the state of donald trump. lets play "hardball." good evening, i am chris matthews, live from new york tonight with a late night edition, "hardball." we'll get reactions from the president tonight of special guests. bill moore is here and michael moore is with me already and nancy giles and all of them are here at this hour.

>> he was paired with an appeal of bipartisan ship. here we go. >> solving these and so many other problems will require us to work past the differences of party. >> it will require us to tap into the american spirit that's over come many challenge through out our long history. >> to establish our goals, we must restart the engine of the american economy, make it easier for companies to do business in the united states and much, much harder for companies to leave our country. [ applause ] >> well, the president also called for immigration reforms. fell short of many thought of what he's going to say tonight.

he basically followed the law of being good citizens. >> immigration reform is possible as long as we focus on the following goals. to improve jobs and wages for americans, to strengthen our nation's security and to restore, respect for our loss, if we got by the well-being american citizens that republicans and democrats can work together to achieve an outcome that has aleutluded our country for decades. >> joining me right now michael moore, the host of hbo realtime. >> bill mooaher, the speech tonight, do you love it? >> well, i loved it. there is tell prompt ter trump.

this guy is on a level of what anybody is seeing. and, you know the teller prompter does not match the trump of what they're doing. they passed one law that says oil companies can take over seas and another one that says that coal companies can dump their stuff in the river. >> they put out the words today from the white house and a little get together with anchors and i was not invited this year. it did not surprise me on that one. >> they're talking about illegal immigrants left alone if they are clean citizens. and tonight everybody is waiting for -- he did not say anything that's going to compromise on

immigran immigrants. >> well, he did not want to lose his base. >> first of all, usually when he's talking off the tell pro t telaprompter and you can te tell -- this time he actually looked like a president because he practiced that and you saw him in the car. >> so you know that will fool a lot of people. if you knew nothing about donald trump before this and you just watched this, you would say he may have agreed with everything and he looks like a fair, legal guy. the problem of the administration is no t tt the policy, it is the personality. >> this is what worries me and

most americans, you cannot have somebody that's diagnosed like this guy with the narcism. this is what the president believes, we are on your own and we are live ing in coo coo clou land. he says the other day that you are just finding out that healthcare is duifficult. >> i was taken with the widow of owens tonight. everything was going on and she was in her private moment there and trump had to start talking about them and the number of minutes applaused. i just thought, well, what do you think of that? was that a big protest? >> yeah, and the response to

that like it was such a great moment. first of all, i wish she had not allowed herself to be used as props like that. i don't see any great courage here. >> where is the courage? you know it is all very well and good to elect this guy who's going to be the bull in the china shop and people realize and find out it is not going to happen for a year or more. the china being broken is your china. you are losing your healthcare and coal jobs are not coming back. >> yeah. >> things are going to happen and they're already happening and i heard people, it is all fun and games when you are on the campaign trail and arousing the people and the hate radio kind of stuff and now it is happening in america and people are being hurt and detained at the borders and families are separated and rivers are

polluted. by the way, i wrote this down, education is the civil rights, and betsy devos, this is what people will be talking about, the disconnect of the rhetoric and the reality. >> democrats are mostly respectful tonight. >> for them, it was audible laughter when trump mentioned "drain the swamp." we have beginning this by imposing a five year ban and lobbying. >> we got billionaires and wall street representatives. what was the swamp and what was drained? >> again, this is a problem. if fans don't even believe this and they don't fact-check it.

>> if all they're going by of what he says, yeah, maybe he will buy that. i don't think they follow it closely enough and realize that he appointed the cabinet of the opposite world and the judges does not believe in civil rights and the epa is going to replace the environment with something terrific. again, this i noted from the beginning of not just the campaign but the inaugural speech that i will be your voice and all of this talk of the forgotten little man. tell me one thing that he's done helps forgotten the little man. >> well, we have to wait and see. >> by the way, the one thing that amazes me that he came out and this is our business, he comes out against unnamed sources. here is the guy running around the country, he had inspectors

coming out of hawaii and coming out of fascinating stuff of president obama and illegal immigrants. all these unnamed sources of information that he was paying to pick up. all made up. there were no inspectors or nobody and he says the new york times are unnamed sources of the white house. >> he loves it. he loves -- he had wikileaks and he thought snowden were traitors until it helps him. it is only if you are on my side and you say nice things about me, i will love you and if you criticize me, i will do whatever i can to destroy you. i think it is that example. putin says he's brilliant so he forever wants to be putin's best friend. >> i don't think donald trump is a white supremace.

