we are suffering from a crisis of confidence, a crisis of relevance. we need a chair who cannot only take the fight to donald trump, make sure that we talk about our positive message of inclusion and opportunity, and talk to that big tent of the democratic party. we also need a chair who can lead turnaround and change the culture of the democratic party and the dnc. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm jonathan capehart filling in for joy reed. you heard him, the new lu elected chair of the democratic party, tom perez, political veteran and the first a l.a. tino leader of the democratic national committee defeated minnesota congressman keith ellison among others at a party meeting on saturday in atlanta. it took a second ballot for the former labor secretary to emerge victorious. he named ellison deputy chair in a show of unity.

it didn't take too long for donald trump to troll perez tweet, "congratulations to thomas perez, who has just been named chairman of the dnc. i could not be happier for him or for the republican party." now, perez clapd back, telling trump fot to get too happy because democrats will be trump's worst nightmare. as perez set seths about rebuilding the democratic party, he could take a lesson from delaware, where democrats won a crucial local victory saturday. stephanie hanson won a delaware state senate race ensuring that the party will retain the majority in the state legislature. hanson, who was backed by joe biden, is the first example of a democratic win buoyed by a grassroots outpouring of anti-trump protests, energy that that party is counting on far resurgence at the ballot box. raul reyes, e.j. dion, author of

"twer change we seek," seed phillips, author of "brown is the new white," terrific book, and jane cleb, chair of the nebraska democratic party. thanks for being here. jane, given our conversation yesterday in the 2:00 hour i have to start with you. let me flay something that you said yesterday on -- when we talked at 2:00 p.m. >> if it is tom perez, that we have some pieces of wood right here from the grassroots of the party and that it's his responsibility to build a bridge, not mine. and there is a lot of bridge that will need to be built. >> that was something you said, jane, before the vote was official and tom perez became chair -- elected chair of the party. give than the first thing that tom perez did as chair was make congressman ellison his deputy, is that part of the bridge building that you were happy to see or wanted to see? >> yeah.

i mean, i'm very excited for chairman perez. he not only started to build that bridge, i feel like he's building an entire house and making sure that progressives and those who supported bernie and representative ellison are actually at the table. i'm going to hold him to his word that he'll invest live in state parties. we have elections in 2017. it's not just about building up to 2018. we have a critical mayor's race, a democrat keith mellows running in omaha. i'm confident he'll keep us at the table at state parties. we'll push him to hire a bunch of folks from kind of the ellison and bernie world. so it's a balanced staff inside the dnc but he made smart moves yesterday when he made ellison the deputy. >> let's listen to what tom perez said after he won the election to be the next chair about what he thinks the democratic party should do. >> we need to make house calls. we need to listen to people. we need to get back to basics.

and we need to move forward because i am confident, my friends, i am confident that when we lead with our values and lead with our actions, we succeed. that is what the democratic party has always been about. >> and raul, i mean, i saw you nodding your head in agreement. is that the message that needs to be coming from the dnc. >> yes. to be fair, that wasn't a huge ideological difference between perez and ellison. the difference was who was the most progressive but in a sense where we are now, that to me is a distraction. i think the important thing to know about tom perez, and he touched on it in the earlier sot you played, is the word turnaround. we need someone who can rebuild the democratic party. when you look at tom's resume, when he was at doj in the civil rights division, he came to that when it had been decimated under

george w. bush. he went after voirt i.d. and went to the department of labor. there's 17,000 ploys, a huge bureaucracy. he reenjized that department, fought for overtime wage protections. he's shown he can deal with what would strike many people as cumbersome bureaucracy hard to work with and slow to change. he's done it twice. the key to what will be tom prelz's success will hinge on that word turnaround. he has a track record of that. >> unity is another word that's going to be at issue. >> exactly. >> e.j., one of the things that was surprising to me when i spoke to boast both jane yesterday and jeff weaver, bernie sanders' campaign manager in the presidential campaign, was how stark the divide seemed to be. even in the room after perez was named the new chair, the jeers that were coming from the back of the room, that the break between the so-called establishment and the bernie

sanders wing of the party is still there. do you think the work that tom perez has is going to be a lot harder and a lot bigger despite the kind and wonderful words jane just said a few moments snag. >> well, first of all, i think tom perez's biggest ally is donald trump because no matter how divided and how much sort of bad feeling there still is from the 2016 race, there is really unity on the need to stom and push back donald trump. secondly, i think it's really significant that the clinton and obama forces, when they were looking around for a candidate -- and i think that was baked in for perez more or less from the beginning because hillary won the primary so they had the numbers on the dnc, and when jamie harrison dropped out a couple days ago, i think that signaled what was going to happen because you were freeing up votes that might have forced another ballot or several more

ballots. but they had to pick a very progressive person in tom perez. and i think he is acutely aware of these splits as jane suggested, which is why he picked keith ellison as the vice chair. it would have been like hillary making bernie her running mate. one other thing i think is really important. i think the mayor of south bend, indiana, emerged as a real future leader of the party in this fight, and his message was, we have to stop looking backward and fighting the old fights, and i think both keith ellison and tom perez are going to be echoing his message from here forward. >> speaking of fighting the old fight, steve phillips, you had an op-ed in "the new york times," and even in your book, "brown is the new white," and this came out before the 2016 election, you were hammering away at the fact that the democratic party needed to sort of change the way it went about

conducting elections and in your "new york times" op-ed you were hammering away at that again. talk about that. what more does the democratic party need to do other than picking a new chairman? >> so, party has to realize that they have in fact a new america majority. this is a minority president not backed by the majority of american people. people of color and progressive whites are, in fact, the majority of people in the country, did not vote for this president, did not even vote for him in those three states -- michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. many more of those people voted third and fourth party, so the democrats stand to put forward a platform that wins back those voters, focuses on those key states. they can move forward a new american majority strategy to take the country back. one of the missing pieces, underappreciated parts of this election, is that all nine officers who are elected yesterday, not just perez and ellison, are either people of

color, women, lgbt, or some combination thereof. so they are running towards people of color not away from them nam's a very encouraging positive start. >> i think one of the challenges -- i agree with you, but i think one of the challenges for the democratic party going forward, when we look at the gop and donald trump, whatever we may think of his message, we understand what it is. he's very anti-immigrant. he's very pro law enforcement. we can sum up easily his message has been very clear, at times simplistic. that is a challenge for the democratic party, to say what is their message. we know what their message is to specific groups when you're talking about people who care about the environment or black livest matter of immigration reform, but what is the overaveraging message? that's the hardest thing when you have such a big tent, to get a message that works for all, not just for identity politics or subgroups but for all so people don't feel that sense of division under the tent. they really feel that we are run

