welcome back to "the point." our special coverage of trump's first 100 days. we have an effort to find out. we have a report on the answer coming up. first, health care, a study claimed today by the head of hhs saying nobody will be financially worse off under the gop health care plan. >> i firmly believe that nobody

will be worse off financially in the process we're going through understanding that they'll have choices that they can select the kind of coverage that they want for themselves and for their family, not the government forcing them to buy. >> okay. and those choices may include being worse off. here is the estimates of how many people could lose their health insurance, best case scenario is 6 million, goes up to 15 million. tomorrow, cbo scores ryan's bill, counting up what it costs. that could rebuke the replin plan and some of the claims. meanwhile, senator cotton, a conservative, saying today, that even passing that bill would actually cost potentially the majority for the republican caucus. >> i'm afraid that if they vote for this bill, they're going to put the house majority at risk next year. >> but the bill's author paul ryan is confident the process he says this whole republican replace plan is actually historic. >> suggesting this is moving fast, going through four committees, going through

regular order, saying we're going to do this for seven years and now come to the point where we're actually on the cusp of keeping our word, i hardly think that is rushing things. the point is this is historic. >> the bill's fiercest republican critic might be rand paul. he doesn't agree at all. he called it obamacare light, and today was bashing ryan for not negotiating. >> i've talked to the president, i think, three times on obamacare and hear from him he's willing to negotiate. wants to hear from paul ryan, it is a binary choice, young man. what is a binary choice mean? his way or the highway? >> what does a binary choice mean? we'll get more than binary. we have howard dean here, washington bureau chief for mother jones david corn, an analyst for us, rick stengel, former managing editor of time and back with us as promised, christina greer, bringing in the political science. governor, doctor, i start with you, in plain english, what is this fight about right now?

>> this fight is about keeping a political promise which they never should have made. i think the person who has been damaged most is paul ryan. paul ryan came into this with a reputation for a policy wonk who really knew a lot about health care. he made the most extraordinary blunder. he has no idea what health insurance is or how it works. he made this -- he criticized the bill for taking -- helping young people at the eense of old people or something like that, or helping the sick at the expense of the healthy, that's how health insurance works. that's how every kind of insurance works. i don't think any of these people have any idea what they're talking about. for tom price to say nobody is going to lose their coverage, it is a lie or a joke. i'm not sure which. >> that's well put. look at breitbart out tonight saying, on this new claim by the hhs secretary, is this the upcoming lie of the year? price promises nobody will be worse off financially. then look at who -- what might be hurt here, trump voters in

county where a 60-year-old is making 30 k, they could lose $6,000 in the money that would go to health care. that's what the map shows. a lot of red there, that's places that trump won, where according to the estimates, from the health care experts, david, trump voters would be hurt. >> i'm puzzle ed by how the republicans are behaving. i understand a good ideological crusade when i see one. i don't mind them. here, what they're doing, they're marching into a thresher. everybody outside of the house republican caucus, even republicans on the hill, on the senate side, can see this. donald trump, of course, can't see it, because he thinks anything he says is great, is indeed great. but between 6 and 15 million, conservative estimates, people who lose their health insurance coverage, people who retain their coverage, a lot of them will have these tremendous decreases in the subsidies they're getting, won't be even subsidies anymore, people kicked off medicaid expansion, kentucky, other places, and i

just don't see how dr. price can say this won't happen. i wish that governor dean, dr. dean, was right and it was a joke. i see it as a cynical lie that i hope, not sure it will, but i hope will cost republicans dearly in the months and years ahead. >> i think this goes back to the fundamental belief that so many republicans feel like their constituents aren't doing well, and it is their fault. donald trump said time and time again, you know, if you're not wealthy, it is because you're not doing something right. so this bill is essentially saying, it is, like, if you can't afford it, maybe do something so you can afford it. we have seen republicans say, get rid of your iphone so you can -- this is also -- they have a certain percentage of their population that is going to love it because trump says it is okay, they're not going to look at the bottom line. they're going to be others who rely on health insurance, who are going to have to go back to their republican representative and say, this binary option is