>> you have to drag it out of him to go oh, i disavowal. the problem is personality and not problems so much. >> he loves being loved. >> love is not begin to cover it. >> by the way, your show is unbelievab unbelievable. >> people used to go out friday night and now they watch you all the time. >> oh, thank you. >> i want to bring in michael moore, you started this country focusing on flint and how companies are moving out and they don't give a damn about people and now we are seeing

trump banging on the door of economic internationals. >> well, no, he's part of what i feel and roger need some 25 plus years ago. he's the same thing. >> he produces all his clothes and items and countries over seas >> baseball hats. >> this is a perfect example of what bill was saying of the teleprompter trump and donald trump. what we are witnessing is added new chapter to 1984 where up is down and down is up. sometimes it happens at the same time. >> pennsylvania, attorney general -- trump said these bomb threats of the jewish centers

may not be coming from the right wing. >> jew liberals maybe doing it. >> so that's what he said earlier today. tonight in the speech, powerful words against antiseparatism ad we had to fight against bigotry. >> who's going to buy the argument that, first of all, there was a mission there. did he get that that he was not aware. >> there was an implication that he's got a problem of his coalition. >> yes, that's why he said that to the attorney general today. and tonight he says the opposite of that. >> it was just an insulting thing to be saying that. >> to a narcist, you are not

thinking that you are insulting anybody. >> that's not going to be processed. >> what do you think of the counting the applause line of the widow that looked like a wonderful person. he says he will be happy up there and lets see how many minutes of an applause he had >> ryan owens, his death came as a result of a dinner trump had with his son-in-law. >> yeah, we saw that. >> he made a decision over dinner with bannon and jerryd and denied it. >> the reporting here on nbc news and other networks and papers and the entire community that we got nothing at it. >> but, why tonight to say oh,

he got all this treasure trolls and using the widow. >> of course, that's why she's there as a sort of -- she's in desperate grieve right now and in love with her husband. and to use that and putting another notch on his belt. what is he thinking about? my radiance. >> i am going to get an emmy for this. most applause for a dead soldier on my watch. this sickness of this man and anybody watching this at home other than -- >> it is all about products and look at the ratings and the applause i got. you said 25 years of caring

about people you grew up who lost their livelihood and cultures and pride about being a breadwinner for a family going ou out and providing for the family. he's able to tune in. how does trump do that? how does he tune into regular people that believe in him. >> he's a member. he's very good as a performance artist. he invested the catch phrase that everyone loves. >> he was as beloved tv card >> you did not know who he was. he became star because of "the apprentice." people love the show and they watch the show, he knew how to

milk it and he knew what he's doing. >> when did you first get the ride this he's going to win it. >> well, i live in michigan and i just have to drive down the road. there were all these trump signs. people i knew twice voted for obama says they're going to vote for trump. i had just coming down from england during brexit. i saw it there in the industrial park and came home to flint in detroit and lansing and saginaw and i saw the same thing there. i said oh my god, this guy is going to win. so what? >> no, you know what's coming, forecasting. >> or maybe i need the lottery numbers, too. >> the media has gotten better and people opened their eyes and they're listening. >> they did not listen to us. we could not get the clinton

campaign to listen to us. please send the candidate here and come to wisconsin. i want hillary -- >> she's got to show up and we were not important enough or taken for granted. i did my best to convince them to please come because you know what we lost by in michigan in three votes per precinct. >> and those kennedy who voted for bobby kennedy this year. he did have a way to connect. some of the democrats have lost that ex-k. >> n not all of them. >> i think a couple of these guys out there, they have not lost it. >> and don't forget the people. the actual people who are in the streets at the town hall meetings and on the switchboard. that's what's going on and the

people will leave this parties. >> y you know what you are talking about. >> michael is with us. comedian kathy griffin is coming up with us. >> she's great. she has a lot of work with the troops out there. that's how you test her. a performer and people are fighting and risk her lives. hardba "hardball" where the action is. yeah, with liberty mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila! voila! (sigh) i wish my insurance company had that... wait! hold it... hold it boys... there's supposed to be three of you... where's your brother? where's your brother? hey, where's charlie? charlie?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance

help the unemployed and save billions of dollars and make your communities safer for everyone. [ applause ]

