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president trump's election was helped by wikileaks. declined to criticize them -- that material which was acquired in major security breach threaten to reveal cia's hacking around the world. but when asked to comment president trump smiled and said nothing. >> documents from wikileaks, any thoughts? >> wikileaks says material was obta obtain from former contractor. the kremlin's propaganda has collaborated with wikileaks. could it be the forces are at

work to destabilize our government. could it be with his failure to criticize president trump has taken side of the foreign opposition hostile to the united states. it's all happening. listen here, senator chris murphy says -- let's watch. >> i think you have to assume that this is purposely timed coming at a moment we seem to be getting closer and closer of the nature between trump campaign is ian govement a moment when investigations are stepping up inside of congress and pressure buildings for investigations outside of congress. if you look at everything that the russians did during the campaign this were timed according to moments of weakness

in the trump operation. >> -- suffering from the worth breach in history. criticizing agency for being out dated. >> there's concern that the president has about release of national security that threatens and upped mines our nation's security. he believes that the systems that the cia are the out dated and fleeneeds to be up dated. >> as the cia puts together a damage assessment, there's criminal investigation whether to determine -- is to blame. i'm joined now with the reporter from the nbc investigative --

>> let ask su, ken, it seems to me we have a weird basketball three on that side, three on the other, donald trump is sided up on that side of the russians and with wikileaks. it certainly helped him destroy hillary clinton with the leaks of the e-mail of the dnc. now with the document dump, he taking the weird smile, refusing to criticize, any other president would have criticized wikileaks. what side is he on? >> i was struck that his spokesperson didn't condemn wikileaks. >> no, he condemned cia.

>> wikileaks have been responsible for a number of breaches over the years. condemn wikileaks, that didn't happen today. >> what did you make of chris murphy saying something sinister about that timing? all of t >> most of them see a russian hand somewhere. it's hard to imagine -- the u.s. intelligence reviews wikileaks -- it's hard to imagine that russia was not involved. >> it was interesting that donald trump has not come out and condemned this. it's strange to me there's biggest -- >> what is the smile about?

>> i think he has information people don't have. the intelligence committee has more information than he does. i'm not sure what that smile is about. the bottom line is there's huge amount of information stolen. it should be condemned. the investigation should punish the individual responsible. >> we know what trump knows, we know he knows, he knows he was helped by the russians. he loves them. he knows wikileaks delivered all the information. what john podesta was saying, all of that stuff got out thanks to his buddies. now he is smiling that the

wikileaks is going wild with the cia. >> he is not campaigning any more. what wikileaks did was continue on the attack -- making us look weak which is at the core of it what russia seeks to do. >> why is trump like that. when he get up in the morning, he threats -- yet, let is enjoying what seems to be undermining of the intelligence agency. >> i'm not sure he understand a wiretap that comes under law enforcement and and intelligence -- they are different entities. i don't think he understand what's going on to be fair. >> you're being very fair.

julian assange, republican -- republicans and ben from nebrask saying they should spend their time -- when sean spicer was asked today whether assange belong in jail, this is what he said. >> some republicans say julian assange should be in jail? >> i don't think anything that changed that. he has compromised in the past and undermine our security. i'll leave it it up to the department of justice to comment on their disposition of that. >> that was the most useless statement in the world. don't say anything nasty about

the russians or julian assange or -- because they helped me get elected. >> there is horrible. the cia built a hacking operation -- >> the president gets up in the morning, the first thing you would do is want to know what's going on in the world. somebody comes in and have a cup of coffee to tell you what's going on in the world. he is dumping on the intelligence agencies that gives him that information. >> -- he outsourced it to other individuals. we are seeing individuals -- as opposed to criticisms for a lot of parties, we see there on twitter. >> what side is he on? >> congress will hopefully get

to the bottom of this. >> president trump defended julian assange in the past. trump took assange's word. he tweeted in past january. julian assange said 14-year-old could having hacked -- he believed assange. what do you make of it. >> there's a question, did journalistic protections extend to julian assange. how how does he come back politically and make 180 here when wikileaks were the direct recipient from this insider or they received it from the russians. they are complicit in doing something that -- >> early this morning, a trump

