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wiretapped trump tower. the intel committee wants answers by tomorrow. >> i'm not for this plan, and i think there are lots of opposition to this plan in the house and the senate. >> then the standoff on capitol hill. republicans at odds with their fellow party members on the health care plan and there's no end in sight. and then this, the missile threat with new questions today over the danger posed by north korea. could that country launch an attack on parts of the u.s.? plus, why is rex tillerson leaving the media behind on one of his first big trips overseas as the secretary of state? i'm going to speak to former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. bill richardson about those questions and then, northeast blizzard watch. a serious last blast of winter expected this week in parts of the northeast. so which state is going to get hit the hardest? we'll have detail ahead this hour on msnbc live, but we do want to begin with politics and new reaction to the republicans' healthcare proposal as it faces its next big hurdle and this

week the vote in the budget committee. gop members opposed to the plan, this morning we have tom jordan and rand paul and tom cotton. >> it doesn't bring down premms and it doesn't unite republicans. thkey is let's do what we told the voters we were g to do. let's repeal obamacare and not create a different form of obamacare. i'm not for this plan and i think there's lots of opposition to this plan in the house and the senate. >> if we get what we've got from ryan, obamacare-lite. he will not have the votes and we have to get to that vote before true negotiations going on and there is a charm offensive and everybody is being nice to everybody because they want us to vote for this, but we're not going to vote for it. >> i would say to my friends in the house of representatives with whom i serve, do not walk the plank and then have to face the consequences of that vote. >> hhs secretary tom price is pushing back on one of the chief concerns of the proposal. here's what he told my colleague, chuck todd, on "meet

the press" earlier. >> you believe your system will add an additional 20 million over the 20 million that had expanded coverage? you really believe that? >> we believe -- i believe and the president believes firmly, that if you create a system that's successful for everybody and you provide the financial feasibility for everybody to get coverage that we have the great opportunity to increase coverage over where we are right now as opposed to where the line is going right now where people are losing coverage and we'll have fewer individuals covered than we do currently. >> here's how the plan's architect, house speaker paul ryan responded to the reports that the plan could result in 15 million people losing boobamaca. >> we're not going to make an american do what they don't want them to do. >> how many lose coverage? >> i can't answer that question. it's up to people. >> time is running out for the white house to produce hard evidence supporting the president's wiretapping claims. the house intelligence committee requested any relevant information be submitted by tomorrow. i want to bring in nbc's kelly

o'donnell. kelly is at the white house for us and explain if we know if the white house has tangible proof to supply. >> reporter: i have asked that question and so far we're not getting a response about whether the trump administration, and it would be more the department of justice woul respond to this committee. we don't have a reason to believe they would not, but i've checked around, and i've gotten no updates on that. it's also sunday so perhaps the people with the most knowledge of this directly may not be as accessible. this is about a real attempt to sort of smoke out, is there something real in the president's charge that was so inflammatory and really, many people responded to the fact that he was accusing president obama after that transition and inauguration period there appeared to be a collegiality, at least, between trump and obama and that seems to have disintegrated. the president using twitter almost in a lashing out way to make this accusation.

now there are, of course, recorded conversations that are not wiretaps, that are done as a part of normal counterintelligence. that happens within the government. that might be something that maybe the president was reaching for. wiretapping is a very specific thing. so when we talk about what does congress want to know? the intelligence committee has said, present that evidence and the deadline is tomorrow and the stakes are high. the top did democrat on the committee is adam schiff says there's more to this than the larger implications. here's what he had to say. >> two possibilities here, the president for some reason made up this charge or more disturbing, the president really believes this and here's where i think it's consequential, george, if six months from now the president should say that iran is cheating on the nuclear agreeme agreement. if he's making that up it's a

big problem and if he's not making it up it's a bigger problem because the question is would people believe him? >> reporter: so it's the credibility piece, tom arhomas, the president could be squandering the credibility that comes with the office itself. trying to get at what is the truth there are top congressional leaders who get right in at the highest level of nationalecurity and intelligence matters. they include house speaker paul ryan who was asked today in a sunday show appearance if he has seen any evidence of the type of wiretapping alluded to in the president's tweet and he said, flatly, no, he has not. so we haven't had any official who would have access to information come forward to say there is evidence, and if there is something else that would happen during the course of the investigations being done by intelligence community and prospects that will come out, but there has been more than a week now and opportunities for perhaps some kind of characterization about what's behind this and so far, it has

