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richard lui in new york. thanks for joining us. we're going to start this hour with a war of words between president trump and former president obama that just started today. this morning president trump lobbed some explosive allegations that obama wiretapped trump tower. this in a series of tweets comparing it to watergate and mccarthyism. he called president obama a bad and sick guy. he did not offer any proof or sources of what led him to make this accusation, though. obama spokesperson responded in statement saying, in part, "neither president obama nor my white house official ever ordered it surveillance on any u.s. citizen. any suggestion otherwise is simply false. a senior u.s. official backing up that claim telling nbc news he and others have no idea what president trump is talking about. the claims appear to come from right wing outlets. those reports saying two pfisa

warrants were requested in june, and another one in the fall. given president trump's wild watergate claims, it's worth remembering the contest. it has that he last july publically called on russia to hack his political opponent. >> russia, if you are listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. >> senior political editor. jeff, thanks for being here. a lot has happened since the last two hours you and i spoke. responses are coming out against the accusations, unfounded at least as coming from president trump about president obama, ordering the wiretaps. we don't know what type. you and i talked about this, it being fisa, but there could be others too. >> the main thing we know at this hour is that nobody in trump world is coming out to

explain or clarify what on earth president trump is talking about. we had reporting from pete williams, and others in our investigative team, as you mentioned, saying nobody seems to know what president trump is talking about, and, yes, these allegations of some wiretapping going on during the election have been promulgated in right wing media. we know that breitbart which is something president trump reads quite a bit and was helmed by steve bannon, has circulated this thought that perhaps this was going on during the election. that federal officials were looking into russian kicks in trump tower. honestly, we don't know where president trump is getting this information. whether it was from the bre breitbart story or someplace more official. whether through the law enforcement -- law enforcement in the federal government, intelligence agencies, nothing. nobody from trump's world has come out to talk about this and explain to us where this has come from. >> saturday morning you and i

talked about this before on saturdays and sundays. the president will get up. in this case perhaps reading a headline, feeling a certain way. one of the discussions the reports are that he felt under siege. this after so many associations, so many questions have been made here about what has happened in the past with russia and the united states. many saying this is another weekend diversionary tactic wrrks a red herring. >> it certainly seems to a lot of us watching this presidency over this past six weeks that he doesn't have great impulse control. he jumps on to twitter to voice his frustrations or his sense of feeling under siege without necessarily his staff or his team knowing that he is going to go out there and do this. i mean, our reporting has shown that he didn't consult with anybody within the government before going out and making these tweets. we're all kind of left to read the tea leaves and try to understand what he is saying and where he is getting his information from. >> the flip side, there still could have been potentially wiretaps, and we have no information thereof. >> that's right.

we don't know. president trump may know something that we don't know. there's just a lot of mystery and a lot of questions being raised right now. >> if there were to be any happening. that's the real question. >> the notion that president obama personally approved of a wiretap of trump tower is extremely unlikely, and it certainly would not be legal, and his spokesperson is completely denying it. >> beth, thank you so much for stopping by. again, appreciate it. >> you bet. >> supporters of the president did hold what was billed as a march for trump in cities across the country. this as these tweets were coming out today. president trump took a moment to wave to supporters, gathered on a bridge to his mar-a-lago estate in palm beach. warm down there too. in austin, texas, rally goers chanted and waved banners where, here's what some had to say about why they support the president. >> i think there are things out there that our president is

going to do that is questionable because he has to make hard decisions, and we should question that at times, and we should look to the media to really hammer him because the mainstream media is just constantly focussing on every little thing. it's like i can't even -- i can't even watch it. >> we just have to trump that donald trump has put the right people in power and they're going to take us, you know, forward in maybe eight years and point us in the right direction. just got to trust and believe. the media is putting a spin. i don't believe it's true. >> there are also pro-trump demonstrations held at new york city, denver, raleigh, and north carolina. let's get back to attorney general jeff sessions and the question of russia. he is going to be amending his testimony and -- we understand he will be meeting with president trump today at mar-a-lago as well. he is also mentioning go back to that testimony that he provided to senators earlier during his confirmation hearings.

