staying there. windchill single digits into the teens. right through thursday. so, it's going to be cold, it's going to be snowy. and it's going to be windy. they've already cancelled, announced they're going to suspend the elevated subway lines here in new york. >> this is for you my friend. you're much better than i am. i'm the stiffest guy in the world. >> is that a bad thing? >> i don't know. it's gotten me this far. the white house about to respond to the cbo report any minute. mtp days starts right now. if it's monday, the new health care bill numbers are out. with good news for the deficit and bad news for 24 million americans. the score, the capitol hill number crunchers are breaking downhe cost of the republicans health care plan. are republicans seeing red.

>> it's a disaster. and people understand that it's failed. and it's imploding. plus the air quote defense. the white house defends the president's wiretapping claims. >> if you look at the president's tweet, he said clearly, quote, wiretapping, end quotes. and east meets west palm beach. after the heated rhetoric, will trump's mar-a-lago meeting with china's leader cool tension expectation this is mtp daily and it starts right now. good evening, i'm katy tur in new york for chuck todd. we have two major developments right now. the battle to repeal and replace obamacare, and the credibility crisis facing this white house which took a dramatic turn today. moments ago, the nonpartisan congressional budget office released it's highly anticipated analysis of the white house

backed health care plan to repeal and replace obamacare. this is an analysis that could make or break gop support for this plan. and here are the highlights. according to to the cbo, the number of uninsured people would skyrocket by 24 million people over ten years. with most of that spike coming by 208. that sfig significantly higher than other estimates from left-leaning groups like the brookings institute. it's projected to save money for the government to the tune of $337 billion over ten years. deductibles and out of pocket costs would increase and medicaid will cover 14 million fewer people by 2026. the bottom line is that critics of this bill are going to have a lot of ammunition here because of the drastic effects on the number of uninsured. we're expecting to hear from the white house shortly. democrats will be holding a press conference soon to react to these headlines and reaction

on capitol hill is going to pour in by the hour. so keep it here. and the white house is responding right now. take a listen. >> mul vany wanted to make sure that they had an opportunity to look at the top lines and get to you. we'll obviously have more tomorrow as we go forward. with that, we turn it over to dr. tom price, the secretary of health and human services. >> thanks sean. thank you so much. it was good cabinet meeting that we had during that cabinet meeting. the cbo report came out. i think it's important that we ask the question, compared to what? and the fact of the matter is the that this is about real people. it's about real people's lives. it's about the coverage, the health coverage they have, but the health care that they receive. and the fact of the matter is that right now, current law, we've got individuals who have health coverage, but no health care. and it's incredibly important to appreciate that. in fact the coverage numbers are in fact going down if obamacare, if the aca went away, the fact of the matter is there would be 20 million who would not have coverage. the cbo looked at a portion of our plan, but not the entire

plan. in fact the entire plan includes the regulatory apparatus that we've got the ability to use at health and human services that the previous administration used significantly, but we to want use it to make certain that patients are helped and that costs are decreased. they also ignored completely the other legislative activities that we'll be putting into place to make certain we have an insurance market that actually works. so we disagree strenuously with the report that was put out. twhaebl our plan will cover more individuals at a lower cost and give them the choices that they want for the coverage that they want for themselves and for their family, not that the government forces them to buy. i'm pleased to be joined as well by the omb director, mr. mulvan yes. >> we haven't had a chance to read the entire report yet. we are seei to want line summaries th y folks have seen. one of the parts i've en, the deal's beyond coverage. and that deals with premium costs. one of the things we said that is that we believes for some

reasons that have been basic ten nanlts of republicans conservative thought far long time that competition lower cost. that's exactly right. the numbers i've seen in the first glance is that the cbo says that premiums will go down by at least 10% with the plan. so it just confirms a lot of thijs tom and i have been talking about publicly which is we do they these ideas of taking market competition, putting it back into health care, getting government out of the way will do what it does in health care what it does with everything else. every place and costs go down. and i think if you look for something the cbo may have gotten right. it's that the premiums are going to come down in cost. with that, a couple questions. >> secretary price, you said this is about people served -- >> cbo report says 14 million people will end up without insurance next year. how does that actually help more patients? >> well the fact of the matter is, if you look at that, it's virtually impossible to have that number occur.