one. >> like they're being listened to and not ignored. e.j., as i was listening to raul, i think one of the things the party is going to have to gram with is should it become the party of no in the way that the republican party was for president obama for the full eight years, given that president trump is somebody who has truly energized, not just the democratic party but just americans around the country, should the democrats on capitol hill just become the party of no for whatever president trump wants to do? >> to the extent that the republican agenda is to repeal as much as possible or maybe almost everything that will barack obama did, being the party of no actually means being the party of yes to the obama agen agenda. so i think there is kind of an affirmation there they still stand for what happened. i think what's interesting about

perez is he is the first latino chair, a dominican american, but he was also secretary of labor. and he was a very progressive secretary of labor. and i think that this notion that you have to choose between a minority strategy or standing up for working-class people, whether white, black, latino or any other color, that's a false choice because much of the working class is latino and african-american, and i think perez has the possibility of bridging that argument and saying, you know, let's put aside that division and talk about what we can do for all working people wo who really have been hammered over a long tithe period of time in this economy. >> a lot of people forget when you hear working class you shouldn't automatically think white working class. a lot of the working class is black and brown. jane, how can the party harness the activism and the anger that is out there on the streets and move it into the democratic

party where it not only energizes and mobilizes folks on capitol hill to do what folks in the party want it to do, but gets people into the party to actually run in races and serve in the public sector themselves? >> there's a couple things we can do as democrats. one, we definitely believe we all do better when we all do better. i think one of the things that we have to remember is that state parties are the key to all of this, that we are the ones who understand what's happening at the ground, we have our ear to the ground, we know xa what candidates are on the bench that could run for higher office. i'm hoping perez invests in state parties again because the reality is the dnc has been centralized in d.c. and on the coast and that's why we are losing elections up and down the ballot in all of our states and we're not able to field good candidates for governor and senate. one of the things we need to do and that i'm already doing as chair of nebraska and i know allied chairs in hawaii and oregon and minnesota and

wisconsin are doing as well, we're holding meetings inside the party with the indivisible groups, the women's groups, the our revolution groups, making sure they know they have a seat at the table. a lot of them actually ran for different offices and caucus in our state party, and i know that's happening across the country. that is critical. whack not happen is state parties continue to be this insular old way of thinking and doing. we are progressives. we are in the streets. and we have to meet voters where they are and that means that they're marching, they're holding raucous town halls so we have to know that we support them and we want them to run for state party positions as well as local offices. >> steve, final question to you. like we said at the top, the first thing tom perez did as chairman was make congressman ellison his deputy. what's the next sort of technical thing you think the democratic party chair should do to institute what tom perez told

me was needed in the democratic party and that was a culture shift within the party? >> there's two critical pieces he needs to do. staffing and then strategy. in this past election, all the people responsible for spending the billion and a half dollars on the progressive side were white. there were no people of color at that table. who's the executive director, the political deck or the? are they coming out of the communities and comprise half of the democratic coalition? the other part is strategy. are we going to continue to waste all this money on paid television ads? are we going to put people on the ground working in conjunction with people leading the resistance, in the communities. we need not just a 50 state strategy but a 50 county strategy in the ten states we lost by single digits and have permanent ongoing organizing that is connected to the drive and energy of the resistance. >> well said. raul, e.j., and steve will all be back. thank you, jane, for coming back today. jane kleeb, chairman of the nebraska democratic party.

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the trump administration is expected to roll out a new travel ban executive order this week, but its first immigration ban has already hit another snag. on friday, the associated press published a draft document from the department of homeland security titled "citizenship likely an unreliable indicator of terrorist threats to the united states." the three-page report directly contradicts donald trump's january 29th travel ban, which focused on seven muslim majority countries noting that few people from the countries trump listed have carried out attacks or have been involved in terrorism-related activities in the u.s. sincere ya's civil war started in 2011. the white house says the draft

document is incomplete and not based on the best available information. back with me is attorney raul reyes and joining me now is omar jagwatt, director of the aclu's immigrations right project. thank you for being here. i want to throw out the department of homeland security's response through the associated press that came out on friday. it said the document you're referencing was commentary from a single intelligence source versus an official, robust document with thorough interagency sourcing. the report does not include data from other intelligence community sources. it is incomplete. p what's going on here, omar? >> they've decided to double down on their original strategy of imposing a muslim ban and they're trying to dress it up in some kind of window dressing that suggests it has some kind of actual intelligence value. a couple problems with that. first of all, they're doing it in reverse. if they were trying to do the right thing, actually trying to figure out what the security

issues are, how we can address them, and then move from there into a policy, that's the consequence we would be seeing bum that's not the sequence that's happening. the sequence is they did this seven-country ban, they decided to redo a seven-country ban, and as we can see now they're trying desperately to get some kind of factual support after the fact for the idea that that makes any sense. and what's even worse is what they're get back from the agencies is an indication that it doesn't make any sense and they're trying to sweep that under the rug, probably desperately trying to get additional reports that now contradict this report. but, you know, this will not work. this isn't going to fool the public, certainly. it's not going to fool the courts. they'll be back in the same pot of mess that they were in, you know, two weeks ago. >> that's what i was going to ask, is this going to fool the courts? >> no. >> because the ninth circuit was like, no, unanimous what they were trying to do before was just unconstitutional.

>> right. the way they're doing it, you mentioned the word backwards. i keep telling people that's the key word here, backwards. they started out with a position and then they instructed the departments, come up with data and policies to support this. that's not how it works. their problem is because they're lockd into into this position, there are some st. pamall fixes could make, maybe including more countries, narrowed the scope of the ban, different things that maybe it would pass the test. meanwhile you have people like steven miller saying to the press the new version is going to be the same as the old version, just a few technical fixes. those combined with the statements from donald trump and rudy giuliani will trail after this version too. the ninth circuit court they said this outside evidence, evidence of intent that was outside just the written text of the law, was admissible, so they are undercutting themselves even now with this muslim ban 2.0. >> is this -- it sounds to me what they're doing, given your

two answers, is they're trying to fulfill a campaign promise that maybe they know they can never fulfill but it just looks like they're doing something to placate the base? or can they really be -- they can't possibly think they are going to succeed in getting this thing through. just given the ninth circuit, given what we're talking about here. it doesn't seem rational to me that they're going to succeed in implementing this so-called travel ban. >> i think what we have seen from this administration already is a robust disregard for the courts. right? >> that's true. >> so it's completely in keeping with the notion that they don't have to pay attention to the constitution, to the courts to legality, and they can just keep going back to the well and trying to do it over and over again. so i wouldn't say it's just, you know, kind of knowingly going down a futile path. i think they probably really don't appreciate the role that the courts have to play and the

