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former labor secretary tom perez elected the head of the democratic party. >> where were you in 2017 when we had the worst president in the history of the united states? >> but the party's growing progressive wing is not happy. >> and our brand-new nbc news wall street journal poll. the bad news for president trump, an approval rating at a historic low. the good news, his supports are as enthusiastic at ever. joining me is jerry sub, and eliana johnson of poe lit koe. welcome to sunday. it is "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. celebrating it's 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning.

we have our first look at how the press feels about president trump. the president's approval rating stands at 44% with 48% disapprovaling. that is the lowest rating ever recorded in this early stage of a presidency. for a little perspective, it took president obama 32 months to fall into negative territory. on the other happened, after a very rocky first five weeks in office, mr. trump's 44% approval rating also suggests a durable floor of support from him, almost entirely of republicans who approve of the president by a martin of $86% to 9%. democrats disapprove of mr. trump by the same. independents disapprove of the president by a nine point margin. one issue that doesn't seem to hurt the president right now are the reported ties he and his

aids may or may not have with russia. and whenever stories break on that subject, press bashing, which is always part of the president's arsenal, seems to escalate. >> i'm against the people that make up stories and make up sources. >> it's a tactic with a pattern. the president's attacks on the media repeatedly have directly followed reporting on russia. on january 5th, nbc news reported on russian influence on the election. on january 6th, donald trump tweeted this. on february 13th, 14th and 15th, news outlets reported on mr. trump's ties to russia. on february 16th, president trump spent much of a 77-minute news conference attacking the press. >> russia is fake news. this is fake news put out by the

media. the leaks are absolutely real. the news is fake. >> on thursday night, media outlets reported that white house chief of staff reince priebus asked the fbi to publically discredit a new york times story on russia after the fbi's deputy director reportedly told him it was overblown. on friday, the president went after the press. >> i want you all to know that we are fighting the fake news. it's fake, phony, fake. >> but trump administration officials acknowledge on friday that white house chief of staff did ask fbi deputy director andrew mcsaid to push back against news stories against contacts between trump aids and russians during the campaign. days earlier, reince priebus said this on "meet the press." >> i talked to the top levels of the intelligence community, and they have assured me that that new york times story was grossly overstated and inaccurate and totally wrong. >> later on friday, the washington post quoted both

house and senate intelligence committee chairmen saying they were also inlisted in conversations with reporters, confers that reince priebus reported on "meet the press." >> and in fact, the chairman of the house intelligence committee went on the record after he was informed by the fbi as to that story and what did he say? he said it was total garbage. >> the drip, drip, drip is making some republicans in congress weary. on friday, republican said he is open to a special prosecutor to investigate russian interference in the election. >> you cannot have somebody, a friend of mine, jeff sessions, who was on the campaign and who is an appointee. you are going to need to use the special prosecutors statute and office. >> senator tom is well positioned to talk about two of our big stories this morning.

he is a member of the senate select committee. he also got an earful from people worried about losing health insurance when he appeared this week in a town hall and called for repealing and replacing obamacare. >> do your job! do your job! do your job! do your job! do your job! >> quite a week for you, senator. welcome to "meet the press." >> fun week in arkansas, chuck. >> nothing wrong with being a part of democracy in action. >> any time you can get 2,200 of your voters to turn out, that's a good thing. >> let me get to this reaction r. you concerned about the white house contacts with -- in particular, the fbi and the chairman of the senate intelligence committee since your committee has already announced it is investigating all of these allegations of russian interference in the election, do you think that contact was inappropriate? >> chuck, let's step back.

russia is not our friend. vladimir putin is kgb, always has been. the senate intelligence committee has been examining russia's attempts to undermine us. we have said we are going to undertake an inquiry in everything russia tried to do in our election process. if that leads to potential contacts between trump associates and the russian government, then we will explore those as well. one of the last things i did before i left for home, was have an hour long hearings on these very matters. i am confident we are going to proceed in a manner that goes wherever the facts take us. but what you're talking about is what reince priebus said on your show last week. this is not something the white house tried to conceal. >> is it appropriate, though? >> let's take that cnn article on face value. i am not going to confirm or deny anything in these stories because these leaks of classified information could do