president trufrm may have tried to deflect that criticism today when he unleashed that twitter storm accusing president obama of tapping his phones. trump also posting pictures of democrats nancy pelosi meeting with russian representatives and senator chuck schumer with russian president vladimir putin. for more on this i'm joined here in studio with congressman -- who sits on the house country on armed services. congressman, thanks for being here right now. does president trump have a point here? are these contacts with the russians -- are they being overblown or created? >> he is trying to state the issue and distract. the issue is that jeff sessions lied under oath, and if anyone does that, they ought to be resigned. there shouldn't be a double standard for jeff sessions. >> you have heard his criticism. he said when you look at chuck schumer, u.s. senator chuck schumer, and nancy pelosi and the democrats there in the house. he put out some pictures and said they also had contact, and evidently were unable to remember that they had these

contacts. therefore, jeff sessions should be ab solvsolved, and they are e same space. >> they are not testifying before congress. the issue is not whether jeff sessions had those contacts. that's separate, and there should be an investigation. he point-blank said he never met the ambassador under oath, and he lied. he admits those statements were inaccurate. >> whether it's a lie, are you going to go as far to say that he has also purged himself? >> that's for the courts to decide. >> that means intelligenceally. knowingly not speaking -- >> that means willfully, and i don't want to get to the legal question, but at the base fact of it, he misled those senators, and he hasn't admitted that he misled them. >> he has recused himself of any potential investigation that may come out of the department of justice. isn't that enough? >> well, it's not because it doesn't get to this point that we need to have transparency in government. consider if a junior person did this. when they had their background checks, and they're asked have

you ever had a contact with the foreign government, and they said no they didn't and it comes out that they did, they would be removed the next day. just because jeff sessions high profile, it doesn't give him a separate standard to the truth. we have a government of the law, and it's very important for him to be transparent. >> okay. we have the intel committee from the house and senate. we also have judiciary committees. they're ongoing. snoo we do have questions because of the republican control that will happen. >> this ought to be a bipartisan issue, and it not to focus on trump. it ought to focus on a foreign country's interference in our democratic process. let's investigate everything.

>> the president has said that improved relations would benefit the united states. do you agree? >> it's a separate issue. i actually think, you know, henry kissinger has said we ought to look at some form of rekroechment with russia and whether ukraine should be in naturo, and whether we should be expanding. that's a foreign policy question. we want to debate it. he is, again, distracting from the issue. this issue is did russia try to intervene in our democratic process? >> it's something you have talked about based on another development that happened today. this is the announcement we're getting from two sources that say come monday, the president will sign a new executive order on immigration, and immigration travel ban. what's your reaction to that? >> i haven't seen the specifics, but so far the executive order has bun unconstitutional. they've done things such as deprive people of access to lawyers. racially profiling individuals.

i want to see the specifics of this, but he needs to uphold the constitution. >> thank you so much appreciate your time. >> -- >> all right. joining me now is catherine, opinion columnist at the washington post. jessica taylor, lead digital employer from npr. where do you want to start? i guess we can start with -- which we were just talking about. attorney general jeff sessions at the moment. monday is the day. he will be resubmitting testimony to address questions that have come up since his inability to state that he remembered speaking here with the russian ambassador to the united states. what do you expect him to be putting in this resubmission? >> i think it will be very carefully worded. parsed as finely tuned as he can be, and he has to leave room that he has been telling truth in the past, which others have accused him of not doing when he

was asked point-blank did you have contact with the russians, and he kind of elaborated of his own val igs to say that he had not during the campaign. i think you will deflect accusations that he will step down. >> as a part of this, there is this question as we move to you hire, jessica. we got an update on the president's schedule from casey hunt, who has been with the president for nbc and msnbc. that update was that now we are going to see the attorney general sitting with the president for an hour and then sitting for a meal amongst three or four others that were added to the schedule. this just coming out within the last several hours. >> this is why they're meeting there in florida and added to the schedule within the last

couple of hours. >> this is the issue to address the executive order on immigration and travel ban coming out. he is not happy with sessions. you can see a disconnect on thursday when all of this was coming out, that you had trump in virginia beach saying he had full confidence. just hours later you had sessions sort of preempting that and taking these steps to recuse himself, but, you know, the bottom line here is that there was growing republican unrest with this too. you saw a lot of republicans coming forward. he says, you know, at minimum he needed recuse himself just to insure that there was no impropriety. we didn't have any republican calling on him to resign, but for republicans this was sort of a way to tafrp down this and say, okay, at least he can step aside, and there was the complicating factor that he was a major trump surrogate as well.