role that the law and the constitution have to play in constraining their actions. >> let's provide a little context here. the dhs memo had a breakdown, and this comes from the associated press, says of 82 people the government determined were inspired by a foreign terrorist group to carry out or try to carry out an attack in the united states, just over half were u.s. citizens born in the united states. the others were from 26 countries. of these, only somalia and iraq were among the seven nations included in the ban. as i've written many times, if the trump administration wanted to safeguard the united states from countries that inspire terrorism, why aren't france and belgium on the list? >> exactly. >> the two big attacks that we've seen in the last year, paris and brussels, were done by french and belgian nationals. >> or why isn't saudi arabia on

that list? again, because they stake this whole thing on national security, that argument is again -- and the lack of evidence to support sit going to follow them into the next round of lawsuits. that's pretty much a given. i think it's safe to say no matter what they come out with there will be -- it will probably be rolled out kay ottawaally and because of the uncertainty and i'm 99% positive there will be a lawsuit. but jonathan, i think the mistake some people may be making looking at this is we ire trying to look at it in terms of a normal administration. you used the word rational. that's not thousand hay roll. they are throwing this out there. they're not taking the usual input or gif'ing the usual rad for input from all the different agencies involved. they're starting with the policy and in an almost autocratic way instructing them, fix it, get it out there, do it. >> they're so focussed on terrorism coming from out there, they're not focused on homegrown

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donald trump announced via tweet saturday afternoon he will not attend the white house correspondents dinner. if he can really resist the lure of one of washington's biggest party, he will be the first president in more than 30 years to skipt the dinner. why would the president skip a night of black-tie schmoozing with celebrities and roasting the press? well, we don't really know. but it might have something to do with his poll numbers. brand-new "wall street journal"/nbc news poll released this morning shows just 44% of americans approve of the job

trump is doing and 48% disapprove. it's a record low for a new president. he is the first in the history of modern polling to start his term with a net negative approval rating. not even close. a net negative 4% approval compared to obama's net positive 34% approval rating at the beginning of his presidency. when you break it down by political affiliation, something interesting happens. 86% of democrats disawe prove of the job trump is doing and only 9% approve, while republicans are the exact opposite. but here the key number. among independents, 47% disapprove and only 36% approve, meaning trump is under water by 11 points among those voters. the poll also shows that, like the president, many are not pleased with the job the press is doing. 51% of voters say the media has been too critical of trump, and 53% agreed that, quote, the news media and other elites are

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there's been a report out that 48 bomb threats have been made against jewish centers across the country in the last couple weeks. there are people committing ant anti-semitic acts or threatening to -- >> he said he was going to ask a simple, easy question, and it's not. it's not. not a simple question. not a fair question. okay. sit down. i understand the rest of your question. quiet, quiet, quiet. he lied about he was going to get up and ask a straight, simple question. so, you know, welcome to the world of the media. >> that was drumpb ten days ago silencing a jewish reporter attempting to ask a question about dozens of bomb threats

phoned into jewish community centers across the country in recent weeks. those threats are part of a wave of anti-semitic incidents that have swept the country since trump's election including a jewish cemetery in st. louis where more than 100 headstones were vandalized on monday. after several jewish organizations criticized trump's response to the attacks, he finally got around to making his first public condemnation of the anti-semitic incidents during a tuesday visit to the national museum of african-american history and culture. >> the anti-semitic threats targeting our jewish community and community centers are horrible and are painful and a very sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil. >> joining me now are jonathan greenblatt, ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league, and richard cohen, president of the southern

poverty law center. thank you for coming in. before we have our discussion, let's take a listen to steve bannon, senior counselor to the president of the united states. >> it's not only not going to get beshgts it's going to get worse. the internal logic makes sense. they're corporatist, globe list media that are adamantly opposed -- adamantly opposed to an economic nationalist agenda like donald trump has. now here is the response from the ann frank senter from its director, steven goldstein. he said, "globalists and corporate media, these are code words of anti-semitism and when they're used by a man with an anti-semitic history such as steve bannon, you'd have to be living in the stone age not to connect the dots." this is part of the problem here is that we have someone so close to the president who holds these

views and as a result of that, the president, who should step out there and condemn these things hasn't or hasn't. >> look, when the president -- his first statement to the country was he was going to heal the wounds of division. the problem is he's never taken responsibility for opening those wounds himself. he's always been a day late and a dollar short in his denunciations. >> jonathan? >> look, the president of the united states has not just a political responsibility. he has a moral leadership. and we expect more from the president. a that's why we were worried about the surge of hate crimes without a response. the averted mass murder in a synagogue in south carolina. the fbi averted that attack. finally the president said something last week, butwy don't need words bolted on to the end of a speech. we need action, and that's what

we're still waiting for. >> what action specifically do you want? would you love to see? >> it's long overdue to convene an interagency task force to look at the rise of semitism. we want a fully resourced investigation by the department of justice. we'd like to see the fbi, which by the way is doing great work to respond to these incident ts, jonathan, but we'd like the fbi to emphasize training for law enforcement on these issues. and i would also say that the department of education, they've got a role to play. anti-bias and anti-hate education for kids makes a difference. let's emphasize that. >> you just mentioned the department of justice, and it made me wonder how much confidence do you have that attorney general jeff sessions has the sensitivity to do what you ask, which comes naturally to you, but do you think it comes naturally to him?

>> look, senator sessions, attorney general sessions, has a regrettable record on civil rights. he's also been a champion of some of the worst extremist groups in the country. i wish that he would step away from them. i wish he would exercise the kind of moral leadership that jonathan is talking about. but i doubt it. it's not this his core. >> what about exercising this moral leadership? where's congress? where are other republicans coming out and saying this is wrong and demanding that the president, who's a member of their own party, speak um, stand up, and say something? >> there are some who have said things. paul yin has said things in the past that have been important. there are many members of congress. just this past week, mike pence went to the cemetery with the governor and participated in an interfaith -- it was a great moment. he spoke on friday at the republican jewish coalition in las vegas. the question is, why is it so hard for the president to step forward? and, again, when will we see a

plan of action? >> speaking of vice president pence, let's show whooo he had to say in st. louis. >> we condemn this vile act of violence and those who perpetrated it in the strongest possible terms. stoo again, goes to your question, why can't we hear those words, the spontaneous words come from the president of the united states? when i saw that and and another moment when vice president pence, he went to st. louis, spoke about this, it seems like vice president pence is the man doing taut presidential things, sort of natural -- there it is on the screen. when barack obama was president, whenever anything happened, people were like where is the president, why suspect he here? here we have troubling things happening around the country and the president not only going there, he's not even saying anything. >> it's a pattern.