real harm to our national security. but take it at face value. it says the fbi went to president trump and reince priebus and said that reports of contacts between trump associates last year and russian intelligence officials were grossly overstated. isn't it reasonable for the chief of staff to say to the fbi director, are you going to say anything to correct the record on this? i think that's a perfectly reasonable response. now, the fbi and other intelligence agencies have reasons they don't go out and call balls and strikes on news stories because we don't want to let our adversaries what we know or how we know it. but i don't think there is much alarming here. >> let's go to the issue of the white house trying to enlist the chairman of the two intelligence committees, but in particular senate burk who has announced an investigation. was that appropriate? >> as reince priebus said last weekend, nunez was already

saying this on the record. t >> if you had, would you have -- would you have talked to the mediate at their request? >> i generally try to refrain about what's happening in my work on the intelligence community or my armed services community because i want to stay on the right side of the line with information which i think more people were doing. >> mark warner, who is the vice chair and the intelligence committee works differently. it is truly bipartisan run. mark warner said he had concerns about this idea that the white house contacts senator burk, that it could call into question whether this is going to be a fair investigation. >> i think there is no doubt this will be a fair inquiry. as i said, we're already well underway. democrats and republicans have been working well on it. i mean, there is a limit to what we can discuss publically. the eight democrats on that

committee know who we have learned. i would encourage them to tell the other 40 democrats in the senate what they may or may not want to be saying so they don't make false allegations. >> by the way, you said to me earlier in this interview that right before you left for the recess to go back home that it was a hearing. we all know that director comey went into this. was that a hearing that you had with director comey? is that how we should describe that? i'm not going to confirm what we may or may not have been discussing. every time we meet i call it a hearing, chuck. we had a long, hours long hearing of the intelligence committee on these very topics. >> i want to ask you about the darrell isa being open to a special prosecutor. at what point is it in the sbbe country to take it away from bipartisans? where are you on that? >> i think it's way, way getting ahead of ourselves here, chuck.

there is no allegations of any crime occurring. there is not an indication theres that criminal investigations underway by the fbi. which the fbi conducts all the time as our main counter intelligence bureau. if we get down that road, that is a decision that attorney general sessions can make at the time. >> the senators can call for it on their own. you called for it against your campaign against mark prior. how does this russia allegation, one does that rise to that level? >> i think that's far down the road from what our inquiry might reveal or what the fbi inquiries might reveal. right now there is no credible evidence of these contacts beyond anonymous sources in the media and anonymous sources can't always be trusted. >> anonymous sources are how we find out about a lot of scandals in this country. >> anonymous sources are not the tone of the conversation.

that is someone's physical whereabouts. you should look into them, especially if you are in a position of responsibility. but you can't simply credit them. >> let me talk to you about health care. tell me your big take-away from that. you have been one of those advocates saying we can't repeal obamacare until there is a replacement that the public can see. does that make you more determined than ever to say slow down, get this replacement right before the exuberance on repeal? >> we have to get health care reform right. obamacare clearly did not because the price of insurance is still going up and access to doctors is still strained. but what we saw over this past week, a lot of anxiety and stress that americans meal about health care. i know families have been helped by obamacare that feel that anxiety and stress, but also i know families that have been hurt by it. health care can be a very stressful thing. that's why we have to get it right.

we have to make sure that our solutions deliver affordable personalized care for all americans, that they have control in the choice and freedom over their own health care. >> that promise sounds good. do you understand why some people think that's an impossible promise to keep? to make it affordable and make it wider. that just seems like you're selling something that can't be done realistically. >> i know a lot of americans are skeptical about their government on a whole host of issues. but i think that we should trust the american people to make the right decisions for themselves. obamacare didn't do that. it put too much power in the hands of politicians and bureaucrats in washington. we could make our health care system more flexible and affordable to everyone and still address the problems like the rising cost of health insurance or the inability of people to get coverage for pre-existing conditions. >> john boehner in a speech said they're not going to repeal

obamacare. they are going to end up repairing it. is that how this will end up looking to a vast majority of the people? that it's basically a repair of obamacare. >> we have had four elections about obamacare. and in three of those elections republicans won big vic toirs because we promised to repeal obamacare. that's what we're going to dochlt it would not be keeping faith with the american people if we did not keep our word. >> i'm going to leave it there. good to see you, sir. >> thanks, chuck. >> as republicans have been greeted by those angry protesters, many democrats are now simply calling for all-out resistance to everything that president trump touches. >> we are going to dump trump. dump trump. >> as long as the president continues down this path, there is nothing democrats can work with him on. >> let resistance, plus persistence equal progress for our party and our country.

