let it rip. my twitter handle is @greta. so let out the insults. check out facebook page you can put them there too. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. down patrol, let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. this is more like doing guard duty in a jungle. there are strange noises in the night. dawn brings really danger in the morning. donald trump is roaring about -- intelligence committee will

confirm it ever happened. he, trump tweeted there is the president of the united states some vindictive crap about arno arno arno arnold schwarzenegger losing his job. -- released before obama ever came to the white house. fact, this is gotten so haywire, his people with no longer play ditto heads. they don't believe the guy. sean spicer refuses to lip sync what trump said about wiretapping. fixing his math trying to fix what trump said. here is how sean spicer explained the tweet on gitmo who

asked about it today. >> obviously, the president meant in totalitily released since the individuals have been released. >> the president said the prisone prisoners were released -- tweet fest in which he accused president obama of tapping his phone. it was allegation that or nated asked spicer for hard evidence. >> we said on sunday we have no further comment and we're asking the house intelligence committee to look into this concern. >> has the president asked him. >> no he has not.

>> will president withdraw it? >> why would you he withdraw it until it's adjudicated. >> is the white house position that the president can make declarative statements about the former president committing a crime and the committee should look into it and prove it. >> it's not a question of prove it, if they have the resources and the staff to investigate this. >> president trump's twitter statement should not be taken at value. >> sure it should be. >> as i mentioned -- >> resources and time why waste it. >> it's a question of appropriateness. >> many republicans avoided responding to the president's

assertions. let's watch. >> i think that the president of the united states who has stated categorically that trump tower is tapped. he should come forward with a allegations that is lead him to that conclusion. it's a serious charge against t the former president of the united states. >> what do you make of the president's tweeting his predecessor wiretapped him what do you make of that? >> this president is no longer credible. >> what do you make of it? >> what do you make of him. do you think he is making it up? >> yes, there's no evidence of it. chris, if there were any sort of

wiretapping it's because the fbi got a federal judge to sign off on it. which means he is in real trouble. >> you no none of that happened. >> there's no evidence out there. this president has crossed all lines. he is attacked the judiciary and the peaceful transfer of power. president obama is gracious to him. there's no line he would cross to make sure to distract us of the issues around russia. >> it strikes me as a guy who used to say obama is an illegal immigrant. he is not the president -- when he makes these claims.

is he president or is this weird extra curriculum at dawn that he practices. >> he is letting his unfounded opinions fly. chris, i will step back, he is entitled to his opinions. >> when are they going to put out a statement saying this is incorrection. call the fbi director to the stand and put him under oath to say is there any evidence of any attempt to bug donald trump? what's so hard about that? why are we waiting months of this nonsense. >> i was encouraged that the fbi director was attempting to have the department of justice clear

this reckless statement by the president. we should do that this week. we should not let the american people be confused about what happened here because the president is reckless with his tweets. >> we have not heard anything yet about it. we are going to keep our eyes and ears open. thank you for coming on. president trump's surrogates have struged to cover for the boss's weird statements on wiretapping. listen how they distance themselves. >> what the president believes that the obama administration may is tapped into the phones at trump tower. >> is his information based on he read in the media, yes or not. >> i have not l chance to have

the conversation with the president he has much higher classification than i have. >> how does he knows that his phones were tapped. >> he is the president of the united states -- >> do you believe that president obama -- >> i get that's a cute question to ask. my job is to represent the president. he made clear what his goal is, what he would like to have happen. i'm not here to speak for myself. >> sean spicer sounds like a public defender with a guilty defender. he's going to say i have been assigned to do my best. i'm joined by panel. i want to go to robert on this.

why is he getting up at 6:00 in the morning and spouting this nonsense. >> he is the president, and he has gotten up early, he is up at 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning. he goes through the news articl articles page by page. >> why does he do this. get up on saturday morning to trash his predecessors. -- he said he was -- he let the bad guys from gitmo go. it was unfair charge in period of time cases. where is he attacking obama at

dawn? >> it's a great question. he thinks day-to-day about president obama and compares himself to how much president obama was able to accomplish in office. he is haunted by president obama's first term. i'm not sure. he does often talk about what he were able it do with the democratic party back in 2009. >> how is a rationale and a gentleman. >> somebody who spent a year tweeting this or saying that. when you start to see there's a pattern of something, when we're talking about russia or things he wasn't want us to be talk us to be talk uing about.