we're not certain again we haven't had been able to read the report. >> reporter: not credible enough? >> look at the numbers. there are eight, nine million people on the exchange currently. i'm not sure how they're going to get to 14 million people uninsured if that's what they say with only 8 million people on the exchange. individuals ill guess thathey sume are medicaid not paying anything in the system who are going to n take the medicaid policy just because the mandate ended or something happened. it just not believable is what we would suggest. and we'll look at the numbers and see. >> mr. secretary, without that mandate to buy coverage, would you not conceive that millions of people will not have insurance under this plan? >> no. i wouldn't concede that at all. >> not saying millions of people -- >> because the fact of the matter is, they're going to be able to buy a coverage policy that they want for themselves and for their family. they're going to have the kind of choices that they want. you think about the numbers that the top line, just the top line on cbo report today.

it basically says, that we'll be right back at pre-obamacare status with 40 million people uninsured in that country. we believe that the plan we're putting in place will eninsure more individuals that are currently are ensured. we think that cbo simply has it wrong. >> one of the things tom just said, it bears repeating. the cbo score, assumes that if you are on medicaid today, that you choose to get off medicaid after the mandate goes away. does that make sense to anybody? you're on a free program -- because the plan doesn't get rid of medicaid expansion. what the cbo told you if you're on medicaid, that the day the mandate goes away, you're going to voluntarily get off medicaid. tell me if anybody thinks that makes see. >> you scale down -- >> we do -- but that's not -- e cbois saying it happens on day one which is just absurd.

>> of the insurance marketplace. do you agree with that aspect of cbo? >> no -- >> because of age adjustment. >> we don't. and i would point once again to the fact that apparently what cbo looked at was simply the bill that's pending before congress. it didn't look at the regulatory reforms that they were going to put into place. look at the state innovation grants. it didn't look at the flexibility we're going to allow the states because that's what the states are demanding and asking for. so that they can care for their most vulnerable population and didn't look at all of the pieces of legislation that are also pending out there that we call on our friends on the other side of the aisle to help us reform the insurance markets so we can provide for greater choices. >> we don't have all of these questions about just oh wait, we have more stuff coming. why not do it all at once that we understand the full package. >> it's being rolled out all at

once. the fact of the matter is we're working on the regulations right now. in fact, we've had a proposed rule that's been out there to narrow the window so that insurers are able to stay in markets that they're having to pull out. remember one-third of the counties in this country, one-third in the county, over #,000 counties only have one insurer offering kovrng on the chang exchanges. five states only have one inrer offering coverage on the exchanges. you tell me that that's what the plan was. the fact is those folks have no choice whatsoever. they are -- the federal government has destined them to only have one opportunity to purchase coverage. and if that's not what they want, tough luck. that's not our plan. our plan is to allow individuals the opportunity to purchase that kind of coverage they want for themselves and their family in a market that allows them an array of choices so it suits them. not what part government tells them. >> we will look into the report

beyond the top lines and we'll have further comment tomorrow and talk with our colleagues about why we believe the plan, the entire plan that we have recommended moving forward and adopting is one that will provide greater opportunity for folks to purchase the kind of coverage that they want and put patients and families and doctors in charge of health care and not the federal government. >> thank you y'all. stay warm. >> health and human services secretary tom price right there saying that he disagrees strenuously with the cbo's rating of the republican and white house-backed health care bill. they are trying to differentiate between the quality of care and the coverage that people are getting right now. saying that they do not believe as the cbo is stating that there will be as many people who will lose their health care. cbo saying that as many as 24 million americans by 2026 will

not have health care. millions more i should say. let's go to our dynamic duo of reporter reporters, chris jansing and kasie hunt on capitol hill. both were listening in and chris i want to start with you. that is about the fastest i have ever seen the white house react to anything. >> reporter: yeah, right after the number went out, i went upstairs and they were huddled. we knew that something was going to come out. look, it was clear over the las week actually and certainly intensively over the weekend, they knew these numbers were going to be bad. i'm not sure they anticipated that they would be this bad. if you go on to websites, already the headlines and newspapers across the country on websites across the country, 24 million people will lose their health care over the next decade. that's why over the weekend, you saw the full court press by so many members of this administration, including mike pence, going to kentucky, really trying to make the case that the cbo believed and many of the

same people had positive things to say about the cbo in the past. that was just one part of their strategy. we're going to see it going forward. the other you mentioned that it really isn't an accurate reflection of the people who can get health care. one of the things they've argued is it doesn't matter if you have a health care card if your doctor isn't part of a plan or you don't have money for the deductible. then you also just heard this mention. they say, well this is a number based on part one. this is a three-part plan. the problem for them with that argument and you're going to hear the pushback from democrats and we'll hear from kasie in a moment is that they don't have any number. they have never been able to give a number about either what this is going to cost or the nuer of people this is going to affect. one more thing, we did hear prior to this number coming out from president trump today and he seemed to be sort of tempering expectations, saying things like, you know, it may take a year oar two for people to see some of the savings, some

