[engine roars to life] [dog howls] ♪ dramatic opera music swells from radio ♪ [howling continues] th this monday, repeal, replace and revolt. the republican health care plan. >> this is the closest we will ever get. >> supported by president trump. >> we must act now to save americans from the imploding obamacare disaster. >> but attacked on one side from conservatives. >> this is just obamacare with a different label. >> pulling the rug out from these vulnerable populations is not really the directions we want to go. >> this morning, i'll talk to hhs secretary tom price who oversees the overhaul, the former hhs secrary, who

oversaw obamacare implementation and the governor of ohio who says both parties need to work together. plus the russia connection. democrats threaten to pull out of the investigation if it becomes too partisan. >> and when we hear statements like this. >> '17 would be a disaster for obamacare. that was the year it was meant to explode because obama won't be here. >> are we conditioned to dismiss what the president of the united states says. joining me is david prooks, columnist for "the new york times." stephanie cutter, cnbc's rick santelli and held lean cooper. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history celebrating it's 70th year. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. and congratulations for

remembering to set your clocks forward an hour. well, who knew that health care could be so complicated. house republicans reveal their version to decidedly mixed reviews. president trump offered qualified support. but the proposal got hit on all sides from republicans who say the bool doesn't go far enough in repealing obamacare and to democrats who are in effect folding their arms and just saying no. the left leaning brookings institution predicts that 1 million people will use coverage under this republican plan. the white house is already casting doubt on the expected cost estimates to be made by the congressional budget office. >> if you are looking to the cbo for accuracy, you're looking in the wrong place. >> those numbers should be coming out tomorrow or the next

day. >> many stay any new plan would be a vast improvement over the current system and the time say they to make any sweeping change is right now. >> this is the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. >> republicans racing the political clock to push through a health care replacement bill have a message. >> republicans unified. >> we are unified. >> we are unified. >> we're really excited about the unified votes. >> but the fight over health care is exposing divisions within the republican party between small government conservative, swing state moderates and a president who ran as a pop you list and is governing as a national list. who key house committees voted to repeal the affordable care act. >> this is just obamacare with a different label. >> it appears to be the largest welfare program ever proposed by republicans in the hits try of our country.

>> and in the senate. >> the bill as written is not going to pass the senate. >> simply would not pass the senate. >> it's dead on arrival. >> conservatives say tax credits are a government give-away and the medicate expansion phased out more quickly. and then there are the republican moderates who want to cap medical funding for medicate. >> in ohio we have this expanded medicaid that is critical to covering people who otherwise would not be getting health care. >> pulling the rug out from these swrul innerable populations is not really the way we want to go. >> we will get -- >> we will -- you can go it through medicate. you can go it through some other way. t i'm just saying very simply, and this has nothing to do with singular, this has to do with humanity. >> mr. trump promised insurance for everybody, telling the washington post there was a philosophy in some circles if

you want pay for it you don't get it. that's not going to happen p us. but conservatives want to scrap obamacare complete pli and they call the current bill obamacare-lite. on the campaign trail, mr. trump promised he would own health care. >> we'll call it donald care. >> but this week mr. trump has preferred to stay behind the scenes. it was vice president mike pence in kentucky on saturday selling health care, not the president. >> for us to seize this opportunity to repeal and replace obamacare once and for all, we need every republican in congress and we're counting on kentucky. >> yesterday afternoon i spoke with the secretary of health and human services whose job it will be to implement the replacement. i started by asking the republican plan, which leaves much of the obamacare archite architecture in place is annage knockment that the health care

system can't be run by the free market alone. >> no, not at all. obviously, this is a transition we're going through, but the important thing is to appreciate that the market as it is right now is failing. obamacare and the aca has failed. you've got premium going up a deductibles where people have an insurance card but no coverage. a third of the counties in this nation who only have one insurer offering coverage. that's not a choice, nor is it responsible to the individuals who are going to be selecting the coverage. so what we need to do is to fix this and move in a direction that puts patients and families and doctors in charge of their health care and not washington, d.c. >> i know there is a lot of talking points that are being used that obamacare is failing. but if you have a system where, yes, premiums went up, but also enrollees, enrollment went up, too, that's not the definition of a failing system. >> well, in fact, the number of individuals who actually got coverage through the exchange, who didn't have coverage before or who weren't eligible for