either absolutely nothing, or borderline bankruptcy or something that we had before. >> to that point, health care is very complex. but this debate is turning out to be pretty simple because they're trying to drastically cut health care. you can be honest about that and say that's a policy position or do what we're seeing, which is just complete fantasy. when bernie sanders says there should be universal college or universal pre-k, a lot of republicans said, we can't afford that, we're not going to pay for it, you don't get that. that was an honest rebuttal to a public program. here we have a massive public program, developed over years and seems a less than honest explanation of what they'll do. >> i hate to be the voice of realism here, but elections have consequences. this was the core thing that this man ran on. this is the -- this is something that republicans have been talking about for 7 or 8 years. he has to deliver on this. i don't believe he's even looked at the bill. >> you don't think the president knows what's in the bill? >> absolutely not. he's going to support the

republican bill no matter what. there are only 23 house members, republican house members, in districts that hillary clinton won. their majority is over 40. they do not have to worry about this. they have to pass this bill and go for re-election and won't affect voters by 2018. >> david and howard and then christina. >> trump doesn't really understand policy. i think we can all agree on th. he did claim during the campaign and since that thi -- his plan would create more choice, lower cost, better coverage, and give everybody a rainbow colored flying unicorn. >> sounds great. >> sounds great. he'll keep on saying that. and rick's, you know, his observation is dead on. the question is does the rubber ever meet the road at some point where enough people are hurt in districts that matter that there is a consequence for such political misconduct. >> howard? >> i hate to agree with tom cotton, but i think he's right.

here's what the difference is. a lot of these -- it is true that if they pass the bill as it is currently written, nobody is going to notice in 2018. but the incredible uncertainty and fear will be palpable, these people will not turn out and without them turning out, we got a shot at a lot more than 23 districts. >> i think also what we keep focusing on is that the republicans, you know, control so many districts, but can't forget that these republicans can also be primaried. yes, they are in very red districts, but like, let's actually leave it up to some hopefully middle of the road republicans who realize that we don't have a sustainable strategy if we do this. so hopefully they'll start getting rid of some of the incumbents and it is not easy, but it is definitely not impossible, especially if you're trying to pass something that is rubbish. >> democrats who won in districts that donald trump won. >> they're feeling the heat. >> yes. it is not an easy exchange. >> even if you look past the midterms in the long run, there

is a question about the bubble. is donald trump running on a bubble about how this is going to work and does reality set in. take women, who are the majority of voters. the republican health care overhaul here according to the ap, a one-year freeze on planned parenthood funding, it bars the use of new federal tax credits to purchase plans that cover abortion. you have losing potentially the medicaid there that you see on the map that would affect women all over the place and particularly women who make less. put all those facts together, you say, in the long run, do women who are open minded to donald trump, he did win white women, et cetera, do they go, wait a minute, this isn't working for me? >> depends how he sells it. we know he's not an intellect and not a policy wonk, but he is a salesman. whether a snake oil salesman or can legitimately sell this horrible bill remains to be seen. if he can go into various communities, he'll get on the road once we stop paying for him

to golf every weekend, but he'll get on the road and try to sell this to women. saying maybe the abortion piece is some small piece, we can talk about that later, let's talk about x, y and z. and unfortunately there are so many people who are blinded by either the hatred for obama and obamacare, hatred for the democrats, hatred for poor people who are undeserving even though they don't really see themselves as those individuals as well or some sort of direct lineage to those individuals. if you sell the bill to them, he's got a great opportunity to help out his party, but keep in mind, he's not a party man. he care about himself, not necessarily republicans. >> voters are not really party people either. the women who voted for him didn't just vote on a single issue. even abortion now, not a single issue anymore. they're going to look at the whole constellation of things. i think there is more opportunity there, because people just culturely don't necessarily want a president like that. >> howard? >> i think we may be missing the