that was another complicating factor as well. >> when was he acting as a u.s. senator? what were those roles that he was taking on as he had any of these potential and reported -- catherine, this is just one of the cogs in the wheel that is still ongoing coming monday. the washington post showed 11 connections of team trump to either the russian government, russian business, and -- just potential unknown links in addition to that. when will all of this smoke be a fire as what the beltway is saying right now? there's so many different pieces of smoke right now. we're already in the middle of the fire. >> it's really hard to say. it's not improper for a sitting senator to meet with a russian ambassador, that we will actually probably see some other

occasions when people in the trump orbit maybe came into contact with people who are affiliated with russia. that's not in and of itself necessarily a bad thing. what is surprising is that they have denied it, right? that sessions himself, again, went out of his way to deny having any kind of contact with any representatives of the russian state, and that is what is suspicious here. you know, it would be possibly proper, you know, in a normal election year, for a normal senator, someone who was not becoming the attorney general to have contact with the russian ambassador. what we'll need to see going forward is what was the nature of this these kinds of interaks with people within the trump orbit with russian business leaders, russian politicians, ambassadors, diplomats, et cetera, and why do they go out of their way to deny any contact if, in fact, it was innocent? >> jessica, build on what was said there by catherine.

are we now at that eventually outcome, the recusal resubmission of testimony come monday. democrats, they wanted more. they wanted perjury. potentially resignation here. did they kind of trap themselves -- work themselves into a certain outcome and ability to discuss because they focus purely on perjury? >> well, i think that -- i think that the bigger inquiry is going to focus on what exactly was said. whether it was perjury or not. he said he couldn't recall exactly what they discussed or, you know, then even said at one point these ambassadors, they're kind of gossipy and things too. i think they'll want concrete anlsz of what was discussed, and you'll see other inquiries into did the russian ambassador meet with other senators? that's one of the key things that was in the times story was that it's -- it was very

curious. an ambassador can reach out, and sessions of the only one that he appeared to have done this with, and, of course, sessions was the senator that is closest with trump and really seemed to have an inside track to an administration job like he does right now. >> catherine, does the executive order on immigration redirect the storyline? the narrative come monday even though we will have a jeff sessions resubmission of testimony. >> i'm not sure it's going to tafrp down the flames of outrage. either surrounding the sessions storyline or of the previous executive order that we had. we'll have to wait and see what is in the new version, but commentary indicating that the new executive order will be just, you know, a sort of -- i'm not sure immigrant activists and civil liberties groups, for example, are going to suddenly stop complaining about

administration policies. we'll have to corps up some of the fires. >> so much and so much smoke as we were intimating a little earlier. i guess what we'll see is when they have that dinner at 6:30 p.m. there at mar-a-lago, potentially somebody -- get a sense of what they're talking about in florida on this very topic. catherine, thank you so much. jessica, you as well. both have a great saturday. >> thank you. zploog republican senator lindsey graham responding to president trump's accusations of wiretapping against former president obama. during a town hall as he faced voters in his home state of south carolina. we'll go there next to find out what his constituents had to say about this very topic. ♪ ♪ ♪