medicaid before is relatively small. so it turned things upside down completely for three or four or five million individuals. what's happened is that premiums didn't go down as the previous president promised. they lost the coverage they had. they have lost the ability to see the doctors or the provider that they wanted to see. so we need to move in a direction again that respects the principals of accessibility for all, affordability for all, quality and choices for pare patients. >> let's go to the affordability aspect. first of all, can you say for certain that once this bill is passed, nobody, nobody will be worse off financially when it comes to paying for health care? >> well, i'll tell you right now there are a lot of people that are worse off right now wh they're paying for health care d they aren't getting the care they need. again, the premiums are up. deductibles are up. if you are an individual out there making $50,000 and your deductible is $8,000 you may have an insurance card but you

don't have coverage. i hear about patients who come into the office and they recommend something for them and they're not able to get it because the deductible is so high. >> i notice you ducked the aspect of whether you can guarantee that nobody will be worse off financially. >> i firmly believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process we're going through understanding that they will have choices that they can select the kind of coverage that they want for themselves and for their family, not the government forces them to buy. so there is costs that needs to come down and we believe we're going to be able to do that through this system. there is coverage that's going to go up. there are 20 million folks who said to the federal government, i'll pay a penalty or i'll take a waiver. i'm not even going to get coverage in the system we currently have. that may be a system that works for government or insurance, but it doesn't work for people. >> you believe your system is going to add an additional 20 million over the 20 million that have had expanded coverage? you really believe that? >> we believe -- i believe and

the president believes firmly that if you create a system that's accessible for everybody and you provide the financial feasibility for everybody to get coverage, that we have a great opportunity to increase coverage over where we are right now, as p e oezed to where the line is going right now. >> let me go to this financial feasibility issue here. because in west virginia, kiezer family foundation estimates the following, that the $4,000 tax credit that a 60 year old making 30 thousand dollar a year will get under the american health care act is almost $8,000 less than they would get under obamacare. this is a county that voted overwhelmingly for president trump. the point is this. you say it is going to make it more affordable and access to coverage. under this plan in this county in this state, less money and more expensive for these folks. >> that's looking at it in a silo. if you look at it in the way

that the market will allow, then, for individuali ins to ha choices, who knows what that 60-year-old wants. i know that he or she knows what he or she wants and the way you provide a decrease in cost and choices for folks, you make it so the system can be responsive to that individual. that's the way you drive down costs. >> why not means test the tax credits? why do it by age where you may essentially have it where you're incent vising folks not to buy health insurance until they need it? >> i've been working on this so long i've gone through the phase where i had it completely related to income and became convinced by the folks who do this on a day in and day out basis that the most predictive element of an individual's life in terms of what health coverage may cost is not income, it's age. as your age increase, your health care costs increase and

the cost of the coverage increases. so they have pegged it to age. there is an opportunity to put some means testing in there, but that's not the most -- that's not the correlation factor to what it actually costs. age is the thing that correlates best. >> but age is also -- i mean, this is also -- and this is a part of obamacare that didn't work, which is to try to get as many young people on the system. they needed 40% of folks under 35 in the system to keep premiums down. how do you do it? how does it do it here? because this system seems to say to say to folks under 35, don't worry about it. if you want to get health care, we won't make you do it. and that only increases premiums for older folks, does it not? >> we say to that 30, 35-year-old individual, you know that you need health coverage. what we're going to do is provide you a system that allows you an array of choices that you can choice the coverage plan that works best for you and your

