the state of donald trump. let's play hard ball. ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews live from new york tonight with a late night special edition of hard ball. this hour we are going to get reaction to the president tonight with an all-star lineup of special guests. bill mare is going to be here. michael moore is with me already. kathy griffin. mike, robert dauby, griffin,

nancy jaws, all of them with me here this night at this hour. the president's topic was nationalism and it was paired with an appeal for bipartisanship. here we go. >> solving these and so many other pressing problems will require us to work past the differences of party. it will require us to tap into the american spirit that has overcome every challenge throughout our long and storied history. but to accomplish our goals at home and abroad, we must restart the engine of the american economy, make it easier for companies to do business in the united states, and much, much harder for companies to leave our country. [ applause ] >> well, the president also called for bipartisan immigration reform but fell short of what many thought he was actualbily going to say tonight about leaving people

alone who are here undocumented but basically following the law and being good citizens. here. >> i believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible as long as we focus on the following goals, to improve jobs and wages for americans, to strengthen our nation's security, and to restore respect for our laws. if we are guided by the well-being of american citizens that i believe republicans and democrats can work together to achieve an outcome that has eluded our country for decades. >> joining me is film maker and political activist michael moore. joining me by phone is bill mare the host of hbo's real time. going to gill mare right now. bill, the speech tonight, what did you make of it? >> well, i loved it, chris you. >> joke. >> you know, it's teleprompter trump. there is two trumps. i mean every president to a

degree talks out of two sides of their mouths but this guy is on a level beyond what anybody has seen. and you know, it doesn't -- the teleprompter trump doesn't really match the off the cuff trump. and what they are doing legislatively, which is where the action is. what have they done? they passed one law that said oil companies to cake bribes overseas and another one that said coal companies could dump their crap in the river. i don't know how this helps the little guy that he keeps talking about. >> they put out the word today from the white house that get together with anchors -- i wasn't invited this year. didn't surprise me. but they talked about they were actually going to let illegal immigrants or people here without documentation left alone if they are good citizens. in other words, they are not going to be deported if they

have good citizenships -- they teased it all day. he didn't say nothing that indicated he was going to compromise on immigration. >> well he probable below didn't want to lose his base. i don't know who writes these speeches. usually when he is to off the teleprompter, you can tell he never read the speech before because he'll get to the end of line and say so true, so true, who wrote this, it wasn't me. this time he looked at a president because he was pretty practiced at it. you saw him in the car. i think the bad thing is it will fool a lot of people. if you knew nothing about donald trump, he looks like a fairly reasonable guy, too right wing but he is a normal person. the problem isn't the policy, i mean, that is the problem, but we have had bad policy before.

it's the personality, chris. this is what worries me and most americ americans, you can't have something who is diagnosable with the narcissism and all the rest of it and think it is a going to come out well. somebody who sees things that aren't there, spokesmen saying this is what the president believes like you are on your own, we are living in could could cloud land. this is what he believes. we see that he doesn't know anything. he said the other day that he is just finding out that health care is difficult. >> yeah, it's complicated. something tonight -- i know you are not that sentimental, but i was taken with the widow of certainly karen owens tonight. and then everything was going well and the people were reacting and she was in her private moment there. and then trump had to start talking about the number of minutes of aplace and doing the applause meter on it. i just thought that was -- what did you think of that? wasn't that a bit grotesque?

i thought, what did you think. >> i wasn't crazy about the response to that, because -- like it was such a great moment. first of all i wish she hadn't allowed herself to be used as his problem like that. >> yeah. >> and i don't see any great courage here. where is the courage? who wouldn't stand and applaud for a war widow? you know it's all very well and good to elect this guy who is going to be the bull in the china shop until people realize and find out and it's not going to happen for a year or more that, you know, the china being broken is your china. you losing your health care. you a your coal job not coming back. things are going to happen, they are already happening that actually hurt people. it's all fun and games when you are on the campaign trail and you are arousing the bad side of people and the hate radio kind of stuff. but now it's actually happening in america. people are actually being hurt. they are being detained at the