we have general mattis making statements that contradict the president, secretary tillerson that making statements that contradict the president, vice president pence. >> secretary kelly. >> exactly. we need leadership from the top and trump hasn't done it yet. >> as richard alluded to earlier, during the campaign we saw the anti-semites celebrate the campaign and saw this anti-semitism and the bigotry move from the margins to the mainstream. it's baffling we're talking about this morning and haven't seen a robust statement from the white house, not only on the anti-semitism but as you noted earlier, two indian immigrants were shot in a bar outside kansas city, one killed the other wounded. he has a wife who's five months pregnant. we need the white house to step up and say there is no place for hate in america, and here's what we're going to do to stop it. >> the last point, you know, the

american public, most people have goodness in their hearts. after a mosque was burned in victoria, texas, the jewish community will, the christian churches, all opened their doors to them. in four hours they raised a million dollars. america deserves a president as good as the heart of its people and we don't have that now. >> you see anti-sesmtism coming from the right and sometimes the left, from all directions this isn't a political issue or a partisan matter. it's a question of principle and conscience. >> even though the president of the united states doesn't see fit to speak immediately and forcefully against these things as you mentioned, richard, the american people, when these things happen, the true american character comes out. thank you both, jonathan greenblatt and richard cohen. in our next hour, it's oscar night and the nominations aren't so white. and will donald trump face a moment like this when he addresses congress?

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great american life with shared behaviors, belief, and manners. i call it, as do many of you, american exceptionalism. >> milwaukee county sheriff and trump supporter david clark closed thoutd year's sea pac to great applause. but earlier there was an investigation into the dehydration death of an inmate in clark's jail last year, one of four inmates to die in just six months. donald trump has made a big show of supporting law enforcement and has empowered new attorney general jeff sessions to dramatically shift the federal government's approach to policing. it all begs the question, how does one manage reform in the age of trump? the president of the center for policing equity just received a $5 million grant from google to help answer that question and he joins me now. phillip, tell us about this grant, first. >> we're very excited about it. on november 9th, one of the

things that became true after the election was that criminal justice reform in the minds of many policymakers and the minds of many folks who were doing civil liberties went from the number-one domestic policy to the number five domestic policy issue beprotests in climate change, reproduction rights. the huge investment america has made in criminal justice reform in the last six years, we can't walk away from that because all the civil rights violations will be give on the law enforcement to enact. most folks within law enforcement don't want to be doing that, right spop the grant from google allows us to scale up our capacity to collect data from police departments who want to know what they're doing, who want to know what the sort of racial temperature is in their city, and provide them with the kind of roadmap to do better at engaging with communities. it keeps communities safer and it keeps officers safer. >> this motion that because president trump is out there --

actually, lease play element one of president trump at sea pac on friday. >> we're checking off the promises we made to the people of the united states one by one. lot of promises. and we will not stop until the job is done. we will reduce your taxes. we will cut your regulations. we will support our police. we will defend our flag. >> that line, we will support our police mainstay of his which from the campaign trail, and judging by the applause that he usually gets for that line, you would think that law enforcement, too, would be like, yeah, the president is going to allow us to do our jobs. but given the last apps you just gave us, law enforcement sees criminal justice reformer, policing reform as an asset, not a liability. >> yeah. so if i say that i want to support a group of people, i

probably have to talk to them and listen to what their concerns are. if you want to support, for instance, the city of chicago, which is a frequent talking point, publicly in terms of a crisis in public safety, it would help to be responsive when the superintendent of chicago says please, federal government, we want your help. and here's how we want it. we have problems enforcing our gun laws, and we have problems making is that your the young men of chicago have jobs. the federal government can step in on that. the summit has asked for federal help and has expressed his frustration at not hearing back while he remains a talking point. >> to your point about chicago, we have this full screen, trump mentioned chicago's violence again. police say they hope the president finally sends help nap's from "the washington post" on friday. we've already shown that. and then chicago's top cop shows frustration, then anger, over slow-moving gun legislation. that was from the "chicago tribune" on friday. you know, when do you think we're going to get from the point of the president tweeting

about chicago or talking about chicago usually to predominantly white audiences and then actually go to chicago, do something, be in partnership with chicago? >> i wish i had an answer to that question. i can say instead of waiting on the federal government to do things, what we've shown this the last month plus is the power of america's people's voice does matter. if i want to support a group of people, i have to listen to them. one of the areas i think is underexplored in the space of criminal justice reform, how about the voices of those who are victims of crime? the alliance for safety and justice recently put out a report that is a tremendous report asking victims of crime, whose who have the best rms to want to be punitive, to say let's lock people up, i want law and order, i want toughness, what they say overwhelmingly by a 15-1 margin, 15-1, is that they'd rather have investment in education than more punitiveness, by a 10-1 margin

they'd rather have jobs than punitive and by a 3-1 margin they'd rather the people who victimized them not have to go to jail. if we're talking about making sure that people feel safer, we should listen to the people who feel least safe and that's why the national justice database, that's what we got our money from google and what your partnership is about, we're listening to communities who say we want to know how good or bad is it and where do we go to fix it. by the way, the national justice database, it was started when the chiefs came to us, when chiefs from major cities said, we need to know this and we want a parter in we can trust. let's bring in the justice nerds, right, and figure out how we get a gps for how to fix these sets of problems. there is a less divided nation out there, particularly when it comes to the very fundamental issues of living a safe life. the communities and law enforcement who are sworn to protect them understand that cooperation and compliance with

the law begins with trust in it and not fear of it and that the road forward does not include terrorizing any group of people that are living here, because places that are scared to call the police are places that crime can flourish, which is why major citi cities' chiefs, the international association of chiefs of police, has said we do not want municipal law enforcement doing immigration enforcement because it damages the fundamental trust else in to get people to report a crime. how hard is it for you to tell on your brother or your neighbor to begin with, much less if you fear what's going to ham to you? these are the steps i'm hoping we see a federal government take, but i don't think it's interesting for any of us to have to wait. the people can express this as a voice, and when the people speak i will say that our employees tend to listen. >> there is no need for me to guild that lily with another question. phillip, thank you very much. congratulations on the grant from google. how much is it again? >> $5 million. coming up, on tuesday, donald trump will address congress. we'll preview that.