family, not be dictated to by the federal government and have to purchase something that you most likely do not need. >> we have two pieces of information we do not have yet and there is vong already going on in congress. how many people will be covered and the second is what's the hit to the deficit. on the coverage issue, we don't know financial issue. on the coverage issue a couple estimates out there. one as high as 15 million fewer people covered. that's what they believe the congressional budget office is going to end up showing when they finally are able to come out with an estimate. 15 million. is that an acceptable number to you? if that's what it really is, do you go back and say, we've got to tweak this? >> i'll tell you the plan we have layed out here will not leave that number of individuals uncovered. i think we'll have folks evaluating this and modeling this come out and say, yes, indeed, this plan will in fact cover more individuals than are currently covered remembering right now the trend line is down

on the number of individualing being covered. it is not increasing and the cbo estimate five, six, seven years ago when this started, they estimated that over 20 million people would have coverage at the end of the ten-year window. it is about half of that right now. so cbo has been very adept at not providing appropriate coverage statistics. >> this plan has some medicaid expansion in it to reform, although you cap it in some respects. this plan has tax credits, another name for a sub citi. it has made some on the right say this is obamacare-lite. u are accepts the architecture but trying to remodel the building. what say you? >> no, absolutely not. in fact, this is a little puzzling because independents and conservatives for decades have said shouldn't we equalize the tax treatment of the purchase of health coverage for

folks who get it through their employers and folks who aren't able to get it through their employer. that's exactly what the tax credits do. what we do is say here is an opportunity for you to use a tax benefit that every -- the 175 million individuals that are getting their coverage from their employer, those folks have a tax benefit. it is the moms and the pops out there. it is the corner grocery. >> should those folks have a tax benefit or should people like you and me have to pay taxes on those benefits? >> if part of our society has a tax benefit for the purchase of a health coverage, then it needs to be fair for everybody, and that's the kind of thing we're looking for. >> you don't want to raise taxes -- that's why you want a tax credit, but you're not going to get that revenue from upper income folks who get generous health care insurance from their company? >> that's another system that's been in place, as i say 175 million folks are getting their

coverage through their employer right now. that's a debate we ought to have. the fact of the matter is the vast majority of the american people support making it equal for individuals who are getting it from their employer and not getting it from their employer. they're out there in the individual and small group market, which is really destroyed by the aca. that's what we're reconstitute. it will drive down cos. >> you accept this bill? you own this bill? president trump accepts this bill? he owns this bill, fair? >> we strongly support the plan, which is this bill, the regulatory opportunity to modify the system and the other pieces of legislation that are required. >> my thanks to tom price, who i spoke to yesterday. last month president trump said nobody new health care could be so complicated. at least one person did.

she was and is a strong advocate of obamacare. she joins me now. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> let me start with a question about the republican plan and whether you accept the idea that this is obamacare-lite. do you believe they kept the architecture of obamacare in place? >> i'm not sure what the goal is. we were rapretty clear in the obama administration what the goal was. we knew we had to change insurance rules to do that. no more pre-existing conditions. people who. >> reporter: were buying their insurance on their own needed help in the marketplace. you could keep kids on their parent's plan. whether you lived in georgia or california you qualified a a low-income adult on t same level. i'm not sure what the goal is here. they have kept some pieces, the pre-existing condition.

they kept some subsidiesubsidie would say in the wrong place to the wrong folks. >> i understand on that. but if this were the plan in place and you and president obama were back in office in four years and you could reimplement obamacare, could this architecture be used? >> i don't think so. because i think this does serious damage to the whole marketplace theory, and companies will flee given the uncertainty and the likelihood this quickly becomes a high risk pool. >> they make the argument that companies are fleeing now because they feel as if it's too expensive to try to insure everybody. we do have this issue in rural america. it is the rural counties that have been the hardest when it comes to the word choice. >> i think that's true, chuck. there is no question this is a young and fragile market. it's been made that way by congress who blocked the risk