of the cost benefits of this. he said, there's going to be more competition and less regulation, but that doesn't happen overnight. it takes time. he finds himself in an incredibly difficult situation with these numbers. this has been a main campaign theme as well as the art of the deal, he's the one who can make something very difficult, some very difficult negotiation happen which may be why earlier today he called all of this a big fat beautiful negotiation. it's going to be a rough negotiation as these numbers come out and we start to see the democrats coming out and pushing their point of view. >> he can make deals that nobody else can. kasie, let's get into the numbers a little bit more. we weren't able to explain them before the white house came out. this plan according to to the cbo will reduce the deficit by $337 billion. on the face that looks like quite a good thing, but tell me, how do they get to that number? >> well, that's the tricky part

here, katy. and look, this is really a fundamentally a dins of priorities. and so you're seeing them on your screen there. 24 million more uninsured people by 2026, yes, the deficit would go down $337 billion, but when you break down where that's coming from, basically they're saving $1.2 trillion here by cutting medicaid by $880 billion and combining that with cults to those subsidies that people who fall into that gap, they don't -- they're not poor enough to qualify for medicaid. they make too much money to afford health insurance. the government currely helps them out to the tune of about $673 billion over the next ten years. you take those out, but then you add in and this costs the government money, tax cuts. as well as the tax credits that are designed to replace those subsidies. the plan says we are going to

give you a tax credit based on your anyone. those tax cuts plus the cost of tax credits cost the government about $49 trillion. that's how you end up with. $37 billion mark. look, as we're moving forward in this debate, i think one important distinction and you're hearing it, the statements we're getting from speaker ryan, from the chairman of the two committees that wrote this bill in the house. they're using words like this analysis confirms what we've already is a id. they want to expand access. and okay, this analysis confirms that's what we've said.

not to say they're always right or the analysis always come out right. i'm just pointing out that there is a difference in approach here from the house republicans who, you know, frankly have i'd logically always been more where this bill is. and the trump administration. and how, you know, they have made different types of promises than republicans typically have. so, the difficult position for this bill going forward, it's possible that this analysis will ultimately help quiet some of the loud conservative voices in the house that have been giving speaker ryan so much heartburn, but the reality is these medicaid numbers, pretty stark, $88 billion in cut naps many millions of people uninsured. that's going to really i think -- and y've heard, there's been reporting from the nate susan colli saying

look, we're going to see this differently on the senate side. these are, yes, potentially republican senators, but they represent states in some cases that have expanded medicaid. that have a lot of people who are relying on that. governors, maybe even republican governors who say i don't to want pay for this. and that is where the rubber meets the road, katy. >> thank you, chris jansing, kasie hunt on capitol hill. more breaking news on the cbo right after this. we're going to break downtown numbers. the pros and cons. whether or not this bill can survive. and we're expecting to hear from the democrats later this hour. stay with us. ♪ why do so many businesses rely on the u.s. postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. ♪ that's why we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ here, there, everywhere.

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we're back with that breaking news. the political fallout from the cbo report on the republican health care plan. we're waiting for democrats to respond, minority leaders nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are going to address reporters shortly. you see that live shot right there. first the panel, republican strategist, jonathan alter, come um nis for the daily beast and msnbc political analyst and beth fu we, senior editor. first question is first. is this bill going to survive, susan? >> not in it's current form. i think they will get to some form of negotiation, but there's no way they're going to send this bill to the senate for a vote. it's just not going to get done. >> and mulvany was saying basically this is not the correct number that the cbo has given out because this is not going to be the ultimate bill. but this is -- but they always do that. they always rate the bill as it stands, as it's going through congress. >> what's important about today, katy, the referee is ruling is

standing. so there was a sense over the weekend that they were going to work the ref. attack the ref. and say that the cbo whose head was appointed by the republicans, was somehow, you know, corrupt or rigging it or whatever their adjective of the day was. it's been accepted. paul ryan has said that the cbo favors the bill. briefing that you just saw, they were kind of all over the map. but their spin was very inconsistent. we agreeit this par of cbo, but not that partf cbo. essentially lost the ability to attack the ref. and that's very consequential. that means that this 24 million people losing their insurance figure is going to sink in and it's going to be around donald trump's neck from here on out. >> what does that say that they didn't immediately go out and attack the reves. does that say the white house was concerned about this rate kpg. >> because there were a couple of things that cut in republican's favor. they did say that the deficit is going to be reduced by 337 billion. not inconsequential. the cost of premiums is going to

