good evening. it's 10:00 p.m. out west, 1:00 a.m. on the east coast, i'm ari melber. we begin tonight with breaking news overnight. the white house has decided tonight to delay the release of that travel ban again. aides had pledged a new rollout for tomorrow but confirmed to nbc news that plan is now scrapped. the president's travel ban does remain blocked by a federal appeals court and the white house was hoping the new ban might clear up some of that delay. meanwhile the president of course had plenty to say about immigration and plenty of other issues tonight, hitting a different tone than trump on the campaign trail. >> the time for small thinking is over. the time for trivial fights is

behind us. we just need the courage to share the dreams that fill our hearts. >> let's be clear. you may have heard of this if you have been watching the coverage. plenty of analysts praising the president's tone, mood, and even, yes, style tonight. addresses to congress, though, are not fashion shows. style does not balance a budget or lower the cost of health care. if you listen closely to the actual policy claims the president made, he spoke mostly in terms of outcomes. better health care. more security. rarely in terms of actual plans. we will note one exception came in the category of domestic spending where the president proposed an actual number for boosting infrastructure. >> america has spent approximately $6 trillion in the middle east. all the while, our infrastructure at home is crumbling. with the $6 trillion we could have rebuilt our country twice. and maybe even three times if we

had people who had the ability to negotiate. i will be asking congress to approve legislation that produces a $1 trillion investment in infrastructure of the united states financed through both public and private capital, creating millions of new jobs. [ applause ] >> that last sentence was the only detail the president offed there. it's simply unclear whether that plan would involve a trillion dollars in actual domestic construction which labor groups favor or which it's tax cuts for financial companies which might not spur any infrastructure projects at all. we'll run through other fact checking throughout our coverage. right now i want to go to our panel, jonathan alter, christina greer, and david jolly from

florida. christina, i want to start you off with a big question we ask in our political coverage here throughout the ages -- what did you think of this speech? >> i agree with you, ari. this isn't about tone. i would suggest that everyone does what i asked my students to do, which is to print out the speech and read it. if you read it, you will see just how dangerous it is. he talks about voice. he talks about the education bill with betsy devos at the helm. when i say talks about, he mentions it, throws it out there. he mentioned states rights, kicking it to the 38 republican governors out there. a hiring freeze on non-essential federal workers? that's huge. poverty violence and chaos and law enforcement? we know that directly affects black and latino families. we know that spending more on military is definitely going to affect black and latino families because other social programs we know he is going to defund even though they are a fraction of

the percentage of the budget. the dakota access pipeline. lawlessness and chaos. he is stuck in 1989, where he is still imblaming the central park five. he has this poverty violence narrative when it comes to people of color. this fear amongering he is really into. this is all in the etch into. i done care that he didn't go off script. he did go off script a few times when he made that insulting comment about owens have the largest, you know, applause. >> the record. i think he was trying to say something positive. let me bring in congressman jolly. >> that was not in the script. >> congressman jolly what did you think? >> if you disagreed with his policies before tonight you still disagree with him and you don't like who he is, he still don't like who he is. one good speech dwuntd make trump a better person. but it might make him a steadier president. i think that's what the long lens analysis will be, will this be a turning point. >> what was good about the

speech? >> it was steady. it presented almost a paul ryan type message on principles. they are hard right principles but the fact is he gave kong democrats a shot in the arm. they awake tomorrow morning more confident in their agenda. for the past 40 days donald trump has gotten it in his own way and the way of his congressional republicans. >> the strength, the mood, he is reading off a script, a teleprompter. something we all do from time to time. i suppose the bigger question coming out of tonight, does any of this hold or does this happen once a year when he has to give a written speech? >> this is the donald trump presidency. we will know in a matter of hours or days. keep him off twitter and let him enjoy the next 24 hours. this was a steady donald trump. i am not confident we will continue to see this based on the past 40 days. >> keep him off twitter. the proof is in the tweeting.

