all indicating that your mobile devices, your tvs, even most secure cell phone apps can be hacked at any time. plus, taking a stand around the country. thousands of women are marking international women's day with a demonstration called a day without a woman. we're live on the ground for that. good morning. i'm ali velshi at msnbc headquarters in new york. republicans are moving swiftly with their plan to repeal and replace obamacare. right now two powerful house committees, the ways and means and energy and commerce committees are holding what are called mark-up sessions to consider possible changes to the plan which republicans call the american health care act. the committees will hold key votes with the aim of the full house voting next week. the plan faces significant hurdles with democrats united against it and the most conservative republicans in both the house and the senate rebelling. >> today i'll be introducing legislation which just says clean repeal. we had our meeting last night and the opposition in there was

strong to this legislation. so this needs to be changed in a dramatic way to have a chance to pass in my judgment. >> i think the white house, the administration and the president understand that there's enough conservatives that they can't pass obamacare-lite. that's what's going on behind the scenes is a charm offensive. >> the republican plan has the backing of president trump, although vice president mike pence indicated it's still a work in progress. >> i'm proud to support the replacement plan released by the house of representatives. >> the american health care act is the framework for reform. we'r certainly open to improvements and to recommendations in the legislative process. >> lots to get to this morning with our nbc correspondents and special guests. let's start with kasie hill on capitol hill where house speaker paul ryan and other house gop leaders spoke just in the last hour. kasie, what did paul ryan say about the gop plan and the odds

of passing it in the face of this rebellion by members of his own caucus. >> the house speaker characterized this as a group of people used to being in the opposition party and are still getting used to being in the governing party. this is a different proposition. 64% of the republicans up here have never been in a position where they have governed alongside a republican president. they've always been in opposition to a democratic president. and that's a real adjustment. but i think the thing if they are going to get the 218 they need for this bill that's going to make the difference is the reality that republicans have been campaigning on repealing obamacare for eight years now. and that is essentially what the speaker said. take a look. >> every republican in congress, including the president of the united states, made a promise to the american people. and the promise we made to the american people is we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. because we made that promise, i'm confident we'll make good on that promise. >> louisiana, the whip of the

house. >> so the speaker as well talked about how he spoke on the phone twice yesterday with president trump. that was his pitch to members behind closed doors at their caucus meeting. this is what the president wants. this is what we're on board to do. and he asked for a show of hands at the end of the meeting and said how many of you campaigned on repeal and replace. all the hands in the room went up. that's a significant piece of political pressure. that said, still a lot of needle threading to do here. conservative opposition. moderates on the other side who are worried about ending or not expanding medicaid the way obama's law promised. those forces could potentially conspire to squeeze this. and industry groups. the hospital association in particular has raised concerns. the aarp. if that ball starts to get rolling, that could pose real hurdles. >> kasie, we'll talk to you in a little bit.

kasie hunt on capitol hill. it's nice having these five boxes up there. mau chris jansing is at the white house for us. chris, the charm offensive that we just heard senator rand paul talk about, saying is under way, what's the white house strategy for getting conservative republicans on board? we saw a tweet yesterday by the president, sort of, as part of that charm offensive. >> it's comprehensive. it's wide reach, and it definitely is aggressive. he's been calling members who have concerns about this plan, talking to them. he's bringing people in here individually. yesterday it was members of the team that is going to be responsible for whipping these votes, getting the number he needs on the house side. he's talking to them that way. you mentioned the tweet. it was for rand paul, one of the most vocal critics of this. he tweeted, i feel sure that rand paul will come along with a new and great health care program. and he's also talking about going out into america, going into some of those districts

where there may be some members who are wavering in middle america. this is what he considers to be one of his strengths. it's what he ran on. his powers of persuasion. so they have this comprehensive plan. make no mismake about it. the president is at the center of it. >> the president is going to be meet with conservative groups that are opposed to the republican plan. what is the message to him, to those groups. just get on with this? let's get this done? how is he going to convince people who really have strong conservative views about this? >> yeah, he has said very clearly there's going to be a review and there's going to be negotiation. he wants people to feel like they are part of this process as you well know. one of the biggest criticisms of the obama white house is he did not do this kind of outreach. the president, certainly members of his team understand many of them as conservatives both the influence and the money that groups like, you know, club for growth, heritage action for america have. in fact, the head of the