sharing. i was interested in the piece in this bill that has a state stability pool, recognizing that you really do need to get stable market. this also was a mononoll listic market for decades before the affordable care act. i was in florida last year. pat geghty, who is the head of elue cross blue shield of florida, florida has not been a welcoming state to this law. pat geraghty ended up 2016 open enrollment with one million members in the florida marketplace and as a company in the black. he said of course this works. we can make it work. we can go forward. >> i want to play something that former president bill clinton said on the campaign trail and get your reaction. >> people are getting killed on this trail are small business people and individuals who make little or too much to get into

this subsidiesubsidies. you have these crazy system. people busting it 60 hours a week wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half. it is the craziest thing in the world. >> obviously republicans took those comments and had a field day with them. does he have a point? >> he does. you don't any longer have a subsidy in the marketplace right now. about 85% of the folks have a subsidy. every talk about premium increases. that isn't what consumers are paying because their subsidies rise with the premiums rising. again, this is fixable. you could have a much more graduated subsidy system. you could have a higher income point. that could easily be done to stabilize the marketplace. but that wasn't what the republican congress wanted to do. they wanted to actually dismantle this bill from the outside. >> one of the pledges that

secretary price made to me in that interview was there will be more people covered under his plan. what do you make of that proclamation? >> what i know right now is that we are at the lowest point of uninsured americans that has ever been recorded. under 10% of americans lack coverage. that's still too many. there is in estimate looking at this bill that with less money going to subsidies, with older americans being able to be charged fi tmes what younger americans are being charged and with no variation based on income that more people will have coverage. there is every estimation that anywhere from two to fifteen million people will lose coverage in this bill. and they are going after medicaid expansion, which is a lot of lower income working adults who will also lose that coverage. >> what do you say to

conservative who is worry that the medicate expansion in obamacare will only make it a permanent entitlement program? >> that's a good point. and i think they have gone -- they have doubled down on medicaid. republicans for a while in the congress have been really fundamentally opposed to the 50-year-old partnership with states and the federal government about medicate, a health safety net. they not only in this bill go after the expanded population, which is actually much cheaper to insure in medicaid than it is in the private market, but they have gone after the traditional medicaid program, disabled individuals, poor kids, pregnant moms, the largest payer for nursing home care and said we're going to cap what the feds pay. those populations don't go away.

i used to ru a medicaid program. we have 1100 people a day turning 65. there are going to be more people in nursing homes. and that cost shifts to the state. it shifts to the local government. but more it shifts to taxpayers. >> all right. i have to leave it there. former hhs secretary. i have a feeling you will be back because this debate is not ending any time soon. coming up the winners and losers under the republican plan. there is a lot of irony in the answer. and the democrats threaten to put out of a congressional investigation. they leave it has become too partisan. how's the new project going?

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welcome back. panelists here, rick santelli, helene cooper and author of this new book, madam president, it is a fantastic book, stephanie cutter and david brooks. welcome all. let's dive into health care politics. rick santelli, you are a free market guy.

where are you on this? >> you know, i think health care is a mess. i think that as a free market person, you can't even have that discussion unless you know what the service costs. i mean, i go to the doctor. i have a daughter that didn't have insurance. she gets a different price than people who have insurance. i think we need more market spirits in competition. i certainly don't see it in this bill. but i do understand that repeal and replace would have been easier if there was a mandate. president trump won. we could argue about the mandate. >> right. >> there is a problem here. if you deal with the reality of politics, i understand phase one and phase two. if we want to fix it the correct way, i just think the politics are impossible to accomplish that. here we sit. >> yeah. what do you think of that, david? we may be in a position that we can't fix this if neither party is going to participate in the other party's bill. >> we just had an election about the working class, election where we learned a lot of people are out of the job market, the

social fabric a fraying and so the less son is to pay attention and help these people. do they do that? no. they have huge tax cuts for the rich. this investment tax credit only goes to people about $250. meanwhile, they are throwing eight, ten, 15 million people off the rolls. and then there is a wing of the party that's saying, no, that's too much. we need to totally decimate. so the republican party has to figure out are we going to help our voters? >> stephanie, it does seem as if they're united on the politics of health care, but they're not united on the policy of what they want. >> that's because they aren't actually, you know -- i hate to, you know, shed truth on thrks but they're not looking to actually fix the policy. they're looking to fill a