>> so that was the backdrop to yesterday's election of former labor secretary tom perez as chairman of the democratic committee. perez defeated keith ellison in a close race that was also closely watched. many keith ellison supports made their displeasure clear when the results were announced. >> party for the people. not big money. >> little did they know that tom perez was about to announce that keith ellison was going to be his deputy chair. now, with the democrats in their weakest position in almost 100 years, perez's first job will be to unite the party and then lead them out of the wilderness. mr. chairman, congratulations. >> thank you, chuck. it is good to be with you. >> let me start with the fact that that was a pretty divided room. all party elections can feel

personal, can feel petty. but the fact of the matter is you do have a lot of sanders supporters from the primary who were skeptical of the clinton wing of the party and see you nothing more than an extension of that. how do you unit this party without simply making it an anti-trump party? >> i thought we had a great day yesterday trump, and deputy chair el son and i, we were there together. we were united and our unity is our greatest strength and our unity is donald trump's greatest nightmare. he's tweeted this morning about the election being rigged and he ought to be looking at the u.s. election last november. what we saw yesterday, chuck, not only in atlanta where the democrats were gathered, but we saw up in delaware great examples of how we are putting our activism into action. we had a special election there

for the state senate seat and the state senate hung in the balance. a lot of money was invested in that race by both sides, and we had 500 volunteers coming in. our revolution, the dnc, grass roots activists all coming together, and we won that race. that's the energy that most frequent question i get is how do we translate the energy into action. yesterday was a great example. not only here in atlanta where congressman keith ellison and i came out very united but in delaware. we've got a race right here in cobb county georgia for district six and we're going to do the same thing here. so i'm very excited about the road ahead. with we need to make sure we're elects candidates from the school board and the senate. >> let me show the hole you're in as a party and the hole, which is surprising considering you had the white house the last

eight years. with barack obama as president of the united states by over $200 million over that eight year period. and then look at the results. you know them. a loss of 11 senate seats over that time. 63 house seats. 12 governor ships and nearly 1,000 state legislative seats. i know you have been talking about this grass roots approach, but the fact is, this party got gutted while you had a democrat in the white house. >> well, we have to rebuild our parties. in the 50 states in the territories, and that's exactly what we're going to do. we also have to redefine our mission. we not only elect the president of the united states, but we elect people from the school board to the senate and everywhere in between. governors, secretaries of state, treasurers, attorneys general. and it started yesterday in delaware. and i'm very excited about that. and i think there is an acute understanding that where we fell short is that we didn't invest

enough in those state parties. when we lead with our values and when we build that strong infrastructure, when we make house calls, when we're in every zip code, and i travel ten states over the last five days, chuck, that's why my voice is scratchy and i heard from rural america that the democratic party hasn't been there for us recently. we have to make sure we have in every zip code strategy. these investments in grass roots organizations because our values are the right values. >> i want to put up a quote that howard dean used during his presidential campaign and some would argue his tenure as chair of the democratic party is one of the most successful tenures in the modern history of the party. he said i still want to be the candidate for guys with confederate flags in their pickup trucks. at the time it was we can't beat george bush unless we appeal to a broad cross section of democrats.

you have lost touch, whether it's rural america. do you think you have lost touch culturely or economically or both? >> well, i think we have to underscore that economic message. you know, no ohio i went out there and talked to voters and what they heard from donald trump is i'm going to bring your coal jobs back. that's a lie. but what they heard is that he felt their pain. what they heard from us was that, you know, we vote for us because we're not him. and we have to make sure we're communicating our affirmative message. we stand for good wages. we stand for social security. we stand for retirement security. we brought this nation medicare. the republicans are trying to voucherize medicare and prooiftize social security. donald trump wants to eliminate overtime pay for trump. he doesn't care about raising the minimum wage. but we have to communicate these messages consistently in every zip code because i learned in my trip across this country during this campaign that a lot of

