that will wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." my colleague katy tur picking thing s now. we follow the big questions following the president's kinder, gentler speech. that's focus at the white house between the president and gop leadership. about last night, supporters are cheering it, but critics say the message was hollow, full of misleading statements and old campaign promises. >> we want all americans to succeed, we must restore integrity and the rule of law at our borders. the time has come for a new program of national rebuilding. we will provide massive tax relief for the middle class. i am not going to let america and its great companies and workers be taken advantage of us any longer. sdmroot country looks a lot

like the room did last night -- divided. although there was no olive branch to the other side, there was a demand. work together or america's future will be at stake. >> the time for small thinking is over. the time for trivial fights is behind us. we just need the courage to share the dreams that fill our hearts. everything that is broken in our country can be fixed. every problem can be solved and every hurting family can find healing and hope. >> we have got our teams fanned out across the country and outside the beltway as well as in d.c. let's go to kelly o'donnell who's inside the white house. talk to me about how the white house is planning on following up with what was largely accepted to be a well-received speech? >> reporter: well, trying to give some room for those good reviews to sort of settle in and to try to maximize what they

believe was a good night for the president, where he was able to lay out a vision that they think matches what many of his supporters want. and also believing there are elements in that that could reach across the aisle, could reach support among those who have not been sure about president trump so far. also giving room to do work behind the scenes. this kind of speech is never meant to be chock-full of specifics but he laid out policy ideas that will require a lot of difficult work in washington to accomplish. things like immigration, for example. so, by meeting with top congressional leaders from the republican party here today at the white house, a chance to sort of take in a breath, look at what can be done, talk about policy ideas, gauge how things were received and see -- knowing this president likes to stress his negotiating skills, what was laid on the table in terms of ideas, like oe talked about the merit-based immigration as one example, and other ways they might be able to achieve something that can be passed.

much easier in the house of representatives where they have a dominant majority, much tougher in the senate where it's such a narrow one. i think the initial reaction from the white house is one of trying to take a bit of a victory lap and at the same time capitalize on what they believe is momentum to try to actually accomplish a few things in short order using that as, perhaps, a little lift in their sails. >> we also have our friend robert costa of "the washington post." your sources are telling you they were a bit surprised in the white house that the pundits were having such a positive reaction to donald trump's speech because the policy wasn't changing? >> that's exactly right, katy. i woke up this morning and connected with my sources inside the white house and said, what do you make of the reaction? they said, we're actually, frankly, surprised that different pundits on different networks and different papers are embracing this speech. some kind of toned down president trump. they said they set out to have a different kind of tone, an inside voice as one of them put to me, but when it came to his

policies, there was still the populism, still the steve bannon nationalism, the stephen miller recommendations on immigration policies, the fingerprints of attorney general sessions were everywhere. on presentation they said there was a moderate sheen, but this was still the same president trump. they're going along with some health care policies in the house and on taxes. in terms of the broader agenda, nothing has changed, in their view. >> to that, charlie sykes, this was a milder tone, a softer tone, one certainly that republicans are applauding. they wanted to see this more presidential version of donald trump. this is the question we always ask -- can it last? >> that is a good question. it helped him, it will reassure jittery republicans, but give it a minute. how many times have we had this discussion, is he going to make a pivot, is he going to make a turn? i think robert costa's piece is very important. the point here is nothing actually changed. there is no policy. he is the same donald trump as

he was 24 hours previous. >> and he does have this ability to change his tune when he needs to be in a different audience or needs to give a different style of speech. we have seen that from time to time in the campaign trail. this certainly was quite different from what we're used to with donald trump. >> it was a solid speech. although i do think with the exception of robert costa, there's almost a battered pundit syndrome going on out there. he comes home and he's not abusive and he's not drunk so we're so incredibly grateful, it's so incredibly good. again, you would hope the white house, they would be sitting around saying, you know, when you dial it down from 11, you get good results. there are positive reviews that are out there. >> the bar is much lower. let's go to robby mook, former clinton campaign manager. robby, what didn't he say last night? >> well, i think as the panel has just said, what's stunning to me about this is that the speech was devoid of any specifics whatsoever. it was full of the same