>> we want all americans to succeed. that cannot happen in an environment of lawless chaos. >> welcome back. that was president trump's assessment. >> the president will finally enforce our immigration laws that's already in the books, and he's making great, great wall. >> did you noticed mike pence, the presidevice president of thd states laughing when the president talks about the great, great wall. >> it is like candy bar. >> now, inside the department of homeland security dedicated to the victims of violence. now, catch the acronym that s t comes up here. >> the rule of law at our borders. for that reason, we'll soon begin construction of a great, great wall along our southern

border. [ applause ] >> as we speak tonight, we are removing gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our innocent citizens. i have ordered the department of homeland security to create an office to serve american victims. the office is called voice, victims of immigration prime engaged. we are providing a voice to those who have been ignored boo i the media and silenced by special interest. >> voice. michael moore is still with us. i am joined by emmy award comedian and been out there performing for u.s. troops and serving iraq and by the way, thank you on behalf of our country. >> i think they're really cool.

>> the show that went on in congress tonight. >> it was shorter than i thought. i thought oh no, this follow ol going to go on for an hour. we got to watch this idiot for an hour and nine minutes. he says one hateful thing after another. melania comes win the sequence jacket and all the white guys were like oh, she's hot, maybe i am like him i can get her. >> as i am watching the speech, i cannot help but picture steven miller. that guy writing that stuff, i watch the video of him at san monica high when he was saying that students should not be

picking up on january ter janit. >> he's reciting it. >> this guy wants to trash the working. >> yeah, he's not uplifting. >> and now they're rooting for this guy. >> he's not for anything but himself, first of all. one thing i am glad that you mentioned, one thing i have an issue with is my goodness, anyone who's running for president should go to these areas and see what war really is. being in those war zones as you know very well chris and michael as well, it is a different situation than what you think it will be. >> so you know my time in those areas including going back here it does change your mind once you are in that environment. i am glad that i had that bird's

eye look into their lifestyle and during war. it is astounding to me to hear him of these thought and ideas and it seems like he does not put any thoughts in the real people that have to execute them and suffer consequences. >> what did you think of the night before he commits our troops to yemen with his son-in-law and chief strategist bannon and the other day, he comes out and says oh, that was a minor mission, i inherited that. okay, blame me. >> kennedy says it. i was the officer in charged and i am the one you got to blame. he took it. >> kennedy did it. it was his mistake but he did not run from it. >> there is such a thing of

speedomet speedomet responsibility and trump has no concept of that. the soldier dies from the battlefield and i keep on thinking of that image, trump and ivanka going over to meet parents that did not meet with him. hey, this is me crossing a boundary or something uncomfortable here. >> i thought that was an opportunity that he missed where he could have been an adult and done a respectful thing. i thought that moment of putting out the widow, i felt it was exploiting her brief a little bit. as you know those ceremonies are serious and i feel like this is a president that does not take anything seriously. as someone who travels the country, i joke that fox news have nothing on me because i go to the real america, i did 80 last year and 50 this year. i love going to small towns. when i am in ohio, i stop at the

cheese barns in between shows. the idea of the real america is something he's playing to and everywhere i go, i will travel and i make a joke. i am from illinois and i live in los angeles now. i like to stand on the wall and throw mexicans into the united states. by the way. love when you guys come of those towns. they're not like big cities loo i can chicago or la. >> you go to cities that are smaller and when something like you shows up it is a treat and people say she gives a damn and she's out here working. >> it is amazing to me and so many of those folks support trump passionately. they're going to learn the hard way and whatever you call the aca, it is still the aca so you are going to lose that. >> i thought the audacity of him to make all these promises after the town halls just happened.

>> we had presidents talking about healthcare since teddy roosevelt and richard nixon and finally we get a guy getting it into action, how can you blame him for fbeing the first guy getting something done. the republicans had nothing. they voted against medicare and medicaid and social security. they voted against every one of these programs. there is a couple of flaws of this. >> they had nothing to offer the alternatives and never have. >> and also the affordable care act was the republican plan. it started out -- exactly. >> the compromise for not getting single payer and for all the busters out there who turned into trumpers or whatever,

bernie wanted single payer, that's the republicans compromise. just so you know, i am of the party, i am al big resister and i don't believer compromise with this president. i think he's crazy and mentally ill and he's an idiot. >> make your point. >> i know and i know you do as well. don't act like he does not say crazy stuff. he turned to me one time at one o f these larry king's birthday parties and i was between him and gilbert gottfried and he turns to me and says oh, you're a female comedian. he's that guy that comes up to me and say you are a female comedian and he asked me and

goes how much do you make? and i said how much do you make? >> a billion dollar and i said me, too. >> i don't know why this came up and this shows how his brain works. >> how come "zoo lander 2" did not make it. he was explaining that to me. and then the cosmo shifted and all of a sudden, it was not funny anymore. this is where he's at. >> that's not crazy. it is some kind of what? what do you call that? >> marketing. tonight was marketing. >> don't act like he's a genius. >> he's no academic genius. >> it is marketing 101. >> like the number of minutes of applause --