campaign promise. i agree that david that trump was on the campaign trail making promises to his voters about lowering costs and increasing coverage. this bill does nothing on either one of those accounts. the fact they are pushing it through in the dark of night, 4:30 a.m. this bill comes out without cbo scoring, which, you know, it is a very inside washington thing, but that is the independent thing to tell you exactly how many people are going to be covered, how many people are going to lose their coverage, what is it is going to cost and how it will impact the deficit. we don't k any of this. >> what i find interesting is they are already trashing what the cbo is going to come up with. they're already positioning -- you can hear exactly what is going to be coming out. >> they expect a bad number. >> they expect a bad number and they are already trying to discredit it. >> it's interesting. and you point this out, rick.

in fairness to its designers, there was no bill that could have united all of the right's desperate factions. the republican party is an orange niz. does not know what it believes in anymore. is that right? >> i think when it comes to this particular issue, first of all, we're watching the sausage get made with a will the of eyes broadcasting to the entire country. we don't actually know. i believe trump is a compromiser. i said from day one. when donald trump gets in there he is going to make an equal number of republicans unhappy as democrats unhappy. i don't think we have gone through the process. as messy as this, i don't like boards. i like everybody to have different eyes. i think what the president allows the markings to do to get it passed will be surprising to both parties. >> i would just say the republicans are at a historical pivot where we used to have this old argument the government versus the state or the market

versus the state. now we're -- the social fabric is decaying. if you want to be pro market, you need the security so they could compete in the market and you have to use a state to give them that security. therefore, if you want to be pro market, you have to be pro government in some form. and republicans are caught in that historical pivot. >> i think it is an imperfect test on the politics because you are dealing with life and death issues. you can't have purity. there needs to be a mix of free market as well as government intervention and government stability. and, so, we went through this, how many years ago? eight years ago? and without republican -- even though we were putting forward republican ideas, republicans refused to participate and it caused factions on our own party. ultimately it poisoned the well. but it is going to take everybody coming together to fix

this problem. >> what is the likelihood of this town doing that this year. >> i'm going to be curious to see whether the white house actually gets behind this in a real why. >> there is a reason why they're not saying it is trumpcare. >> by the way, if you're a negotiator, then it is smart to have some distance. but we'll be curious how much distance does we have. when we come back, governor john kasich on why our political parties need to stop being at ch other's throats and on the edibility of president trump. we'll be right back.

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welcome back. even though governor john kasich won only one primary, ohio last year, we develop add reputation as a republican who was willing to work with democrats and say what was on his mind. friday he had a column arguing that republicans are trying to repeal and re-write the law without democrats. he joins me now. >> it's not sustainable. if you don't get both parties together, nothing will be sustainable. if they pass this just by themselves, we'll be back at this again. >> in three years whenever democrats take over. >> i was there when we created the chip program, the health program. it was done on a bipartisan buy sis. i was there in '97 when we did the budget deal. it was sustainable. but when you jam something through, one party over the other, it is not sustainable. >> i want to get to some of the

substance of this new deal. here's what vice president pence said to a tv station. take a listen. >> i'm very confident that this legislation will give ohio both the resources and the flexibility that your governor, your legislature will need to meet those needs going forward and offer our most vulnerable citizens going forward. >> is he right? >> no, he's not right. medicaid expansion, they the end to churn and move off of that program. then they have to go to an exchange that is broken. the build needs fixed. the kurn system doesn't work. that's why it's possible to get democrats involved. but you don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. if i put you on an exchange for your family and i give you a $4,000 tax credit or $3,000 tax credit, what kind of insurance