interms of obama -- >> the wiretapping, he would be seen as being a blow hard, how is that strategic? >> i don't think - >> what about blaming resit visits. >> what can i put out this morning to get people talking gitmo instead of talking about the fact that rod rosenstein is having his confirmation hearings today. >> one of the stories that's come out, we saw pictures to the window of steve bannon being --

trump comes out and says this is fake news, what do you make of it? >> there's some disruption inside of the white house and it's important to remember that bannon and priebus was not with the president when he started the tweets. he was alone at mar-a-lago, reading about mark levine and bannon is a confidant of the president. it never bears out in my reporting, it's trump alone reacting, working on his gut.

>> people are trying to distance themselves from this president now. kellyanne did not back him up. she said he -- let me give you a bloe global answer. you have evidence of obama tapping trump. spicer said it was a cute question by a reporter today. when asked if he believes trump. it's not a cute question, you have to answer. what they are doing, they are covering for him about the crowd size. spicer defended out of that. he has to stop being a ditto head. they are not going to say -- they don't want to be caught in his trap any more. >> it was clear to me when the suggestions were made about the fisa warrant and this government surveillance of then candidate

trump, a lot of people inside of the white house were going forward with the suggestions without evidence. then they started to get backed against the wall and white house mccain told people don't start talking about things we doesn't know about in terms an investigation. but they are getting legal counsel from mcgain to stay away. >> heidi. >> there's no more evidence for this than there's that ted cruz's father was involved in jfk's assassination. he puts it out there and expects people to create the fact it's behind it. they have to parse that and walk that line. >> i know this for a fact,

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welcome back. after lobbying fact tweet bombs, nothing to to about obama, got down to the tough task of legislation today. they dispatched officials to make the sell of the affordable

care act. >> congress of the united states has an opportunity to keep a promise to the american people by repealing and replacing obamacare. obamacare has failed. >> we need affordable and accessible and of the highest quality. >> the program we talked about is a program that puts people in charge of their own coverage. >> not all are on board. here is what conservatives had to say. >> we are divided on replacement. we are united on repeal but divided on replacement. >> this is step in the wrong direction. it's a missed opportunity. do we need to lower the bar in what we believe because republican is in the white house. >> proponents of the bill cannot afford to lose and pass the bill

for the basic reason there's zero democratic support for getting rid of obamacare. joining me now are michael steel and congressman jordan. are you good vote counter on the hill? >> we'll no better then. the leak draft, our team was against that. i don't see particular different in this piece of legislation there's strong opposition but we'll know in a minute with we have our meeting. >> would you like to get rid of all of that wipe the slate clean? >> we told the voters we're

going to repeal it. we didn't not tell them we're going to repeal it and keep some taxes, we didn't tell the voters we're diagnose going to start new entitlement program with a advance fancy name. we told them we were going to repeal and replace it that would bring down the cost of healthcare. bringing down the cost of premiums. >> when you didn't have the white house you could pass it over and over. how many times did you vote to repeal, about 60 times. if you had to straight up and down vote could you vote to repeal obamacare? >> 15 months ago we put op president obama desk --

>> i'm talking about now. >> put the same legislation on trump's desk. >> you would have votes to do that? >> if you put the bill on the floor you would have the vote. >> i know what they did last time, that's when you knew it wasn't going to be signed. you have a president that will sign it, it has consequences now. >> you don't think that was the case. >> it shouldn't go on. let's do what they sent us here to do. when they gave us the privilege of serving them. >> i think a lot of people in the -- have that purity of thought. politicians posture when they

don't have -- >> you voted the posture. >> we don't think the proposal is going to bring down the cost of healthcare. we have working class families who have fewer choice ands higher cost. our plan, repeal, replace it, that doesn't it. >> that's not the position taking by paul ryan. haven't gotten rid of the people on expansion, te it away from them. >> that's the cold reality that paul ryan and the leadership has. in a real sense they have to listen to congressman because they made the case to the american people it is part and parcel why it turned out the way it did.