platitudes we heard on the campaign. but this is one of the first times we've seen donald trump be anything remotely close to well behaved. all of a sudden, you know, we're heaping praise on him because he wasn't abusive, he wasn't insulting, he wasn't erratic. you know, that wild temperament we're so used to didn't flame up. look, i think any patriotic person in our country wants our president to be successful. i certainly count myself in that group. but i think, you know, faung over him paying close attention to the teleprompter and delivering on the talking points he got is a little excessive at this point. let's look at what he's done. at every juncture his policies have been divisive. we haven't seen him deliver on the core promise, which was to make life better for working people. we heard him talk about cutting taxes for the richest people in the country. we heard more divisive

rhetoric -- i think we need to hold him accountable for delivering on the tone that we heard. i think it's encouraging that he did have a lighter tone. let's hold him accountable for continuing that. >> kasie hunt on capitol hill. the broad strokes from this speech on policy, tell me what's going to be most tricky going forward to get it passed through congress? >> reporter: well, there's a lot of hurdles here. frankly, they have a pretty ambitious agenda. they to want do health reform, they want to do tax reform, they want to do infrastructure, now maybe the president wants to do immigration. any one of these things would normally be enough to tie congress up in knots for many, many months. trying to do them all at once is quite an undertaking. each one is finding hurdles within the republican party. forget about where democrats stand. the one i want to highlight is repeal and replace of the health care law. they campaigned aggressively on repealing obamacare throughout the course of the last year. and there had been this kind of

consensus that they should repeal and replace at the same time because there were a lot of republicans who were worried if you repeal it, there's no replacement. that leaves a lot of people hanging. potentially they have to answer for all of the results and political problems. we're starting to see legislative language. that prompted backlash from conservatives who are focused on one particular piece of it. a section that would give tax credits to people to help them buy insurance and that is suddenly getting a lot of push back. it's something leaders here in the capitol have supported to far, but suddenly conservative rank and file are not so willing to jump on board with. i talked to senator ted cruz about it earlier today. i think we can play a piece of that, if we have it. >> for six years we've been promising the american people we'll repeal obamacare. we have to keep our word on that. and the president, quite rightly, laid out a set of principles that should govern replacing obamacare. >> reporter: but you're not ready to say yes to tax credits

quite yet? >> in 2015 virtually every republican in both houses of congress stroetd repeal most of obacare. think we should start with that 2015 repeal language. >> reporter: you will note he did not say repeal and replace and he refused to say he would support tax credits as a way to help replace this law. that is going to underscore, i think, what is an emerging divide where leadership want to be on this issue and where the rank and file conservatives may come down. why is that important? it could sink the whole thing. this is, as president trump said, recently, extraordinarily complicated. katy? >> nobody knew that, nobody. kelly o'donnell, let's talk about what was supposed to happen today. there was supposed to be a revised executive order on the travel ban. why is it not coming out today? >> reporter: all of the guidance we this is this would be the day for a retooled travel ban. we've seen the deadlines on that slip and slip and slip. and the press secretary is

telling us there was nothing officially announced. they're going to take all the time they need to take. sort of the other story to that is to give a little bit more space to talk about issues that are less controversial than the travel ban that came out of the speech last night. things we've been discussing here where they think they have a little more room to move forward and not attract another firestorm of criticism. so we don't know exactly how quickly that will happen. and it may look different than the first one. we knew there would be some response to some of the court challenges that are still in progress to try to adjust the seven countries that are involved, the rules regarding those persons who would be restricted from travel into the u.s. so, they're taking a pause. instead we'll seat president talk about education in the coming days. something he stressed last night and something that has broader support and a little softer in tone instead of something we saw drove headlines and drove criticism for days.