it is a habit he has. this man doesn't change. one speech that he reads off the teleprompter that he obviously didn't write. seem like some of it he was reading for the first time, does not make a new man. we'll see. will he go off twitter? i have my doubts. he is going to get a lib of a bump this the polls, you always do in these situations. i agree that it helps kong republicans. but the proof is in the pudding. the puding in this case is the legislation. he needs for many of these bills in the senate he needs 60 votes to break a democratic filibuster. in some cases he needs only 51 votes. but that means if they lose even three republicans, which they already have on many of these issues involving obamacare, involving the border tax. these things -- involving tuting the state department, as lindsey graham said, dead on arrival. many of these proposals will not be law? right, and there was a mix of things he want to do as well as

things he says are already work. take a listen here on jobs to president trump ticking through what he says are basically -- what might be considered the magical realism of his very preps bringing in jobs. it wasn't in response to federal action or a policy. at least not according to his words but more the fact that he is just on the job. take a listen. >> it's been a little over a month since my inauguration. and i want to take that this moment to update the nation on the progress i've made in keeping those promises. since my election, ford, fiat chrysler, general motors, sprint, soft bank, lockheed, intel, walmart, and many others have announced that they will invest billions and billions of dollars in the united states and will create tens of thousands of new american jobs. [ applause ] >> we want to give people context on that. it is true there was an election. and it's true that after the

election other things occurred. so technically the language there is accurate. i just want to put on the screen and get your response from the "washington post," trump taking credit for business decisions made. many of them coming before the election. ford deciding to abandon the plan in mexico has to do more with long term fwoels than with the new administration. fiat says the plans to invest in that michigan factory had been in the works for over a year. soft bank's $100 billion tech investment fund three weeks before the u.s. elections. again, that's something that he talks about but was already ongoing. >> yeah. so this is more fraudulent verbiage coming from donald trump. so it was in a nicer tone tonight. but it wasn't really different from the lies that he has been telling for weeks. i want to just say something about infrastructure. because i think democrats agree if this could be done it would be a good thing for the united

states. almost all of the republicans voted against barack obama's infrastructure bills, several bills over the last eight years. in some cases they wouldn't even let them come to the floor. the trump proposal for inf infrastructure is overwhelmingly tax cuts for businesses that might invest in infrastructure. and those could help build new projects but there is no money in rebuilding a sewer system, rebuilding a bridge. >> exactly. >> the repairs that we need can't be done under the trump plan unless he changes and goes for more of the direct investment. >> that's what we were learning in the speech. as i mentioned it was just one sentence. >> let me say one thing. mcconnell says no infrastructure until 2018. this is way off in the distance. >> look at what we are doing right now. we are having a debate over policy. what happened in the past 40 days as a result of this erratic

white house administration and this unprepared oval office team is we have been debating frankly an unsteady hand. we have been debating his personality, his attacks on the media, on the judiciary, all the things that were wrong about the last 40 days. what we saw tonight was a tee up, a debate, a contest of ideas over policy. let's see if that holds. i hope it does because we need a strong president not in the authoritarian way not outside of the article two constitutional way, but as a country. we do need a strong president sitting in the white house. we have not seen that yet. >> and christina take a listen to president trump, and brief remarks here on the swamp. >> okay. >> we have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials. >> so by draining the swamp, you hire nothing but, or you know, appoint nothing but executives who have many ties to foreign entities, to foreign banks,

people who want to destroy the actual agencies that they are in charge of. i mean that's just -- it is a metaphor. i think jonathan said the proper word, which is this is a man who is comfortable with getting in front of other people and lying. i think as far as policy and what we are going to debate is health care is coming down the pike. republicans had seven years to figure something out and they haven't. we see the preez vacilating root now already on what he is going to do. there are certain republicans who cannot go home with a repeal and replace. too many people are on obamacare and they need it, right? and then others have various entities there. with immigration he understood to fig iryour it out. his party is very factions. he has the bannons and kushners so i think he needs to get his

