficulty controlling the room. there are times -- every time he says obamacare, the room erupts. someone in the back of the room just yelled, get rid of the department of education. the political engagement is impressive. it's not -- it's not as useful as you would think. you've been to a lot of these. there are times where the congressman cannot hold the floor. >> we'll keep an eye on that event with cal perry. let's go to vaughn hillyard who's in springdale, arkansas. you were at tom cotton's town hall last night. talk to me about the biggest issue for voters was. it seems like obamacare is dominating a lot of these discussions. >> reporter: the first 15 minutes were on obamacare.

one young woman, a 26-year-old, went back and forth with tom cotton. among the 2200 that filled in this theater in springdale, it was very much of an anti-trump energy in the room. not necessarily people that identify themselves as democrat or independent, progressives. there were some republicans in the room. overwhelmingly there were questions about tax returns to the extent senator cotton would help in russian interference in u.s. elections. there was a wide swath of questions. to cal's point, i did not meet any paid protesters. these were people that came from two, three hours away. the lady who organized the group, indivisible is a 23-year-old, caitlyn moses, who works as a furniture store down the road. she worked directly with cotton's office, an aide to cotton told me last night, to pick the location, the high school. 2300 filled in. i want to bring in a pastor from fayetteville, ten minutes away, drove in last night. you actually got a chance to ask

senator cotton a question. what was it and why did you ask it? >> we just started a refugee settlement here in northwest arkansas this last year. we settled about 25 refugees before the executive order. so, then there was the pause put on resettlement to which we had a lot of concerns about. we know that tom cotton has kind of a mixed reaction to refugee resettlement. he has both indicated an interest in resettling even more refugees to the united states, especially targeting christian minorities in syria, but also wants to reduce it like trump does. so, i wanted to ask him about that and where we could find common ground. >> reporter: how do you reconcile? northwest arkansas hasn't seen anything like that. how do you reconcile, a red state with a republican congress, a presidency that has the likes of steve bannon. how do you reconcile that? >> i think what cotton met last night was northwest arkansas in spadz. >> reporter: it's a very metropolitan area.

>> very metropolitan area. so it's different from the arkansas he knew growing up or the rural areas i knew growing up. i think this was a good move to have the two communities come together so he could hear our voice. >> reporter: and he listened. >> i think he really listened. it was characterized as being but i thought it was like the house of commons in england. >> reporter: which is different from a lot of the republican senators, joni ernst, chuck grassley, marco rubio is one that avoided town halls but engaged and talked to their constituents. >> i love the pastor made a reference to prime minister question time. that's one of my favorite things that happen overseas. you get to tune in, watch the prime minister go in and debate things in parliament with other members of parliament. cal perry, north dakota. vaughn hillyard in north dakota. great work. moving on, we're asking in today's microsoft pulse question, it's on topic, though,

do you plan on attending a town hall meeting with your member of congress? you can weigh in on our pulse question at pulse.msnbc.com. if you do, please post your videos on our facebook and twitter pages. mine specifically, if you'd like. we'd love to see democracy in action. and we're going to move on now and go to the lawmakers having to face these town halls. joining me, congressman mark sanford, republican from south carolina, and scott taylor from virginia. both have faced feisty crowds at their own town halls. congressman sanford, let's start with you. last night, i believe, you had to start inside and move outside because so many people showed up for your town hall, correct? >> i think we're having an issue with the congressman's microphone. we'll try and get that fixed and move over to our other congressman, representative

scott taylor. representative, you are new to congress. this is your first stint. you just got elected back in november. certainly going to be -- is this your first series of town halls? >> after being elected, yes. i mean, during the campaign, of course, we did tons of these similar type of events all over. i was in the state house for three years as well, too, so i've done a ton of these things before. as an ee leblgted congressman, yes, this is my first series after my facebook live. >> what do you make of everyone turning out to make sure you recognize they are dissatisfied by the current state of events within this administration, within congress? >> well, look, i think it's fine. i think everybody should have a seat at the table. i don't mind a little rowdiness. i think the pastor, the way he described that, that's ideal, right? i mean, a lot of times a lot of folks who show up at these type of events are not in support of your policies and that's why they're there. that's fine. i think it's important for us to answer questions to people and