>> charlie, they're taking a pause on this. they sold this as something that needed to happen -- >> guy says would rush into the country -- >> if we don't do it right now, we're not going to be safe. that's why the president doesn't need any oversight on this. he's protecting the american people. now he's saying they want to enjoy this victory lap from last night's speech? >> who knew pdits from last night's speech would suddenly change the national security evaluation of allf this? that whole justification for rushing that through is even if you gave a heads up, a 48-hour heads up, the terrorist would rush into the country. again, one of the many iron aie of this administration. >> one of the ideas from last night is donald trump would come out and propose some compromise on immigration, some sort of bill that would allow people in this country who did not have papers, who would be able to find legal status in this country. we didn't quite hear that last night. was that something where he really fell short on a potential olive branch to the democratic

party? >> i think that's absolutely right. and the american people want comprehensive immigration reform. it's a very popular thing. i just -- gerngs i'm skeptical. i think he had a good night because he followed the teleprompter. as the other contributor said, they're having a good day and that's been a rare thing, so i think they're trying to dial back and bask in the glow of this. boy, i don't see how something constructive grows out of this. what's disappointing about that is the bipartisan consensus really is there to pass something real. we hear more stories today about people being denied visas because, again, i think it's important to remember, a restriction on people in countries except where he's doing business. so, look, let's take a look. maybe they'll come with something reasonable. i do think it's a missed opportunity f nothing else, to get something really positive done. >> robert, donald trump is going to get back on the road as of

tomorrow. this weekend he'll be at mara l mar mar-a-lago. >> before he heads to mar-a-lago, the president will be in virginia giving a speech about military spending. you see him making that a priority for his budget, $54 billion in increased is his recommendation offset by $54 billion in cuts across domestic agencies, including the environmental protection agency. trump sees an opportunity to maybe bring the hawks and republican party who are very skeptical of him, privately and publicly, senators like john mccain, to come to his side. he doesn't support this defense sequestration, these automatic budget cuts. last night in the chamber of the hois, you saw senator mccain stand up and applaud when trump spoke about military spending. whether this is a long-term good feeling among these hawks

towards trump we'll have to wait and see. >> kelly o'donnell, kasie hunt, robby mook, charlie sykes and robert costa, thank you for joining me. vice president mike pence will join "for the record with greta" at 6:00 p.m. tonight. we're asking in our microsoft pulse question, are you more hopeful common ground can be found after donald trump's address to congress? let us know what you think at puls pulse.msnbc.com. the moment that brought everyone to their feet. a fallen navy s.e.a.l. and his wife honored in the chamber. under it all are the questions about the success of that mission that took ryan owens' life. a republican senator joins me next with his view. anything els. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing.

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warrior and a hero, battling against terrorism and securing our nation. ryan's legacy is etched into eternity. thank you. thank you. >> that was the widow of navy s.e.a.l. william ryan owens in what was the most emotional moment of last night. the audience rose to his feet as trump paid tribute to owens who lost hisife to a january raid in yemen, the first military operation ordered by trump after

he took office. there are a lot of questions about that raid which resulted in a 50-minute fire fight that left owens dead, killed 25 civilians, including 9 young children and destroyed a $75 million helicopter. despite this, the president agained the mission last night. >> i just spoke to our great general mattis just now, who reconfirmed that, and i quote, ryan was a part of a highly successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence that will lead to many more victories in the future against our enemy. >> yet multiple senior u.s. officials teld nbc news exclusively that the raid has so far yielded no significant intelligence. let's go live to capitol hill with republican senator james inhofe of oklahoma, member of the senate armed services committee. senator, thank you for joining me. i want to first start off with

that raid in yemen. at least half a dozen senior officials across the government who are familiar with the intelligence related to that operation have told nbc news that the raid so far has not yield any valuable or significant intelligence. how do you respond to their assertions? >> well, first of all, i don't believe that. and i'm not sure they're actually making that statement. this thing was put together and was planned during the obama administration. then it was approved finally after a long period of time. not just by president trump and not just by the vice president, but by mattis and everybody else. any time you have an operation like this, you don't know exactly what you're going to produce. i believe mattis when he said they got valuable information. i believe mattis over whoever is trying to torpedo the operati from the other side. >> on a human level, there's a lot to suggest this raid did not go as planned. in addition to the death of ryan owens, six other service members

were injured, $aircraft was destroyed and 25 civilians were killed, 9 under the age of 13. is that consistent with a well-planned and successful operation? is it worth it. >> no, obviously, something went wrong. anything that would go wrong in an operate like this, covert operation, thing can't go off exactly as planned. that doesn't mean you shut down the tent, you don't try to find information that's going to save american lives. you can overly dramatize it, talking about the loss of lives in this thing. yes, we all regret something went wrong in this operation. but if this is the only one you've heard in recent years even, i can tell you, you're not looking close enough because every once in a while this is going to have to happen. have you to get information from the enemy. you have to be in a position where you can do an operation and gather the information. if you don't, you have to think of the downside, how many hundreds or thousands of people could die.