own house in order. then he also has to get his unified government in order. who knows what's going to happen in 2018? if he can't stay as a steady hand and remove beyond talking about the electoral college and beyond talking about november 8 and taking credit for things that he quite honestly didn't do. then we'll see, 2018 will be exciting for the democrats. >> i heard that theory sha jared and ivanka are less available when the sun goes down. i haven't seen it confirmed in actual reporting. it is a theory. congressman jolly, i will give you the final word. what do you think congress is more likely to actually do based on the speech tonight, if anything? >> look, i have never been a defender of donald trump's policies. what i will tell you it's clear his road to success as a president is as a populist, not as a tea party conservative. his policies are not fiscally conservative. they throw the free trade agenda of the republican party out the

window. they don't always add up. we know that because he is thin on details. but look we are having a debate over policy on the to. we haven't had one in about 40 days. the president needs to realize he lost the popular vote. >> you complimenting your fellow panelists that they are talking policy, or are you saying that's by the grace of president trump that that's the conversation we are having. >> the teleprompter donald trump is a steadier donald trump. we'll see if he can enact an agenda. that is a whole another task. but he gave congress something to work with tonight. let's see what happened. >> congressman, thank you for your time. the panel stays. the trump white house delaying the travel ban yet again tonight. why? we'll got into that and the policy. also tonight, how democrats dug into donald trump tonight. how they should respond to president trump in the days ahead. y into an ally?

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welcome back to our live special extended coverage. i'm ari melber in our msnbc world headquarters in new york. this is breaking news overnight. a senior administration official confirming to nbc theus donald trump will not sign that long promised travel ban executive order. as recently as yesterday white house first were telling us, our reporters in the white house and elsewhere that this would be rolled out tomorrow. now they say they want the speech toing quote, breathe. the speech continued to spoke fear about obviously undocumented immigrants as well as muslims. >> our obligation is to serve, protected, and defend the citizens of the united states. we're also taking strong measures to protect our nation from radical islamic terrorism. according to data provided by the department of justice, the

vast majority of individuals convicted terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country. >> we have a lot more facts on that. i want to bring in the director of latino studies at new york university. an author. as well as jonathan allen, head of community and content for side wire. staying up lace late with us in d.c. christina, we have a lot to get to, fact checks. first your response to the immigration portion of the address? >> fascinating. exactly what we expected to him. there was talk he may be softening his line on immigration. at a fundamental level one thing we have to be clear about with donald trump is he is more interested in performing. somebody who passes legislation -- like he is is sort of somebody -- it's about domination and spectacle than legislation. one thing we have to be clear

about is he is going to stick to a deportation policy that's aggressive in part because it satisfies his voters who really enjoy seeing him enact some kind of aggressive policy of domination. that's what voice is all about. >> voice was proposed tonight, some of the actual content news out of the speech, where the president says that what he wants to do is track crime in a very different way. here's president trump on this idea of creating this voice program. i have ordered the department of homeland security to create an office to serve american victims. the office is called voice, victims of immigration crime engagement we are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media and silenced by special interests. >> i want to give viewers a couple of facts on this. number one, it is highly unusual to track crime based on the

perpetrator rather than the victim. there are programs, violence against women act and hate crimes legislation that looks at whether there is a pattern or practice of targeting people based on who they are, their identity. the notion of rounding this up based on the perpetrator focusing on the fact that because of one's immigration status or skin color they are more likely to commit a crime that's more unusual. senator merkley saying this voice program is a dangerous attempt to paint a false image of immigrants as criminals. quote, we are stronger as a nation of immigrants. and then moving beyond whether there is normal or not we can tell you legal loo it's not and it's not supported in most precedent in the modern era. we can look at is there an underlying criminal reason to do this. i want jonathan to weigh in. the bureau of economic research looked at whether there is a higher rate of felonyious crime by immigrants.