make sure that everybody feels respected and listened to and that they have a seat at the table. >> so, when you're in that room and the voters are expressing themselves forcefully and you don't necessarily agree with the point of view they have, what is -- how do you find a way to convince them that what you're doing in congress is the right way or are you allowing yourself to be convinced by them to potentially change your plan? >> well, let me say, i've dealt with crowd control before with my own background and people who are armed before, so i'm not -- not so worried about, you know, people screaming and stuff like that. i will tell you that the way the pastor described it is a good way. it's important for you to listen and also important for the person in front of the room, the congress man or woman, to remain calm. i mean, couple is calm is conta the opposite is true. the local democratic party and

my virginia beach, they were -- they were there instigating, shouting people down. when you do that, no, it does absolutely nothing. doesn't convince me of anything. it's quite the opposite. i'm there to listen to people and people can shoud and everything, that's fine if they agree or disagree with something i'm saying. when you have dialogue, that's the best thing, of course. when you're able to have a little logic and reason and talk and everything. that doesn't happen if people are just shouting folks down. if you're just shouting you agree or disagree, no problem. that's completely fine. personally, you know, i can be convinced with reason and logic that makes sense and, you know, dross my attention to something i didn't not before, something like that, no problem. if it's simply just shouting, it has zero effect on influences me. >> let's go back to congressman sanford. i hear his mike is working. can you hear me, congress snan. >> i hear you. i don't know if you hear me. >> i do hear you. fantastic. both the white house and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell basically said these

constituents are a bunch of sore losers. what do you think? >> it's those who care. as scott was mentioning. our entire republic is based on having different viewpoints and sorting them out in a way that doesn't involve arms. that's the entire premise in the way in which our government was set up. so, i think they're mistaken. i think to scott's point, this is a group, disparate citizens across this country that we need to listen to and listen to attentively. >> you have good political instincts. you've never lost a race. you're pretty great at reading your constituent base. what do you think the mood of voters is out there? and does that give you any cause for concern for going forward, for the republican party going forward? >> yeah, i think that we're at something of an inflexion point. if you look at government spending numbers, we're at a real problem point in

government's ability to deliver on promises that have been made. that's not just tied to the affordable care act. it's tied to a whole set of different promises. one of the thin things i said on saturday to the group assembled is magnify this political energy times ten and that's what you're talking about when you think about medicare, medicaid, social security in terms of what comes next and the actual problems on that front. that's one. the other point that's really interesting is, donald trump may have unleashed something that we need to be watchful of. you know, it was newton's law of for every action that's an equal opposite reaction. right now people are feeling licensed to at times be rude in ways they wouldn't in a way they've seen donald trump get away with it. if he can do it, i can do it. to scott's point, we need to take a little breath here, and find a way to respectfully hear each other's perspective. >> congressman sanford, glad we got your microphone working. thank you for joining me.

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any minute now we're expecting the white house press briefing to begin. we'll bring it to you live. first, the trump administration is on defense today on that decision to roll back transgender protections. protests and pushback across the board, including from pediatricians and even the mayor of miami. last spring then-candidate trump told matt lauer during a "today" show interview the issue for him was a nonstarter. >> north carolina, what they're going through with all of the business that's leaving and all of the strife, and that's on both sides, you leave it the way it is. there have been very few complaints the way it is. people go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. >> so, if caitlyn jenner were to walk into trump tower and want to use the bathroom, you would be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses? >> that is correct. >> so, that certainly has changed. joining me now, kristen and her son, joe, a transgender cub scout. joe was initially kicked out of the scouts and became one of the

first children allowed back in after the scouts changed its national policy. joe, i want to start with you. >> okay. >> have you been watching the news lately? >> yeah. >> what do you make of it? >> what do you mean? >> how does it make you feel? >> i think i'm proud -- well, not proud. i'm not proud of donald trump, though. >> you're proud of yourself? >> yeah. >> do you think you're different than any other little kids? >> mostly, yeah. >> how so? >> because i changed the rules of transgenders. >> and you're proud of it? >> yeah. >> why are you proud of it? >> because all transgenders can go into cub scouts now because of me. >> what do you think of this idea that the administration may want to leave it up to the states to decide who can use what bathrooms? >> i don't know. i think it's wrong. >> why do you think it's wrong?