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university. he told his constituents where he stands on the it donald trump administration. take a listen. >> may not like the outcome of this election, but i am going to help the man who won this election hem him govern a nation that is under siege internationally, has problems back here at home. i'm going to honor the results of this election. i feel duty-bound to help him when i can, say no when i must, and when it comes to russia, it goes wherever it goes. >> vaughn hilliard in clemson where he saw the senator get a mixture of boos. he is trying to split a difference, and he has been clear about what he thinks. is he trying to split that difference between what happens this morning and those -- the messages that were coming from those who were in the audience. >> he said, listen, i'll still a conservative and a republican who supports my party. this is a chance. they have the house and the senate, and they own the white

house wlsh they have the opportunity to push through real reform that is they have not had the opportunity to do in decades. really what he is saying here when you are looking particularly at the russia issue, he says listen, aye been one of the fiercest critics of donald trump since the campaign. also, he also voted for evan mcmullan, the independent running for president. not donald trump. while there is about 1,000 people that filled in this theater, most of them democrats or we'll call them anti-trumpers that were here, and he pushed back and tried to give assurance saying, hey, i believe we should strengthen sanctions on russia and fully vecht russians' interference in approximate the u.s. election, ask then in regards to the tweets that are this morning, this was his response. >> if the former president of the united states was able to obtain a warrant lawfully to monitor trump's campaign for violating the law, that would be the biggest scandal since watergate. i'm very worried our president is suggesting that the former

president has done something illegally. i would be very worried if, in fact, the obama administration was able to obtain a warrant lawfully about trump campaign activity with foreign governments. >> just in the last hour, richard, actually ben, the senator out of nebraska, gave a similar statement on paper to what lindsey graham said this morning pretty much saying you've got a skajsds one way or the other. if donald trump is implying that he was wiretapped, then the question was whether the fisa court gave the obama administration a warrant because they actually believed that there was -- that there was reason to believe that there was potential collusion between the trump campaign and russia. then on the other side he is suggesting that perhaps the obama administration without a warrant if they went about it that way and went and wiretapped the administration, and that would be a scandal of watergate-like proportions at the same time. >> what was the sense you get there, vaughn, of the senator -- senator graham, about he and his

team's take-away as they walked away from that town hall. lindsey graham has been one of the come face-to-face with constituents. i actually caught lindsey graham on his way out driving out of the white house, and he said, listen, this was the chance to listen to people's kearns. people are frustrated and fearful, particularly on the affordable care act, and what a potential replacement plan, and he was even the one that said he has not seen a replacement plan. he understands people's concerns, and he said this was the chance to listen p to what they were saying. >> we're watching some of the video here, different colors. >> sure. sure. you've got the green sign, and you have the red sign. they were handing these out at the door before. there was multiple groups that are involved in this, and they kind of come together beforehand talking with people, and they say if approximate you agree with something that the senator

has said, raise up your green sign and cheer. if you don't agree with what was said, raise up your red sign, and you can guess the amount of boos and jeers that come with that. >> more greens or reds? >>. >> today there was a few more reds. remind you, he is still a republican senator. vaughn hilliard, love your reporting. thank you for that report. >> thank you. >> coming up at 5:50 eastern, we'll talk to the woman who called on senator graham to have town hall meetings. stick around for that. the president has provided no proof to back up his story that he was wiretapped by former president obama before the election. we're going to still stay on that story next. we fact checked president trump's claims to see if there's any truth, and the programming note here for you. stay with us this evening for a special reairing of the rachel maddow show. rachel reports on a department of homeland security document obtained exclusively by the rachel maddow show that shows the national security justification for donald trump's travel ban is not credible.

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here are the stories we're following right now for you. a manhunt underway right now for the man who brutally stabbed a 23-year-old nursing student to death. authorities say tiffany ferguson died tuesday after the attacker snuck into her apartment, stabbed her, and then he fled. ferguson's funeral was earlier today. boston, washington d.c., and denver. in most cases the pro-trump crowds were meant by aept trump protesters as well. this hour we're fact checking president trump's tweets that he made early this morning that accused president obama of ordering trump tower to be bugged in october.

just before the election according to what trump is saying. the intelligence and national security supporter from the nbc investigative unit is with us from washington. you had a lot to do today, and that's to fact check these tweets that have been made by president trump. whatsoever proof might he have here? >> well, richard, eight hours later we don't have any, and there are a couple of layers to this. let me break it down for you. there's what the stunning allegations that the president made in tweets where that former president barack obama ordered wiretaps of president trump and then candidate trump in trump tower. the president has no authority to order that kind of wiretap. it would come from the fbi. the fbi would have to convince a judge that somebody in trump tower was an agent of a foreign power. then let's look. okay, is there something behind this because there is conservative media saying not what trump said, but saying that

there are fiza wiretaps in trump tower, and we believe that trump has had access to that media in recent days. even that is unconfirmed by any reputable u.s. news organization. we just don't know. we can't rule it out. a u.s. official said they have no idea, and he wasn't briefed by them, richard. >> as we looked at the timeline here. the first one was at 6:30 eastern time. then a few minutes later president trump repeated the claim, and he said they had been turned down by a court earlier. turned down by a court, but the question is which court? we have fieza courts and other courts clearly throughout our judiciary here in the united states.