they found immigrants have institutionalized rates one fifth of those of native born americans. >> if you made the effort to get here you probably want to stay here, which probably mitigates them against crimes. in terms of building this office, what donald trump is doing clearly is trying to create statics. he can bandy about for political reason as he tries to rid the country of people who came here illegally or overstayed visas. what i didn't hear is much new on his immigration plan. sounds like they are going forward with essentially a paramilitary operation out of the homeland security department to round up and deport as many people as possible. and as far as the office goes, i mean, you know, as you point out it's completely unusual. it's unorthodox. ultimately it's going to lead to scapegoating of undocumented immigrants. >> that's the bigger question in

this environment where there is concern about hate crimes or there is concern about the tone and the realities in the country. what is the purpose of singling people out this way? the statistics are available. the fbi statistics. the bureau i just cited the economic bureau. this stuff is out there and available. christina, i also want you to listen to congressman king, this hasn't been played on air yet had a response on the question of whether there be a of the soar door open on compromise on immigration. >> what if he talks about a legal status for some in the country without documentation now? could you live with that. >> that was scattered around in the media, but i did not hear that in his speech. and there is no reason to bring up the topic. we need to respect the law, and the constitution. and the president needs to keep his promises on immigration completely. >> well, this is -- you can really see what's going on here at this point. i mean what you have is a deeply nativist segment of the republican party that dup want

any truck with any soft compromise or any pivot away from the aggressive anti-immigrant politics we have with things like getting riffed birth citizenship, efforts to -- this is a unit to produce dehumanizing and criminalizing anecdotes about immigrants. that's the purpose. that's the only sort of thing he announced. i think it's clear that his base -- his base isn't even comfortable with the idea of regularizing 1259d us. i think it's important we distinguish between regularizing status versus a pathway to citizenship. certainly regularizing status would be an improvement but it has nothing to do with pathway to citizenship. i think this has to to with performances a spectacle of domination, a spectacle of law passing. what is scary is that he knows that traet creating terror in certain communities gives pleasure to certain parts of his electorate. and he wants to continue do do that. >> you are speaking to what we saw on the campaign trail.

the question of focusing on race that's disproportionate. >> anybody who is a victim of violent crime is erased. it's simultaneously hostile and dehumanizing and racist to populations and does away with the fact in a lots of people experience violent crime and are not getting any kind of voice. >> this is an attempt at some level, the l.a. times reported, it's at some level to bleach, he ma. european countries mostly white have suffered for bringing in immigrants. and the steve bannons of the west wing would like to see america look less diverse. and the immigration policy follows that. it demonizes and scapegoats people of color. in this case, latinos. and in the other case of the travel ban, muslims. and basically says we are going

to get these folks out of the country as fast as week and tell them they are not allowed to come in. >> right. it is a closing of the doork an emphasis on crime. i want the play one more piece from the speech. i don't know if it has gotten enough attention but it stand out. it says that wherever this came from, it is now saying let's be less like what america has been under both parties by the way on a long term immigration history and try to become like a different country. it's funny because we hear about american exceptionalism. but this was a different, let's be like canada. listen. >> nations around the world, like canada, australia, and many others, have a merit-based immigration system. [ applause ] it's a basic principle that those seeking to enter a country ought to be able to support themselves financially. yet in america we do not enforce this rule, straining the very public resources that our poorer citizens rely upon. >> christina, what is he talking

about there? >> i think it is a fascinating moment, it's this idea of characterizing merit, and merit is oddly racialized here. so that merit constitutes those who were zerveg. and there is clearly a language here that says people of color and logics that we have in this country, people are not deserving. there is sort the merit based logic as opposed to family you unification or all the other policies that go into doing immigration policy in the u.s. i think it is -- i think that's right. it is a logic trying to racialize and imagine a new america that is no longer populated by asian americans, latino immigrants, from other countries. >> right. i notice one other problem with it. fur putting forward the idea of merit, but also banning entire countries regardless of the merits of the people from them. >> exactly. >> right? >> yeah. >> then you are actually saying merit and not applying merit. go ahead jonathan. >> i was going to say we have a merit based immigration system. at least a portion of our immigration system. the highly skilled workers

pouring of our immigration system is a merit-based system. donald trump likes to pretend things around happening that are happening. that's one case where it is. he is basically saying i don't care how smart you are, how hard you have worked, i don't care how much you might be able to contribute to our economy, if you look a certain way, practice a certain religion or have a certain skill color you are not welcome here. >> this was very interesting. christina. >> that. jonathan stay with us. coming up, donald trump making a lot of promises on another issue we haven't talked about this hour yet. health care. can he deliver? >> later, was the democratic response strong enough for the environment we're in? stay ahead?