been quiet and no details that answer the pertinent questions. thomas? >> we'll see if the needle moves tomorrow. kelly o'donnell at the white house, thank you. >> joining me now is francis of florida. good to have you with me. >> i want to start with the latest calls about tangible evidence to back up the president's wiretapping claims. we know the house intelligence committee has asked the executive branch for such evidence by tomorrow. have you heard about any proof that could come from the white house or even the department of justice about wiretapping? >> no, i have want, but there are so many rumors and claims and issues floating around all this. i think it would be useful to focus what the committee's jurisdiction is and have the intelligence committee vet this out before people continue to toss out spurious comments. >> we know that senator john mccain has taken to the sunday shows today also talking about the president saying that he needs to make a choice. take a listen to this, sir. i want to ask you a question on

the other side. >> the president has one of two choices. either retract or to provide the information that the american people deserve because if his predecessor violated the law, president obama violated the law we have a serious issue here to say the least. i have no reason to believe if the charge is true, but i also believe that the president of the united states could clear this up in a minute. >> sir, i know you said you want to do away with any type of rumor, speculation and innuendo about all of this, but most of us are taking our marching orders from the president and that tweet and trying to find out if it is true. do you agree with john mccain, this is a matter of retracting or making that evidence public? >> i don't know that there's been an allegation that the president transgresed a law, then i don't know why you would place the burden on hem to continue to speak about it if he

doesn't want to. maybe they need to talk to the people in the justice department and people that would have issued any kind of so-called fisa warrant or anythingand a them directly. >> when it comes to president trump, do you think that there is an issue of tweeting about this and saying something that would be an impeachable offense against president obama is putting him in a position to be obstructing justice? >> well, everybody seems to have their own personal style, and there's been a lot of very strong comments made and sometimes disruptive comments made in the camp amp and in the time since the campaign and until someones th says this riso the subpoena like questioning of illegality, i think it's up to the committee to find out about things from people that have direct access as to whether or not the fbi, department of justice or some intelligence community member sought a warrant. >> sir, because of the connective tissue, and because

of any warrant that may have been sought over this, do you support an independent investigation of president trump and his associates with known ties to russian officials? >> well, i think we have a very robust and important architecture in the two bipartisan intelligence committees, house and senate. and the first step ought to be to let them go through their process and see what recommendations they might make. >> so if we look at the issues of president trump and his associates, i know that you actually put up on your website recently about the real reset forrussia, about six paragraphs, and say. most of the essay is dedicated to the failure of the obama administration. you don't mention president trump once about the issue of russian aggression on your website. why is that? >> well, because what i was trying to lay out there is that president putin is a real politic, foreign approximately see expert and he'll respond to actions, not words and everybody seemed to think that words would

influence him and i just don't think they will. i think that we have shown him weakness for many years, and i've laid out many instances on that and more, and if we want to get russia's attention and set out our strategic interests, vis-a-vis rush a then we would have defensible acts. >> do you think it was a mistake to demeanor inish the language about support for ukraine, something that is widely considered to be held by the trump team to lessen the language of u.s. support to ukraine over its freedom from russian aggression? >> i definitely think we need to support the ukraine. part of the case that i tried to lay out there is that russia has strong interest in the ukraine that go back to the original formation of the russian federation, and so we need to respect where they're coming from and unless we want to see them take the ukraine which they'd probably love to do, we better be clear in our -- not just subtle, but clear in our

effort -- in our desire and strategic interest to keep the ukraine independent of russia. part of ukraine still is. >> do you think president trump is the right person for that job? >> that's a decision made by the american people, not me. >> all right, sir. i want to get your take on what is the big talk right now as what rand paul called it a charm offensive, and i know you called the new bill a good start. in your opinion, how is it better than obamacare and according to secretary price potentially cover more people? >> well, i think, first of all, we've got to do something. recognizing the failures of obamacare is the first step. you can't solve a problem until you identify it, and when you start to go forward i like many aspects of this proposal and it brings tax equivalency, and i would like to see more stimulus towards more people joining group insurance plans. we passed a bill last week in the education workforce committee that would allow