borders, families are being separated, rivers are being polluted. the bad stuff is really going on. i wrote this down. education is the civil rights issue of our time and then betsy devos is the -- i mean, this is what people are going to be talking about tomorrow, the disconnect between the rhetoric and the reality. >> democrats were mostly respectful don't of the president's speech. there was no booing. nobody said you lied. the republicans did that to obama. for them there was audible laughter when the president pledged to, here's his phrase, drain the swamp. >> we have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials. >> what did you make of that drape the swamp? we have got billionaires, wall street representatives -- i'm not sure -- what was the swamp, and what was drained? >> well, again,s s ithis is th problem, is that his fans don't

of course even believe in facts mostly, but they certainly don't fact check it. if all they are going by is what he says, yeah, maybe they will buy that. i don't think they follow it closely enough perhaps to realize that he appointed this cabinet from opposite world where the labor person wants to keep rage wages low and the health person wants to get rid of public health care and the justice department doesn't believe in civil rights and the epa is going the replace the environment with something terrific. this, again -- i noted from the beginning, from not just the campaign, but the inaugural speech, where i will be your voice, all this talk about the forgotten little man. tell me one thing he's done that helps the forgotten little man. >> he will with, we'll have to wait and see as they say in journalism. by the one thing that amazes me, this is our business, coming out against unnamed source. and here's the guy that ran around the country for five

years saying he has these inspectors out in hawaii that have come up with fascinating stuff about how president obama is an illegal immigrant. all these unnamed sources he was using for those years about the information he was paying for to dig up, all malarkey as joe biden would say, all made up. there were no inspects, no unnamed source. there was nobody. and then he says the "new york times" uses unnamed sources out of white house. >> he loves ooeks leaks when it helps him. you know, he hated wikileaks and he thought snouden and assange were traitors until it helped him. because he has no principles. it's if you are on my side, say nice things about me i love you, if you criticize me i'll destroy you. i think people are overthinking donald trump. i think it's that simple. putin, putin said he was brilliant so he forever wants to be putin's best friend.

a white supremacist. i don't think donald trump is a white supremacist exactly. but the white supremacists said something nice about him. they are his friend. he can't say anything not nice with white supremacists. you have to drag it out of him. >> he loves being loved. >> love -- that doesn't even begin to cover it. it's a neediness. it's like having joan crawford as president. >> bill mare, your show is -- every time you lemon your show, people say i saw you on bill mare. i don't think people go out anymore. i want to bring in michael moore. i have to laugh at mare because of the absurdity. you focus on this stuff. you started with stories on the russia belt, where you grew up and how companies move out and don't give a damn about production. they are just factors and

production. they get cheaper labor in mexico. they move on. it thought it was the one place where he hit the homer tonight. he said we have got to stop letting our jobs go away. i don't know if he is going to do night he is part of what i filmed in roger and me some 25-plus years ago. he is the same thing. he produce all of his clothes and his items in countries overseas exploiting -- >> his baseball hats. >> everything. it's -- but this is a perfect example of what bill was saying, the teleprompter trump and other trump. i'd like to -- i'll like to position it this way. what we are witnessing here is an added new chapter to george orwell's 1984 where up is down is down ands up. sometimes it haps in the same day. >> new speak. >> yes. earlier today the pennsylvania attorney general said in his meeting with trump. >> josh shapiro. >> yes, thump said you know

these bomb threats to the jewish centers, they may not be coming in from right wing people. >> jdl did it. >> jews and liberals might be doing it to make us look bad. >> if there still is a jdl. >> that's what he said earlier today. tonight n the speech, powerful words against anti-semitism. >> yes. >> and we have to fight bigotry. it was up today, down tonight. down -- the other thing today ashz you pointed out. >> who is buying the down argument. who is buying the argument that pro -- first of all there was an implicit admission. he is saying everybody thinks my crowd is anti-semitic, therefore they are doing it to make my crowd look wad. there is an admission he has a problem with his cotill on. >> he said that to the attorney general today. >> josh ju ir. it was an insulting thing it seems to me to say to a guy like that.