when you put forth legislation that doesn't do that. if you're going to keep the caucus in place you have to deal -- reconcile the fact that 20-year-old are going to be worse off, those are the harsh realities that the speaker and the republicans in the house have to deal with is going down this road. >> congressman, i know where you stand, you are a purest. what do you make of this president. how he is pe forming, what do you make of that kind of charge? >> look, i think the president is off it a start that i think the american people appreciate when it comes to the executive order, relative to the tweet and

wiretap issue, i saw a friend who doesn't think there was a wiretap there. i don't know. i do believe there's a deliberative process in place. you have to tell them do their investigation on this issue. if more is warranted, we never been shy about looking at issues, i'm willing to do that if it gets to that point. let's let the intelligence committee do their job. >> you think it's okay to president to accuse him of a felony and you cashly -- >> i didn't cashally say anything -- >> why don't you comment -- >> he sees no evidence of wiretap. i don't know that it happened. let's let the investigation work. let's let chairman nunes do his

work and proceed in a deliberative fashion. >> it was a fair charge by the president. >> i didn't say that. i'm saying let's let it unfold and we'll get to the facts. >> why do you investigate. >> this is broader initial of what russian may or may have had in our elections. this part of that leak that surrounds general flynn, let's get that out there and get to the truth. that's what we did on issues that impacted the foreign relations. it took a couple of years -- >> do you believe that president trump is telling the truth when we said he never met with russians during the campaign? >> i believe he president of the united states, i believe him. i want to see the investigation -- >> you're taking his word --

>> i would -- >> yes, i do. whatever party that individual would be -- >> thank you u.s. congressman. michael, what do you think about this. >> there's no conceivable let alone real evidence to back up the statement. >> why is this fellow saying wi we have investigation when there's no evidence to have an investigation. >> the broader issue of russia because all of this feeds into -- >> maybe they want to investigate the russia -- >> they should. you have to put it in context and put it behind you. >> we have a system in the country of inindictmedictment y to have probable cause.

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welcome back do "hardball." it was saturday morning when president trump put out tweets accusing president obama of wiretapping his phone. christopher a long time friend spent time with the president shortly after the tweets and later saturday night. he wrote. i spoke with the president twice. i have not seen him this tick off in a long time. when i mentioned the denials, he said -- i wonder.

>> well, breaking news, donald trump likes to tweet what he thinks and feels and what's going on in his mind. he has been doing it for a long time, there's no surprise here. people were caught off guard. my conversation with him. he was confident with the information. he was angry. this was not something he was ban dering about. like something about ted cruz's father, this was something serious. >> he spent a number of years talking about obama being illegal immigrant, don't say they were casual remarks. he was on birther patrol for years. >> i'm speaking as an individual who is friends with the president. i took it seriously. we should take the allegations seriously. i think the president should

produce evidence at some point that supports the allegaon. t'remember, for all the talk about this, fbi director has yet to make any official statement. all of the denials. 95% of the denials. nobody is denying that the trump campaign were surveilled. what they are denying is that president obama ordered the surveillance. >> who were the people who said this were surveilled? >> i don't give up my sources. >> they are people who said they were surveilled. these are people in the campaign who charged the obama administration with putting them under surveillance.

>> let's start with the president he said he was s surveilled. >> right before the election. >> i think -- >> what is your reporting tell you about trump's relationships with the trump campaign. what do you have? >> you and i know -- >> what contacts has he had with the russians with the campaign according your news organizations? >> this is not unusual for a political campaign to have dealings with foreign -- i. according to your reports trump met -- trump met with sergey

kislyak, it reports it came, what do you make of his denial he had no relations with the russians at all? >> -- i don't believe. >> you're reporting it was a meeting. >> we poboth have been in -- >> i'm asking you was it a meeting, if it is a meeting, why is trump denying it? >> what if the crime, even if he did meet with the russians. you're creating hysteria -- >> here what he said about strongly assisting over and over again he never had ties with

russia watch this. i'm not creating a store. >> can you say whether you're aware that anyone who advised your campaign had contact during the course of the direction. >> i told you flynn was doling that's one person. >> during the election. >> nobody that i know of. >> how many times do i are to answer this question. >> russia is a rues. i have nothing do with russia. >> there's a conflict between your reporting and him saying it's a rues. >> we pick up a lot of stories on news max if there was an official meeting, we didn't report that. >> we read your -- does that conflict with what trump did. >> we know it's not illegal for him to have met with foreign --