now, they got information. if mattis says that, i believe it. >> so, who is responsible for the death? i ask you this because yesterday in an interview before his speech, president trump has seemed to indicate that it wasn't him. let's take a listen. >> this was a mission that was started before i got here. this is something that was, you know, they wanted to do. and they came to see me. they explained what they wanted to do, the generals and are very well respected. my generals are the most well respected in decades, i believe. and they lost ryan. >> senator, those words right there, they lost ryan. a lot of folks say those wds should have been, w lt ryan. >> i think it could go either way. let's keep in mind, we just talked about when it was planned. that's not controvertible. nobody questions that. it was brought to him. i hadn't seen that particular clip before. if it was brought to him, obviously it was because it was

planned before he became president of the united states. that along with many other things were brought to him. that had a timing on it. it had something if you're going to go ahead and implement it, improve it, go with it, it's going to have to be right now. he was faced with that. i don't see anything inconsistent other than the word "they" and you could take that either way. >> let's talk about russia. the president seemed to have tougher talk for nato last night, more so than russia's leader. what's your take? >> say that again. i'm sorry. >> talking on russia. last night during the speech, donald trump had tougher talk for nato and our allies than he did for russia or its leader vladimir putin. >> no, you're talking about having -- he had conversations with them. >> no, no, i'm talking about last night in the speech, talking about nato and how they need to pay their fair share and america won't be -- >> oh, okay. that's a different issue. >> he didn't talk about russia at all. >> i can understand that.

nato is -- well, of course, nato is something he said negative things about. he was referring to the fact that the burden-sharing is not proper between the different countries. and so he is now a supporter of nato. i just got back from afghanistan. i got back from several of the countries over there. and they're very pleased that nato is a very integral part and we're participating. however, they even admit that they have not been paying their share. that's a major issue. now, as far as talking to russia's concern, that's not what russia is all about. >> i understand that. why go so hard on nato in his speech and not go hard on russia as well? why leave it out entirely? there's been a lot of questions surrounding donald trump and his ties to russia, his campaign and its ties to russia. and these are questions still unanswered. why would he not come out last night and stand very tough against russia and its leader

and the incursions not only made into the ukraine but also politically here in the u.s.? >> katy, you know, when you put together a major speech like that, you have to make a determination. now, if he had mentioned russia if any context at all, then you and several other people who might end up being his critics would find something about that to criticize him for. the fact he didn't talk about russia and did talk about nato but recognized nato, there are some problems with our relationship. i don't see anything that is a problem in terms of not directly talking about russia. because he knew the criticism he would get if he did that. he was trying. he was trying. i think he succeeded in making a very positive statement, looking at the future. it's optimistic. good things are going to happen to america. we haven't heard that in a long time. i think we respectfully did that. >> respectfully, i don't count myself as donald trump's critics. i count myself as a journalist. thank you for joining us.

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you can't completely disconnect the two. the disconnect is will this translate to that american worker that donald trump got to support? income inequality has been a growing issue over the last five years. president trump was the first leader to say, i'm going to fix this for you. here we have, he's announcing tax cuts, we're going to have infrastructure -- >> obamacare, res leg rags laish. >> without obamacare, small businesses can thrive. look at the markets. this has helped investors. that forgotten worker, they don't own stocks. >> rich people are getting richer? >> rich peopler are getting richer. quet s will poor people get poorer? think about in president trump's budget all the social things being cut. when they reinvest they could spend that money on technology. they could pocket that money. they could buy back stocks. it's unclear if there's a true road to create jobs.