>> to a malignant narcissist you are not thinking about insulting anybody because it's about you. that would require empathy. i insulted chris. i don't feel good. that's not going to process there. >> what do you think about his counting the applause minutes that passed over the poignant moment with a widow. >> he says he will be happy up there in heaven with how many minutes of aplausz he got. is that strange? >> ryan owens, his death came as a result of a dinner trump had with his son-in-law and a political hack. >> yeah, we saw, he made a decision in a dinner. >> over dinner, with bannon and jared. >> jared. >> and -- >> and then denied having a roll in it. >> and then the reporting here on nbc news and other networks and papers of how the intelligence community said we got nothing out of this. >> that's the -- that happens. i'm not going to hold that against him.

you can -- >> then why tonight to say ordinary care we all all this treasure trove, and using. >> the widow -- whether it was a valuable mission or not. >> and that's why she's there as sort of an f you to the people. and the widow is in desperate grief right now. >> in love with her husband. >> in love with her husband. and to use that to put another notch on his welt and what is he thinking about? my ratings. record applause. i'm going to get an emmy for this, most applause for a dead soldier on my watch. this is the sickness of this man. and it was -- i think anybody watching this at home other than his -- maybe his core, core base. >> every is on air product for him. >> all product. look at the ratings, look at the applause i got. i just looked this up.

>> you talk about if rust belt, people who lost their livelihoods, culture, their pride of being a bread winner, where a guy could provide for a whole family because he had a good factory job. this guy was able to tune into that somehow. how does trump do that? how does he tune into regular people who believe in him, if he doesn't care. >> he is a member of the screen actors git guild. has has a sag card. he had a show on this network. he developed a catch phrase and everybody loved the show. he was a beloved tv star. in michigan out in the rust belt we didn't know who trump was. you had see him, hear the name, but you didn't know who he was. he became a star because of the apprentice. and people love the show, and they watched the show, and he was a beloved tv star. and he knew how to milk it. he knew what he was doing.

he always knows what he's doing. i -- >> you said he would win. when did you first get the glint in your eye that i was going to win the electoral college victory? >> well, i live in michigan and i just had to drive town the road. there were all these trump signs. people i knew that twice voted for obama said they were going to vote for trump. it was stunning. and i had just come back from england during brexit. my movie was opening. >> you fell it. >> i saw it there in middle england in the industrial part. came home to flint and detroit and lancing and saginaw, saw the same thing there, and i thought oh, my god, this guy is going to win the brexit states of michigan, iowa, ohio and pennsylvania. >> you know a lot. >> maybe i'm good with lottery numbers. >> that's real reporting. i know you are not a reporter. >> listen, the media -- let me say this, has gotten better, people have opened their eyes and they are listening. they didn't listen to us.

we couldn't even get the clinton campaign to listen to us, please send a candidate here, please come to wisconsin. not to come to wisconsin for seven ings months, please do these things. i love hillary snooshs woody allen was right. show up. >> you have got he show up. and we weren't important enough or we were taken for granted, we are blue states don't worry about them. i did my best to convince them to please come. you know what we lost by in michigan? three votes per precinct, three, three votes per primpgt. if three trump voters would have voted for hillary she would have won. >> bobby kenny had a way of connecting with working people and he was a patriot. some of the democrats lost that connect. >> not all of them. people are in the straights now. >> bobby -- marcy captor, they haven't lost it. >> and don't forget the people, people in the streets who are at the town hall meetings, who are

going to the congressional offices, who are on the switchboard jamming it every day. that's what's going on and the people will lead this party. >> you know what you are talking about. michael moore stay with us. we are getting started on this special edition of hard ball after the president's speech. creating griffin is coming. we may have to be careful, but she is great. she does a lot of work with the troops out there. that is how you test a performer, are they willing to go out where the people are fighting and ricking their lives? hard ball, where the action is. boost

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[ applause ] we want all americans to succeed. but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. >> like joey two times. the president tends to repeat him. that's president trumped assessment of life operating under current immigration laws, which he says is lawless chaos. he says he will finally enforce the immigration laws already in the books and make america great by building a wall a great great wall, that's what i was talking about. did you notice mike pence laughing when he said great great wall. like he likes candy bars. catch the acronym he comes up with here. >> we must restore integrity, and the rule of law, at our borders. for that reason, we will soon begin the construction of a

great great wall along our southern border. [ applause ] as we speak tonight, we are removing gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our very innocent citizens. i have ordered the department of homeland security to create an office to serve american victims. the office is called voice. victims of immigration crime engagement. we are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media and silenced by special interests. >> voice. the victims of immigration crime engagement. they needed that last word. michael moore is still with us. i'm joined by two time emmy award winning comedian, who is on her 50 city tour and has been performing for the troops in iraq and afghanistan. i know these guys love the uso