are you going to buy for $3,000? >> will you be able to offer that in the state of ohio? >> i what i would tell you is the exchange needs to be fixed because in some places there is only one insurance company. that needs to be fixed. it's not like we love obamacare. it means don't kill medicaid expansion and you've got to fix the exchange, but you have to have a building to subsidize people at lower income levels. here's what we're talking about, if you're drug addicted, if you're mentally ill, you have to consistenty see the doctor. from what i see, the resources are not there. if you are chronically ill, you are going to have to consistent coverage. under this bill you don't have it. now, my hope is it is probably going to pass the house. it is going to get to the senate and that's where i hope they will make improvements and that's where i hope democrats will come in and work with republicans to bring about the

improvement so we could reform the system, yet still not cutoff these people that need this help. >> before we figure out how you incentivise democrats, let me ask you about president trump here. because candidate trump made it seem he was open to many ideas, including expanding medicaid but saying there was going to be insurance for everyone. there wasn't going to be people priced out of the market. he is supporting this bill. now he obviously has spent -- i know he's been lobbying you and you've been lobbying him back and forth. do you think he is firm on this bill, or is he negotiable? >> how can i speak for him? but if i were to guess, no. i think he's very open to compromise. he's told me that. for example, he and i talked about the significant increase in pharmaceutical costs, drug costs in medicate. >> do you think the right is pushing this bill too far? >> look. this bill right now, i'm the governor of the state. i have to take with my people, we have to treat people who have these illnesses and the fact of

the matter is it will put us in a bind. now, that doesn't mean that we can't fix this along the way. but we need to have democrats involved so that what we do is going to be not only significant but will last and then we get to the real problem, chuck, which is the rising costs of health care. and that's where santelli really hit the nail on the head. we need to get to more of a market driven system where we pay for quality, not for quantity in health care. i think the president, by the way, would be flexible. i have no doubt about it, that he would be flexible. he just wants to get something through. >> the idea of getting democrats involved here, the only day president trump expressed what sounded like a conspiracy theory about obamacare and implosion in 2017. take a listen. >> '17 would be a disaster for obamacare. that's the year it was meant to explode because obama won't be

here. that was when it was supposed to be -- get even worse. as bad as it is now, it will get even worse. >> is this a way to incentivise democrats to get involved? >> chuck, we're all big boys and girls in this town. i mean, if you really want to be a leader, look, i believe the political parties are disintegrating before our eyes. i think more and more people see no purpose for political parties. >> do you? >> ll tell yousomething. you talk to people. there are more and more independents because of the squabbling. what is is risk here to democrats? the republicans you need to invite democrats in because we're talking about lives. we're not talking -- all this con selsumption with gains plit. if all you focus on in life is what it's in it for me, you are

a big-time loser. this country better be careful we are not losing the soul of our country because we pay politics. >> would you be a member of the republican party right now? >> i'm not going to be a democrat because the problem is they're top down people. the republicans should be bottom up. right now they are trying to fulfill campaign promises that you have to put people first and we have to drive a system from the bottom up. >> sound like a guy ready to move to the independent wing. >> no. i'm a republican because i'm a conservative. but we have to always examine our beliefs and our philosophies. i would say on this bill you have to be in a position of where you reform the system but you don't leave people behind. you just can't do it because these are people that could be in your family or live right next door to you. we have to care about people. and we can get this done. we could reform it. we could change it. we could save money and have a

better system. i don't have any doubt about it. we could do it and i could prove it to you in my state where we have controlled medicaid and been able to reach out and help so many people who live in the shadows. >> nothing more contagious sometimes than your enthusiasm for policy. thanks for comes on and sharing your views. >> when we come back, the latest political lesson and why you might want to be careful about what you wish for. break through your allergies. introducing flonase sensimist. more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. break through your allergies. new flonase sensimist. ♪ when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. i just snapped a photo and got an estimate in 24 hours. my insurance company definitely doesn't have that...