smaller employers to band together to get enough covered lives to have a competitive group plan which is a good idea, too. the other thing it does, is it provides choice and should bring competition into the market. one of the disasters of obamacare is that there's almost over 2,000 counties that have one insurer now and 18 of the 23 exchanges have failed. so we've got to do something to bring competition back in and five states only have one insurer. these measures that are in this bio bring competition are things i believe in. i believe in the free enterpre system. >> we also heard from speaker ryan saying people will get health care if they want it, but is the problem that they might not be able to afford it? he said there would be people that wouldn't be covered and there are certain numbers not calculated yet of just how many people it would cover. why not? >> well, i think that there's a lot of different models out there and we're talking about different people's views and behavior and there are people

that don't want to offer any tax credit and this bill here is reasonable in terms of providing an opportunity for the -- for all americans to have the ability to purchase insurance on a tax-favored basis and the people that are at the poverty line and some at the poverty line that can't afford to buy any insurance and will be covered by medicaid and the bill also has provisions in there for reform. >> we know that there are certain gop critics concerned about who would be hurt by that and rolling back medicaid expansion. i know that's probably a big concern for many people in your state of florida, but this was a concern of senator tom cotton, a different concern that he raised this morning. take a listen to this. >> i'm afraid that if they vote for this bill they're going to put the house majority at risk next year, and we have majorities in the house, the senate and the white house want only to repeal obamacare and to reform our taxes and the regulations and build up our military and accomplish many

other things. sir, is that something that you would be concerned with, as well? the fact that there would be retribution to certain republican-elected leaders in the midterms? >> well, i think what the senator said is absolutely correct about what we need to do as a republican majority, and i'm excited to be here, to have gotten into politics late in life and had the chance to help make some of this happen. i don't know where -- why he feels that we would lose the majority by enacting a law that -- and we don't know exactly how this law will be, but enacting a competent healthcare law which brings choice and competition back into the market and should enable more people to get insurance. >> francis rooney, congressma of florida. thank you for being on today. i appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. happening right now on the weather front the northeast is bracing for a major snowstorm expected to dump heavy snow from d.c. all of the way to boston. the national weather service issued a blizzard watch for millions of people. msnbc meteorologist bonnie

schneider watching all of it for us. update us on when it is expected to hit. >> for the new york area, for example, we're expecting that snow to begin in the overnight period some time between midnight on monday until 1:00 a.m., and looking at the region overall, 58 million people affected and this is going to be fairly long lasting from monday to wednesday and i want to point out for the blizzard watch it was expanded into parts of northeastern new jersey. we're looking at blizzard conditions as well as boston and let's break it down hour by hour so you know what to expect and when. monday night the storm gains strength offshore and this is when you'll see heavy rain in the carolinas and you'll start to see a wintry mix in washington ask baltimore. low pressure works its way offshore and it's all snow for washington, d.c., philadelphia, new york. not snowing yet in albany or into boston. that will begin later on in the day as of the latter part of the morning, but still, the intense

snowfall and we could see one to three inches per hour. that is really intense snowfall and that will take place tuesday for some of the major cities along the i-95 corridor. by tuesday night the snow starts to taper off in the mid atlantic and still very strong into the new york area as well as new england where it will continue to be dangerous. white-out conditions expected because of the fierce wind that we're dealing with and the wind will go from bad to worse very quickly on tuesday. overall tuesday is just going to be a terrible day and we want to make sure you stay indoors and with the snowfall rate so intense and the wind blowing it's just going to be a mess out there, and we're expecting masse travelis druptions and power outages due to the fierce winds and this low pressure system traveling from off the carolina coast all of the way off the coast of new england by tuesday night and it's this period of time we're being looking at the worst weather still on being trois, thomas, for a foot of snow in the major cities that we've been talking about. there really hasn't been change in the forecast and we'll see heavy, heavy snow with this