heritage, the club for growth, i believe, said the problems are not just what's in it but what's missing. the critical free market solution of selling health care across state lines. so he is going to be, as you know, talking to them. part of the problem is, what you also mention that today already they have the mark-up in these committees. they want to get this done by easter. some of the people he's going to have to convince feel this is being pushed through which was one of their criticisms of what happened originally with obamacare. people like tom cotton, jim jordan want to look at this. jordan saying on "morning joe" this morning if the vote was taken now, they wouldn't have the votes. >> in fairness to them, it's the beginning, and everybody on all sides for the moment is saying it's part of a negotiation. chris jansing at the white house. let's bring in tim phillips, president of one of the republican groups denouncing the health care plan. they have been fighting against obamacare since 2009.

tim, good to see you. i believe you are one of those people meet with the president this afternoon? >> certainly, we want to listen. and just urge republicans, certainly this initial house plan is not a full repeal of obamacare. it's not. it leaves in place the subsidies. it just trades in tax credits, which is an entitlement they promised to get rid of. it has a lot of same mandates dictating to americans the kind of coverage. we're just saying, certainly to house republicans, you ran on this in four consecutive elections. '10, '12, '14, '16. you were going to fully repeal this bill. this proposed legislation does not do that. you're not keeping your promise to the american people so far. >> subsidies versus the tax credits. the reality is there's no mathematical way to keep a whole lot of people on coverage if you don't keep some of these things in. e you comfortable, as a conservative, saying that's fine. a market-based health care

system, pure market-based health care system will not cover millions of americans who are currently covered? >> we've seen with the veterans administration and the disastrous lack of care for our veterans exactly what happens with government-run care. it doesn't work. it's not working right now. medicaid is failing too many americans of the 70 million americans now stuck in it. we're saying give americans more opportunities to take control of their own health care. let them have access to insurance across state lines. it's going to open up competition. >> tim, there is just no example in the world of a pure unadulterated market health care system. >> we don't have one now. >> nobody in the world has one. all major oecd countries cover people through some form of universal health care or single payer system or two-tier system. there's just nothing like what you're describing. >> there's a reason. there's a reason people come from all over the world when they are really sick to the united states of america. it's because we have the best health care in the world. >> but they pay for it. >> people who come here pay cash money for that health care.

>> and we don't have a fully market-driven system. a va that's failing too many of our veterans. so we still want to make sure that we maintain a safety net that helps people. no question about that. but right now what we have is failing. obamacare is failing. no competition. what we're saying to republicans, 88% of house republicans serving right now voted to fully repeal this bill. what's different now? why don't you go become to what you did earlier? keep your word and fully repeal -- >> you heard what kasie just said. paul ryan asked everybody in the room to put up their hands if they campaigned on repeal and replace and 100% of the hands went up. very few conservatives actually voted just on repeal and were okay with 20 million people not getting insurance without another plan to replace it. >> we're not okay with folks not having insurance. what we're also not okay with people having deductibles that are so high they may have insurance in name only. they don't get coverage. you know that's a huge problem. over 2,000 and $3,000

deductibles for people. and they can't meet th when they're making $30,000 or $35,000 a year. liberals did what they usually do with obamacare. they slapped a government subsidy on it and said we checked the box. we covered it. obamacare is not working. americans know that. they don't want to see republicans simply doing obamacare-lite here and we're urging republicans not to go down this route. do what you did and dozens of votes. where those show votes when they were fully repealing this law? i hope not. i hope they were serious with those votes. we're saying go back -- >> paul ryan did imply that being in government is harder than not being in government when you actually have to -- >> not much sympathy when you've won four straight elections and the largest majority since the 1920s because you promised to do something. and now you don't want to do it because you're in the leadership. >> tim, good to talk. we hope to talk on the other side of your meeting. tim phillips is the president for americans for prosperity. the future of medicaid is a