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year qualifies for $4,380 a year. under the proposed house republican plan they would get a flat credit of $4,000 which means they would have to find another $380 more per year out of their own pockets. let's move over to rural pennsylvania. donald trump won this county with 69% of the vote. with obamacare, the same 60-year-old qualifies for a subsidy of ready for this $11,150. with the new house republican plan, he or she would get just $4,000. it's that same $4,000 tax credit which means they would have to dig out more than $7,000 out of their own pocket to pay for additional coverage. let's look at 81% of the counties that voted for hillary clinton overall. in fact, a 60-year-old making $40,000 a year would see their subsidy decline overall. the same would be true in 93% of the counties carried by president trump. in fact, trump counties would also see bigger subsidy cuts.

this is a point that many democrats have been making. in fact, here's another way to look at it, with just two examples of the new york times upshot, those who stand to gain $2500 in subsidies were split in november, 47-46 clinton over trump. those set to lose $5,000 to $7500 in federal assistance for health care, they voted 60-35, trump over clinton. so in other words, financially, in this plan, it's trump folks that get hurt more than clinton voters. look, president trump was elected largely on to repeal and replace the affordable care act. trump supporters may get the repeal, but higher costs could come as part of that deal. coming up, why the trump administration suddenly thinks administration suddenly thinks the jobs report afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose.

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welcome back. let's turn our attention to just the economy as a whole. there was a pretty decent jobs report this week, but what was amazing was the reaction to the jobs report from the republican side of the aisle. take a listen. >> and you take a look at that jobs report, the jobs report is fiction because all of the people that -- >> you think it's total fiction? there's been improvements from the crash? >> i would say 90%. we all have improvements from crashes. >> i talked to the president prior to this and he said to quote him very clearly. they may have been phony in the past, but it's very real now.

>> sean spicer trying to use humor there. jobs numbers, 235,000 this last february, it was 237,000 in '16 and in 2015 it was 238. rick santelli, thousands of jobs have been lost. we lost 2,000 jobs. is it a mistake sometimes that the president when he was a candidate said too many crazy things like that? >> i think it's a mistake for candidates or once they get elected in office to be dwelling too much in the topic of markets. markets are unforgiving and sometimes they move for reasons we can't possibly foresee, but when it comes to job, jobs, job, and i might have beenhe first person to yell it that way. >> sure. >> what i would say is this, why are jobs important? because it needs to translate into growth. >> right. >> there's a step that's been missing there. i think that the president is wrong. i think we have a consistent, low variance monthly report on jobs. what we need to work on is the notion of why we cover it so

closely. we need enhanced productivity and maybe that's on the regulatory side to be addressed in the future and we need to get more americans to be better consumers and the best way to do that is to put more money in their pockets. >> it struk me in the jobs report, he shouldn't have said this is a jobs report if you want to get an infrastructure plan and you need to create a sense of urgency that you need to do this, don't you say this is enough? don't you make rick's argument? >> first of all, who can explain what donald trump says about anything? i kind of find it that sean spicer was laughing. >> it was funny the way it was phrased. >> as someone who lived through those jobs reports, they were very important when they were shedding jobs a month. i agree with rick that we have to look at other things if we want to increase productivity and we need to make investments in things like infrastructure.

so i'm not sure that president trump thinks that far ahead. he was looking for the easy victory and easy score. >> this gets to the issue of president trump and it goes to this comment he made that obamacare was to implode in 2017. he so easily grabs on to a myth to make a quick point and it backfires on him. >> one of the reasons this country is great and pretty successful is we have institutions that are basically pretty honest and of course, they make mistakes and we have the bureau of labor statistics and they make us smarter and a lot of people out there in the world are saying they're all corrupt. >> you heard t deep state phrase which is real paranoia. >> it's all corruption and it's dishonest and all rigged. if you go visit there in washington, they're not making much money and they're pretty

good people and they're trying to do their job and serve the country and intellectual pollution to say that it's all corrupt and rigged. >> but this is what you get, i think, with a president who has made it almost his mission for the last two months now that he's been in office to turn into an opposition party just about everything that doesn't necessarily conform to his view of the world or agrees with him. it's including the intelligence community and including what we just heard about the cbo and what he said in the past about the bureau of labor statistics. if they're giving him something that he doesn't agree with, he'll say -- >> the state talk feels disruptive, rick. >> think deep state topic in general is destructive. consider this, we have the technology to pretty much hear everything. can you imagine how our holiday dinners would be if every relative's entire conversations from birth to that moment in time was shown to every other relative? we're really playing with dynamite here, and i think that