tours. they think they are really cool and everything, when someone like you shows up they go wow they care. what did you think of the show tonight. >> it was shorter than i thought. i was like oh, this fool is going to go on four or five hours. chris, what an idiot. we have got to watch him for an houn and nine minutes. he says one hateful thing after another. he is so embarrassing. this from the beginning. melania comes in with the skinned jacket. even though the white guys arelike hey she's hot. maybe if i'm like him i could get her. a sham from the beginning. as i was watching the so-called speech, i can't help picture steven miller, a comedian's dream, the guy with the dead eyes writing that speech. i was watching him when he was saying that students shouldn't have to put up with lazy

janitors and the janitors should be quicker. what did he write that? >> in high school. there is tape of it. >> that was his high school speech. >> yes, he taped it. he recited it energetically. >> this guy wants to trash the working folk. >> yes, and this speech was not yip uplifting in anyway. >> now, he is for them, rooting for these guys zhao he is not for anything but himself first of all, i'm glad you mentioned that i performed in rab and afghanistan. because one thing i permanently have an issue with is my goodness anyone running for president should go to these areas and see what war is. let me tell you, being in the war zones as you know well, chris, and michael obviously you know as well it is a different situation than what you think it will be. my time in those areas, going to walter reed back here it changes your mind once you are in that environment. i'm no expert on the military

but i'm glad i had that bird's eye look into their culture and life-style and during war. it is astounding to me to hear him espouse these thoughts and ideas. it really does seem like he doesn't put any thought into the real people who have to section cute them. >> what did you think about the dinner signature around with jared, his son-in-law, and his chief political strategist, bannon, over drinks or whatever, he decides to commit the troops. and then the other day, actually today, he says that meant my decision, i inherited that decision. i didn't lose that guy. how can he not remember that we once had presidents like kennedy and truman who said the buck stops here. okay blame me. kennedy said after the bay of pigs i was the officer in charge, i am the one to blame. by the way, kennedy did deserve toic at that it. it was his mistake.

but he didn't run from it. >> there is such thing as responsible. trump has no concept of that. you have seen the ceremonies when a soldier dies on the badle field. i keep thinking of that image of trump and ivanka going to dover to meet the parents who would not meet with him. i thought he should have taken away from that moment maybe this is me crossing a boundary or something uncomfortable. i thought that was an opportunity that he missed where he could have for once been an adult and done a respectable thing. and i thought that moment of pointing out the widow and i felt it was exploiteding her grief a little bit. and as you know, these ceremonies are very, very serious. and i feel like this is a president who doesn't take anything seriously. as someone who travels the country i always joke that fox news has nothing on me because i really do go to the real america. i did 80 cities last year. and i'm doing 50 this year. what i love about it, i love going to the small towns. when i'm playing ohio i stop at

grandpa's cheese bar in between shows. and you go everywhere. so this idea of the real america is something he is really playing into. and also everywhere i go, i travel i'll make a joke and i will say i'm from illinois i live in los angeles rate now and we actually would like to keep the mexicans. i would like to stand on the wall and throw mexicans into the united states if i could. >> that's triple a towns love when you come because they are not like the big cities like chicago and l.a. and san francisco and, no. but you go to cities that are a little smaller. when somebody like you shows up it is a treat. and people say she gives a damn she is out here working with us, she likes us. >> amazing to me that so many of those folks support trump so passionately. i want to explain to them, whatever you call the aca it's still the aca, you are going to lose health insurance.

i couldn't believe hits audacity that he didn't take the town halls seriously. >> we had presidents talking about health care since teddy roosevelt. richard nixon was going to have an employer mandate. finally we get a guy who gets it into action. how can you blame him for being the first guy to get something done? i don't understand, there was a better plan the republicans, they had nothing, they voted against medicare, medicaid, social security. they voted against every one of these programs and they say this isn't what we were looking for, there is couple flaws in this. nada. they had nothing to offer as an alternative and never have, ever. >> and also the affordable care act was the republican plan. it started out as single payer. and it was the compromise from not being able to get singer payer. for all the busters out there