big ptopic of discussion when i comes to this new bill from house republicans. it phases out obamacare's expansion of medicaid by 2020. it's a program that is funded jointly by states and the federal government providing health care coverage to low-income americans. covers nearly 69 million people. it is one of the largest payers ff health care in the united states. those eligible break into four groups. infants and children, pregnant women, parents and other noneldareally adults. individuals with disabilities and very low income seniors. joining me is the professor and chair of health management. mick mulvaney, the director of the office of management and budget addressed medicaid this morning. >> conservatives have been talking for years and years about not just the money that

can be saved but the efficiencies that can be driven by giving more control to the states over the medicaid spending programs. that's what this bill does. the truly poor will not only continue to have access to medicaid. we think it will be better medicaid coverage because of this bill. >> traditional conservative orthodoxy, let the states handle it. but block grants that go to the state set at current levels. meanwhile, health care costs are going up at high are than the rate of inflation. >> as you said, medicaid is a very large program. largest insurance program we have in the united states. just $600 billion a year program. covers as you said groups of -- 25% of the beneficiaries of the elderly and disabled. they account for 65% to 75% of the cost of the program. young adults cost much less. it's a big program and the change that's being proposed by the republicans now in the house, in the congress would be a tremendous and massive change

in the way medicaid works and would probably result in millions of those 70 million losing their medicaid coverage. >> so there are two issues here. one is that in changing the way -- there had been this medicaid expannion. states who took part in that that don't want that changed. the federal government will give these states a block of money and say you administer that. and what mulvaney just said is that should make the system more efficient than it is now. is there truth to that? >> yes, and sno. the argument that mulvaney and the republicans are making is we want to cap the amount of federal dollars we're putting into medicaid. we doewant to cap that and givee states more discretion. and so their argument is the states maybe will have less money but more discretion, innovative and do interesting and important things. the problem is the states will be in a box. they'll have a lot less money and they'll be asked to do more with less. and that means that those groups that we're talking about are

going to be pitted against each other. people are going to lose coverage. benefits will be cut back some. there will be some efforts to do innovative things but bottom line, i think, this is not a proposal that's really going to help. >> if you happened to be in that meeting with president trump and tim phillips n others, what would you say a solution is? is there something we can do with medicaid that keeps coverage for those who really need it the most in this country and manages to become more efficient and cost effective? >> sure. what i would say is continue to give the states the flexibility through the waivers they have. continue the open-ended entitlement. don't pull back the federal dollars but give the states some additional discretion. you've got states, mike pence in indiana. they tried a new initiative with their medicaid program. there's a debate as to how well it's working. let's see how the indiana proposal is going. let's see how it's going in arkansas. give states flexibility but don't pull back the federal money at this point. while medicaid gets talked about

a lot, it's a $600 billion program, covers all of these people, it is a remarkably efficient program. that's part of the reason doctors complain at times. they don't get paid a lot of money by medicaid. it's a relatively low-cost program that covers a lot of people. contrary to many others, medicaid is one of the shining jewels in the american health care system. >> michael, always great to have you help us work our way through this. michael sparer from the department of health policy at columbia university school of public health. women across the world in more than 50 countries are rallying, even on strike, in protest of inequality, sex employ asexism and racism on international women's day. they've dubbed this a day without a woman asking women to take the day off and not spend any money as a way to show how vital women are to the economy. they estimate if all paid women were to take today off, it would cost the u.s. nearly $21 billion

in terms of gross domestic product. nbc's ron allen joins me now live from the rally happening in washington, d.c. ron, this is having an impact across the country. some schools that have closed because so many teachers have taken the day off. >> indeed. we just came from alexandria, virginia, across the river from washington, d.c. we're in freedom plaza. that school system closed downs but so many staff and teachers called in and wanted the day off. so for safety reasons, they closed the school system. similarly in prince georges county, maryland. there only a few systems that did that entirely. the issue is student safety. and some of them are coming here to this rally because they are so close to d.c. we're in freedom plaza. there's going to be a march from here up to the white house which is about a half mile away. we met some people in the crowd who we want to introduce you to. margo, you came here. you're self-employed but you took the day off. >> i did. >> why is it important to be