real story. i think trump blurted out the story about six or eight days ago when he said, let the democrats kill this and then we can blame them. i don't think there is any reasonable chance this can pass in the senate. i don't. they got three people lined up to say no. this is a litmus test for democrats. even joe manchin can't vote for this the way it is now. it is going to really screw west virginia. so maybe that's their thing. pass anything you can in the house and then blame the senate and blame the democrats for filibustering it. maybe that's the strategy. >> i want to go to you in closing, i for one was so upset to hear the president say that he would blame the democrats. i thought he would blame the media. and quite frankly i felt left out of this plan to blame someone for things that he didn't achieve. >> he'll get to us, ari, don't worry. i think the thing -- i don't know had how smart or -- he is on this particular point. if they manage to pass

something, with senate republicans, eventually, they end up owning the health care syst system. if what they do does not make things much better. one thing people can tell, they'll be able to tell if things get better or worse for themselves and friends and their family members, on the health care front and no one left to blame. you can't blame democrats if they pass any sort of bill. the best thing for trump might be, whether he realizes it or not, failure on this front. >> snap. that's how we end really good health care segments. snap. i learned a lot. governor and dr. howard dean, christina greer, rick stengel, thank you, all. up next, within this segment, before commercial, a precommercial tease, we have chris hayes on the show. moments ago, here's why, you may have noticed the box in the corner. senator bernie sanders was doing a town hall in southern west virginia, a place where a lot of people went for donald trump.

they talked health care, education, jobs, and many of the concerns of rural americans which we are told often don't make the national discussion. senator sanders weighing in on that republican bill we were just discussing to replace obamacare. >> what really bothers me is that when you look at the republican bill, it should not be seen as a health care bill, because throwing millions of people off of health care is not health care legislation. what it should be seen as is a huge tax break for the wealthiest people in this country. >> you can see this entire special town hall tomorrow 8:00 p.m. eastern. and msnbc anchor chris hayes special all in america, bernie sanders in trump country, i'm excited to watch it myself. a special thank you to a very busy man, anchor chris hayes, who is in welch, west virginia, and agreed to join us here on "the point" and tell us about what just happened. what did you learn?

>> thank you for having me, first of all. it was fascinating. i have to say, this is a county, it is the poorest county in west virginia, lowest like expectancy in the united states of america. it went from 100,000 people in the 1950s to 20,000 people now, very high elevated poverty rate and we talked about all the issues and so fascinating to me was washington politics and the political categories of our national political discussion seem very remote here. what did not seem remote is the degree to which people here use medicaid and health services like a lifeline, the unanimity with which people, trump voters and not trump voters did not want to see that medicaid cost, did not want to see black lung benefits cut, a crucial part of the aca that would be repealed. when you get down it what the conversation would mean in washington on the ground like this, the political categories and campaign rhetoric falls away quite a bit. we had pretty incredibly revealing moments when we got into the brass tacks of that

here. i think it is a little bit of a warning sign for republicans who are debating this bill up in washington, d.c. >> you're there with voters as you say, across the spectrum in west virginia. what are they afraid of, what are they hopeful about? >> look, i mean, i think that in a place like mcdowell county, a message to make america great again has a specific kind of resonance this is a place in decline. and it is in a particularly sharp decline from 20 10, 2015, when the coal industry got hammered. that decline started way back when. the idea that you could open up the coal mines again that people could go back to work, that has a certain kind of appeal. the question is, at a certain point, that's got to play out on the ground here. i think there is all kinds of reasons that people bought the trump rhetoric and some of it has to do with race and some has to do with coal and some has to do with just a job, some has to do with people not liking hillary clinton. but ultimately, i do think that

the political success in this president and the degree to which people are willing to cut him slack is going to depend on whether life here improves or not. >> you've been doing this with bernie sanders who built a movement that a lot of people didn't see coming, you and rachel covered him a lot early, but a lot of the folks as you and i both know didn't take him seriously as a political actor. he almost won the nomination. he continues to have a following. what were you hearing specifically from people who were moved by his message, whatever party they may be in. >> here is the thing about sanders, you got to think of him as -- i think a politician is like a stand-up comedian, they get good at playing certain rooms. and they hone their message to tell certain jokes in certain moments they know -- politicians are like that too. bernie sanders built a career in a very rural state in vermont which has a severe problem with opioid addiction now that faces the challenges of mcdowell