who turned into trumpers or whoever, bernie wanted single payer so obama turned single payer into aca, that was the republican party. i am a big resistor, i don't believe in compromise with this president. i also think he is crazy, mentally ill, also an idiot. >> i want to get on that, lawrence had a professional on the other night, a psychiatrist. headache your point. why do you think he is nutty. >> first ever all, i know him. i know you do as well. don't act like he doesn't say crazy stuff. he turned to me one time at the larry king birthday parties like they have at the hilton. and we are next to each other, and i was between him and gilbert god freed. trump turns to me and says so you are a female comedian? . that guy, next thing you know we are going to want to vote. he comes up to me and he goes,

you are a female comedian. and he goes how much do you make? and he goes a billion dollars. and i go me too. gilbert, what are you having. >> when he was talking about unapproximatishing women for abortion. >> i couldn't believe in a. >> i don't know how it came up, but this shows about how his mind is focused. i said how come zoolander two didn't make it? >> he was explaining that to me. the zeitgeist. and at a moment in time stupd good-looking people were funny. and then the koss most shifted and all of a sudden it wasn't funny. it's not crazy. it's some kind of -- the word that comes to mine is marketing. marketing. tonight was marketing. >> chris, don't act like he is a genius. >> it's marketing. >> yes, marketing 101. >> yes, like the number of minutes of applause for a guy

who was killed in a war is the way you metric the thing. >> when he said the comment now he broke the record. i was like i don't think that's why he joined the armed forces. >> i said this on the to, the only truly honest emotion tonight. >> laughter. >> was karen owens looking up to heaven trying to talk to her husband. that was real. >> you are right. her looking up. and by the way, that was what the applause was for, clearly, it wasn't that you were applauding his policies. i have a lot of questions about the raid like everybody else. from what i read in times and wanto, it does doesnsund like something the department of defense had in mind for a ng time. the department of defense -- now they are trying to rob the deputy. >> get rid of diplomacy. make more enemies. >> and now he is opening voice, it's where citizens turn on each

other. >> let's cut foreign aid. that is the i go best lie. you cannot starve the foreign aid budget. it's too small to starve. and you say you are going to use it for $54 billion in more defense spending is not true. it just isn't true. >> also, i just want to say participating in the women's march, which so many of us did, including my boyfriend and many men and women alike, the idea that he thinks that we were paid or -- did you see him the other day, like a third grader, yeah, they are doing this thing, they call it obstruct and resist. he thinks it's this thing we made up this week. >> did you notice the republicans spent how many years on benghazi and their argument was the state department didn't spend enough money on security. his answer is to cut the state department. doesn't anyone put this stuff together. >> i feel like the whole crowd is truly going to go down. as i say to my friends, agnew

resigned before nixon. there could be a situation where more than one person goes down. this cabinet is like the final scene in intervention. but this time the intervention says done you are not just going to rehab, bannon, you are you have got to go. kellyanne, you are connection, steven miller. >> you are obviously a kmooud comedian because you remember spiro agnew. he went around talking about morality. but he was taking brown bags of cash. they were delivering big bags with cash in it from the contractors in maryland. and it never occurred to him, i'm a thief. >> chris, please tell me you are never going to let go of the russian ties story. i think it's the one. by part san, there is so much there. so many people that could be implicated. so then a things happening that look to the average citizen this could be a result of whatever conversations were happening i

don't think it's just flynn. >> was conroy said you get what you pay for. a fair exchange is no robbery. kathy griffin, you are a treat, you are a griffin. >> i adore you. >> you are a mick and i know you are a good mick and i love you for it and your mouth was as pure as an angel. >> you and any call wallas and brian were scaring me about the seven second delay. when you come see me live i make no promises. >> you can do it flat around. thank you. >> thank you zhao. >> thank you creating griffin. one of my lines men. thank you so much, an irish girl. it isn't a night for a positive democratic message but i keep thinking why hillary didn't win in the areas that were contested, industrial areas, she didn't have an economic message. bread and butt demts democrats, tip o'neil, he went out there and said we are going to hire

people to do public service jobs because it's good for the country. now we have got capitol investment we can do it. we could be fixing stuff, we could be building. i don't think the democrats are ahead of trump on infrastructure. just get ahead of him. >> i think they do. hillary would have been a great president. the majority of americans wanted her. >> they voted for her? >> >> that's a fact. it will never change and we will always wonder how much better off we would have be been than in the situation we are in now. >> did trump said -- >> he said in advance the election is rigged, i will not accept the result. when he was put on the sought during the debate he still didn't say i it. that's not going to change. about the russian thing, which wasn't discussed tonight. he didn't bring it up. >> he wouldn't. >> my fantasy while i was watching this on msnbc was that you would start running the speech but in russian subtitle