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tonight i am also calling on this congress to repeal and replace obamacare. [ applause ]

there you see it. democratic california representatives jackie spear and judy choo giving the president two thumbs down when he talked about the affordable care act tonight though a lot of republicans gave that a thumbs-up. he said it was collapsing, imploding and a disaster. he also made a significant promise that maybe difficult to keep. >> the way to make health insurance available to everyone is to lower the cost of health insurance, and that is what we are going to do. [ applause ] >> back with us to break it down, jonathan allen and christina greer. jonathan, we ask hard questions around here. my question for you obviously is why are you against low priced

health care? >> me? >> i'm for low priced health care. >> all right. >> you have got to be careful with the access issue there. the question of access. it doesn't actually mean people are getting health care. it just means they are allowed the buy it. what donald trump is not saying is how many people are going to lose health care versus how many will gain it. he is not promising the people who have health care right now obamacare or a private plan will be able to keep their health care. i think the real thing he is saying if he is going to broi town the cost it's probably because fewer people are going to be covered and they are going to have -- you know, they are going to have lesser quality health care. i think you have got to listen very carefully the way he says things. all that said, it's not clear at all that republicans have the votes to get any plan moving forward. tonight he repeated essentially what paul ryan has been saying which i think whether make house republicans happy by and large but there is a problem on their right flank. >> you make a really great point, i don't know if it's because you are a "star trek" fan. i'll explain.

we will put up on the screen a point you alluded to. trump saying quote americans with preexisting conditions have access to coverage, that's the word. access. george tack asaying pay attention, access to health care. get the tweet up. pay attention, access to health care is not health care. i have access to ryan reynolds, but he is not covering me. >> this goes back to the larger point of, you know, when you read the speech, it is filled with untruths and lies. right? and so this is a president who told the american public that he would have obamacare repealed on day one. we are well past day one. he also said that, wow, who knew it was complicated? this is something that -- >> nobody knew. >> he said nobody knew. >> nobody. >> nobody meaning him. he was the only person of the 320 million americans who didn't realize this was incredibly

complex. when he talks about having this interstate ability to choose, i think that's complex and a highly problematic issue to put forth, right? i think he is saying that because right now he has 38 governorships. but he won't always have that. he will try and backtrack of that's way down the line of easy not he is not going to get there. >> i want to play the fda issue which was brought up in a heart wrenching way but wasn't the true story. >> our show slow and burdensome approval process at the food and drug administration keeps too many advances like the one that saved megans life from reaching those in need. if we slash the restraints not just at the fda but across our government then we will be blessed with far more miracles just like megan. >> that was obviously a moment of real drama in the address.

and you lack at that, you look at the use of the word miracle. i think everyone wants miracles like that for megan and any other person around the country that mighting struggling with this. having said that, let's look at the facts. if the hurdle researchers are facing when it comes to finding new drugs is not overcoming vin gent regulators. it's grappling with human biology in the lab. that same report goes on to point out that fda approval is some of the fastest in the world. what did you make of the drama of that moment, and that person that i say all our hearts would obviously go out to and the fact that the information about the fda was misleading at best? >> i think there were a few thing of number one i agree with you, obviously the young woman there, so wonderful that she lived, you know, and continues to live so much beyond the point at which people expected. the logic that donald trump has is flawed to some degree because she got the treatment that she

needed. he's saying you know people wouldn't get treated if it wasn't for the fda. this person made it. obviously doing all right. i think there are people even within the fda who believe that the process can be a little cleaner, smoother. one of the obstacles to that at the moment is that donald trump hasn't appointed an fda administrator at this point. >> that seems relevance. >> and he said earlier this week that he isn't appointing people to positions because he doesn't believe those positions are necessary. well, if he wants to speed up the fda process he probably ought to hire somebody. >> right. and that comes in the context as well as again we don't have the full plans. "new york times" reporting significant slashing in cuts to funding for domestic problems. i'm being told we have got to go. the control room is telling me stop talking. we have got to take a break. coming up, president trump making several references to african-americans and minorities as he talked about jobs,