county. bernie sanders, his political ideology aside or the specifics of his appeal, he's someone who has spent three decades developing a vocabulary and way of talking about issues to voters like the ones in mcdowell county that is quite powerful. just very good at it. good at it and he's not as good as talking to other audiences. i think that hurt hi in the primary quite a bit. he is good at talking to the audiences and youcan see the level of cost he has, because of the kind of political formation he had in the state of vermont. >> it is interesting to hear you focus on that. a lot of times politics is covered as what political people in washington say or what they put on tv when they buy ads or come on tv. you're talking about the other side of politics. what do they do out in the grassroots. chris hayehayes, no stranger to being on the road. thank you tonight. now, don't forget, tune in 8:00 p.m. eastern, all in america, bernie sanders in trump

country hosted by chris hayes who you heard from, 8:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. still to come, do you remember this promise? >> i won't take the salary. >> not going to take the salary. donald trump was unequivocal that he would either donate that salary to charity or right back to the treasury. we can tell you legally he's already drawing that paycheck. is he making good on the pledge? we have been digging into it on the point and we have the answer next. various: (shouting) heigh! ho! ( ♪ ) it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america's emissions. energy lives here. all while reducing america's emissions. there's nothing more than my vacation.me so when i need to book a hotel room,

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are you going to take a salary, the president's salary? >> i've never commented on this, but the answer is no. i think i have to by law take $1, so i'll take $1 a year, but it is a -- i don't know what it is. do you know what the salary is? >> $400,000. >> i'm not going to take the salary. i'm not taking it. >> welcome back to the point. that was president trump on "60 minutes" after the election vowing to serve the american people without taking more than at the time he said a dollar a year from his salary. his second federal paycheck is

now just over a week away and we can tell you tonight, despite repeated inquiries from nbc, they refused to offer any proof he's keeping his word. here are the facts and the law. the constitution requires the commander in chief to be paid. and federal law makes that salary $400,000 annually. trump would have gotten his first monthly paycheck for $33,000 or so in february. now, white house spokesperson sarah huckabee sanders told split fact last month that the president, quote, will be giving his salary back to the treasury or donating it to somebody. now, we followed up. we asked a treasury department, the personnel office, and the white house directly. we said, hey, the president -- has the president accepted and deposited the funds for his first paycheck, has he donated the money and if so, where did it go and if not, where and when will it be donated. those are basic questions. they should have basic answers. no reply, though. so if trump is is secretly donating his salary, the white

house wouldn't say. if he's not, then as the saying g goes, the president is writing checks he can't cash. david, what do you think of the white house inability to confirm whether donald trump is living up to this pledge at all? >> i bet everybody on the panel is as shocked as i am that we don't have a clear indication of him giving this money to charity or back to treasury. i mean, that's so unlike donald trump. but then, maybe not. if you think about the trump foundation, and how it didn't do what he said it did, if you think about during the campaign, he promised to raise millions, millions for veterans and wasn't until reporters and people like david at the washington post started asking questions, and looking, did he actually pony up

some of the money. so donald trump has always been a big talker about his generosity. but there have been very few public demonstrations or confirmations of anything of that sort. >> governor dean, this would be easy to do if they wanted to endorse the check back to treasury and get some mileage out of it. he certainly took that big televised victory lap about it. >> yeah, here's the thing about trump is, look, he has a very, very long history of not doing that he said he was going to do. particularly about money. this guy is not a guy who parts with money easily. so i suspect this -- it is once again not true. i think there is one day out of the 50 he's in office he's gotten through without lying about something. i hate to say this, i don't think people care. i'm glad the media is going after this. i think you should hold politicians accountable for their promises. but this is in the big picture of the things that are going on, my guess is the average american