go down. that could be enough. those two items alone, that could be enough to quiet down the conservative house members who've been very unhappy with the bill thus far, but as these guys are saying, this is going to take it nowhere in the senate. that 24 million people losing their coverage is not going to go over and republican -- states with republican senators who know that the medicaid has been expanded in their state and many, many other constituents have coverage now and don't to want lose it. >> whose premiums are going down though? >> great question. it's going to be people who are buying, you know, health insurance on these magical plans that are suddenly going to afford lots of choice and competition and all the things that price and mul vany out there were saying. the rest of the people are basically out of luck. >> but there is a lot of things, there's a lot of things similar to the affordable care act when it was enacted, that there was a leap of faith that was required. we had to see it happen. the same thing is true with this, but the republicans don't want to admit that part. if they would just say, to the public, we are going to make

this better. they can't refeel because we know they don't have 60 votes in the senate. we're going to take the affordable care act. we are going to delive these three things to you, and people say how, free market, and such, but we're going to provide more affordable care act that you can actually use at lower rates. that should be their message, and stop cutting through all of these numbers and listening to all of this what i call washington math. people don't have a lot of time to process that great report that kasie gave prior to the break. they need to know, what am i going to get? and the democrats have to prove that they are going to worse off than they are today. >> don't the democrats have that? i mean -- >> no, they don't. >> that's not only -- >> unhappy with obamacare as it is. >> you're talking politically. if you're looking at the merits of it, and we hope that the facts and the analysis of it on the merits, the way the cbo have done it have some relevance to the debate. you look at it that way. the spin really is not working. facts are stubborn things.

so when secretary price said that, for instance, you know, nobody's going to be thrown off medicaid, that's just simply not true. if you block grant medicaid by definition, there won't be enough money in the states to help out -- >> it's not voluntarily leaving medicaid, it is being forced off of it. >> there's not enough money for medicaid. so, and politically relevant point, katy, is that these medicaid recipients and a lot of the other people on obamacare are in the democrats exclusively, in fact, more of them are trump voters. so this is a political disaster for trump if this thing actually goes through. it's almost a pick your poison thing. is it better to have the political defeat of it being killed or what might be worse is if it went through and these people got thrown off their insurance. >> and here's the other thing, the funding mechanism does not work. the people voluntarily opt out are the healthy people. and so suddenly, their money, which would pay for them to basically not access care

publicly for year disappears, the people who need it. >> the way basic insurance works. you all buy car insurance, and those that get into accident are funded by those who do not get in accidents. >> in effect, healthy people can opt out. >> we're going to come back and talk about this a lot more. don't worry. susan, jonathan, beth, stay with us. reaction from the democrats the cbo's analysis within the hour. stay with us. you're watching mtp daily. what if technology gave us the power to turn this enemy into an ally? microsoft and its partners are using smart traps to capture mosquitoes and sequence their dna to fight disease. there are over 100 million pieces of dna in every sample. with the microsoft cloud, we can analyze the data faster than ever before. if we can detect new viruses before they spread, we may someday prevent outbreaks before they begin.

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welcome back. we are still awaiting reaction to the cbo's analysis from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. in the meantime, i'm joined again by my panel. susan, jonathan, and beth. guys, we left off just a moment ago with beth talking about how the healthy people would not be there to fund the sick people. >> yeah, that's the whole way that obamacare was set up. you need the mandate that people hate. that gets everybody into the system. healthy, sick, everyone. therefore, the sick people are held up, bolstered by the contributions of the healthy people into the system. if the mandates taken away, which this program would, the gop program would, what is the incentive for them to be there? and if they take their money out of the pool to help the sick people, the money runs out. >> they say they're not part of the type of obamacare plan.