>> it's contradicts what the president said. >> obama -- the president had with heads of states. >> you're changing the subject. >> there's wasn't a crime committing. you want to talk about a trump campaign having interest in russia. >> what was the crime? >> you keep implying there was something criminal with the campaign wanting to reset the button. >> i want you to tell me what your news agencies reporting. was there a meeting between kislyak or wasn't it. trump denies it. >> go ask them tomorrow about it. i'm not representing the trump campaign. i don't see anything wrong if he did have the meeting. he wanted to reset the

relationship, i think that's a positive thing. >> by the way, i don't think it proves anything he met with the russians. the question is we know the russians were involved with helping him win the elections, that's a fact and there's an series of meetings disclosed between his and -- it did come from your news agency when you reported about a meeting between trump and the russian ambassador now you're pulling away from what you reported in april. >> -- so. >> why didn't they say that, no big dill deal. >> the new yorks times reported that the obama an effort to discredit him.

they have been at war. they have been leaking classified information, nobody is talk about it. there's nothing illegal with them having contacts with the russians if they did. >> one last thing, i want to ask you about the weekend. you said the president was ticked off or pissed off. what was the mood following the tweets. >> when i spoke to him he was upset he had been targeted under the surveillance. when i talked to him later in the day say there was denials coming out in the end of the day. i don't think it's something that's a serious allegation, i want the evidence on this too. >> the by line piece in news max was written by sandy fitzgerald,

i was in april. >> it was a fire story that we picked up. i'm not surprised -- we know about the meeting with the russian ambassador. >> thank you. it's good to have you on. >> same here. up next, a new bombshell from wikileaks, including ways to use tv and smart phone for spying. you're watching la"hardball" whe the action is. or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com.

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welcome back. as a candidate donald trump said he loves wikileaks a website that helped defeat his politicalry val.

more alarming they claim to have obtained the software that the cia uses to penetrate the targets. wikileaks says they have the tools that the fbi uses to -- released today. former cia director said if true, it could be damaging and question the motive of wikileaks. >> if it is what it pretends to be, it looks like a very extensive file, techniques procedures, and political rules under which central intelligence agency used to conducts that.

-- it seems to be focused on transparency only about united states and its friends not totally tarians around the world. >> the kremlin's rt collaborated with wikileaks. i'm joined by the roundtable. start with what happened here and what the consequences and dangers. >> the cia has an aggressive hacking systems.

the implications -- troubling implications are that this stuff leaked. there is u.s. lab with anthrax. these are a lot of tools that could do bad things in the wrong hands. >> this is some of the most source of method of information, if this is real, if it has been compromised, they will not be able to collect against it in the future. he not going to have a conversation in front of that conversation. how damaging that is over the long-run depends on how -- >> we have drones for a while. our enemies are going to have it. we had bomb, the russians are going to have it.

we know they have to catch up with us. we have to have better methods. >> i think so. we have to stay a step ahead of the technology curve. the cia are listening to the americans cell phones. >> are we the best at it it? >> yes, we are the best. >> we could have done to the russians what they did to us. we could have hacked into with what they are up to. >> absolutely. >> there is third major leak. they are saying the cia is

hacking arsenal is out in the wild, is now exposed. that could be a serious problem. >> what's going to happen in the near future with this information wikileaks. >> we've seen president trump has raised wikileaks in the past, said "i love wikileaks" so this is an awkward situation for him. typically in these kinds of disclosures the president, the incipal consumer of intelligence information is the victim -- >> bause he won't get this stuff. in addition to praising wikileaks in the campaign, president trump defended julian assange in january taking his word over the conclusions of the u.s. intelligence community. "julian assange said a 14-year-old could have hacked podesta, also said russians did not give him the inknow." former trump adviser roger stone also once said he had communicated with assange and over the weekend he said on twitter that he "never denied perfectly legal back channel to assange who indeed had the goods on crooked hillary." that's roger stone talking but he deleted the tweet soon after