doesn't care. >> john carlo, he made a big deal out of this. the press didn't make a big deal out of it, he can did. he campaigned on it. he interviewed on it. he's taking the money as best we can tell legally and they won't confirm what he's doing with it. >> as stnge as this is for me to say, i agree with governor dean. i don't think people care. in t pantheon of issues, of financial issues, if donald trump has handed to his detractors, this is a nothing burger. i cannot imagine anyone is going to care what the president of the united states is doing or is not doing with his salary. >> as a former aide, is this a nothing burger you can sink your teeth into? >> it is a nothing burger to average voters. as long as the press keeps holding the president's feet to the fire on this and demanding he back up what he says, it is something that might filter to donald trump as he obsesses over what the media is talking about constant constantly. if the media is diligent and doesn't allow him to get away with saying one thing and doing

oog, that's something he has to address head on, he's the one who cares what the media writes about him. >> this is not the only area where he has basically pledged donations to address issues. take the much larger potential issue around emole meants in foreign governments. he said he would do it to the u.s. treasury. that's an area that is a four year open obligation for business that stretches all over the world, and he said that's how he would deal with it. is this inability to do the simple thing with the paycheck concerning for that larger issue? i think even john carlo would admit that's a larger issue. >> we have to be careful about not becoming too blase about donald trump's broken promises and broken vows when it comes to money. you point out there are so many financial conflicts of interest that are -- that are, you know,

overwhelming, reporters, and good government activists trying to keep track of them, just the other day mother jones where i work reported that a chinese-american woman who tries to sell her some china bought a penthouse from trump organization, which he owns, for $1million. he's getting that $15 millio maybe $400,000 will be a small percentage of the possible graft that comes into him, his family aept compa and the company. wherever you sigh the possibility of catching him and saying something false on front, reporters and others have to try to point it out. >> it is not about catching him. it is about just coming through with the goods. this is what he said he would do. we wrote the letter to treasury, several days, reached out to huckabee, spicer. they're quick to claim they're not being contacted. hey, guys, hey, we contacted you. days ago. and i would have gone to air with this in a different way, if

you would have responded. but instead, they seem to delight in making it difficult and not coming through. why not do what he said he was going to do, why not donate the money on time? >> he should donate the money if he pledged he was never going to take it in the first place and he is. it is an even simpler issue. i don't think it is too much to ask for the president of the united states to release his tax returns. that's where all of this started. and that's what the american public is owed. it would be great if the president did that. >> here's where the damage does come in. i don't think this is going to cause donald trump's downfall, he's cemented himself in the views of most voters as somebody who doesn't tell the truth. right now, jobs report is pretty good. didn't have anything to do with it. it is pretty good. things, people want to give him a chance, but the problem is, the notion that donald trump doesn't tell the truth is not going away ever because of all of this kind of stuff. when times turn bad, he doesn't have the kind of reservoir that many presidents will have.

he's not going to be personally likable because people know he doesn't tell the truth. that's where this is going to get him. when other things go bad later on, that's where he pays a price for this. >> i want to give you the last word. >> i think actually it is an issue about greed and perception. as this presidency continues and as the condition of the american people gets worse, when they lose theirealth care, when rich people are getting tax breaks and they're struggling to make ends meet and they look at the president of the united states, self-proclaimed billionaire who loves talking about how successful he is, and he's still drawing $400,000 from the federal government while everybody el everybody's condition is deteriorating, that could be a civil bullet perceptionwise. >> thank you very much. we'll stay on the story as warranted. up next, i'll take a moment to open up my inbox and tackle questions from you all, our viewers. e-mail me at ari@msnbc.com for next week's show. ition. this is one gorgeous truck.