>> when he said about the comment of now he broke the record i don't think that's why he joined the forces. the most true emotions tonight was kerry owens looking up to heaven and talking to her husband. >> that was what the applause was for, clearly, it was not you are applauding his policies. i have a lot of questions about that like everybody else. from what i read from the times, it does sound like something the whole department of defense had in mind for a long time. at the same time -- he wants to put voice under homeland security. can you imagine james johnson says, we'll open a new club calls voice and it is where you turn into the nazis.

>> that's the biggest lie. you cannot start -- it is too small to start and using it for $54 billion in defense money is not true. >> also, i want to say participating in the women's march with so many of us did including my boyfriend and many men and women alike, the idea that he thinks that we are paid or just -- the other day he's like yeah, they're doing this thing, they called it obstruct and resist. >> he thinks it is this thing that we made up. >> did you know that the republicans spent how many years -- his answer to cut the state department. that does not make sense. >> chris, i feel like this whole crowd are going to go down. as i say to my younger friends, don't forget as you -- this

administration cabinet, they're the final scene of "intervention." this time the intervention says donald, you are not just going to rehab, we are going to send everybody, bannon, you got to go and kellyanne conway, you are next. all the millers. >> you are obviously a comedian because you can remember the actor. >> here is the guy speaking of morality. he's taking brown bags of cash as the vice president says. they were delivering big bags with cash in it for a little late payments for some of the work of the governor debit and it never occurred to me, i am a thief. >> chris, tell me you are never going to like this russian ties story. i really think that's the one. it is bipartisan and there is so much there and there is so many people that's implicated and so many things that's happening and this could be a result of whatever conversations we are having.

>> you get what you pay for. >> yeah. >> a fair exchange. >> kathy griffin. you are a treat. >> i adpore you. >> you are pure as an angel tonight. >> you scared me of the 7 second delays. >> it works. you can do it. >> thank you kathy griffin. thank you very much. back now with film maker with michael moore. >> it is a night for positive democratic message. i keep on thinking one of the reasons why hillary clinton did not win of areas contested is that people say she did not have an economic message.

and now we got real capitol investments we can do. we can be doing fixing stuff and building. i think democrats ought to get ahead of him. >> okay. i think they will and hillary would have been a great president, the majority of americans wanted her. that's a fact. that'll never change and will always want her and how much better off we would have been. >> he said he was not. >> he said he would not. >> he said in advance that the election is rigged and when he was put on the spot on the debate, he still would not say it. >> kathy says about the russian thing which was not discussed and he did not bring it up. while i was watching this on msnbc was that you guys were running the speech but was watching subtitles in russians.

>> they don't think he delivered. >> let me tell you something. >> last night and i don't work for msnbc and i don't get paid to come here. people, anybody that's watching this, go on the msnbc website and rachel, last night on her show had a 20-minute of story on new commerce secretary wilbur ross and how he's the largest puller of bank cypress. please go and watch this on msnbc if you have not seen it last night. it is the most mind fwlblowing thing i have seen in the last month. it is really great. >> and also, the way that this is going to be portrayed tomorrow. what happens tonight, they're already doing it.

>> he's a better and softer and gentler tone. remember, he's a member of the screen actor skill. he knows what he's doing. he plays his side to one and he plays the other side. you really don't know what he believes in because he only believe believes in donald trump. >> i don't think he's antimuslims or antimexicans. >> if we are able to remove trump and have pence as president, we can have that debate for him. >> he's an ideology. >> we can win the debate with him >> he's vice president of the united states grinding at the guy. he wanted them to say great three more times >> maybe pence had a sense of humor.

>> thank you, kathy griffin if you are still out there a. our special continues in a minute. up next, rob grimes is going to be here from hollywood. he's going to talk about the president's speech tonight. this is "hardball" .

welcome back to "hardball."