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a lack of respect for law enforcement. >> tonight as we mark the conclusion of our celebration of black history month we are reminded of our nation's path towards civil rights and the work that still remains to be done. education is the civil rights issue of our time. i am calling upon members of both parties to pass an education bill that funds school choice for disadvantaged youth, including millions of african-american and latino children. but to break the cycle of poverty, we must also break the cycle of violence. in chicago, more than 4,000 people were shot last year alone. and the murder rate so far this year has been even higher. this is not acceptable in our society. every american child should be able to grow up in a safe community, to attend a great school, and to have access to a

high-paying job. we must work with not against -- not against -- the men and women of law enforcement. we must build bridges of cooperation and trust. not drive the wedge of disunity, and really it's what it is. division. it's pure, unadealterated division. we have to unify. we must support the incredible men and women of law enforcement. >> we are going to dig into that just after a quick break.

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millions lifted from welfare to work is not too much to expect. and streets where mothers are safe from fear, schools where children learn in peace, and jobs where americans prosper and grow are not too much to ask. joining me now, senior adviser and national spokesperson for move on go.org. and christina greer. korrean, what did you think of those portions of the address we just showed? >> well, you know, donald trump likes to lump us all into one.

he believes all black people live in poverty. are uneducate. get shot in the street. it doesn't surprise me because this is -- if you look at his history with race, he basically gets an f if you look back to 9 1970s when the trump organization got hit with housing discrimination to the central park five, falsely accusing them of being guilty of it goes on into his foray into politics and birtherism and leading that rallying cry and what we saw in the 18 months of donald trump's campaign with spreading dog whistles. >> right. >> and also putting out overtly racist things. it's not all that surprising. but that piece d there's a lot of it that was very familiar as well, which is that law and order from the 1960s of nixon and reagan when he was governor. very, very familiar conservative language. >> take a listen to president

trump saying, basically, in the past, other administrations have failed to deal with these inner city challenges. >> i will not allow the mistakes of recent decades past to define the course of our future. we financed and built one global project after another but ignored the fates of our children in the inner cities of chicago, baltimore, detroit, and so many other places throughout our land. >> christina, i mean part of what is being present there had is the idea that previous administrations ignored those cities, chicago, baltimore, detroit, that would include president obama's administration. there is a saying in republican politics, don't believe the hype. >> well, is that republican politics? i would say this. are we making progress that donald trump didn't say the blacks, he said that for 40 or

50 years which is highly insulting and an indicator of how he sees african-american. everyone can will be at chicago and understand it has serious issues under rahm emmanuel and he needs the either work on those or get out of the way. that's one. but the fact that donald trump can only see african-americans as denesha, failing the third grade, in a cycle of poverty and violence who need to be rescued. when he starts talking about voice, and the illegals and all of these things that he is doing for others for immigrants, he is also talking about black people, and black muslims when he talks about muslim bans as well. >> corrine, what about the idea that chicago has endemic problems after a federal democratic administration and as was just mentioned, a democratic mayor? >> i think that's right. look chicago does have a problem. we are not blind to it.

there is an issue in chicago that we need to deal with. but it doesn't mean that as christina was saying that we all live that way of it doesn't mean every black person lives in the community that they are getting shot and killed. i mean the problem, too, is that donald trump kupt care to learn about the black community or want to learn about the black community. today he had an opportunity to finally reach people who didn't vote for him with the hbcu historically black colleges and universities executive order. if you read that order it is a nothing burger. there is nothing in there. there is no new money. there is no new funding. but he had -- he had -- if you saw the photos from today -- >> corrine, let me push back. there was a photoon. >> exactly. but if you talk to the people who were there after looking at the executive order, there isn't anything there. there is no new money. >> right. that and 275 will get you on the subway. >> exactly. >> and the thing is, with

chicago, if he actually really had a commitment to black citizens in chicago and bumgarner and new orleans and all these other places that he wants to list because he just found out about them, what about jobs programs? what about affordable housing. you are talking about coal miners and industries that have been dead for 30 years, why don't you think of substantive jobs that are in cities. cities get ignored when we talk about jobs programs and we move out to the rural areas. what about substance programs. >> there will be more border agents. that is in there. >> and law enforcement. >> but there isn't a lot of details on the jobs, on education and what that actually look like. christina greer, thank you as always. >> bye. >> bye dr. greer. coming up, as promised the democratic response. why did the democrats choose the former kentucky governor instead of perhaps some of the rising stars? and was the message strong enough? that's next.