really transcends some of the stories of the day and when it comes to the bureau of labor statistics or the cbo, what i find is inaccuracy is nonpartisan, okay? because we can have a conversation about accuracy. i think it's the intention behind it that really is the issue. >> all right. i'm going to take a quick pause here. we'll be back in 45 seconds and endgame. what if we hear the obamacare language to repeal and replace another very important part of our american culture. stick around. coming up, "meet the press" dear predictable, there's no other way to say this. it's over. i've found a permanent escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced. our senses awake. our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia

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here to help, not to sell. "meet the press" endgame is brought to you by boeing, always working touild somethg better. >>back n with endgame. we've heard so much tlk this week about replacing obamacare and with the ncaa tournament, nfl draft and baseball's opening day we wondered if we applied repeal and replace language to improving sports in america?

>> first it's time to empower players, to choose their own strategy. you can't have a one size fits all system designed by bure crafts in washington, d.c., that may work for the red skirngs the nationals and the wizards and not the teams beyond the beltway. next, we need to give athletes greater access to home runs, touchdowns and slam dunks. these things shouldn't be out of reach for any player. let players choose the success that's best for them. another key element, teams need the ability to cross state lines. states are the lavatories of democracy. don't limit the colts to indiana or the dodgers to california. give teams the freedom they need, after all the new york giants play in new jersey and they've won four super bowls. the congressional budget office is skeptical, and they also predicted the new england patriots would win the last super bowl and yes, using cbo scoring they did win, but if we apply dynamic scoring or by our own estimates, the atlanta falcons won 59 of the games in

64 minutes. who is the real winner here? if we do nothing, sports will collapse on its own. half of the teams that play lose. think of that, 50% of the teams are already losing, #sad and it's only going to get worse. sports is in a death spiral. we have to do something. it really comes down to a binary choice and this is the best and only chance that we'll get ask one final point, if we don't build a wall in the sports culture it will be flooded with soccer with all of its 0-0 tie. sports is for winners, not losers, right, helene? >> i take great umbrage with that, i completely disagree with your last sentence. >> i do sort of want to wrap up. we've had a big health care show in general. what is this going to look like in a year in do you thi this bill is actually going to pass the united states senate? >> i do not. it's hard to pass a healthcare bill. everybody seems to be against it. the senators are freaking out, and so i think we'll get without trump care we'll be stuck with

obamacare which is in deterioration. >> i think we'll slow down this week when the cbo number comes out. >> i think the bill's going to pass. >> both the house and senate? >> absolutely, but we have no idea what the bill looks like yet. >> you think what we see now is -- >> it will go through changes, in my opinion. >> helene, does it happen this year? >> i don't think it's going to pass, and i also think that we are going to be stuck with obamacare except we're not going to fix what's wrong with it which puts us in a worse position. >> the reason i agree with rick is the difference within the republican party are structural and it's not like there is a magic solution that will please them. >> i was just going to say, there seems to be an ideological divide that can't be fiblgsed. >> i think the freedom caucus as they call themselves now is a nice pull and i think they'll get some of their values and ideas embedded in some changes in this policy. >> do you think democrats will go for this? >> you know what? let's go back to sports, how far

would the green bay packers get if the team playing take the ball and the referee and go home? i certainly would like to think that we can work together to some extent, and i think 2018 elections and some of these -- we're not living in the same -- >> and the districts in contention will get some of these senators to work together. >> it will have to move a long way. >> all i know, another election that will be all about health care. a quick note before we go in this week's podcast, helene and i spent time talking one-on-one about her new book and her other passion those 0-0 ties in soccer and this book "madam president" about liberia's first woman president, the continent of africa's first woman president and it's an amazing book andn amazing story you tell on the podcast. please listen to it. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday it's "meet the press." you can see more endgame in post

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