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money on something doesn't mean it can't get better. in fact, the private sector does that all of the time. the phone you have in front of you is cheaper now than it was before, but it's better quality than it was before and that's some of the things we're trying to drive into mecaid with obamacare. we're trying to make medicaid a lot more efficient. >> there we have budget director nick mulvaney explaining why the gop's new health care bill will

stop the medicaid expansion put into place by president obama's affordable care act. joining me is michigan congressman dan kildee and a member of the financial services committee. good to have you with me. how do you respond to mulvaney there? >> i understand in theory what he's saying, but it doesn't make sense. it does save mono pep it doesn't save money for the people who lose their health care. i mean, if they're so interested in saving money why is it they're making huge tax breaks for insurance ceos? i mean, maybe if they were paid less they would be more efficient? it just doesn't make sense. we have to be clear about this. this is a huge tax break given to the wealthiest americans, to the richest people, to insurance executives and it's a loss of coverage. people will pay more for less under trumpcare, and we shouldn't try to pretend or

disguise it as anything else than that. this is a huge transfer of wealth from hardworking people to the people at the very top. >> we heard from speaker ryan, that people will get it if they want it, they can really only get it if they can afford it. they may want it, but they may not be able to afford it this time around. >> well, it will be far less affordable. the support is a lot less especially if you're age 50 to 65, get ready, fasten your seat belts because you will have to pay an age tax for having health insurance. you won't be eligible for medicare. you're not going to get the kind of help that you get from the premium supports and now under trumpcare, a person of that age will have to pay five times what a younger, healthier person would pay, under the affordable care act that was limed to three times. so the costs are going to go way up for people who can least afford it and who need health

care the most under trumpcare. that's a big step in the wrong direction and there's, i think, good reason that the republicans are struggling and there's good reason that they're trying to rush this through before tomorrow. they're trying to get commitments before the congressional budget office releases what i think will be really bad numbers for this whole plan. >> we than sean spicer worked at trying to delegitimize the bipartisan efforts before they had the opportunity to look this over and basically grade it. as you said right there, an age tax for people 50 to 65. if you can prove that and continue to talk about that for people, whether they're republican or democrat, that's a big red flag for people, to think about an age tax and the democrats are in the minority, though, what is your game plan? >> well, i think it's just to expose the real elements of this plan so that people understand, millions of people will lose their health care coverage. if you get coverage it will be

lesser coverage. it won't cover what you have under the affordable care act and it will be a huge transfer of health through big tax breaks going to the richest people in the country. when people understand that and they know especially those age 50 to 65 are really going to have to reach into their pockets and pay a whole lot more, we're going to go back to that time that we don't want to go back to where healthcare and health insurance is limited to the privileged view who have access to means and that everybody else will be on their own. never mind the fact that medicaid will likely be reformed in a way that basically makes it inaccessible to all, but the very poorest people. >> you do believe that there need to be updates to the aca for pitfalls and experiences -- >> for sure. >> -- that have come from letting it live and breathe and figuring out where those

pitfalls are. governor kasich was on "meet the press" today saying the president is open to compromise. are the democrats willing to put forth any compromise? >> if the compromise is to work on the areas of the affordable air act that we know we can make better, like, for example allowing the government to negotiate for prescription drug prices so we're not at it is mercy of pharmaceutical companies or to allow people to take their dollars and their premium supports and buy into medicare so that there is the public option that provides the competition that is so lacking in some areas. those seem to be the areas where we can effect costs and the republicans have never been willing to improve the affordable care act because they never wanted it to work. there are things that we can do, but what we have here, what this plan does, is it essentially takes us back to a different

time where if you had enough money, you can get health insurance. if you had a pre-existing condition. you are on your own. this puts really insurance companies back in charge. they talk about how they want to put, you know, doctors and patients back in charge. they should have done that. what their plan does is increases compensation to wealthy insurance company executives and puts them in much more in charge of health care, dictating terms to the marketplace, saying what we are willing to ensure and what we won't. >> the fact that they put this together over just a few days is becoming really evident. >> rand paul called it a charm offensive taking place right now as they continue to try to make this something that everybody can gather behind, but we'll see what comes out tomorrow, as you

said as this fast tracking conditions. mr. kildee, thank you so much. >> how long has it been since donald trump junior has spoken with his dad and a supreme court prediction from senator ted cruz? these are two revelations as they headline a fund-raiser event in texas. we'll take you there after this. it's just a date. i can stay. i'm good.