>> you know, spend the money on automation, which is technology. are these coal mining jobs coming back, are these manufacturing jobs coming back or have they already gone the way of automation and there's turning back now? >> there's some level of both. also, you have business people now in the cabinet. one of the things the market likes so much is saying, well president trump's speech last night basically said, i've got these ideas. 're going to let these guys do the work. the people around them are extraordinary business people with business pragmatism and principles. that doesn't mean they can get anything done in washington. washington is where big ideas go to die. this infrastructure plan, tax policy plan, they're great ideas, we've yet to see them executed. >> we'll see if this only helps the rich. so far it's looking that way. stephanie ruhle, thank you so much. president trump also talked about the border last night. so, what do those who live on the border think? we'll go there next. first, as we head to break, could it be trump versus oprah

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we want all americans to succeed, but that can't happen in an environment of lawless chaos. we must restore integrity and the rule of law at our borders. >> president trump received a standing ovation from republican lawmakers when he delivered that line last night. he called for strengthening our borders. it's the message that he repeats a lot. so far, is it being received as enthusiastically among those who actually live at the border itself? we're going to go to nbc's gadi

schwartz, give you a different view. so far, what are people saying down there in nogales? >> reporter: hi, katy. i want to apologize for the buzzing. we want to show you what's going on with this drone. this is exactly why ranchers around here are angry. this right here is where the border fence ends and a barbed wire fence begins stretching for miles. about an hour away, we met a rancher named jim showing the barbed wire fencing on his property saying drug smugglers constantly cut. he shows us hill tops saying senaloa cartels bring drugs through his ranch, and he has come face-to-face with drug smugglers. he says -- for him it's a safety issue for his family and a

humanitarian issue to immignts who are dangerous -- who pay people to smuggle them through his ranch. he loved what he heard from president trump last night. >> we need to get rid of the rascals that are here, that are undocumented and poisoning our neighborhoods with crimes. we need to all come together and give people an opportunity in this country to live legally. >> reporter: and that was him talking about the possibility of donald trump looking at a path for legal status for millions of undocumented respects here. something chilton says he supports. another thing, he says he doesn't care who pays for this wall, he doesn't care if it's mexico or the united states. he says that's something the two

katy, back to you. >> you've been down to nogales for 40 or so days, for the first 100 days of the trump presidency. tell me about the general consensus about how residents feel the president is going in? >> reporter: so far, we heard a lot of rhetoric from president trump. we've also seen border patrol out here. we've talked to some border patrol agents. off the record they said they do support donald trump, the ones we've spoken to, and they're inspired by this idea that their handcuffs are off and they can do their jobs. when it comes to actually seeing change out here, seeing any of the wall going up, we haven't seen that and residents are kind of holding off. >> goadi schwartz, who sounds like he's going to be taken over

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american public want done. and we've got congress people -- senators, congress people that don't even want to listen to him. >> reporter: the advice from people in small town america, those who were watching the speech last night, those who still think that this country has a long way to go in terms of uniting itself and perhaps representing all americans, well, they say people should come over to a place like janelle's diner and settle their differences in the small town america way -- over a cup of coffee at a corner table. back to you. >> over a cup of coffee at a corner table. nobody does it like kevin tibbles. thank you very much. a dangerous storm is still churning after spawning deadly storms in the midwest. we'll take a look at the damage and where it could hit next. let's take a look at what you're saying about today's microsoft pulse question.

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as republicans in congress applauded president trump during his speech last night, one former gop lawmaker was tweeting from home. let's just say ron paul's tweets were not exactly complimentary of the commander in chief. the former texas congressman tweeted 33 times during the president's address. the final tweeted was a libertarian grade of the speech and that was an "f "for plans and strategy and a d-minus

overall. congressman, thank you for joining me, number one. tell me, why did you give donald trump such poor grades last night? >> well, you have to realize, i was analyzing this from a libertarian viewpoint. most people are analyzing it from a democratic viewpoint or republican viewpoint. but a libertarian looks at it, you know, we want less war, less spending. we don't more militarization. we don't like more debt, so i would say that from a libertarian viewpoint, it wasn't much we could be cheering about. it looks like there will continue to be a war on drugs and marijuana. that's not conducive to protecting civil liberties in this country. there was no expression of real concern with debt. that, to me, is a problem. and the subject of the real culprit in our weak economy happens to be monetary policy something, i've talked about for years. most people are starting to recognize that there is a great significance about our federal