confidant was seen living, when approached by buzzfeed news he could not remember what he had been doing in the building. when asked whether he met with julian assange. he said i never discuss where i go or who i see. >> the question is not -- can you tell if he was there on behalf of the white house? >> sure. i don't -- i have not -- this is silly. i don't think asking where ron dam foreign leaders are. i'm sure he was doing -- i don't keep his schedule. i'm not sure. >> that was informative. where does it take you. we have russians helped trump get elected. we know wikileaks julian assange

bragging how they undermine cia and damaged our eighty to hack into information around the world. trump seem to be smiling. >> assange made remarkable charge that the cia arsenal is loose, in the wild, if that's true, that's major blow. >> we have not found the fire, but there's a lot of smoke. >> there's more than smoke. >> there could be some criminal behaviorhat's being covered , compromising information, we doesn't know what the fire, we know there's a lot of smoke and sparks. >> fbi director comey declined to answer questions whether

trump tower was wiretapped. let's watch. >> was wiretap trump tower? >> kasie has one of the toughest, she cannot make the horse talk. good work by kasie. i think there's -- coming up, healthcare fight. he wants to let the aca fail to blame the democrats, good luck with that. -- they may not be able to pass anything. we. plus the president is out there trying to win over former rivals, even had ted cruz over

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everybody has to be vered. >> i'm going to take re of everybody. i. >> people have no money. we have help people but that doesn't mean single payer. we have to help people. if someone has no money and they are lying in the middle of the street, i'm going to take care of -- >> how are you going to do it. >> i will not allow people to die on the sidewalks and the streets of our country in i'm president. >> this was then candidate trump. but that new plan the american healthcare plan act, fazing resistance by trump's own party.

members from congress say it's obamacare light. there's also skepticism from senate republicans. >> the bill is currently drafted would not pass senate. >> the speaker of the house is open for negotiations what they mean is that anything you want to add in phase two or three what do you make of it? >> the president is clear this is open for negotiation. as it is written it would not pass the senate. >> i do not think it will be well received in the senate. >> this would not pass because it would not reduce prices for insurance and make it affordable and personalized. >> cnn reported in the senate

blocked the bill, allow -- cnn reports that -- you are helping the other side. the gop continues to wrestle of obamacare, if they fail to get 218 votes in the house to pass, is it possible we could see it theft left untouched, that's my theory. joining me now, two conservatives at the meeting last night. would you like to see a straight repeal? something like 54 times the house of representatives voted to repeal. they always did it obama would veto. now that the president sets there with a pen in the hand to sign a bill, can you get

straight up and down bill. will it pass the house? >> we are opt misic, that's what the republicans promised when they regained house. they wanted more, so they got the majority and the senate. they said we don't have the white house. they have the white house. now they are saying there's unelected staffer who gets to allow what we do rather than those elected. we agree with the republicans and with the president, obamacare is disaster and needs to be repealed. president trump is trying to keep his promise and we want to make sure that that happens. >> it seems to me it has a lot of problems because it increases the deficit, it has tax credits,

which are subsidies, it has medicaid expansion, if you're a hard conservative -- >> those are our concerns. those are the concerns we need to the president and this beginning of the process. i believe obamacare would be repealed. >> when do you want? >> i would like to -- you mention this earlier, 2015 all by five revoted for clean repeal. >> that's when you knew it would not be signed by the president. >> there's no reason to do it. >> i worked on hill for years. it goes down to number, number, numbers, because you need 218.

>> 2015 bill almost got everyone. >> straight repeal would pass? >> everyone in congress today voted for the bill. >> nothing it would not be signed, that's why they voted for it. know they have to face the consequences of taking it away from people now. >> you would -- rand paul has a great bill out that starts blowing up the boundaries of the state lines. >> what's the plan, if the -- if you can't get a bill after all of that power combined, what's the plan from trump. did he say last night, if we don't get it through, we'll watch the obamacare die. what's the plan or blame? >> he pointed out like he did in

orlando that if it doesn't get repealed it's going to fail. we all want to help make sure the law is repealed and that when it is replaced, it's replaced with free market that reduces the cost of -- >> before obamacare we had free market system? >> we had regulated system. >> thank you for joining me. joining me is democratic from michigan. i study numbers and i don't see 50 in 18. i do not see a united republican party to get rid of obamacare

and what they want to do is offer something that will sed the in the middle. -- what do you think is going to happen. what do you think? >> i can speak to the senate. i don't see the votes in the senate right now. this is a triple whammy for families across the country. they are going to pay for, get less healthcare and pay nor more taxes. >> it's not going to happen. >>less in your a drug company or wealthy person, there is not a good deal for you. when i look at michigan, 97% can see a doctor, tonight, they are going to see a doctor if their child is sick, that's a god thing.