posting it. so trump back then, i guess he -- does he still deny the russians helped him win? >> he can't deny that because 17 intelligence agencies made a consensus judgment and presented it to him on january 5. don't forget, chris, wikileaks was the weapon russia used to attack the united states. so for him to embrace it is to embrace the russian attack itself. >> what do you make of this report on newsmax that he did meet with the russians back in april, he met with the ambassador and all these -- to use kellyanne's word his global denials, his total denials. how does that square? >> so look one of the strange things here is this slow trickle of information. we had categorical denials over and over. now we're learning -- >> jared was in there, right? >> but it turns out everybody was meeting with the russian ambassador. it might be quicker at this point to come up with a list of trump campaign official who hadn't met with the russian ambassador. the important thing is not necessarily that those contacts with inappropriate but more how the u.s. interests are furthered by things like undercutting

russia sanctions, lifting sanctions for crimea, that's the one piece of this that the trump administration has not articulated. how exactly does this place america first? >> good question. anyway, the white house gave a response tonight about those reports of trump meeting the russian ambassador, it reads "mr. trump was at a reception about five minutes and went mediately to the podium. we have no recollection of who he may have shaken hands with at the reception and we were not responsible for inviting or vetting guestguests. to state that a meeting took place is absurd." blame that on newsmax. the round table is staying with us, up next, these three will tell me the number one concern they have when they go to bed at night about national security. this is "hardball," where the action is. whether it be with customer contracts, agreements to lease a space or protecting your work. legalzoom's network of attorneys can help you, every step of the way.

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change. we've seen the ways in which climate change has sparked on flikt -- conflicts or has made conflicts worse again and again. >> what's the deal with the wetter two weeks ago. >> we've seen this -- >> what do you mean? do you think it has to do with the weather we've been having? >> i don't think that's sparked conflict -- >> hottest year on record. >> right, so again and again we're seeing a more intense conflict for resources, we're seeing more and more displaced people. that has spillover effects with dramatic security. >> i think you're right about the horn of africa and somalia. just horrible what people are driven to. >> i'm a hawk. last week 120 retired three and four-star generals and admirals wrote to congress saying that slashing foreign assistance, diplomacy, and embassy security would undermine our security. i agree. i think this is a major problem for national security. >> thank you so much. ken delaney and susan henessey and jeremy bash. when we finish, let me return with trump watch. it's scary tonight. you're watching "hardball." tech: don't let a cracked windshield ruin your plans.

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trump watch, tuesday march 17, 2017. i'm big on titles. i don't call senators or governors by their first name. i believe someone elected by the people in our society deserves the honor of their office. and just as important, the honor of having sought the popular mandate that gives them the moral and public authority that comes with being chosen by the people. in short, when someone has a title, it's my view they deserve to be honored with it.

they earned it. now to donald trump. how should someone like me refer to the man who gets up at down and tweets untrue claims about our most recent president? do i call him the president of the united states even though he doesn't seem to be speaking as the president of the united states? doesn't seem to be speaking as a public official as all. president trump tweeted this morning that president obama committed a felony during his administration by secretly bugging him. does that sound right to you? that kind of report? does it? president trump tweeted this morning that barack obama is a felon. i know he's president but this strike you, this kind of conduct, with the office of the presidency? does it? i don't hear hail to the chief when i hear about this banter at dawn. i don't hear a president gdoing his sworn duties. i hear that guy who said ted cruz's father killed president obama -- president kennedy. i hear a guy who calls into

right wing radio with a crazy hate-filled conspiracy theory, something forgotten by dawn, not woken up by it. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> this will be a plan where you can choose your plan. and you know what the plan is. this is the plan. >> trump care has landed? >> look at the size. this is the democrats. this is us. >>ed w widespread backlash grow republicans revolt against a republican bill. >> why are republicans so opposed. >> and trump care supporters make their case. >> rather than getting that new iphone, maybe they should invest in their own health care. >> tonight, can the republican plan to fast track trump care work as we get our first estimates for how many americans may lose their health care. plus -- this is the obamacare replacement plan everyone has been asking for. >> can trumpcare live up to