>> it's not verified by any major u.s. media. the bbc and others have reported -- alleged the existence of a fiza application, and then a fiza warrant to eavesdrop on trump associates as part of this investigation. it is occurring. >> aren't these top secret, ken? >> they are highly, highly classified, and i'm skeptical that british media hasn't been able to confirm the existence of something that major u.s. news organizations haven't. anything is possible. it could have exist. what's been clear from what we've been lerg all day is that there was no wiretap of donald trump himself. how does one or where might one go to verify this claim? what's the next step, especially you and the investigative unit would go to either confirm or not confirm? ? >> as we are doing with the entire russian investigation, we're talking to anybody that can talk about what the fbi and u.s. government is doing

understanding it's highly classified. the other issue is that donald trump is the president of the united states. he is the ultimate declassification authority. if he believes there is a wiretap or a court order to wiretap trump tower, committee tell us tomorrow he can provide the evidence. that would be a great way to buttress his assertions. >> ken delanie, and thank you so much for that. >> thank you. >> all right. i want to bring in democratic strategist atima and john hart. thank you both for being here. john, let's start with this wiretapping here. what do you think this means? you heard lindsey graham. he was saying, you know, russia is a very serious issue. we have two ways of looking at this. both are very not good. one you have a president accusing a former president without having any sort of source, any evidence here accusing a former president of doing something illegal. on the other side if he is ekt

kr, you have a u.s. president doing something illegal. >> i think president trump might be playing what i would call three or four dimensional chess with the media. i think is he creating a diversion and a distraction, and we can debate whether that's wise or not. you know, ken had some very valid questions that were on many investigative pieces. he is a great reporter. he is doing his job very effectively. you know, i would counter, and i would really caution democrats in the sort of age of scandal and age of trump to not get too carried away with the conspiracy theories and these notions about what trump may or may not have done with the russians. republicans made this mistake in the 1990s when they opposed bill clinton. so much of our energy was focused on pushing stories like white water that never amounted anything. republicans succeeded in impeaching president clinton and republicans were a less popular as a result. we lost seats in 1998, and it hurt the party in the long run

by fixating on clinton's flaws instead of talking about what we're for. i think trump is playing the media right now. he is taking attention away from some issues and twaowards this, and that's my best explanation. groo yeah. >> he is a mystifying figure for sure. we're seeing that he is very capab capable. >> we're seeing in news cycles where this will come up. we've seen a lot on saturdays and sundays where he will come out with these sorts of tweet storms as weave been calling them. atima, react here to what was said here by john. should democrats -- are they overblowing this? should they just let things go at this moment? do you believe that this is a diversionary tactic? i would agree it is a diversionary tactic. he is good at the bait and switch when things are getting hot water for him politically. what i would sis agree with, john on is the fact that, you know, we're trying to find

something that isn't there there, like whitewater in the 1990s for the republicans. here you've got flynn who resigned. after he lied skprm misled pence, however you choose to say it, by his having communication with russia. we have sessions in a hearing under oath telling franken had no communication with russians and then to say, oh, he had talked to the russian ambassador several times during the campaign. you know, there are reasons where there's smoke there's sometimes fire, and that's definitely what we're trying to look at, and this is been bipartisan calls for, you know, sessions to recuse himself, which he now has. you know, we're going to continue to follow those smoke signals. i think as long as there's questions there, those questions need to be answered. so far they haven't. not all completely. >> not all completely. >> that's what's keeping many reporters busy there in the beltway. john, as part of what has been released coming from this administration just today, whether you see it as a