that they would have to by mandate be part and they could get major medical for example. they don't have to -- they could pick and choose what type of package they want because with the deregulation on the insurance industry, they'll be able to cross state lines, they'll have more options and that -- >> the competition. >> but they would also be able to offer -- you don't have to go in for what they call a cad rack plan. you could go in for a much smaller, more -- yes, higher deductible. at least tough if you're young. >> this house bill has no provision to do that. and trump talked about how he would cover, quote, cover everybody. well, you're going to have -- according to to the cbo, 24 million fewer people covered. so tom price can spin that as much as he wants, i thought it was some of the least effective spin i've seen in along tim so far. they're going to have to bring up their game in the spin department to convince people that this is going to ensure

more and cover more. >> especially frankly because that press conference did not offer enough -- >> well they didn't read it first of all. they hadn't quite finished it, they were just looking at the top line. and best case scenario, take what beth and kasie were saying, the republicans in the house see this as a more conservative plan. they sign on to it because of what it does to the deficit. if they do that, and they're able to push this bill into the senate, and the senate say someone like rand paul says okay fine, i think this is conservative enough for me. does it still get passed or in phase three, does it still need democratic support? and how in the world would they get democratic support with the way it stands right now? >> i love all of these phase one, phase two, phase three, it's very confusing. i don't see this going anywhere in the senate. it's not just rand paul, tom cotton, conservative republican senator from arkansas has so many people on medicaid, hey no, slow down, wait, we really need to look this through and get it right. susan collins from maine.

cory gardner from colorado. these are influential moderates who hold the keys here. we're waiting for democrats to speak and it's fine for them, but they don't hold the key here. the key is the moderate republicans. >> 52-48, in the house there's a little more wiggle room with votes, not a lot, but a little bit. we could name three senators off the bat who won't go there. >> 51 votes which as you say is very tough right now in the senate, for a lot of the bill, they need 60 volts because under senate rules, only portions of obamacare can be repealed with 51 votes. so they are -- that's doa, that's not going to happen. >> and they get tom cotton on the phonas quickly as you can. we'll take it over to pelosi and schumer -- just kidding. we'd love to have tom cotton if he was around and listen to this. at what point, my -- at what point is when does donald trump cut and run from this? >> when he starts to feel too much heat from the outside. political advisors or the press starts turning against him.

>> the press starts turning against him. >> well, the press coverage on what -- i shouldn't say turn against him, you're right, on the issue when it really starts turning that it looks ugly that they get all the stories of people who are afraid that they under obamacare, they had this and now they're not going to, that's what -- that's the kind of pressure that he gets. >> he seems himself as a deal maker. >> he wants to hang in there so he can cut the mother of all deals and bring this thing back from the dead. and he's going to take some time to do that. and be patient about it, but it's very instructive that a guy who puts his name on everything, buildings he doesn't own steaks that don't taste good, universities that are frauds, he won't put his name on the bill. and when people try -- >> pending lawsuit we should say, the university -- >> settled. >> they settle. >> basically admitted it was fraudulent. so, you know -- >> there was a deposit where they wouldn't admit guilt. >> okay. >> just to be technical.

just to be technical. >> here's the funny thing -- >> just to quickly finish this, so they can try as much as they want, dold trump can try as much as he wants to run away from this, but he's created a situation where the republican created a situation where it's a tar baby for him. he is stuck to this bill in one form or the other. >> and here's another thing, katy. a guy who loves the adulation, you covered him so much doing that, since he's been president, he's done a few events. couple coming up this week in tennessee and kentucky, but it's all these -- he's shrouded into a bubble of only people who support him. he's not exposed himself to people who have concerns about this. the second that he goes into a place where people are upset, scared, worried, not that throng of adoring crowds he's used to, he's going to get very scared. >> he cannot hear a boo. i'll tell ewe quick story. values voter back in 2015, and got booed when he was trashing marco rubio at the time. and at the time people really

liked marco rubio. as he was leaving, my alex and i chased him down the corridor to ask him what he thought of the boos, and he couldn't handle it. he looked and said they were boos for you. you are right he populates these rallies with people who are going to lift him up. the question is, is he still going to go to kentucky and go out on a limb for this bill and if a lot of folks in the republican party come out and say this is not okay and if the democrats pile on and say this is not okay. if people in the country say this is not okay. if the poll numbers showha a majority of americans, even in the republican party, those in the republican party say they are worried about this. we are going to talk about this more, i promise. we have to take a quick break. stay with us. more mtp daily is right after this. ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn't it time to let the real you shine through?