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the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> you lie! >> that's not true. >> that stunning comment during president obama's september 2009 address to a joint session of congress came from republican congressman joe wilson of south carolina. but this week we'll be hearing from the president who has a reputation for making stuns and often false comments, when donald trump delivers his first joint address to congress on tuesday. according to politico, trump's speech the being written by white house adviser steven miller, the man behind the american carnage inauguration address. white house aides say that this speech will be light on the carnage and heavy on trump taj mahal casino -- trumpeting his promises and painting his rocky

first 40 days as success. after a month of the president largely going it alone ep acting policy by executive order, trump is also expected to turn his focus to the list of legislation he wants congress to bring to his desk. joining me now, eric boller, senior fellow for media matters, "washington post" opinion writer jennifer rubin, and msnbc contributor and "washington post" columnist e.j. dion. welcome, all. i just want to take a survey of the three of you. how likely is it that we are going to get an address from president trump that will be high on flourishes and imagery of america, a speech that will buoy us and lift us and make us feel that the state of the union, even though this isn't a state of the union, is strong? e.j., i'm going to start with you. >> well, you know, the white house is saying -- suggesting that this is going to be more optimistic than the inaugural

address. of course it will be because the inaugural address was a cross between a dirge and a horror show. i think they'll have a hard time making the first month look great but i have no doubt they're going to try. i think what's going to be interesting is does he give us any specifics on what he wants to replace obamacare with. does he give us any specifics on the infrastructure proposal. he's talked about it and talked about it, but all we have is this kind of tax cut plan from the campaign. and i think that we could have sort of another bet here, which is what's the over/under on whether he can't resist leaving the script and talking about what a big landslide he won in the election. >> e.j., we all know that that's going to happen. he's going to talk about his landslide, the crowds, and he's going to talk about fake news and beat up on the press. >> well, i wonder, you know,

it's interesting because he did stick to script on the inaugural address. does he have the discipline to stick to script on this speech an and if the republicans get loud and really cheer him a lot, he might be tempted to go off. >> jennifer, that's the thing about president trump. he feeds off the applause or the boos or the cheers or the jeering of a crowd. and what we're going to see, as we've always seen with every joint session speech, half the room is for the guy and the other half isn't. >> that's right. we'll see if the democrats try to bait him with booing or outburst or whatever. e.j. raises a great point, which is specifics. we were already warned not to expect any specifics, and there's a reason for that. he has no specifics. he keeps talking about, well, the obamacare replacement plan is done, oh, the tax plan is ready to go. this is nonsense. he has nothing. and right now congress is in

complete disarray on both obamacare and the tax plan. i would be surprised if he gives specifics in that area. i think he'll talk in the same generalities, we'll give you something on health care that's better, cheaper, that's bigger, shinier, newer, with very few details because of course there's nothing that will meet all those criteria. i think there will be generalities, i think he will beat up on the press and i think he'll tout a lot of his immigration stuff, whether it's the wall or the new deportation rates. that's very big with his base. i think we'll hear a lot of that. >> eric, what are you expecting to hear from president? >> i think it will be a dumpster fire, and i don't mean that in a partisan sense. i wish he would give a serious speech so we could have an honest debate about immigration and education. but they don't govern. we have these manufactured cry cease about mexicans, immigrants, the media, and so

this is kind of a way to create these monumental distractions. look, the problem for the speech for the press is going to be monumental, right. there's going to be a laundry list of falsehoods even if it is a more formal type of a speech. steven miller is writing it. it will be filled with falsehoods. the perez, we are so far beyond the point trump gaifs speech and then we fact check and that's kind of what we're supposed to do. i think that was okay for the summer of 2015. we are in a crisis at this point. we are in a crisis of governing. we are in a crisis of the free press. and i think the media really needs to point out that we have a president who eventually is a pathological liar and surrounded by people who are also committed liars. >> e.j., eric uttered interesting phrase, crisis of governing. we've shown this before but the

new poll with president trump's approval at 44%, disaprooufprov 48%. and element five where he we showed the breakdown in terms of party where the democrats and republicans are reverse images of each other with democrats giving him an 86% dils approvsa and republicans giving him an 86% approval but the key is independents because as i can remember we all look at that number of independents and right now 47% of them dilssapprovdisa. how is it possible for the president to govern and republicans on capitol hill to govern when 47% of independents disapprove of his job performance and the chaotic nature of what's coming out of the white house gives no confidence that any kind of normalcy or governing will take hold? >> right. i think that independent number is the important number in that poll. and i think it speaks to something that chris hayes talked about the other day,

which is that donald trump is governing not as the president of the united states but as the president of republicans. and that's what came out of that speech to sea pac. as a political matter, the fact is trump can probably hang onto power as long as republican members of congress look at that poll and say we don't want to face primaries, we don't want to face opposition in our party, so we are going to cling to trump. but to the extent that he does govern as a very part zan figure and a very unusual kind of conservative really an economic nationalist and other aspects of conservativism that certainly aren't reaganite, a lot of those independents are just going to say what is in this for me? and that by the way is why i'm glad the democrats picked former governor steve bashir to reply to trump, because, a, we're not going to have speculation about

how did a candidate for the next election do in his state of the union, that's a waste of time right now. bubba sheer is from a state where obamacare worked very well. he did a good job with obamacare pimt seems to me it shows how much democrats want to focus on a defense of obamacare and to raise practical questions about how many people in red states will lose insurance if obamacare is repealed. >> you know, jennifer, e.j. gives a very rational argument in terms of what the democrats can do and should do in terms of pushing back against president trump. but as he noted, chris hayes said that it seems as though president trump is trying to be president of republicans. i mean, does it matter what democrats do in response to president trump? because it seems to me that nothing that they can do will

impact anything he does or how he thinks about doing things. >> i think it does matter. one way is they have helped to moabi mobile itz these turnouts at town halls and i think republicans are coming to a religion slightly. they realize that people are very angry and that they don't have answers for these people, how much health care they'll get, whether it will be better or worse than what they have under a the affordable care act. number one, they have the ability i think to reach back into the districts of these members who -- most of whom will be on the ballot in 2018, all the congressmen, and third of the senators, and i think they have the ability to really pummel him, we haven't talked about that much, on a lot of the ethics things, a lot of the scandal things. the polling shows the people want the president to reveal his taxes, they're concerned about the russia issue, they're concerned about the e poll utilities issue. i think he's brushed this off,

has a lot of the perez running around. frankly, when you have someone like darrell issa, the sort of inquisitor general on the republican side, calling for an independent prosecutor for this president, i think something is taking hold and i think if the democrats focus on first of all defend ong the specifics, forcing trump to come fort worth specifics, and secondly, really hammering him on the ethics and on the constitutional issues, they will make some headway. >> do you think, eric, they'll make headway? nigh think the key point is independents and yes, i think people are discouraged, trump gets to do whatever he wants because he has 90% approval from republicans, but that's not true. 37% support of independents one month into your presidency, that's unheard of. if he's in the twemts come the summer, the rest of the republican party will see that and be less willing to put their entire reputation on the line for this guy, particularly if this perception of chaos

continues for month after month. >> eric, what about -- the perception of chaos, but then jennifer brought up the demonstrations, what's happening at the town halls, and what i'm fascinated by is we are a month into the trump presidency. there have been protests sort of every weekend and sporadically, various days, every day of his presidency. how long do you think that that energy and anger and activism will continue? and can it continue long enough for the democratic party to capitalize on it and turn it into electoral victory somehow? >> i think it will because it's in direct proportion to his actions. if there was a lull in terms of the craziness coming out of the white house, the inco-heerps, this radical agenda, i think the resistance would kind of calm down. but we had a domestic flight this week from san francisco to new york where people had to show their papers to get off a domestic flight. >> i saw that.