here? >> it's important to be here because the trump gag rule is a matter of life and death. >> that's a rule that prohibits the federal government from funding international organizations that provide abortions. >> regardless of how the money -- they can't send the money to an organization to use for anything if the organization also provides abortions. and this literally affects millions of women all around the world. >> that's your issue? >> yes. >> what about you, dan? >> i'm here because of the reimposition of the going rule and the impact it will have on women around the world and then coming back the impact that will have on services for women in the united states. >> but there's a wide range of issues represented here. what are your concerns? >> this is a march about ending the global gag rule. >> it's about the going rule as well? >> it's about the gag rule. that's the major focus of this. >> it's also about equal pay and discrimination in the workplace. >> there are a lot of womens issues and reasons women have stayed home and struck today but

this rally is really focusod the global gag rule. it's international women's day. and this is a -- an issue that the trump administration is imposing on women around the world. it's not -- they're not just hurting women here in the united states. >> it's an international rule. republican presidents have signed it one way and democrats have seen it the other. i gather this is one of the first things president trump did in office. >> if i can just add, and i think that's very emblem attic of trump's attitude toward women more broadly. the first thing he'd do is take away the basic right of information from women. >> thank you. so a lot of concern about reproductive rights and international issues here. the crowd is just gathering. probably several thousand. we don't have a count yet. they'll walk from here up to the white house about a half mile away and say what they want to say to president trump. ali, back to you. >> ron allen for us in d.c. coming up next -- rising tensions in east asia. china has a warning for north

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strong words this morning from china on the rising tensions between the u.s. and north korea. >> translator: the two sides are like two accelerating trains coming towards each other with neither side willing to give way. the question is, are the two sides really ready for a head-on collision? >> that was china's foreign minister issuing a warning to both sides saying north korea needs to stop launching banned missiles and the u.s. and south korea need to stop their joint military exercises. nbc's janice mackey frayer is following this. are both sides going to heed this warning and what influence does china have when it comes to north korea? >> it's unlikely they'll heed this warning. the provocations from north korea have been increasing in frequency. two missile tests since president trump took office. there is a north korea policy review under way in washington

with the administration looking at all options. military measures are unlikely at this point, probably, given the tension that's currently percolating in the region. but they could look at further sanctions to try and constrain the finances that are going in and out of north korea. the most likely option would be to try to lean on china for it to use its clout with the regime. >> tell me what china's motivation is here. are they trying to defuse a situation because they doent want a war breaking out in their backyard or they have other motives? >> the u.s. has long complained china has not done enough to rein in the north. beijing is increasingly frustrated with north korea's actions. china's president xi jinping has never met kim jong-un. china joined the latest round of u.n. sanctions, and they are enforcing them currently and recently banning coal imports which are a huge source of revenue for north korea.

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new details surrounding what could be the biggest ever release of u.s. spy documents. apple says it has fixed the vulnerab ablabilities mentionede thousands of pages wikileaks claims is from the cia called vault 7. wikileaks says the documents

contain the agency's secret tools for hacking common electronics like phones, computers and some smart tvs. nbc news has not verified the documents and the cia won't comment on their authenticity. joining me is eric geller, a cybersecurity reporter for politico pro and tara mahler, a former cia military analyst now the spokesperson and senior policy adviser for the counterextremism program. thank you for being with us. tara, we haven't got confirmation of this yet, though people are talking about it as if it's true. as a former cia analyst, what do you think about this? do you think it's true? >> the cia isn't going to comment on the authenticity. if it's true, it's troublesome because of the quantity and the quality and detail of the release. and it's not troublesome from a privacy perspective domestically. it's going to undermine potential counterterrorism operations and also giving

information to potential enemies, adversaries and hackers out there to exploit these tools and at their own use. so i think it's putting everybody at greater damage and greater risk. whoever is responsible for this needs to be caught and punished for this release of information. >> i would have thought after the leaks at the cia over time they would have methods in place. but i guess a leaker is a leaker. you can get around technology. >> absolutely. a leaker is a leaker, and this is a very high caliber leak in terms of the amount of information and in term whafts was released, if, in fact, it's authentic. this goes beyond the snowden release in terms of the quantity of material and the level of detail if it is all true. and i think you're going to see the intelligence community investigate and look into it, if this is authentic information. how, in fact it was given to wikileaks and how they obtained this material. could be from a foreign source or ads versary. the russians or another country was able to obtain this information if it's accurate and