>> because some governors will probably say no. and i don't think any states should be for that rule. >> what do you want to say to those governors who say maybe, no, little boys should not share bathrooms -- who they believe are little boys should not share bathrooms with little girls or vice versa? >> i think it's ridiculous. this is just -- oh, my gosh. it's just ridiculous. >> why do you think it's ridiculous? >> because it doesn't matter of your gender. it matters how you feel, not your gender. >> i think he'd give answer a lot if he went into the girls' bathroom. that opens up a can. >> if you went into the girls' bathroom, do you think that people would kick you out? would they look at you strange? would it feel weird to you? >> he went through that. >> when he went through that, what was it like?

>> it was just peerd. >> it was weird? >> did didn't make sense at all. >> do you understand what she's asking? >> they didn't -- >> this isn't the girls' bth room. >> mom, what is it like -- when you watch the news, and certainly things were one way during the obama administration, they were trying to make it law but the courts had put a stay on it, and trump during the campaign seemed to not want to take issue with it. >> right. >> when you saw the change in policy yesterday, what was your reaction? >> i don't think it's fair. i don't think it should be up to the state because i feel that one transgender is protected and the other state won't be protected. i think they should all be equal. >> it's messed up. >> right. >> do you think this is a civil rights issue or is it a states issue? >> i believe a civil rights issue. >> why do you believe it's a civil rights issue? >> it's horrible. >> it's to protect all

transgender, not from one state to the next. >> do you think your son is any different than any other kids? >> no. no. and my big question, why is it so important to the trump -- >> administration. >> -- administration? >> i think it's silly. >> joe, what's your big message -- final message to america? >> i think all transgenders, again, should be respected for who they are. it doesn't matter. i don't know. >> i think they have the right to use the rest room they feel. >> hold on a second. we have donald trump speaking live right now. he's talking about human trafficking. let's take a listen. >> really a challenge and made possible to a large extent, more of a modern phenomenon by what's taking place on the internet, as you probably know. solving the human trafficking epidemic, is what it is, is a

priority for my administration. we're going to help out a lot. it will help a lot. i'll direct the department of justice, the department of homeland security and other federal agencies that have a role in preventing human trafficking to take a hard look at the resources and personnel that they're currently dwoegt to this fight. they are devoting a lot, but we're going to be devoting more. dedicated men and women across the federal government have focused on this for some time, as you know. wie been dealing with the federal government and it's been much more focused over the last four weeks. i can tell you that. i cannot think each of you enough and the dedicated men and women who run my staff and your staffs and getting everybody together was terrific. i was so glad i was able to be here. you start with really a

tremendous amount of energy and blood, sweat and tears. government can be helpful, but without you, nothing would happen. so, again, i want to thank everybody in this room. it's a very, very terrible problem. it's not talked about enough. people don't know enough about it. and weesh going to talk about it and bring it out to the open and hopefully we're going to do a great deal to help prevent some of the horrific, really horrific crimes that are taking place. and i can see -- i really can say, in this country, people don't realize how bad it is in this country, but in this country and all over the world. thank you all for being here. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> that right there, donald trump having a listening session with members of congress about human trafficking. can. coming up next, we're going to take you live to the white house press briefing room where sean spicer is going to kick off his daily press briefing at any minute now. stay with us.

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welcome back. sean spicer, the white house press secretary, is at the podium for his daily press briefing. let's listen in. >> and came together with the president to brief him on their discussions and recommendation. the group discussed the need to roll back burdensome regulations stifling economic growth. the ceo says thanked the president for the action he's already taken to address the issue -- the issues. and the president pledged to do even more, both through executive -- the executive branch and by working with congress to pass legislation that will help further economic growth and job creation. the business leaders recommended the administration take a multifaceted approach to tax and trade policies, including tax reform toward which secretary mnuchin said progress is being made. the president committed to working lower taxes and level the playing field with other countries when it comes to trade and taxation.

the group held a lengthy discussion about the need to invest in the american worker, to prepare for the manufacturing jobs of the future. especially the key role of vocational schools and training the workforce of the 21st century. the ceos and administration officials agreed that public/private partnerships will be the cornerstone of a proceed bust plan to rebuild the nation's crumbling infrastructure. the president committed to stream lining and a permitting process that is holding back so many key projects. at the end of the discussion, the group expressed their excitement for having a true partner in economic growth in the white house and ceo of dow chemical said this is probably the most pro-business administration since the founding fathers. the president conveyed his assemble the business leaders on a regular basis to assess progress on important goals. a full list of the participants is available. this afternoon the president spoke with canadian prime minister trudeau by phone. we'll have a