>> people are shokd on a daily basis, i think. seitz going to continue as long as people are outraged. >> before we go, i have to ask you all, you know, the president let it be known he will not be going to nerd prom this year, the white house kor responsibility dents' dinner. i will not be attending the dinner this year. please wish everyone well and have a great evening. that's sort of like the nasty gram he sent me with the best wishes, donald trump. he hates the press. deride the press as fake news. how big a deal is this? or is this just too much inside beltway media naval gazing? >> i think this dinner in and of itself usually does not have major political repercussions and doesn't stand for anything other than a nerd prom. this year it did. i think frankly the dinner should have been canceled a while ago when trump announced he was going to wage war with the press meeps trying to destroy the free press in this country. that's not the scenario you want to invite trump in and have

laughs and have drinks. i don't think it looks good for anybody that the point. >> e.j., jennifer, real quick? your take. >> i agree it's totally an insider washington thing. but i think that the dinner had become untenable. trump actually may have done the white house correspondents' association a favor. maybe they'll invite obama and george w. bush to do aduet, a reprieve from the past. >> that would be great. jennifer? >> i'm looking forward to having actually alec baldwin as donald trump coming because they can certainly get under his skin. so perhaps we can sake "saturday night live" to new levels and drive him into a complete tailsp tailspin. >> you know, and we should keep something in mind, that the white house correspondents' association dinner isn't just an excuse for the press to get together in black tie at the washington hilton, but it is actually a fund-raising dinner for scholarships for aspiring journalists, so we need to keep that in mind. it's not just only a fancy dinner.

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it's a privilege to be here today. this museum is a beautiful tribute to so many american heroes. heroes like sojourner truth, harriet tubman, frederick douglass, booker t. washington, rosa parks, the greensboro students, and the african-american medal of honor recipients among so many other really incredible heroes. president trump was effusive after his first visit to the national museum of

african-american history and culture on tuesday. according to trump supporter alveta king, the niece of dr. martin luther king, trump was particularly moved when he saw a slave auction block during the museum tour. king told "the atlanta journal constitution," she overheard trump say, "boy, that is just not good. that is not good." and when he saw a set of shablgs used to restrain enslaved children, king says the president responded, "that is really bad." jennifer rubin is back with me and also joining me now steve phillips, author of "brown is the new white." okay. i can't -- the president's visit to the museum was really quite something. i want to play element two of trump -- president trump at the museum. >> today and every day of my presidency, i pledge to do everything i can to continue

that promise of freedom for african-americans and for every american. this tour is a meaningful reminder of why we have to fight bigotry, intolerance, and hatred in all of its very ugly forms. >> and before i get you to respond, let's play element one of president trump and what he has said in the past to african-americans. >> you're living in poverty. your schools are no good. you have no jobs. 58% of your utsunomiya is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose?youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> we'll get rid of the crime. you'll be able to walk down the street without getting shot. right now you walk down the street, you get shot. >> beneed safer communities and we'll do that with law enforcement. we're going to make it safe. much better than it is right now. right now it's terrible. steve, given those views that we just heard, how is that pledge

that the president gave at the african-american history museum ever going to be fulfilled? >> well, it's not going to be. the whole thing is ridiculous. the lack of self-awareness is astounding. if you walk through an african-american history museum, he talks about harriet tubman and the underground rd and does not really realize that he will be in future museums at the president who unleashed the federal government through the department of homeland security to round up people and put them in chains and send them out of the country through his immigration policies, which are necessitating a modern underground railroad to be able to get away from that. makes no connection between the policies that he benefitted from, policies of discrimination, as well as the history of free labor that was proo provided to this country, and the current situation of the racial wealth gap where african-american families have $11,000 in assets and whites have $130,000 in assets. the whole thing is ridiculous on

its face. >> jennifer, the question i'm going to ask you is actually the headline from the piece you wrote about the president's trip to the museum. what did trump learn at the african-american museum? >> nothing. he is without empathy and i think without focus. first of all, the remarks he gave sounded like they were written before the museum and reflected nudge of the themes and none of the importance, the beauty, the richness of that museum, which is phenomenal. it's not about individual heroes. it's about the sweep of african-american history and american history. and every time he says something like "the blacks," he doesn't understand what that museum is about. it's about the intertwining, the dual stories of american african-americans that put together one thread in america. when he talks about you all are getting shot, you have no schools, he hasn't learned from that museum, which tells the tale of the rise of the black

middle class along with the hardships. when he says things like it should be a states rights on transgender bathrooms, he paid no attention obviously during the civil rights portions when states rights had a specific meaning. so i think he is completely without empathy. i think he's completely without understanding. and i suspect that he really got nothing out of this. what is even more disturbing is that the people who he has surrounded himself with are people who are in essence white nationalists. let's face it. that's what steve bannon is. let's face it, that's what steven miller is. he's infamous for really sort of making up nonsense arguments about immigrants in order to demonize them. i think it's a tragedy, it's a farce. and i think it would be very helpful if some republicans would start denouncing this. whistling through the graveyard on, that but it would be help r helpful with some of those voices sounded and explain to

the president exactly why he is so offensive and why his policies are so offensive to so many americans. >> there are voting percentages that i have to ask you about. in 2012, mitt romney got 6% of the african-american vote to president obama's 93% of the african-american vote. in 2016, president trump did two points better than mitt romney. he got 8% of the african-american vote. now, that is anemic, but how is it possible that someone who speaks in such a way about the african-american community -- because i'm not going to say to the african-american community because all those segments we showed of the president talking about african-americans were done to predominantly white audiences -- how is it possible that president trump was actually able to do better among african-americans than mitt romney?