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welcome back. i'm thomas roberts here at msnbc world headquarters in new york and at the half hour this is what we're watching for you. that big storm expected to hit the northeast. a major snowstorm beginning late tomorrow night. the national weather service already issuing a blizzard watch for new york city and boston. msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider will keep us updated and we'll check back with her coming up a little later on, but back to the political storm taking place in this country and a particular prediction by republican senator ted cruz about the future of the supreme court. listen to this. >> if you think the fight we're about to have over gorsuch is

bad, i think the odds are very significant that this summer we'll have another supreme court vacancy. >> senator cruz making these comments at a repuanarty fund-raiser last ght which he and the president's son attended headlining this event and it happened after president trum hosted senator cruz and his family for dinner. his comment there about the supreme court has people curious. do you know what he was getting at? >> reporter: i don't, thomas, and i don't think anyone in the crowd did. the first time it was at cpac, and he's alluding to retirement or death, which i don't think he's referring to. neil gorsuch could be having his hearing in two weeks d th story last night out of dallas was the fact that donjunior, donald trump junior had his first political event since inauguration it and there's been

concern over the last few months whether donald trump would be able to separate himself from his business. last month he gave his business over to eric and don junior, and of all places in texas with ted cruz. >> he had had dinner with my father earlier this week. now -- i don't even know if i have to deliver a punchline to that, but it's sort of ironic. who would have thought a year ago that ted cruz would be having dinner with my father and i basically have zero contact with him at this point. it's -- it's pretty amazing, but i want to thank ted, as well, for all of his support. >> reporter: thomas, who would have thought that seven months ago that a trump would be appearing with ted cruz? it was seven months ago right after the republican convention when donald trump suggested he would spend $10 to $20 million on a super pac to oust ted cruz

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more now on the growing concern about the threat posed by north korea. "the washington post" is out with a new article detailing the

rapid idly escalating risks. the issue is at the forefront of secretary of state rex tillerson's trip to south korea, japan and china this week. it comes as north korea calls last weekend's launch of four missiles a trial run for an attack on u.s. military bases in japan. joining me now, former new mexico governor bill richardson. he served as the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and is the energy secretary during the clinton administration. great to have you with me and you've experienced negotiating with north korea dating back to the '90s. what is the current threat to the u.s. bases in japan? how seriously do you take north korea? >> well, it's a serious threat and they've increased their technological capability, their missile capability. they use that toxin poison on kim jong-un's brother, the leader of north korea is increasingly unpredictable and not appearing to be interested in dialogue. you've got china upset about that potential anti-missile

system that the u.s. and south korea have. you have the japanese very nervous. you have the south korean election coming up where more pro-dialogue government could come in. so the whole region is in turmoil, but the main problem is north korea's aggressive behavior and concurrently, what do we do about it? that's thing issue, thomas. >> meanwhile, while we talk about the threat to u.s. bases in japan, gordon chang who wases on our air yesterday and the author of the nuclear showdown said this about the capabilities of north korea being able to target the mainland of the u.s. take a listen. >> i think they have three missiles that can hit the lower 48 states. the one thing that north koreans know they can't do is to make the nuke to those missiles and that's a matter of four years or so and they've made the intermediate range missile. so they have the technology and they need time to perfect it. so within a half decade at most, they will be able to hold the

u.s. to ransom. >> so, governor, in listening to gordon chang saying that they would be able to make a nuke in less than ten years, about five years, he was saying to get to the u.s. mainland. how do we stop them from getting to that point in a five-year period of time? >> well, i -- i think the assessment is accurate because their technology is advancing so strenuously. they've got about 20 nuclear weapons already. i think that's the big issue and what makes sense right now. i've been very critical of president trump's foreign policy, however, on north korea, i think so far they've been deliberate, they've been cautious and they're doing review given the changing circumstances in asia. i think, thomas, it has to be -- you can't just look at a military option. we've got a 28,000 troops in south korea, 50,000 in japan and a little trip wire and a miscalculation could cause a war. i think what we need is a