people do feel forgotten, and we will not allow that to happen. we will be in every zip code. >> what is, though, you're out there i think even the words impeachment was thrown around a lot during yesterday's democratic gathering and this idea of resistance. even hillary clinton calling now for resistance of the party. if that's the message, does that mean -- is that a signal that a senate and house democrats, you can't work with president trump no matter what he proposes? >> well, he hasn't proposed anything but chaos and carnage. >> but he's talking a trillion dollar infrastructure proposal, something that bernie sanders has been talking about for a decade. >> we no evident of anything constructive from this president. hours into his presidency, he made it harder for first-time home buyers to buy a home. a few days later, he tried to make it harder for people to save for retirement. he nominates someone to wants to

gut overtime pay. he is continually talking one way, but i judge people by their actions. look at the ill advised and frankly racist executive action against muslims. he has governed from the far right in everything he has done. and i'm -- >> are you comfortable with the democrats being known as the party of no now? >> the democrats are the party of inclusion. we are going to communicate our message, whether it's through lawsuits like the state attorneys general did to stop the muslim ban, whether it's through actions yesterday at the polls in delaware and hopefully april and congressional six right here in georgia and we're going to communicate that message that we are the party that lifts your wages. we are the party that preserves your health care. we are the party that's going to be fighting for middle class security every single day, an opportunity for everyone. >> i got to leave it there. again, congratulations on your new position. >> thank you. >> and we'll be watching and

probably see you on this show again in the future. thanks for coming out and sharing your views. >> later in the broadcast, more on those angry town halls. >> they're not getting what they need. >> are we looking at a brief burst of enthusiasm, or is this the beginning of a durable movement on the left that will be felt at the polls in 2018? and then generational warfare fighting to shape the future of the country. i'll explain coming up. just like the marines did. at one point, i did change to a different company with car insurance, and i was not happy with the customer service. we have switched back over and we feel like we're back home now. the process through usaa is so effortless, that you feel like you're a part of the family. i love that i can pass the membership to my children, and that they can be protected. we're the williams family, and we're usaa members for life. call usaa today to talk about your insurance needs.

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welcome back. panelists here. top editor at the wall street journal and of course my polling partner. eliana johnson, national political reporter for "politico." and a columnist at bloomberg view. in case you're wondering, as we always do, we asked the white house for any of a number of senior officials to join us this

morning. especially cabinet secretaries. we also asked for them. ultima ultimately, the white house offered a deputy press secretary, and so we declined. let me go to the senator cotton interview. i think the story of the weekend has to do with the white house contact with some of these investigative entities, fbi senate intel. tom cotton not ready to go the route yet. >> no. but a couple steps down that path i thought. he was very vocal on the need for a vigorous, din independent investigation. but they have been asking for a special collect independent committee. i think that's where this conversation is going. i think republicans have resisted. but i think they're sending the signals and senator cotton sent one to you that they realize that optics are going to require an independent investigation. >> it is interesting that he

referred to the director comey, that meeting that got everybody, referred to it as a hearing. i'll take him as a word that it refers to all. it confirms at least that we knew what the topic was. >> yes. yes, it does. it clearly was a hearing. but i think this also shows that we're at the very beginning of what's going to be a long, long story. we're just seeing the tip of it now, and this is going to go on for quite a while, and i think that's one of the issues that has the trump administration so worked up. i think president trump is clear and understands that this story is not going to go away and it is going to continue and that is part of the reason why he has now started to make both the intelligence community and the press a part of the opposition party and part of the enemy. this way he could try to discredit what comes down as it does come down.

>> one dynamic worth watching here is do increasing members of republican congressmen decide it is in their interest to punt this issue over to a special prosecutor because if there is a special prosecutor, that's a headache for the administration, but it is no longer a headache for members of the congress. they are not on the spot. >> i'm going to go in the way back machine, in the way back "meet the press" machine. the issue was whitewater and it was democrating ringing their hands, all party control. take a listen. >> is it time now for attorney general janet reno to appoint a special prosecutor. >> yep. yep. nothing to hide. do it. come on. get this going. get some good lawyer working on that issue while we all go at it on other things. >> hearing moynihan's voice. it is january of '94, essenti essentially almost a year into

the clinton presidency. eventually you could tell democrats got tired of it and that was moynihan going the punt. >> i think there are some similarities in that this is eating up an enormous amount of oxygen in washington. this is when they're supposed to have the most political capital, and this time is getting eaten up with scandal. on the trump side, you know, i think you're seeing despite what trump talks about, his hatred for the press, he's obsessed with the press. he needs the press, and in this case, the white house's attempt to manage the media narrative around this completely backfired. it was done in a really ham-handed way. >> that's the problem the white house has here. >> it's not unusual for national security to reach out to the news. the difference in this case it is not really a national story.