in russian. >> but they are watching him because they don't think he delivered. they want him to be either a great man or -- >> let me tell you something. last night and i don't work for msnbc, i don't get paid to come here. i have got to tell you people, anybody who is watching this, go on the msnbc website. rachel, last night on her show, had a 20-minute story on the new commerce secretary, wilbur ross. >> sure. >> and how he is the vice chair of the bank of cypress and the largest stockholder in the bank of cypress. and he is an american -- >> do they dump the money down there. >> where they launder the money. >> yeah. >> please go and watch in on the msnbc site if you haven't seen it. i don't know if you saw it last night. watch it, chris. it's the most mind blowing thing i have seen on tv in the last month. >> big words. it's what we do. thank you. >> really great. and also the way this is going to be portrayed tomorrow, what happened tonight, they are

already doing it. new tone. he pivot. there is a better, softer, kiner. >> like you right now? just like i'm talking right now, but remember, he is a member of the screen actors guild. this man is a fraud. he knows exactly what he's doing. he plays his side to one when he is in that room and when he is in the other room he plays that side and you really don't know what he believes in because he really only believes indom j. trump. >> i agree. you know what i think is weird about him. i don't think he is antimuslim, anti-mexican, it's all about get the job done. >> pence may go, like agnew. but if he doesn't, if we are able to remove donald trump and we have pence as president we can have that debate with him. he believes in things and we can win the debate with him. >> did you see that grin when he talked about the great great wall. >> he wanted hip to say great just one more time. three times would have been a charm. >> maybe mike pence has a sense of humor after all.

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welcome facebook hard ball. president trump put on quite a performance, describing the state of the country in sweeping terms but he couldn't resist using some of his classic campaign lines. >> we have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials. our obligation is to serve, protect, and defend the citizens the united states. we are also taking strong measures to protect our nation from radical islamic terrorism. [ applause ] >> joining us from los angeles is actor, director and activist, my friend rob reiner. thank you for staying up. even outside in l.a. is it's late. you have seen performances from good presidents, bad presidents. this president? >> yeah, he was able to read off

a teleprompter. and i guess, you know, at least we know he can read. he doesn't read that well. but at least he read that speech. the problem he has as far as i can see is that he's a pathological liar. so -- >> that's a start. >> there's nothing he says that you can believe. i mean, seriously, chris. i mean, the guy never says anything that's truthful. you just -- you just, you know, showed a couple of clips of things that around true. i mean it's just not true what he says. so there's no way to believe what he says. this is a man who has no understanding of how government works. he has no understanding about public policy and how that works. and he has no understanding of the world and the interconnectedness of everything. so i mean, this is like we are living in a dream world where if us out here in hollywood would ever try to create a satire of a

president, we -- if we did this, you would go oh, that's ridiculous, it's not -- nobody would create a president like this. >> i know, i still it's the wrong -- we got the wrong envelope. when you were watching the other night did you think -- i'm thinking three months we got the wrong envelope. >> yes, emma stone would have been better. >> the most powerful moment, maybe because i thought this woman, the wife of a guy who was killed in action. i thought isn't she a dream because she was so in love with her husband, the emotion was so pure and he is talking to him after his dead in heaven maybe for her. and i see the president come along and say look at the applause, suspect that great? the grotesquery. and then that's in the context of a guy who today denied he ordered the mission. >> not only denying the mission but blaming the generals for messing it up. >> yeah. >> it was cringe worthy. it was the worst drama trgey.

it smells and it works. if you are a great snake oil salesman, and he is, then it works. boy oh, boy talk about using somebody as a prop, it was disgraceful. >> i am watching the vice president, sometimes reminds me of some of the super new mexico rays. paul betny in the da vinci code. he is laughing to himself when trump is talking about this great, great wall. i mean, he knows it is a con. it is a carney act. and he is chuckling over it, right in front of us. >> not only does he know that's a con. but he's also sitting there saying i'm going to be the president pretty soon, as soon as all of this -- soonz all of the connections to russia and how it was coordinated with him and the mean. >> do you think he keeps leaking all this stuff?

rob, do you think he is the leaker. >> if i were pence i would be leaking like a sieve. he has a chance to become president. >> one heartbeat away. thank you. one brain wave away are the presidency. >> yeah. >> great of you to stick around. my friend rob reiner. >> my pleasure. >> you are one of the greatest film directors of all time. our star studded late night edition of hard ball rolls on with bradley whittford. plus, nancy johnson is coming here the rare conservative in hollywood, robert daffy is going to be with us. you are watching hard ball, where all the action is.