combination of carrots and sticks. i think you need a new diplomatic effort there that involves potentially some humanitarian assistance in exchange for missile technology, some kind of of a dialogue. there is a young man in prison there otto warmbier, maybe we use that humanitarian effort to release the young man as a way to start talking to north korea, but i think the secretary of state is doing the right thing, going around asia, doing a review and finding out. there are new circumstances in the past, our policy of basically strategic patience hoping the regime collapses just didn't work so we need a new approach, thomas. >> as you talk about the secretary of state making this trip and again he's going to south korea, japan and china and a potential carrot and sticks approach. the media sure got whacked with a big stick by tillerson in the fact that there is no u.s. press traveling with him, and that

means that the secretary of state could be characterized and reported upon by these other foreign media entities. is that a big mistake and is this something that we need to be worried about for his next big trip? no press? >> i do believe it's a big mistake and secretary tillerson. i've heard some good things about him from some of my friends in the state department that he's calm, deliberate, analytical, but i think shutting the press off on a big international trip, you know, the secretary of state works for the american people. so you guys should be included, and i think that probably will change. i hope it isn't the trump white house saying, hey, all foreign policy is happening at the white house because that would be a mistake because our diplomats should be making that foreign policy, but at the same time, you know, you want to be open. you're sending messages around the world, and i think the state department just from some of the stuff i've read has been diminished a bit, that the

approximately see policy is being made at the white house and excluding state which should be the main agents of the foreign policy, and i hope he changes that and my sense is the very good diplomats that exist at state that are advising rex tillerson like thomas shannon, the undersecretary and a lot of others can say to him, look, we've got to open things up. let's be the center of american foreign policy, and i think tillerson, there is negotiating ability and an oil executive and maybe can be a new face of this foreign policy. i hope so. >> on the point about excluding state being done and the foreign policy at the white house, the state department spokesman mark toner said they were unaware that mexico's foreign minister was in town. turns out tillerson's mexican counter part was pleating with president trump's son-in-law and adviser jared kushner as well as gary cohn and h.r. mcmaster.

what do you make of that and why tillerson wouldn't have been included? >> well, i believe that is showing that a lot of these foreign leaders, foreign ministers are going to the white house because the perception is that that's where foreign policy is being made. that's a mistake in our apparatus of foreign policy, but at the same time, i think that the foreign minister of mexico, he should have gone to the state department. he should have visited tillerson. he should have recognized that, you know, the state department, they're not going to go away. they're going to be back and they're going to be strong. so i think foreign ministers should cover themselves and go to the white house and mexico does, latin america does and they're in the state department and it's in america's interest that our diplomats and state department be the preeminent center of american foreign policy. that's what they're there for. it's a very, good, strong bureaucracy with foreign service

officers. as i said, i've heard good things about tillerson that he, you know, he's listening to them, but i think he has to be more forward in projecting the state department and himself with the media, with the international community as the main agent of american foreign policy, not the white house and not the president's son-in-law, and not the defense department, but the state department. >> he's going from ceo of exxon to working for the american people. we'll continue to cover this, ambassador bill richardson, good to have you on, sir. >> thank you. it's never been publicly seen before, the surveillance video about the mike brown case in ferguson. the story it sells and significance, and why it was never released. you'll hear from the director of that film next, and next hour, a member of congress who is an e.r. doc tells us his biggest concern about obamacare's replacement.

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new allegations today in the case of michael brown, the teenager shot by a police officer nearly three years ago. at this time police said brown had robbed a convenience store, but a new documentary is revealing a never-before-seen surveillance video disputing that story. it shows the teen swapping marijuana for cigarillos with the store clerk. nbc news has not verified the claim that marijuana was traded and that was before the shooting of brown and an attorney for the convenience store and its employee gave this statement to the new york times saying there was no transaction, was there no understanding, no agreement. those folks didn't sell him the cigari, well los for pot. the reason he gave it back is he was walking out the door with unpaid merchandise and they wanted it back. we'll hear from the attorney on the next hour on msnbc. we know the footage has not been authenticated by the st. louis county police and it's been edited by the filmmaker and we