this is a news story. that's the difficulty. i think you're right. i think the reality is we're at the beginning of a long road about what russia did or didn't do in 2016 in the campaign context. >> the other thing i would add, you know, is the conclusions could be entirely different things here. these stories have been dancing around. was there a quid pro quo between the trump campaign and russia. trump won't say anything negative about vladimir putin, his hiring of paul manafort. it could be that trump actually in the back of his head has done what similar presidents have done, which is he wants a reset with russia. he has an illusion he could reset relations with russia and has a psychological reset button in the back of his head, and it could be nothing. >> there is also another explanation here. maybe the president, as

candidate trump, if others were messing around and having improper contacts, they may have kept him out of the loop, which may explain why he gets so upset. there's another -- there is always another explanation. >> there is always another explanation, and that is certainly one of them. one would think that if he was -- >> do you think he protests too much? >> you're playing the -- you're playing devil's advocate, which i appreciate. what concerns me more, i think, is just the demonization of the media as the opposition party. that to me smacks of someone who is worried that something else is coming down the line and if he turns the media into, say, just the mouthpiece of the democratic party, then it's just us against them. i wonder whether that is what's going on here. >> well, i think all of us will agree. i don't think we all feel like enemies of the state or any of that stuff or the opposition party. speaking of the opposition party, when you come back, we'll

talk more about the actual opposition party, the democrats and in a moment we'll speak with a governor who may be the kind of democrat the party is looking for in 2020. be right back.

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welcome back. despite the election of tom perez, democrats are on the outside looking in at merely all levels of government. the parties bench is weak after the electoral sha lacking. one possible bright spot is the former mayor of denver who won

both of his terms in 2010 and 2014, two of the worst years for democrats nationally. his state is increasingly blue in a region of the country that has been a surprise growth area. he's also a frequently when i sayered name in the early stages of the presidential sweep stakes for 2020. governor, welcome to "meet the press." >> great to be here. let me start the question i ended the tom perez interview with, which is this idea the democrats unite around this idea of being the party of no and the party of anti-trump. that doesn't seem to be your comfort zone. is it moving too fast in that direction in your opinion? >> i'm not sure it is moving that fast in that direction. certainly, there is a lot of, you know, anxiety and anger and protest going on. but you look at someone like tom perez, who is -- he has lived through bias and prejudice. he's experienced it first-hand. he spend years fighting for

social justice. and he also as secretary of labor thinks about how to reeducate people for the next generation of jobs. he's a constructive person. now, obviously, he's got lots to criticize and that's part of his job, but he brings up a broad background to the job. >> you hear hillary clinton say resistance, which for a clinton, it seemed like a shock to the system. but you heard chuck schumer say dump trump. he was saying on some things if we agree with him, we'll work with president trump. that seems to be gone, and is that going to -- is that going to bite the democrats at some point? >> well, i don't know. i think some of them -- people like senator schumer has got to be thinking back to when president obama was first elected and within a couple of weeks that same kind of anger was being used against him and they'd do anything to beat him. they're going to take every

single possible opportunity to try to embarrass him and make sure he was defeated during his re-election. you can't blame anybody for being that upset and also there has been a lot of problems in the first month of this administration. >> let's talk about your political victories at times in other states that the democrats haven't. you're a guy that's defended fracking. you're a guy that's been a -- probone innocent of charter schools. is it things like that, challenging preconceived notions in. >> i don't know. part of it is i have been blessed to have a lot of smart, hard working people, many of them young people who work their fingers to the bone on these campaigns. it is a tough spot. i came from a small business, and i think i understand jobs. i really understand what it's like to -- i got laid off. i was out of work for a couple years and then we built a company that hired a lot of

people. and being able to talk about jobs over the last 10 or 15 years when people feel they are not being heard and really trying to listen. when i'm campaigning, i don't tell people so much what i think because i'm trying to hear what they're feeling. >> it's interesting to hear you talk about being an entrepren r entrepreneur, tracking, charter schools. there are some republicans in blue states that talk about those issues, too. my point is are you sending a subtle message to the democratic party, hey, you have marginalized ourselves a little bit? >> no. i think there are lots of places. colorado was the first state where we actually found a way -- we brought all the gas industry together with the environmental community and we found a way to regulate methane. it's really about collaboration. that's part of the background of the west, the mountain west.