>> president trump put on quite a performance of tonight describing the country in sweeping terms. he could not resist using some of his classic campaign lines. >> we have began to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five year ban on lobbying by exec tiutive branch officials. our obligation is to serve and protect and defend of the citizens of the united states. we are taking strong measures to protect our nation from radical islamic terrorism. [ applause ] >> joining us is actor and director of rob -- thank you for staying up in la, it is late at night. what do you think of this in. >> he's able to read off a

teleprompter. >> he does not read well but at least he read that speech. the problem we have is he's a pathological liar. seriously, chris, the guy never says anything that's truth full. you see a couple of clips of things that are not true. it is just not true of what he says. he's a man that has no understanding of how government works. he has no understanding of public policies and how that works. he has no understanding of the wor world. i mean, this is like we are living in a dream world where if out here in hollywood we are trying to create a satire of a

president. >> if you did this, oh, that's ridiculous. nobody would create a president like this. >> i know, i still think we got the wrong envelope. did you think -- oh my god, three months, we got the right envelo envelope. >> yes, emma stone would have been better. >> god, is she a dream because she's so in love with her husband and the emotions is so pure and she's talking to him and heaven is made for her and i see the president coming along and saying look at that applause, is that great, the gro te grotesque today. >> blaming the generals for messing it up. it is cringe worthy, it is the

worst. if you are a great sales man and he is then it works. boy, oh boy, talk about using somebody's as a prop. it was disgraceful. >> i am watching the vice president. sometimes reminds me of one of super -- and of the da vincci code. he's laughing when trump is talking about this great, great wall. >> he was chuckling. >> not only he knows that's a con but he's also sitting there and saying -- i am going to be the president pretty soon. as soon as all of the connection of russia and how it was coordinated -- and the money. >> do you think he's the leaker? >> listen, if i were pence, i

would be leaking. he has a chance to become president. >> i know one heartbeat away. >> thank you. it is so great for you to stick around. thank you so much my friend. >> listen, my pleasure. >> you are one of the greatest directors of all time. >> you killed my father, prepare to die. >> our late night edition of hardball rolls on with actor, he plays hubert humphrey. >> you are watching "hardball." let life in

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dakota access pipelines. >> welcome back. the vp and mike pence is laughing in his punch line. that's not funny. i am joined my emmy award win r winner, bradley gifford. and not only that, he's the greatest hubert humphrey. i know that guy when i watched you. i know that guy, it is bradley winfr winfrey. you got the next several minutes. >> i agree with rob. i would call it a audacity of dope. >> it is an odd speech calling

for unity with devisive agenda. i am telling you -- if i was a brand consultant and working with republicans, look, i don't know why you have these two things but you do. you have god and the flag and this guy is going to destroy both of those things for you because he's invert ing in a proverse way of great american values and the institutions we need and the press and the courts and he, i think has, i was working in chicago and a teen said to me, he said that donald trump groomed vulnerable americans like -- saying what do

you want to hear and here he comes out and says i am going to cut your taxes and we'll have big infrastructure and trillion dollars investment and we are going to increase our defense budget and it does not add up. >> want some candy money. >> yeah, thank you. we have our term supporter best known for his role in "die hard" and "license to kill." your reaction for that and everything we have been saying >> well, my dear friend, i need a lot of time. >> let me say this chris and the american people. the mispresentation of donald trump, i respect all of you. my friend came and worked as a bus driver and donald trump hired him at trump tower.

he said to a friend of mine and i met his son, he said to a friend of mine, he said that the trump tower which is like the league of nations and the awareness of donald trump was so complete that there were a bunch of school guys working along the side, kids that work for trump and he noticed them two days later, what are they doing? they're studying for their exams. he then had a section off so these kids could study. the idea and owens thing, i got emotional when i heard that tribute to the white house. >> that's what i think he was doing. >> i agree. >> nancy. >> oh, there is so much to say but little time. >> tonight we saw donald trump medicated as opposed to unhinged

in so many cases. i cannot stand how he says african-americans and crimes in the same sentence. there are problems but to hear him talk about all of that but not at all talking about the fact that he signs into legislation and this bill will make guns more available for people who may have mental health problems. and he attacked chicago. i felt the poor woman that lost her husband is being used as a prop and the best joke line is congress needed to swiftly endorse his supreme court nominee considering how much time they spent with not doing anything with president obama's nominees. >> that's our nomination. >> they need to cooperate like the way mitch mccon hay did.

>> is that great and saying things that -- >> we had a wealth of people tonight in terms of talent. >> robert davi, we'll bring you back again. that does it for us tonight, our live coverage will continue in just a moment.

good evening it's 10:00 p.m. out west. 1:00 a.m. out west. we begin tonight with breaking news overnight. the white house has decided tonight to delay the release of the travel ban again. aids had pledged a will roll out tomorrow but it is n