cannot confirm how they obtained it in the first place, but joining us on the phone to answer those questions is filmmaker jason pollack. can you explain how you got a hold of this video? >> well, i got a hold of the video because i've been living in ferguson for two years working with the community and the family of michael brown on the investigation of this case, and i've been doing investigation work, real work trying to figure out what actually happened down there and when you do real work on a big story you gethe truth, and that's how i got the video. >> jason, police are saying in a statement that they cannot confirm its authenticity at this time. >> oh, that's a big surprise -- what a big surprise. >> -- who did you work with being sure that you are digging up investigative nuggets and details, someone that did authenticate it for you that you felt with your power as a

filmmaker to share it? >> well, you as msnbc did you see the video that i put up before i came on the air? >> we are looking at the surveillance video right now. >> did you watch the clip that went up on "the new york times" before you conducted this interview, sir? >> i've been on the air for the last hour and a half so i haven't seen the clip that you just put up. so if you want to go ahead and explain it to me. >> so let me explain to you what went up so i can tell you what your producers should have explained to you because this is the problem right now with the media, sir, and this is why this didn't come out for three years. with all due respect, so what came out this morning -- >> with all due respect i'm having you on the air to explain this and don't demean me and other people doing their work. >> you are putting me on the air and i'm trying to figure out

what we're doing here. >> i did not go to the no, times website to actually hit the play button on their website. i'm actually showing the clip right now. >> let me explain. let me explain. we put up a clip that shows a paper document from the st. louis county police report that shows that the st. louis county police admitted in their paperwork which is in my clip this morning that was released that they saw a video of michael brown walking into the store at 1:13 a.m., and that heid nothing in the store, but that theyaw a video of michael brown walking into the store at 1:13 a.m. on august 9th and that is highlighted and seen in my video clip which was put out today. >> okay. so then that would refute -- real fast, that would refute that the police is putting out the statement that they can't confirm the authentisity. >> yes, it would.

>> yes it absolutely it would. >> absolutely. they are also saying that they didn't find it to be relevant, but you feel completely differently. >> absolutely. big surprise. so they don't know about their own paperwork. i had to find a page that nobody is able to discover. it's in their paperwork right now, and then we found the video, the time code at the top of the video, big surprise, is exactly in line with their own paperwork that corroborates that the video happened exactly when they said it did and it corroborates that they saw it, and it shows that they only showed us half a video that they've been holding on to this missing puzzle piece and now the world gets to finally see that michael didn't rob the store, and let me just say very clearly to everybody listening, when you

live in a community with not a lot of money and there's a convenience store. that's your grocery store, your market and everything and trading a little bag of weed over the counter for some cigarillos is what everybody is doing. it's very common. it's part of the community and we asked a lot of people there and everybody does that. everybody. i actually found out there is a guy in the store you can buy weed from. so whatever the store says is absolutely ridiculous and we are bringing this evidence to light. the store has been -- the store has known about it all along which is why we didn't need their comment, and michael was not a drug dealer, okay? >> jason, with this -- with this new information, and we'll remind everyone that darren wilson, the officer involved in the sheeting was not indicted on charges by a grand jury, have you had any contact with the district attorney about reopening this investigation

based on the work that you've done? has anyone given you insight into whether they would do that? >> i absolutely agree with your assessment of this. i thank you from the bottom of my heart for saying that rid now in this moment. it means a lot to me. i believe that we have put this out now. i have revealed what happened, and now we are starting that movement, and #justiceformikebrown was the first hash tag before #ferguson, before #blacklivesmatter, before hash tags came we were there for justice for mike brown. i am still there for justice for mike brown. i love what has happened in support of the movement and everything, but we still need to solve this issue. >> jason pollack -- >> mike brown has revealed so much to the world already and now in this moment today he's revealing himself again. he's still doing work for us as an angel on this earth, and he's helping us out by showing us that they are liars.

>> jason -- i appreciate -- jason, i think a lot of people appreciate your passion and dedication to this project, and this work and we appreciate you making time for us here today on msnbc. jason pollack, thank you, sir. coming up the next hour we'll hear from the attorney from the convenience store as well as the reverend al sharpton and we'll be talking about this new and unconventional way of undermining kim jong-un's dictatorship in north korea. stay tuned. sometimes you just know when you hit a home run.

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