diversionary tactic or not, it's word that we're going to get a new executive order on the travel ban. we also got word today that added to his schedule late in the day that the attorney general lake-effect meeting with the head of dhs with the president right about now in the next hour or so. then he is going to sit down with a larger group there in mar-a-lago. all of these developments within the last three hours. do you think this is a concern about what jeff sessions did, recusing himself and the president not wanting that reportedly? do you think it's going to be about this executive order, and do you think the executive order coming up on monday as i was mentioning earlier, part of diverting attention from the russian connection question. >> well, the executive order, i think it's important to get that right. obviously that was mishandled initially. it was not written as clearly as it should have been. it was wildly misunderstood and misapplied in many respects. i think there's going to be a

lot of attention paid towards getting that correct, and i do think he is going to have a conversation with sessions about, you know, being very precise in what his words need to be in terms of clarifying. er you can play. they're playing six degrees of vladimir putin that everyone has a connection to vladimir putin in some way. chuck schumer does, nancy pelosi, and democrats lost the election. >> there's all these connections. the washington post just within the last 24 hours released a very clear graphic showing 1 1 confirmed ties and 1 1 different individuals of the trump team with russia government officials or russia business, and it also laid out half a dozen potential links, which are still being looked into. we're talking about 18 different links here more or less.

how would that hurt democrats? >> well, because i don't think most voters are tuning in to that level of detail. it's a legitimate question. absolutely. is it something you should ask about? for sure. is it a concern? of course, it is, and there should be a full investigation to let congress look into it fully. again, democrats are making a mistake if they feel like this is going to create a big political windfall for them. it's going to fail for democrats. democrats tried it in the 1990s, and it failed. >> again, don't go overboard. atima, would you agree with what he is saying there? your thoughts. >> absolutely not. this is, you know, russia who definitely tried to undermine our democratic process, and i think any country, whether they be friend or foe, and in this case foe, is trying to do that. if they were in any way having communications with any one of the campaigns, either democrat or republican, bipartisan effort

be willing to look into that and question that regardless. you know, to the larger point of, you know, trying to use it to, like, you know,make it a sort of political windfall for us, i would definitely say you don't have to worry about that so all trump has to do is second out another funny tweet or something that sends everybody scattering or, you know, does an immigration ban to seven countries. a muslim ban to funding -- any of the issues that do motivate democrats that we are focused on, but, you know, we can walk and chew gum at the same time and worry about our political process being undermined if the republicans aren't, and we can also handle policies. you know, that we are going to be concerned about and finding for the american people. >> there are two people that can walk and chew gum, it's the two of you. essential. done so well with me today. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all over the world a grassroots effort is taking place to organ international women's strike.

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they're calling it a day without women. grassroots activists around the world are organizing an international women's strike on wednesday, march 8th. this will coincide with international women's day around the world. statistics show women make up almost half the work force, but continue to earn less than men. according to the institute of women's policy research, in 2015 female full-time year-round workers made only 80 cents for every dollar earned by men in america, and data from the national coalition against domestic violence shows that every nine seconds in the u.s. a woman is assaulting or beaten. they define domestic violence as emotional, physical, and sexual abuse. joining us now is jessica hubley, the co-founder of a nonprofit organization that

trains survivors of human trafficking and violence against women and they teach them the skill of computer coding. jessica, thanks for being with us. we talked about economic empowerment of women. what does your organization do to try to even the playing field? what does any candidate do? >> well, it's breaking the cycle of victimization. we are partnering with shelters and service providers that refer survivors to us who are bright and capable and asking those what's next questions, looking to rebuild their lives, and we take them through a software school, a training program that teaches them to design and actually program software. we also help them earn income as freelancers using those skills, and, finally, we work with them as a team with a number of amazing volunteer professionals from the tech industry, and we help them actually build solutions to the problems they identify that led to their exploitation. >> you are doing some interesting things here, and you