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dakota access pipelines. >> welcome back to our special edition of hard ball. threw go, the vp, pence is laughing at his punch lines. president trump vowing to roll back regulations tonight. that's not funny. one of his two mentions of the environment in his speech. i'm joined by bradley whitford who is best known for the old days the west wing. he is also the star of the suspense thriller get out. and not only that he was the greatest hubert humphrey since hubert humphrey. and i am serious. i was like i know that guy, i know that guy from somewhere. i was watching and i go it's bradley whitford. what did you make this speech? >> i agree with rob reiner. we are living in some bad writing. i would call it the audacity of don' dope. >> you mean not smart.

>> yes, it is a call for unity with a totally divisive agenda. it is really offensive to me this vilifying of immigrants, the conflags of refugees with terrorists. i'm telling you if i was a brand consultant, custom i am nwhich . and i was working with republicans, i would say look, i don't know why you have these two things, but you do. you have god and the flag. and this guy is going to destroy both of those things for you. because he's inverting in a very perverse way, i think, our great american values, the institutions we need, the press, the courts. and he, i think, has -- i was working in chicago, and a teamster said to me. he said that donald trump groomed vulnerable --

economically vel vulnerable americans like a patteris, saying what do you want to hear? here he comes out and says i'm going to cut your taxes we are going to have a big infrastructure, trillion dollar investment and we are going to increase our defense budget. and it doesn't add up. >> want some candy money. thank you bradley whitford. . we also have robert davi, a trump supporter, an actor. davi, your reaction to that? >> my dear friend, i need a lot of time. but let me say this, chris, and to the american people. the misrepresentation of donald trump by a lot of people that we've heard tonight -- i respect all of my colleagues i respect their points of view. i want to mention john ward, an irish immigrant who came from ireland, worked as a taxicab driver, bus driver. donald trump hired him at trump

tower. he said to a friend of mine, and i met his son, who was a new york city policeman, his son. he said to a friend of mine, he said that the trump tower was like the league of nations and 2 awareness of donald trump was so complete that there were a bunch of school guys working along the side, kids that worked for trump, and he noticed them. two days later he came to john, he says what are they doing? he says they are studying for their exams. he then had a section sectioned off, cordoned off so these kids could study. the idea of also the owens thing, that moment. this was his first casualty. i got emotional when i heard that tribute to the wife. >> okay. >> and that's i think what he was doing. >> okay. >> also. >> let's get your voice whack on this program, nancy johnson. >> so much to say. so little time. one thing we saw donald trump medicated as opposed to unhinged

as he has been in so many cases when he gets up and talks. i can't stand how he lumps african-americans and crime and violence in the same package every time he talks. it's offensive. >> like everybody lives in a lousy neighborhood. >> like everybody lives in a lousy neighborhood. there are problems but to hear him talk about that and not at all about the fact that he signed into legislation this bill that now is going to make guns all the more available to people who might have mental health problems it's crazy. >> and he attacked chicago 123450 and i felt that poor woman who lost her husband was being used as a prop. i felt the best joke line was how congress needed to swiftly endorse his supreme court nominee considering how much time they spent not doing anything with president obama's nominee. >> garland. they trash canned him. >> that's our nomination. >> and cooperate the way that mitch mcconnell did. >> i love that. isn't that great. there is a lot more to say, chris. >> self awareness. >> it is like watching a

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good evening. it's 10:00 p.m. out west, 1:00 a.m. on the east coast, i'm ari melber. we begin tonight with breaking news overnight. the white house has decided tonight to delay the release of that travel ban again. aides had pledged a new rollout for tomorrow but confirmed to nbc news that plan is now scrapped. the president's travel ban does remain blocked by a federal appeals court and the white house was hoping the new ban might clear up some of that delay. meanwhile the president of course had plenty to say about immigration and plenty of other issues tonight, hitting a different tone than trump on the campaign trail. >> the time for small thinking is over. the time for