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it'll be here in three...uh, four minutes. are you kidding me? no, looks like he took a wrong turn. don't worry, this guy's got like a four-star rating, we're good. his name is randy. that's like one of the most trustworthy names! ordering a getaway car with an app? are you randy? that's me! awesome! surprising. what's not surprising? how much money erin saved by switching to geico. everybody comfortable with the air temp? i could go a little cooler. ok. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. former kentucky governor steve beshear gave the democrats response to president trump's speech tonight. he got off to a rough start. >> i'm a proud democrat, but first and foremost i am a proud republican, but mostly democratic, and mostly american.

>> he is not considered a rising star or anything like a party base favorite but he was chosen to give the rebuttal because kentucky was one of obamacare's success rates. an uninsured rate that fell from 19% to less than 7%. joining us corrine and jonathan. corrine, what did you make of the democrats making this choice for the rebuttal? >> ari, it was an interesting choice. i get the sentiment. i get what they were trying to do. a former governor from a southern state, was able to make obamacare very popular in that state. he made a good kind of argument for obamacare. he laid out some real life sequences that i think it was important for people to hear. my critique is that it could have been a more diverse -- a diverse background for him to have been in. i would assume there are brown and black people who live in

kentucky. so that was the problem that i saw. but i get where they were going with it. >> see, i actually didn't have a problem with it not being diverse. i think one of the mess ans the democrats are trying to send is we haven't for goaten about white men. one way to do that is to have a white man. >> don't forget about white men, jonathan. >> but to have a former governor was a huge mistake. it made it will be like they didn't have anybody on their team who was currently in office and they were scraping the bottom of the barrel not having someone who was actually in the korean. >> put white men and that discussion to the side for just a moment. just the notion of this, what we are looking at here, is this the future of the democratic party at this moment with these issues tonight table? >> that's not what they were trying to say. they are not trying to say what the future s. there are elections coming up that will deal with imt what they were

trying to say was the joe biden kind of message. jimmy carter made this point last sunday. that it seemed like democrats had listed everybody being part of their coalition except white men. and that -- that that was a problem for them. they also wanted to pointed out that there were a lot of those white men, including a lot of trump supporters, who were on obamacare, and for whom it was a life saver. because the impression the republicans have conveyed is that obamacare is the other. >> right. >> that's not our people. >> no. and the obamacare part makes a lot of sense. there is also the populism part of where this fits in. bernie sanders stepped up and gave his own type of response. let's take a listen to that. >> the republicans are getting very, very worried. they are not so cocky anymore about simply repealing obamacare. and they should be worried. those of you who attended rallies or town hallet mooing

keep showing up, keep calling congress, and continue the fight. the republicans are now on the defensive and we have got to continue to push them back. >> corrine, there was a different message. >> that was a message that resonates with me. look at. he is correct. look at what happened at the town halls last week when you had republicans running a way from their town halls when they were back in their districts or their states because they did not with a on the to talk about obamacare because people are very angry about losing or their health care being taken away from them. there is a strong point that bernie sanders really brought home. >> jonathan briefly. >> yeah, well, the democrats, and the resisters have the republicans on the run now. they have the advantage, and the odds favor them blocking repeal of obamacare. and that's something the democrats should really be happy about. that this resistance works if

they keep it up. >> jonathan alter, korrean jean pierre. we are through our special coverage. thank you for staying up late. i am ari melber. join me sunday nights for coverage of the first nights f coverage of the first 100 days. msnbc special address coverage continues. keep it locked on msnbc. we have just passed over the top of a new hour of our coverage. welcome to all. it is not too early to announce that chris matthews has a broadcast planned for later tonight which should probably violent anti-trust laws because it's a largest assembly. >> i think colbert is worried. >> we have bill maher