they have to respond to real people. this isn't political. healthcare is personal. people, it's personal. >> what would be the ideal resolution. would it be that the republicanss failed to screw it up, that best option over the next four years that nobody screws with obamacare? >> i think tla better option. for people it's not political, it's personal. what's personal? we have areas in michigan where the co pays are too high. let's forget about the politicals of reveal, sit down, and keep what's good. >> they don't believe in entitling anybody to anything.

they say no more entitlements, they say that, we heard it here. >> 1/6 of the economy, if you can't see a doctor, if the mom can't take child to the doctor, they are going to go emergency room. they are going to balloon the -- because people can't see the doctor. >> thank you. senator from michigan. i think by the way we're going to keep obamacare, and republicans are not going to help fix it. up next, dinner with friends. the company over for supper, including the guy he called lying ted. this is "hardball."

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people who dine curry favor with the president. the attorney calls suit a publicity stunt. back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball" of the while donald and melania dined with the cruz family. he called the trump's warm, and gracious, political rivals have had to find ways to bury the hatchet. donald trump went after the appearance of cruz's wife tweeting comparison to his own

wife ask suggested that cruz's father had something to do with killing jack kennedy. >> his father was with lee harvey oswald prior to him being shot. nobody even brings it up. he doesn't talk about that, that was reported and nobody talk abouts it. i think it's horrible. what was he doing with lee harvey oswald before the shooting. it's horrible. >> he also went after cruz's religion. >> tell comes in bible high and lies to you. it's unbelievable. i do like ted cruz butot a lot of evangelicals come out of cuba in all fairness. >> he hammered away cruz personally over and over again. >> let is a nasty guy, nobody

likes him anywhere. he has an edge that's not good. i watched ted cruz this morning. so dramatic. can't watch. >> how much cruz, lying ted. he is a liar. lying ted comes in and holds and the bible up, holds it high and lies. they want me to act presidential, they don't want me to call him lying ted. i want to congratulate ted on maine. he is an act nchor baby in cana >> what did they discuss last night, i bowonder.

i often they you can be snork kit by, but you cannot out do, nastiness of that -- he would be useful to me, so i'll invite him over to dinner. >> you can't make it up chris, you did everybody a favor not playing the clip where donald trump called ted cruz a vulgar -- they are both great in their own way and they get something out of it. >> which cruz wants to put up with this -- why do he have -- why is he going to the white house. he never took any of the stuff back. >> he goes in with the wife that was insulted and bring his children into the environment to see the potential bloodshed. ted cruz is -- for his cause to

be a purist. trump brings him in there to make nice and get support. he is not going to get the support from ted cruz. he going to milk it. remember at beginning of the campaign, he loved donald trump and he road in his shadow. when it it wasn't conconvenient, he turned back. >> that's exactly what he will do each time. >> give him food and dump on him. let's watch that action. >> it is not acceptable for a big loud new york bully to

attack my wife. i don't get angry often, but you mess with my wife, that will do every time. you're a snibble liar. this man is a liar. he lies practice kally every word that comes out of his mouth. this man is immoral. morality does not exist for him. i wake up and laugh at the latest thing donald trump is tweeted because he is losing it. donald would have nuked denmark. >> pass the sugar.

how do you -- the -- here is a guy saying he is mr. street smart, let me at him. what time is dinner, donald. >> then he brings his daughter. i would not be surprised in trump read green eggs and ham. i would say during the campaign it was survival and he needed to knock them out. here is something to think about, it's seven eight weeks

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welcome back to "hardball." president trump's tweet against barack obama. the new "time" magazine cover proclaims president is waging war against steve bannon told "tim