>> right. and your last point is correct, too, that this is not about african-americans. this is about sending a signal to white voters that he's not against black people so they can be more comfortable with him. in terms of the first part about how he did do better, there actually has not been enough attention paid to the role of sexism and misogyny within the election. and so you see the results, even within the different communities of color, that there's a significant gender gap, and so african-american women were about 93%, 94% for hillary clinton. the drop-off came along african-american men. and that's an uncomfortable reality, but it's something we have to face within the communities of color. >> and so then how can the president realistically and convincingly reach out to the african-american community in a way where folks realize actually, you know, he is speaking to us in and looking out for our best interests in

the same way he's doing for everyone else? jennifer? and steven, you'll get the last word. >> yeah. i don't think it's possible, frankly, because he doesn't believe it and he has no policies i think that are of any interest to them. i think the one area that he could potentially do some good would be to talk about school choice and education reform that does adversely affect minorities and support children in general. that might be one area in which he could offer something. but besides that, i don't see very much. >> steve? >> well, it's not possible. jennifer used the phrase white nation nationalism, and that's what this presidency is built upon the pillars of, racism, my someny, and xenophobia, so anything that involves empowering or embracing or respecting people of color crumble his foundation so he won't do anything for people of color and we should not expect him to. >> jennifer will stick around. thank you, steve phillips, awe thr of "brown is the new white." up next, whether the skosca

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tonight's the night. the debates are over, the ballots have been cast. tonight america will know who won. each of the more than 20 oscar categories at the 89th annual academy awards. tonight we expect there to be an additional, though unofficial category, best sociopolitical commentary. the competition is expected to be stiff. after all, this is the first show after the oscar's so white critique of years prior and one month into the so far tumultuous fine-tuned machine that is the trump presidency. this year's host, abc's jimmy kimmel, has a lot on his mind. this week the associated press asked him how political he might get tonight. he answered, "i'm not sure how to answer that question. i mean, will donald trump be mentioned by me and during the show?

absolutely. how much i'm not sure yet. it kind of depend on what's happening that day, you know?" we do know. here's what's going on. on friday, trump spoke at the conservative political action conference where he repeated his claim that the media is, quote, the eny of the people. he also said this about immigrants, the wall, and a i.c.e. raids. >> we are getting the bad ones out. these are bad dudes. >> saturday, while trump continued to pedal his legally contested travel ban, the syrian cinematographer behind the oscar nominated documentary "the white helmet" was denied entry to the united states despite his visa for tonight's ceremony. according to the app, the department of homeland security says it found, quote, derogatory information about him. and on friday, directors of the nominees for best foreign language film issued an unprecedented statement against the climate of fanaticism and nationalism in america. so there's plenty of material for tonight. and my panel will weigh in next.

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will the president be watching? if there's a may recall stream kind of moment -- meryl streep kind of moment, how will he react? why do you think this happens at awards ceremony? >> why do i think what happens? >> actresses and actors like meryl streep -- >> i have no idea. it's a free country. i think hollywood is noup known for being rather far to the left in its opinions, and i've got to be honest with you, i think the president will be hosting the governor's ball that night. >> the 89th academy awards are tonight at 8:30 and things are already getting political. raul reyes is back with me. joining me now, amber payne, managing editor of nbc blk, and chris witherspoon. so the president is going to be hosting the governors at the white house, starts around 6:00,

6:30, so he probably won't be watching the oscars live. but how likely is it that we're going to get no reaction from president trump? anyone jump in. this is an all-in. >> that's a trick question. it's -- he can't help himself but weigh in. but i think it's going to be a question of who's going to give the speech. is meryl streep going to have that moment again? we're definitely going to see political speeches tonight. >> it's part of -- at this point it's part of the formula. we've seen it at the s.a.g. awards, at the producers guild awards, and this is the biggest platform of all. aside from the convictions people have, people know these are the moments that go viral that could really elevate someone if done it in the right way. absolutely we'll see political speeches. it reflects the culture. that's where we are. >> let's take a listen since you two have already mentioned meryl streep. let's hear from her herself. >> so hollywood is crawling with outsiders and foreigners, and if

we kick 'em all out, you'll have nothing to watch but football and mixed martial arts, which are not the arts. >> and in response to that, president trump sent out a tweet saying, "meryl streep, one of the most overrated ak tretdss in hollywood, doesn't know me but attacked last night at the golden globes. she is a" dot, dot, dot. how likely is it that president trump won't do that to whomever says whatever at the oscars tonight? >> she didn't even say his name, which was brilliant. she talked about this person. it is the most watched event in the world for entertainment. 225 countries. i think if someone does call him out by name, you might see him turn to twitter and, you know, say something, do some lashback. >> about someone. every year it's always oh my god, the political speeches at the oscars, they have no place

there. at least there are some people who think that's not the venue for that. actors have something to say. they have a role to play in the country. should we get all freaked out and twisted because an actor decides to use that moment when they've got a global platform to say what they think? >> they should use that moment. we have on the athlete side, colin kaepernick taking his knee, taking his stand. this is a time where people who have this platform, who have this voice should speak out about political issues, social issu issues. when viola davis gave her last speech, she really spoke out about being a black woman in that position and having that privilege. >> it happened before the oscars. look at marlon brando years ago when he won best actor award for the godfather. he had a native american go up and take the award. michael moore in 2002 calling out george bush. this is the biggest stage.

>> this year especially because we have a very diverse group of nominees and we have some films that have a lot of diversity the in their themes i think more so you have movies like "moonlight," with an lgbt theme or some african-american pictures with so many african-american actor, these are people who are traditionally marginalized from the film industry. this is a chance to speak on it. i think at this point also whatever pushback there is, this is part of the reason why people watch the oscars. these are the moments. it's not just who won what. these are moments everyone talks about, the next day, the controversies. >> let's talk about the oscar so white controversy or movement or both where last year it was all about how they're basically no people of color remitted and now we have this actually wonderful confluence of events between oscar's so white and then just a slew of fantastic films and

performances. it's not that hollywood is, you know, sort of buckling under to the pressure and nominating these folks. we've seen some spectacular performances, haven't we. >> this year we have incredible films. three big films nominated for best picture with black actor, six actors for the first time ever in the history of the academy awards being nominated. so i think that we're seeing, you know, like you said an influx of great films but also the academy has made bold steps to bring in more members to embrace diversity. double the number of minorities by bi2020. cheryl boone isaacs took the call of oscar's so white seriously. >> stories of black women getting told. films like "love," the story of mildred loving, responsible for the supreme court case to be struck down for interracial marriage. that's one story that was told. you have viola davis in "fences" playing an incredible turn. you have naomie harris in "moonlight," and so and "hidden

figure," that's a film where real-life stories of black women are being told and they're relevant and they're resonating with people. >> and yet, see, i'm going the rain on everybody's parade, because if you're a la tino, this is not the greatest year at the oscars. there's definitely more diversity this year but for latinos it continues to be real underrepresentation. and to me it's not so much the academy's fault because the academy just reflects the industry. it's really an industry problem. and i think when you look at -- even when we have seen latinos nominated for awards or become successful in conventional hollywood path, people like salma hayek or mexican directors, they tend to be foreign born, from latin america. rarely do we see a mex kanl american, puerto rican, someone of u.s. a la tino descent here achieve a certain level of success nap's something latinos are still pushing on and a lot

of latinos feel frustrated about it. when you look at the numb befr, we know hollywood is about the bottom line, latino where is the segment of the population that overindexes in terms of still going to a movie with a big group, still goes -- so we support the film industry. >> this year will open doors i think for people of color in front of the camera and behind the camera, period. >> amber, let's talk about a movie that just came out called "get out." the review from "new york" magazine in "get out" an exhilaratingly smart and scary freakout about a black man and a white nightmare. laughs come easily and then go in for the kill. let's show a portion of your interview with mr. peel. >> are you trying to make a group of people uncomfortable? >> you know, i mean, i'm not afraid of making people uncomfortable. the up comfortable part is part of what horror is.