authentic. not necessarily somebody from the inside of our own intelligence community. >> eric, you asked people if they want to contact you securely, which many people may want to do, particularly with journalists, that they should use apps like signal or whatsapp which are encrypted. wikileaks says the cia and british intelligence are capable of bypassing the security in those kinds of apps even before the app itself can encrypt it. i didn't know before these leaks that that was possible. what's your take on this? >> well, ali, the key thing here is that if you can compromise the phone directly, it doesn't really matter what app you're using. when you press send it goes through signal or whatsapp and gets transmitted over the internet using end to end encryption which the cia can't break. if they can compromise your phone directly it can grab that data before it enters that system that signal uses. this is not necessarily something that's new to security reporters or security analysts.

we've known for years -- >> we see it in all the spy movies that somebody puts a thing in where you compromise the phone as opposed to the apps. >> that's right. the big story here is that as more people are using encryption, this is the way the cia and the fbi and nsa have to do things. they have to get on to the device directly because they can't grab this thing in transit for the most part. >> tara, the information, if it's valid, again, we haven't been able to authenticate it yet. what's the bigger danger here? the spies in our own agencies who think it's okay or valuable to let this information out, or the actual information that's getting to our adversaries? is there anything in here that's actually worrisome because someone can use it against us? >> it is worrisome. because our counterintelligence operations, our counterterrorism operations rely not just on human intelligence, not just on signals intelligence or open source intelligence, but in this day and age they rely on being able to do this sort of cyber intelligence gathering.

if organizations and terrorist organizations and other fronts overseas are aware of the sort of applications or devices that are more or less susceptible to intelligence being able to glean that information, they are going to avoid those information channels. they're going to use other mech informs and revert back to face-to-face where we may not be able to get this information when the next attack is being planned. there are not allegations here that any of this was being used do midwest ic domestically. it will have impoliticatilicati it's not true. >> donald trump says mail things if you don't want anybody to intercept them. jim comey spoke outside of boston today and talked about how it's hard -- how hard it's going to be to keep up with the security threats as tara was talking about and maintain privacy. listen to what he said. >> the cyberthreats we face are enormous. i don't know if we can stay ahead of them, and i think to

say otherwise would be hubris. we need to get better and faster at sharing information in appropriate ways. we need to make sure we have the right people on board to help us fight that threat, and we need to build trust between the government and the private sector. >> so, eric, these are mutually exclusive goals. the fbi, the cia, intelligence agencies trying to find better ways as tara said to get into people's conversations. and those of us who have just learned that perhaps your tv can spy on you. where is privacy now? is there any way? can i have a private conversation with you somehow? not on tv. >> well, it's difficult. there's no perfectly private space. you know, the cia, if they can get your tv to record you, you can't even just close all the doors to your house and have a private conversation. the other thing here is this is not just privacy versus security. this is also security versus security. using signal, using encrypted apps is not just a way to protect yourself from the fbi if

you are a druglord or terrorist. that's also a way to protect yourself from stalkers, abusive ex-spouses, people who are trying to surveil you in illegal ways. these apps provide a way to protect yourself and other forms of security. provide a way for you to protect yourself from people who don't have permission to spy on you. what we're going to see is director comey grappling with not just the privacy concerns on the other side but also the security concerns on the other side. it's not just national security. >> right. people can get into your stuff. there are a range of dangers. great to talk to both of you. tara maller and eric geller on this conversation we'll have to have many more times it seems. take a look. this is the march starting right now in d.c. in honor of international women's day. around the day women will demonstrate in what's being called a day without a woman. we'll be live in new york city to hear from one of the organizers next. ines at work were constantly thinking. always on the lookout for patterns and connections

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we're tracking a story happening right now all over the world. it is international women's day. it's being celebrated by a day of action. now this is a live look at washington, d.c., where the crowd is marching from freedom plaza to the white house. the organizers of the women's march on washington in january are calling for a day without a woman asking women to take the day off, not spend money, even go on strike. check out what happened earlier this morning on wall street. >> a day without women.