had some interesting graduates. one toor two graduating classes so far. tell me about one of the graduates and what they're doing very quickly. >> absolutely. so we have an amazing woman, for example, who joined us in our pilot class. she's learned html, csf, java script. she's continuing with us to learn full stack java script. she's building web sites for clients. she's actually built a live active web app at survivors.io that's meant to identify hot spots, taking anonymous sexual assault reports that help gather better data about the reality of sexual assault as well as identifying problematic areas for others to avoid. this year we expect her to make a little over $65,000 from freelance work, but the most interesting thing is that she's actually said that the thing she wants to do with the economic power that she's securing right now is to help build a better human trafficking shelter to help more people. >> go get 'em, jessica. all those letters, i was, like,

ah, i don't even know what it means myself. >> this is very interesting because you're taking those -- you're taking survivors of domestic violence, survivors of human trafficking, and you are teaching them one of these most elite skills in america right now. that's computer coding. it just doesn't seem to fit together compared to what other ngo's and cbo's are doing across the country. >> that's very much on purpose, richard. we think everyone else is underestimating these human beings. we want to give people the opportunities we think they deserve, and they're doing incredible things with those opportunities. software programming is an industry need right now. there is an endless thirst for engineering talent. it's something that you can do remotely, that you can do with your kids nearby, that you can do to make a great living, and that's going to make you a much more powerful person in your community and allow you to drive political change. really what we're doing is finding those hidden figures in this world that everybody is still not looking at. >> when we think about international women's day and

that's going to be on the 8th of the month, as we approach that date, why is this idea of economic empowerment of women important quickly? >> economic empowerment is the panacea that can fight all kinds of gender-based violence, all kinds of vulnerabilities that actually drive human trafficking. if there's one unifying factor that we've found amongst survivors or victims that are living in a situation of exploitation, whether that's a domestic violence situation or a trafficking situation. it's that they don't have the economic capability to get away. even if they're rescued, even if they're pulled out of a brothel, they don't have anything they can do to make their lives better and sustain themselves. that we think by addressing that sort of gap, that's 1k -- dplo thank you for your time. snoo thank you, richard. >> all right. senator lindsey graham faced voters today tackling a number of issues. next, the woman who pushed senator graham to hold that town

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thanks for staying with us. we want to go back to a story we've been following. senator lindsey graham's town hall, one of dozens being held across the country. today's began as an idea from one of the people the senator represents. tara, thanks for being with us. did you vote for the senator, and are you a democrat or republican or independent? >> i'm an independent voter. yes, i did vote for senator graham in the last election. >> fantastic. tell us, how did he do today? >> i did thank for him for showing up today. it was kind of a rowdy group.

i thought he handles himself pretty well overall of the time he took the questions properly. at times i thought he was a little condescending to some of those, but overall i was preconceived with the outcome. >> why was he rude? >> some of the things he said to us were -- when he talked about you people aren't here to care about doing it right, you care about the fact that trump won, and you want him out. that's not the reason that we were there. the whole reason they were there is because we do care, and we don't like the direction that we see our country going right now. you know, we're over the fact that hillary clinton lost the election. that's not what we were there about. we were there about the fact that we care about the issues at hand, and we want our voices heard. >> you led the organization to

get this town hall going. what is the issue that you wanted to make sure was discussed today, and did you feel that the answers around that issue were satisfactory? >> the thing that got me started in becoming politically active, i'm an educator for the past 18 years in public school. the nomination of betsy devos was my starting point. when i learned that she was going to be the nominee, i started sending e-mails, phone calls, facebook messages, tweets to both of our senators, senator graham and scott, and i really wasn't getting the response that i needed. and i saw an overwhelming response that bessy does he receive someone unqualified for the position of secretary of education. i got the idea. that's what started it all. i started the petition because i

wanted a place where all the voices could be heard in one platform. >> thank you for all your years of teaching. i come from a teaching family as well. i appreciate what you're doing no matter what stripes you come from. this is the headline today, russia. do you care about that issue, and did you feel his responses around the question of the russian kwengsz know connections to the trump administration were satisfactory? >> i think any american is worry about russian involvement during the election. he addressed it. he was concerned as well. that was very -- we were happy to hear that. >> tara requested the senator to come down and have a town hall. a thousand folks showed up. thank you so much. >> thank you. that's it for us this hour

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