reserve system contributing to some of the problems we have. so, i didn't get to hear any of that. i thought it was more, you know, more of the same with a variation of what i've heard for the 30 years i've been involved in politics. >> what do you think of your former former -- your former congressman -- or your former fellow congressman, that's what i was looking for, applauding at gop members applauding at an expanded role the government could take, applauding at spending more money? >> yes. even when trump -- i think he was talking about cutting something on foreign aid and republicans are fighting with him. no, i think that shows you that the congress has been pretty inept to standing up to the executive branch. something i've always said congress should be protecting the people and protecting us, and exert their authority, such as the war issue and things like this, but they don't. and i would say that the

republicans are joining in with the spending. i'm very fearful of the foreign policy because right now i think there's a growing number of people who are working together to further bash russia and paint them as the enemy and maybe stir up trouble there. republicans and many democrats who just don't like trump. so, i think foreign policy is a big issue for me. and i think with him appointments, mcmaster wants more troops over there. the amount of money, what's conservative about increasing the military budget and ignoring defense? every time you spend money on the military, doesn't mean you're helping defense. you might be annoying people who make us more vulnerable and we might be less secure. and any spending that goes along, but there is a segment of conservatives and basically the supply siders have argued, republicans spend too much time worrying about deficit. we don't have to worry about that, but liberals are known to be that way.

but then they come up with these crazy schemes of saying, well, this dynamic scoring, we're going to stimulate the economy, we're going to take it from 2% to 4%. it's going to pay all the bills, don't worry, don't worry about the deficit. so, didn't sound like less government to me. it sounded like trying to actually appease democrats to some degree where they like infrastructure spending. i think those kind of things will get passed easily. the military spening is going to get passed, too. and i just don't think that i've done a very good job over the years, or doesn't seem to be too many libertarians in the u.s. congress. >> i don't mean to interrupt but i want to get through -- i want to talk about some tweets you sent out last night. you sent out, i believe, 33 of them. one you were criticizing the president's use of the term radical islamic terrorism. you say, protect against radical islamic terrorism? you can't do it until you understand concept of blowback. that's notable because donald

trump's national security adviser h.r. mcmaster according to one of my sources, did tell president trump to take it out ofs his speech. he didn't tell him to. he recommended he take it out of his speech because he said it would be counterproductive to try and alienate a number of muslims in the process. what is your take? >> that's a good strategy because people are starting to wake up to this effect. but they haven't minced words on we are going to expand. we will go anyplace, any spot to root out anybody who's a terrorist. well, they're suspects, you know, this sort of thing. they're madder than the devil. they're furious with us. because, you know, we're bombing their country. that's why there's migration all over europe. we have participated in the destruction of many, many countries in the middle east. so that does not seem to be changing. i think they're bearing down on that. mcmaster wants to use troops -- actually, obama was a little more reserved.

he cut back troops on the ground getting killed. that wasn't a solution because people still get angry at you from bombing people. but, no they want to change that policy. they want to g away from that. they want more troops on the ground. i think it's a very dangerous trend away from, you know, the little bit of effort that was done the last several years to try to avoid some of these conflicts. >> former texas congressman, ron paul. i was trying keep up with you. you were talking so fast and my mouth doesn't quite move as fast as yours does, congressman. thank you for joining us. >> you're welcome. before we leave you, we want to go back to a moment we had earlier today. a simple thank you from president after his address to congress last night. many are asking if it's a sign of trump changing hi tone. before we leave you, we want to go to historian doris kerns goodwin. with my colleague, andrea mitchell, she gave historical advice.

>> if he's going to be able to leave this message lie, then he only has to tweet when he's happy, not angry. there should be a fake twitter account when he's angry and nobody should see it except for him and his family. >> the results are in, 43.3 million people watched his speech, down from 52 million who watched president obama's speech back in 2009. that wraps things up for me this hour. i'm katy tur. ali velshi picks things up for kate snow. >> i really enjoy that conversation with ron paul. we've had our debates and disagreements over the years, but he thinks very clearly. >> does he. >> he does talk fast. >> he does talk fast and he keeps going and he's a great interview. >> he really is. a lot of personality. >> i think you meant it as a compliment when you said he talked really fast. >> i did. >> you're a fast talker, so am i and we have to work fast as we have a lot of news. i'm ali velshi in for kate snow. our top stories. it's a big final hour on wal