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who ens who asked, president donald trump promised reportedly to revive the coal industry. how many jobs has he brought back. jobs increased by 8,000. that beat expectations by more than 30,000 with u.s. economy adding 235,000 jobs in february, good news all around. our second question, from denise sullivan, on twitter, she said, would like to see an update on emolument suit by crew. a former obama white house ethics czar said for the many folks who have been asking about when trump's reply is due in our case, it is april 21st. stay tuned. we also can update you with the fact that crew has contacted that u.s. attorney's office in new york with other questions about potential lines of investigation relating to trump's business empire. our last question, from nouri,

on twitter, she said, bob dylan is my music hero. in some theories of music history, he's an og. that stands for original gangster, originator of rap. question mark. agree? i've started all this by talking about rap too much. i think bob dylan is an amazing lyricist. in the sense that certain music basically uses lyrics a lot more and uses words to make art, yes, i would give him og status. don't ask me. i think the nobel committee also decided on that. if you have questions, about dylan or not, e-mail me, ari@msnbc.com or tweet at me using #thepoint. we'll get one more cup of coffee before the road and we might answer your question on next week's show. now, up next, the trump administration continuing what some call unprecedented deregulation. rolling back obama era rules that protected consumers and the environment. next, a look at what is going on and why steve bannon said he was going to deconstruct the

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he promised to drain the swamp, no repoew reports that president trump is draining the regulations. what is big business stand to gain? verizon, at&t, they may no longer have to take reasonable measures to protect social security numbers, web browsing history and personal information of their customers. that was a rule. or don't forget wall street, trump repealing barriers to high risk trading, which some say was a contributor to the very financial crisis that everyone wanted to avoid. trump has also basically canceled an obama era rule that was supposed to make it harder for people with mental illnesses to buy firearms. something that a lot of people thought was a good regulatory idea. a lot of other regulations on the chopping block, overall, this is some say the biggest

deregulatory splurge in american history on a per capita basis. we're a couple of months in. it is also a part of steve bannon's agenda. he said he wants to take on the, quote, administrative state. joining me now, jared bernstein, former adviser to vice president biden, former senator byron dorgan, policy adviser at air and fox. i want to start with you. for folks with a long memory, your voice has proven to be correct on matters that many people would wish we didn't have to live through. any student of regulatory reform remembers your floor speech open the senate floor before the rules to make it easier for the big banks to trade in glass/steagall and you said it could lead to gambling and financial crisis and it did. for our viewers who don't necessarily follow every in and out of this, the regulatory push has not gotten as much attention

with all the other trump noise. what do you see as the important piece to focus on? >> it is interesting. almost all of it is important. most of this will be done in the shadows. much of it deals with health and safety of the american people, safe drinking water, clean air, safe workplaces, automobile, efficiency standards, safety standards for vehicles. all of these things are at risk. i'm the first to agree that there are times that there are rules and regulations that make no sense. and so let's go after them. i went after the rules at the fcc tried to do with respect to media ownership that would have allowed much more concentration. i was fighting those rules. in these cases, with this administration, and this crowd and congress, they want to -- particularly the people that run the new agencies now, they want to take apart rules that we have fought to enact for a long period. the issue of flaring on oil

wells. natural gas and methane. there is a rule that prevents that. it comes in full effect in 2026. the house has just decided that they're going to dump that, disconnue . we need to be very vigilant about what this administration is trying to do to get rid of rules and regulations. >> these are things that president trump is not tweeting about. he's not trying to put in the headlines. i want to give special credit to the new york times report. they went in for the federal registrar and counted it all. found 90 regulations, delayed, suspended or reversed. whether or not president trump knows what is going on, the people are getting in there and breaking -- make sure to break down the rules so they're not functioning. >> that's very true. i notice that the gun rule about people with disabilities loosening that regulation so they can purchase firearms, that was very conspicuously not aired

anywhere. they didn't have the cameras out for that. senator dorgan is not only, of course, right about everything he's saying, but reminding me how much we miss his voice and in this debate as a legislator because what you just heard from him was, i think, a good accounting that regulations have costs and that's all you hear from trump and bannon, but they also have critical benefits. and you'll hear nothing about that. let me speak about one in particular, every single economic cycle that is every economic expansion in the last say, 20, 30 years, has ended a particular way, it ended by some kind of underpricing risk credit bubble exploding and taking down the rest of the economy with it. now, right now, as you said on your show a couple of times in the last hour, we actually have a business cycle recovering expansion that is starting to really reach some people. now, trump will take credit for that, but he inherited it. a great way to blow that up is