it's the way we face the things that make us uncomfortable, the things that make us afraid, and it gives us tools to go on and deal with these fears in the future. >> people are flipping out over this movie about how good it is. is it gory? i want to see it. i want to support brother peele. >> it's like being pliplayed up as a guess who's coming to dinner meets stepford wives. what he did is brilliant and smart, a psychological thriller. he almost is trojan horsing people to get into the theater because it's being marketed as a horror film, but on the other hand, he subverts and gets into a lot of other deeper issues. so once he's got you hooked he's breaking down the white liberal elite, racism of the white liberal elite, debunking the whole postracial america theme, and then he gets into slave and black men and kind of this phenomenon of missing black men

and there's kind of a 21st century slave auction block that takes place, i don't want to give too much away -- >> oh, my god. a lot going on this in this movie. >> you have to see if "13th" first. do your homework on both. >> have you seen it? you're in this world. you see all the movies before we get to see them. >> it es incredible. what's cool about sit the budget. it was made on $4.5 million and right now it's the number-one movie in america. >> $4.5 million? that's like nothing. >> jason and bloomhouse productions also produced "the purge" and a bunch of other horror films and collaborated with jordan on this movie. jordan said he'll have four more social thrillers coming out in the next few years, attack other issues. >> is that the new genre? >> that's what he's calling them, social thrillers.

>> not to put you on the spot, i'm not going to ask for predictions, but what are you looking for tonight in the oscars that will make it a standout night? make it as broad as that. >> diversity. the fact that we have six actors that are nominated for the first time in history. if three black actors win, history will be made, the first time three black actors have won at one award ceremony. >> athletes of color. >> of color. i think "moonlight" might be surprise for best picture. >> that's what i'm looking for also, "moonlight," which i think a lot of people view it as a very niche, very particular type of story line, but if it gets the type of exposure it needs, people will see it's so universal. if a movie like that can win best picture, it would be historic. >> and made from $1.5 million. >> $1.5 million? >> yes. >> oh, man. >> i would love the see "mon light" win, and but i saw "la la land ytsz last night and one

line stk out. they worship everything and value nothing about hollywood. so moonlight or hidden figures may not get its due. "la la land" is controversial. >> at the risk of the "saturday night live" skilt happening again, i saw "la la land," i applauded at the end of that opening number because it was so wild, imaginative, crazy, and fun, and then it just petered out. >> also you go into the theater, thinking it will be this magical amazing thing, and it's tied with "titanic" for the most number of nominations, but i don't see it being that kind of -- 20 years from now. >> all right. i apologize. to the group and america. thank you, raul reyes, amber payne, and chris witherspoons. before we go to break, some sam news from the severe weather tanment world. nbc has confirmed that bill paxton has died from complications from surgery.

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show where my guests predict what the big headlines will be this week. back with me, eric, jennifer and e.j. jennifer, i'm going to start with you. >> the continuing headline now for this presidency is trump at war with the media.

it's going to continue. we saw steve bannon give an inflammatory speech at cpac. we're going to have coverage of the state of the union or the non-state of the union, rather, so i think that battle will heat up. frankly, it's all trump has to do these days is to fight with the media. he's not making progress in any other front. >> e.j.? >> each aspect of the trump and russia story will be big in the news this week, but some aspect of it will be. this is the story depending on where the facts lead us, of course, that has the greatest potential to do the greatest damage to the trump administration, and i think to go to jennifer's point, that is why trump and steve bannon escalated their war on the media. this is a story that they do not like being out there, but it's going to be with us until it's resolved and until we get to the bottom of it. >> eric? >> e.j. read my mind. i think we will continue to see

revelations and specific revelations. we've seen really good reporting whether it's the white house in contact with the fbi and continued revelations about the trump team talking with russian officials during the campaign and again, this really is the drip, drip, drip, right? the trump white house and his advisers haven't been able to answer the russia story for six months. we've seen dozens of stories and revelations. they never have a coherent explanation for anything so, yes, this leads to the war on the media. every time they escalate you can almost draw a straight line to blockbuster reports about trump and russia. this is the story they don't want to go away. this is the story they want to go away that will not and they can't answer it. >> before i get to my headline, why won't they address these issues? i mean, the perfect thing to do would be to sit down like hillary clinton did back in the early days of the clinton administration for the pink press conference as it was called where she sat and answered question after question

after question. why won't they do that? >> if you have the truth on your side? what do you do? you get all of the information out. it could be painful. the benghazi situation. we had three, four, five, six, seven investigations and the obama white house was confident that the truth was on their side. they welcomed all that stuff. if you don't have the truth on your side you wage war with the press. you wage war with the press at briefings and describe them as enemy of the state and bottom line, they can't explain this away. >> i think the other answer -- i agree with that, but i think the other answer to your question is that they're still hoping that republicans in congress won't press them hard. this is where control of both houses of congress really helps trump, but you're seeing a kind of solid republican front break up on this issue. you already had john mccain and lindsay graham and darryl issa who had a very tough election this year has now said there needs to be a special prosecutor. i think the key is do more

republicans in congress say we've got to get to the bottom of this. >> and in the limited time that we have left, my headline is going to be how have donald trump's joint session speech, how much will it deviate from all of the others that came before him. will he go for laughs and will he go for substance? will he go for both? and also, just how long will it last? we're used to president obama or president clinton where they can go on for more than an hour. the inaugural address was how long? 16 minutes? so we could see a joint session speech that is shorter, less substance filled and maybe even funny. i don't know if the american people are ready for that, but we will find out tuesday night at the joint session speech. thank you to eric bowler, jennifer rubin and e.j. dion. that's it for today. joy will be back right here next week. check her out on realtime with bill mauro hbo this friday and next saturday she'll host live

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