people, through experience, you have to work together to really make progress. >> all right. you're the governor of colorado, to marijuana is always going to be a question from a national reporter. let me ask you this on the regulation side. the federal government has never enforced the law which allowed you so et up the business. there is a through attorney gener general. you're blessed as a governor to have senators from both parties. that is always a good thing. what do you hear from your republican colleagues as to whether jeff sessions is going to shut down reck krreational u? >> it's in our constitution. i took a solemn oath to support our constitution. it is a sovereignty. the states have a sovereignty. so it's an interesting topic. >> you don't think it's clear that the federal government

could stop you? >> exactly. i don't think it is. and certainly it's never my choice to be in conflict with federal law. that being said, senator gardener had talked to mr. sessions before he was confirmed, senator sessions at that point, and was led to believe that senator sessions said, you know, enforcement of marijuana was not worth rising to the top and becoming a priority. and the implication was, you don't have to get -- don't go crazy on this. obviously things might have changed and we have to see what happens. but i mean there is over 60% of american people are now in a state where either medical or recreational marijuana is legalized. >> if this were put on a ballot today, i know you opposed it before, would you now support it? >> i'm getting close. i don't think i'm quite there yet. but we had made a lot of progress. we didn't see a spike in teenage use. if anything it's come down in

the last year and we're getting reports of less drug dealers. if you get rid of that black market, you have tax revenues to deal with, addictions and some of the unintended consequences of marijuana. >> all right. democratic governor from colorado. thanks for coming in. i know you're here for the big governors meeting. >> when we come back, the new generation gap. remember anti-vietnam, impeach nixon scenes? it turns out a lot of yesterday's protesters are today's trump supports. seriously. that's next. break through your allergies. introducing flonase sensimist. more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one.

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political impact. in our new poll, 52% of baby boomers approve of the job president trump is doing so far while 58% of millennials disapprove. boomers are designed as ages 55 to 70 and millennials 18 to 24. 54% of boomers say it is a necessary safeguard against terrorism while 59% of millennials say it is unnecessary. on the affordable care act, 47% of boomers call it a bad idea. some of this goes back to the devicive election in november. boomers came out in big numbers for donald trump. while many millennials failed to show up for hillary clinton. but this generational divide goes beyond explicitly political issues. take foreign trade. 44% of boomers say it has hurt the united states. while 50% of millennials say,

free trade has helped this country. why does all this matter? politics of today is always setting up the politics of tomorrow. but i'm sure some people are wondering the baby boomers of yesterday, weren't they on the left? so you never fully know. that said, baby boomers are pretty happy with the trump presidency. that could provide him a solid floor. but the future of the country will be in the hands of millennials voters and so far they don't like a lot of what they see from this president or his policies. the question is when does that become a problem for the boomers who have helped keep many of these folks in power. when we come back, some evident of how the parties are switching sides on key issues. of how the parties are switching sides on key issues. c of how the parties are switching sides on key issues. e of how the parties are switching sides on key issues. was not a baby anymore.

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back now with the panel. all right. democrats have a new party chair. you wrote a very interesting piece this week talking about that both political parties are going through this redefinition exercise. and we saw donald trump at c pack essentially redefining conservatism through his vision, and i think democrats are still searching for what they are. they clearly are moving to the left, but a party of no to what? >> well, two things. all the energy in both parties is outside of washington right now. it is at the grass roots. it is trump followers and sanders followers. donald trump spent as much time as an independent or democrat as a republican. those are the two most

energizing parties. >> both sanders and trump are not really members of their own parties. >> that they lead. so tom perez was not the bernie sanders candidate. everybody who was watching that dnc meeting knows where the energy was in that meeting and it was with the sanders people. tom perez needs to get them at the grass roots and he started talking about a state senate race in delaware. >> i think to that point, people talking about tom perez as the moderate candidate. there was no moderate candidate in this race. tom perez was confirmed as obama's labor secretary by a vote of 54-48 or 54-46. he was not a moderate or uncontroversial pick by any means. we are seeing a real political alignment underway. the senate race which you wrote about was the tip of the spear on that. but where blue color, lower

income workers are coming into the republican party and white collar more educated party are going into the democratic party and we're in the middle of this right now. >> on one hand, pro-business democrat of sorts. the there room for him in the democratic party? is there room for free market capitalists? you wrote an article about it. >> defending -- >> parts of it. >> this is a time of great political flux. and we saw a few years ago where you had the situation on the republican side where you could be a pro-life and you are suddenly defined as a moderate. now with tom her rperez who was as being on the left side of the democrat party is now a moderate. it is a sign of how far that party is moving.