to get rid of the financial market oversight that was introduced in the obama era so that you can once again have an underpriced risk bubble inflate, explode, and take down the rest of the economy with it. >> to that point i wond if you could speak about some of the jargon. people get real mixed up when we hear about administrative state, it is like deep state. i think it conjures something that sounds menacing. take a listen, i'll read steve bannon talking about this. he said the way the progressive left runs is if they can't get it passed, they're just going to put in some sort of regulation in agency. that needs to be deconstructed and that's why this regulatory thing is so important. his argument there does have some merit, right, there are people who study this who say sometimes the agencies are running amok or doing things without credit support. can you give us the difference

between the abuse of that administrative power and the more proper functioning of it, that protects consumers and such? >> i try to do a little bit of that in the front. the federal communications commission some years ago said, you know what, let's allow in one big city in our country one entity to own three television stations, eight radio stations, the dominant newspaper, and the cable company. and that would be just fine. that's abusive. that's why i went after that and tried to defeat it and got it done. but this issue that donald trump campaigned on saying, we want to repeal dodd frank, well, you know, if you were around washington in 2008, 2009, dodd frank, while not perfect, was essential. i said didn't go far enough. we needed to ban what are called naked credit default swaps and so on. but to have this administration come in to say we need to take apart that which we put in place after 2009, that's absurd and dangerous for the country.

>> you mentioned naked credit default swap, not as exciting as they sound. not the kind of thing you want to see if you're worried about unnecessary risk in the markets. the two of you appreciate that kind of joke. i'll go to you, jared, one more comment from the senator. briefly, while i have you, your view on a letter grade on how the democratic congress is doing and standing up to trump. you sometimes have been more aggressive than your colleagues. >> too early to tell. it is hard. democrats are in the minority and both the house and the senate. but in the senate, especially, there are 48 senators on the democratic side, they have some very significant strength. i think we'll know more in the next couple of months about the fight they're willing to make. >> your final comment, make a derivatives joke if you want. >> we have that, i'll let that ride. look, one of the parts they would like to take down of dodd frank that trump bannon republicans is the consumer financial protection bureau. that has already in its short

life given out about $12 billion to people who have been ripped off by the credit sector. so, you know, that's a direct hit on the very people whom these regulations protect. it is a really clear example of what you sacrifice when you go down this path. >> super important, we're out of time. if you gentlemen would be willing, i'd love to do another deregulation deep dive with you on a future episode of the point. >> sure. >> great. jared bernstein, important stuff, i appreciate it. up next, president trump with that revised immigration order that takes effect this coming thursday, sparking opposition and lawsuits. we'll break that down. and, notorious, we're talking about, of course, notorious b.i.g., when we come back, we'll show you how some politicians are honoring brooklyn's finest. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one.

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if i was a terrorist, why would you let me get on the plane to come right back? and detain me here? you should detain me there before i even got on the plane. which means to show me it is not about being a terrorist, you're attacking me because i'm muslim. >> that was mu huhammad ali, jra u.s. citizen, detained for a second time by airport security officials friday. and forced to undergo extra scrutiny. he says this is the result of the president's bias towards muslims in his two travel bans. president trump issued a revised immigration order that goes into effect this thursday. critics say it is still discriminatory. here to break it down for us, immigration attorney david leopold and center for

constitutional rights director, executive director vince warren. the new order is is somewhat different. is it different enough? >> no, it is not. what they did is they dropped one of the countries, iraq, they stopped the complete ban on syrian refugees, but the contours of it are exactly the same. steve miller, steven miller, the senior policy adviser for the president pointed out, roughly the policy of banning muslims is still the same. you know, so really effectively what this is is a ban on muslims. and this is -- defies what is in the immigration law, defieses what is in the constitution. our country is better than this, ari. >> and you mentioned what is similar and, of course, the -- one of the briefs here filed in the new challenge is basically site cites steven miller even he says it is the same. listen to bob ferguson, maybe