>> let's support each other. raise each other up. >> that was a scene a short time ago. people are gathering. they are gathering around a statue, a bronze statue of a young girl defiantly standing up to the famous charging bull. the statue was placed there yesterday to draw attention to inequality in the workplace. now president trump tweeted this morning saying, quote, i have tremendous respect for women and the many roles they serve that are vital to the fabric of our society and our economy. nbc's anne thompson is at a rally in new york city right now. anne, what are women saying is the biggest reason they're out today. >> women are out today because they are trying to draw attention to what they feel is economic injustice. economic injustice that starts with job opportunities and ends with pay. in fact, women in america are paid about 20% less than men on average. one of the organizers of today's

rally here in new york is linda. you run a legal aid firm in brooklyn. your whole company is closed today. you're on strike. why are you on strike? >> we're on strike because we think that women have not been recognized for the economic contributions to our country. we are one of the largest legal services provider in our district. we're closed today. we're an all-women's staff. nobody would be able to get legal services today because our women have all decided to strike. we're the largest group of consumers in this country. if we decided one day not to shop we could paralyze this country economically. we're demanding things people have been demanding for the past 40 years and still have not gotten equal pay. we still don't have universal paid leave or health care -- access to health care for reproductive rights that are undeattack. we're out here for economic justice to be treated with dignity and respect. >> those things clearly won't happen by the end of today or tomorrow.

how do you measure success at the end of this day? >> success is measured through about a couple of school districts in alexandria, virginia, chapel hill, north carolina and prince george county, maryland, an entire school districts had to shut down because women were taking the day off today. so we are, by small examples across the country showing the power of women n what we contribute every day to the communities we are from. so this is just -- this is not a sprint. it's a marathon and we're out here. we were the organizers of the largest protest in u.s. history. >> that would be the women's march. >> the women's march on washington. and women have been leading all the protests around affordable care act, around workers rights, reproductive rights, supporting planned parenthood, and we'll stay out here during this administration. >> watching my twitter feed today, some see this as a protest against men. is this a protest against men? >> no. we have many male allies that have showed up. many are picking kids up from

school so their partners, wives, girlfriends are taking a break today. we are -- this is a movement about women's rights. if you are a person who believes women's rights are people's rights then you are part of this movement. >> what's the message you hope to send to the white house, particularly to president trump? >> we're sending a message that we're out here and that we're going to hold him accountable and continue to resist under his administration and that women have power. we have economic power. we're a big force in the -- when it comes to labor, health care and all industries. and i hope we're raising awareness and empowering other women to stand up for themselves. >> thank you very much. the rally here at 59th street and 5th in manhattan gets under way at noon and another rally at 4:00 in washington. >> anne thompson in new york. coming up next, fights on all fronts for president trump. how the president is handling his current conflicts on health

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briefing on politics. joining me is senior political editor mark murray. good it see you. president trump facing fights on all fronts. let's break some of them down. first up, health care. president trump threw his support behind this new bill. is that going to waver as we see more republican opposition to it, the health care bill? >> we're going to have to see more republicans come down on this but also how much time and energy and capital does president trump invest into this? a president does have bully pulpit power with your own party to sometimes have your rank and file support half a loaf. we saw president obama do that with his democratic base successfully and sometimes unsuccessfully. it's going to be one of the biggest tasks for the author of "art of the deal" to see what kind of deal he can get his rank and file republicans to support. even as there are these fractures between conservative republicans and moderate ones. >> russia. not going away.

neither is the president's allegation of wiretapping. we're learning now that president obama has reacted to the claims. what can you tell us? >> our colleague peter alexander got reporting from an obama senior peter alexander, the former president rolled his eyes at the wiretapping allegations he knows he did nothing wrong and is actually much more concerned about president trump's asqulge when it comes to health care, guns and the environment that this aide to the former president says that of course is false. >> let's finally take a look at the travel ban. it's taken a few days for the travel ban to face a legal challen challenge. hawaii set to file a lawsuit today. what do we think is going to happen? >> this is the first legislative move on this revise the travel ban but make no mistake, this travel ban turned out to be a defeat for the trump administration, that they had to go back to the drawing board,

revise what they had come up with at the beginning part of the administration all acknowledging a very big retreat on something that donald trump, the president trump ended up saying hey i'm going to go to the courts, i'll meet you in court, what they decided to do was revise it because they realized it wasn't going to meet legal muster. >> mark, good to talk you as always. thank you so much with our daily briefing, mark murray senior political editor. the dow is up 14% since the elections. down today but up 14% since the election. it closed past 21,000 for the first time ever last week. i'm going to break down what's really going on with the economy, not just the market, and what it means for your money. y when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office