it is not yet healed. but they have got two things going for them. trump and the absence of hillary clinton. >> what's interesting here is that there is one issue that almost shows you how this stuff can move so fast and it's the issue of trade. and just how where republicans are on trade before to today and i think we may have a graphic up there or not. and where democrats were and now it's basically democrats are sounding more like free traders and republicans more of the protectionists. >> that's where you see that weird split that you were talking about within the republican party as well, where you see more highly educated republicans starting to shift away and the grass roots people coming from the ones who are by their very nature more afraid of free trade and feel their jobs have been going overseas. it is so weird to watch this, to watch this happening, to watch the gop become the party that's opposed to nafta and aposed to the tpp. i find this stunning. >> there is another split.

democrat voters are becoming more free trade. democrats politicians aren't. >> they're listening to town halls. i thought what was clear to me is that tom cotton's language on health care has changed. candidate tom cotton probably would not have said as many kind words about obamacare as he is now. >> people talked in the republican primary and in the general election about so much enthusiasm for trump and so much energy behind his candidacy, your hon your honor lists and others dismissed. i think you will seeing that shift to the democrats now and it would be dangerous for people to dismiss that. >> if we have learned anything is don't dismisenergy in crowds. tea party trump rallies now, affordable care also, obamacare, i think it means something. >> support for obamacare is ticking up, which is probably a natural reaction.

>> the idea, too, which president trump put out, these protests are paid is not being born out. >> if you spend money to throw a party and no one shows up, you have wasted money. does it matter if they're paid? they're showing up. >> but we have reporters at these town hall meetings interviewing. and every single one of them was a constituent. these are not necessarily, you know, profession gnat paid protesters. >> the central fact of the politics of health care is people feel disruption in their health arrangement imposed by washington. that used to work for the republicans when obamacare was doing the disrupting. now it is working against them. >> they're all going to miss the days when everybody just blamed hmos. we'll be back in 45 seconds with end game and why even having one of the famous names in the world may not protect you from immigration agents if you're muslim.

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"meet the press" end game is brought to you by boeing, always working to build something better. >> welcome back. it is end game time. perhaps some time this week we are going to get the revised temporary travel ban from the trump administration. i think, though, they keep running into internal legal issues that it keeps getting pushed back. let me show you this muhammad ali jr. issue. this was his son questioned by immigration officials. mind you. born in the united states. his lawyer said that officials held and questioned ali jr. for nearly two hours repeatedly asking him where did you get your name from? are you muslim? i put up this story. today's new york times had the following piece. imgraegs agents discover new

freedom to deport under trump and this statement here, morale has increased since the signing of the orders, said the unions representing ice and border patrol agents. the point is, there is clearly something has changed in some of these and it is -- these are stories that are not going to be politically helpful to the president. >> one of the things they are going to do have to do if they're encouraging the freelancing by sort of the least restrained elements of these bureaucracies, they have to pull them back in or it is going to discredit all of their policiep. >> this was somebody born in the united states. >> yeah. >> but one of the things i think republicans or conservatives have worried about is some of the things that trump and the trump had min strags has done undermines the things he cares about most, and i think this is a great example and immigration hawks, in particular i know national review is one of them,

trump has a tendency to undermine his case, and this is a great example. >> i think that maybe the combination of those kinds of stories and the court action on the travel ban suggests that maybe going slow here, a little slower on a subject this sensitive may be a smart course because it is not as if the idea of taking a tougher line on immigration isn't a political unpopular thing, but how you do it does matter. >> all right. i am going to leave it there. as we leave you this morning, a programming note. nbc news will provide live coverage of president trump's address to among. i'll be joining my colleagues lester holt and tom brokaw. that's all we have today. we'll be back next week because if it is this sunday, it is the sunday after miami beat, but if it's any sunday, it's "meet the press." >> you can see more end game in post game sponsored by boeing on the "meet the press" facebook

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