the first among equal in the trump resistance because he wouldn't order blocking the original ban and he's gone to court arguing that should block the second ban. here he is. >> the bottom line is that two key provisions that we challenge originally, the ban on the six nations and the refugee ban, those are virtually unchanged. the language is virtually identical. so our view is as you mentioned at the outset, we have a temporary restraining order in place, the language hasn't changed so therefore it still applies. >> that's a logical argument. i used to do law with you, full disclosure, i know you to be an accurate and careful lawyer, it is a pretty bold one. i don't expect necessarily that the court to block the in ban based on his legal strategy. what do you think? >> i think there are -- it is true that those are very similar, very similar facts with respect to those two arguments. but there are some changes that i think the courts have to take into -- >> to acknowledge. >> yeah. i will say it is an interesting question because i think there are two changes that undermine

the government's original argument, making their justifications less strong. one of them is even removing iraq. the idea that if you have seven countries that they're telling you, when they're pushing this ban through, these are the most dangerous countries in the world and say, well, one of them is not so dangerous now, it undercuts the original plan. >> it feels a little arbitrary. >> certainly. it is completely political. i think that's what the record is showing, it has nothing to do with safety. >> what do you mean by political? >> there was such pushback from veterans, from people in iraq, from everyone talking about how the men and women in iraq working with the american government in that context who want to come here to the united states and it was a political disaster for the obama -- the trump administration. and the other thing that i would say is that even the idea of allowing visa holders as of the time that the executive order goes into effect allowing them to come into the country, that's a good thing, it does undercut their argument that there is

such terrible vetting prior to the trump administration coming in, and essentially concedes the vetting isn't that bad. >> david, i've spoken to a lot of lawyers critical of this ban this week, but they concede that the administration has bolstered its legal case. certainly knocked out potential plaintfs and addressing green cards, removed some of the objectionable language on religion that made it vulnerable, is this a preference for christians? they have drawn that back. and that leaves a larger argument over intent, not just what the thing says, but where it comes from. how do lawyers in your view draw a line from the president's statements during the campaign, which very explicitly said he wanted to discriminate based on religion and what the trump white house argument is now, hey, we're allowed to change our minds, we're not first politician that said certain stuff on the campaign trail, and changed tune, and give us credit for that. >> well, take a look at the text of the statute. they're basing their case on

what we call ina section 212 f which gives the executive the president the authority to suspend the entry of certain aliens. that's the term used in the statute. certain noncitizens. but if you read it, ari, the way the administration is arguing it should be read, what it does is it completely eviscerates the rest of the law. and our law is very clear about how we should be excluding people who are terror threats. and that law has been in place and it has been put in place by congress. so essentially the president's reading of the law, it followed, would allow the president to pretty much change the immigration law at his will, which is clearly not the intent of congress and -- >> a big reach. david, we're out of time, vince, thank you. i hope you'll join us next sunday, we have a special two hour special on the supreme

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thank you for watching "the point" tonight. we have a little couple of updates for you. two to be exact.

number one, for our next show, you can find me on social media and send in your questions at #thepoint or at ari melber. and, next sunday, we have a two-hour special on the coming supreme court battle. who will take justice scalia's tie breaking seat? that's next sunday, 5:00 p.m. eastern on "the point." stay tuned. this sunday, repeal, replace and revolt. the republican health care plan. >> this is the closest we will ever get. >> supported by president trump. >> we must act now to save americans from the imploding obamacare disaster. >> but attacked on one side by conservatives. >> this is just obamacare with a different label. >> on other side, by republican moderates. >> pulling the rug out from these vulnerable populations is not really the direction we want to go. >> and on all sides by democrats. >> robin hood in reverse. >> this morning i'll talk to hhs secretary tom price who oversees