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business cycle trends going back decad decades, co-founder and ceo of the economic cycle research institute ecri which forecasted almost every recession in recent memory. i bring him out of the box every few years when people say things like this, we can get an economy that struggled to hit 3% to 4% or 5%, create 25 million jobs and you are here for our dose of reality. >> okay. >> there are a number of things out there that say people with money like trump, including the stock market. is the stock market reflective of the economy and what it is doing? >> occasionally it is in theory it is. today i would argue that the market is consistent with the economy, specifically the economic cycle, which is in the early stages of a reacceleration and looking at leading indicators, this was self-evident. >> tell us briefly leading indicators means? >> they anticipate where the ecomy outside your window is going to be in the nextquarter.

>> the jobs report is a lagging indicator. it tells you what happened last month. >> yep, gdp tells you what happened last month. here we have a chart. the bottom line is the economy, coincident data. it's just started to lift off of a low growth rate. >> the top line indicates that's going to continue. >> yes, the top line number one indicates that's going to continue, very important. there's no recession in sight, we could see a couple of quarters, and the inflection point earlier last year before, well before the election was that leading indicator ramping up and it was telling us very clearly that the economic cycle was reaccelerating, about to reaccelerate, you see that with the jobs data. >> a lot of unemployment people looking for jobs. >> the economy does that, it goes in fits and starts and sometimes it gets a little out of control and we have a recession. here we have a reacceleration, it's a garden variety reacceleration in economic growth. >> garden variety means we're trying to get, if all things

fire on all cylinders might get to 3% economic growth. donald trump in the election said 4%, 5% and 6%. >> i want to unpack that a little bit. yes we could probably see a quarter or two or maybe three of 3% economic growth. that would be consistent with a cyclical upswing, maybe i wouldn't forecast all of that but at least hitting 3% in a quarter, sure. that is a far cry from 3% or 4% sustained economic growth. that is a completely different issue. we haven't seen that in a long time. we're not going to see that in a long time, and it has very little to do with a specific policy today, and more to do with what's going on with the structure of the economy. >> so let me just bring that back to our viewers then. if we can maybe get to 3%, not sustained, but not 4% or 5% or 6%, can donald trump create the 25 million jobs over eight years? in fairness donald trump doesn't

create jobs. can the economy generate 25 million jobs? >> highly unlikely because labor force growth demographics, how many people who are working in the labor force available to work, that is growing at 0.5% a year. there's simple business cycle math we call it. the potential gdp growth if you want it 3% or 4%, labor force growth plus productivity growth has to add up to 3% or 4%. >> got it. >> right now labor force growth is expected to be about 0.5%. that's demographics, set in stone. >> right. >> we switch to productivity growth, that has been 0.5% a year on average the last six years. if you add 0.5% plus 0.5% is 1%, a far cry from 3% or 4%. i love playing this game. you have to get productivity growth way up to 3.5% on a sustained basis. to put this in perspective, twice as fast as president ray gap had during his term.

>> right, so that's a lot of -- >> a long way between here and there. >> thanks for breaking it down. the co-founder and coo of the economic research institute. find me on twitter, facebook and instagram and snapchat. right now on msnbc "andrea mitchell reports." >> thank you, ali. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," critical condition. now it's the republicans who are fighting each other over the white house plan to replace obamacare. >> this returns power from washington back to doctors and patients, back to states. this is what good conservative health care reform looks like. >> we've only had this bill in public for 36 hours, and to try to rush it through this week and then vote on it within the next few weeks really harkens back toment so of the problems that obamacare was created under. >> we can't pay for the current medire