"tim magazine he is only doing because -- according to a number of leaked reports, it sounds like his administration, trump, is ready to take an ax to the reporting. the associated press reported that they are considering funding to the department of states, in order to pay for the wall, the trump administration is considering drastic cut as coast guard, fema, and tsa. for now, we're joined by the roundtable. jennifer, there seems to be -- you hear the stories about trump

is a -- whatever that is. he wants to destroy institution. his roll is to leave less government when he is gone. >> on one hand he is being up the government, he ramp up the mi military, and on the other hand, he taking up an ax. what is he up to? he is trying to dismantle the administration site. the order that kept peace and prosperity and keep the safety net in tack -- >> we have state department so we don't have wars. it's called diplomacy. >> this is all about disruption. this is aboutse phones, airbnb disrupting hotels, uber,

disrupting cars. >> what are you ram pert of -- >> no. >> every time he sends, courts are freaking out. >> i said earlier in the show, he gets in the morning, first thing he gets is the reports what rehhe has to deal with. he has one source of information in the morning, it's not new york post, it's cia and he is dumping on it it. >> we don't know if he reading the morning briefs that he gets from the cia. this is what you have when you have a never had a bored of trustees, had a small group

that's been around him for years. he doesn't understand -- why are there thousands of unfilled position. he doesn't know yet, he will when there's a crisis, and there's -- >> if all you had to do is live in the place with the -- that means you have to run the united states government. >> he is a hotelier after all. >> these guys are been raging against ben gancecy -- this is going to create a mess. >> he is going to be left hanging in the wind because if

he is removing real security for fake security, this wall that's never going to get built -- >> nobody is going to be shooting over the wall. >> -- they take the job seriously. and to say we're going to cut down expenture. you have to check every bag. >> if sounds crazy to cut the people who -- we'll see if that works. i think this is why our system has checks and balances this is it why there's a congress who has to approve everything.

>> how many times have you walked down the street and seen a person, usually a veteran. now you want to cut the housing for the guys on disability, who fought in the war. how do you tell them to sit in the street tonight. th's going t be hard. i uedo lve down the street and it's a section 8 housing. that's not going to sell. >> if someone gets sick, if there's e coli outbreak, these are dangerous. >> the roundtable -- steve bannon, will skip town.

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>> at least the administration ha a lot of credibility these days. sick of celeb politics? arnold schwarzenegger is considering running for senate in california in 2018. you think about this -- >> against? >> against whoever is the democratic candidate. i mean, this is -- >> either feinstein or somebody else? >> the assumption is she doesn't run again. >> don't make that assumption. but think about how much -- he just quit "the apprentice," the back-and-forth twitter war. they hate each other. think about the potential distraction. >> i don't think he'd win the general. >> i don't know it's about that. it may be an exercise to troll the president. >> serious topic for a moment. >> you don't think schwarzenegger is serious? you don't think tillerson going to asia without press -- i think these are serious. >> policy, policy. 784,000 refugees and asylum seekers have come to the united states since 9/11. exactly three have been arrested, not convicted, not charged with terrorist

activities. asylum seekers are the people who are most likely to get off benefits, get on to work faster than any other immigrant group. there are more college graduates among the asylum and refugee population. they are involved, more attached to the work force, it's nuts to not take these people in. these are the creme de la creme in some respects. >> i hear you. >> and it's cruel and -- >> it's usually ideology that drives them out of these countries. bad leadership. jay newton small, jennifer rubin. when we return, let me finish trump watch. he won't like this one. you're watching "hardball," where the action is.

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trump watch, thursday, march 9, 2017. i wonder about trump's patriotic instincts, don't you? here he was today given a chance to say something about a foreign group trying to undercut the u.s. government in the world and he gives us the smile of a cheshire cat. what do we make of that smile is he the mona lisa enjoying a secret? does he think it makes him cool to be enjoying the way the group thatelped get him elected is helping itself to undermine our government's intelligence capability? does he find that makes him superior to lesser men, that he's got foreign allies ready to destroy this country's institutions with the same cheek that trampled hillary clinton's chances in the last sflelection? there's an old line from the labor movement that fits here -- which side are you on. is trump on the side of

wikileaks that greased him into the white house? is he on the side of the group that shares steve bannon, his con singh lee are consiglieri? he's dancing the one that brung him and doesn't mind a lick that we know it. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> this will be a plan where you can choose your plan. and you know what the plan is. this is the plan. >> the hard sell gets harder. >> we're not jamming this down people's throats. >> as the republican calls to slow down and start over mount. trumpcare takes two steps forward in the dark of night. >> the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. >> tonight, are staunch conservatives starting to wobble? plus --