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we are back. >> this is, okay, so they're taking 24 million people, pushing them off their coverage. and as they do so, they are implementing the biggest transfer of wealth in our history. $600 billion gone from working families to the richest people and corporations in our country. so in terms of -- in terms of insurance coverage, it's immoral. in terms of giving money to the rich at the expense of working families, it is indecent and wrong. this sbil very bad. and they're confused, the

republicans right now. some of them are saying -- discrediting the cbo and others are glorifying, pushing 24 million people off of coverage. so i hope that they would pull the bill. it's really the only decent thing to do. numbers aren't important. they see the numbers. they should know how that transfers into people's lives. they are finding that out from their constituents. how can they look their constituents in the eye? when they say to them, 24 million of you are no longer to have coverage. those of you who do have it will have less in terms of coverage at more cost to you. then i'm pleased to yield to the distinguished democratic leader of the senate, welcome back to the house side, my colleague. >> 18 happy years. or actually 14 happy years when we lost the majority, 400 years. thank you very much. and i want to thank leader

pelosi for her great words. now, the republican hand-picked, head of cbo has confirmed what we democrats have been saying all along. trump care would be a nightmare for the american people, causing tens of millions to lose coverage and millions more seeing the costs of their health care going up. ten years from today, president trump and the republicans have their way, there would be 24 million more americans without health insurance, a total of 58 million americans living in this country ten years from now will not have health coverage. that's un-american, that's wrong. premiums for seniors will rise a whooping 20 to 25%, and co-payments and deductibles for millions more. if there was ever a war on seniors, this bill, trumpcare,

is it. the bill spends almost twice as much on tax cuts for the wealthy, compared to tax credits to help older middle class americans afford health insurance. the rich get $592 billion in tax cuts for the richest, compared to only 361 billion for the middle class and the working class to afford health care. so when speaker ryan says it's an act of mercy, yeah, for those people who make over $250,000 a year, because they get big tax cuts. the only winners in this cbo report, are the health insurance executives and the wealthy americans. everyone else gets a cold shoulder from the republicans in congress and from president trump. now remember when president trump was a candidate, he said everyone will be covered and costs will go down. we now know no intention of

keeping either promise. today, the non-partisan scorekeepers have spoken clearly. trumpcare means higher costs for less coverage. the cbo report should be a knockout blow for republicans in congress. they should heed this warning and turn back from their plan that would be a disaster for the country. >> and at the same time, you're seeing the report that they are taking $170 billion from medicare, shortening the life of solvency from medicare by three years. so again, seniors have a lot to lose as does do all of america's families. any questions? >> the republicans might try to discredit -- [ inaudible ] >> this is their -- as the distinguished leader has said, the cbo director is one who has appointed by the republicans. the cbo report is one that the

republicans have always demanded of us when we had the majority and we would pass a law that you must have a cbo report. so as i say, they're torn. some of them are trying to pin a rose on this report and make it sound like it's a good thing. and the others are trying to discredit the cbo, but it's completely wrong. >> it's a pattern that is disturbing, even alarming in this administration. when they hear something they don't like, they label it a lie, cbo is virtually unassailable, everyone, democrats and republicans, whether it be george bush, barack obama, or anyone else has gone along with cbo. they appointed this person. he wasppos to be a conservative person. unfortunately for the republicans, he's an honest person. and they won't be able to discredit this. this report is going to resound from one end of america to the other. >> health and human services

secretary said today, we disagree with the cbo score. >> and of course he has no facts to back it up. numbers are quite eloquent things, you know, they speak very clearly. and we all respect and have acknowledged that we need to know the numbers. the number of people affected, the amount of money that it will cost. with who wins, who loses in that equation. and as i say, in congress, they still haven't come to the terms with the criticizing the cbo because 24 million people losing health insurance is not a problem for them. it's an act of mercy. >> i'm sure the republicans regret that they can't fire the cbo director as easily as they fired 46 u.s. attorneys. >> you said this was a knockout blow -- >> should be. >> it seems as though they're not making ground on getting their members to support this, it seems like this might have

been a knockout blow before the cbo. >> well, look, we should know the truth. before we enact major legislation, we should know the truth. cbo speaks the truth. they've been speaking the truth for decades. and to try to attack cbo is simply attacking the messenger. let them address the real issues that cbo reveals. the reason they don't wa to do is it because the report is devastating. >> and when the american people see -- i always tell the story about a little boy in school and he's in first grade or kindergarten and the teacher said what is one an one, two, two, four, she said, good. he says, not good, perfect. numbers are very eloquent. and what you can only do is project here because we're talking about the future, but as we have all know, you really cannot go forward to write legislation unless you have the numbers. and you know what you're talking

about. and it's -- as i said the other day, the speaker was the one who signed the letter insisting that we have a cbo report before we proceeded with the affordable care act, insisting -- we had already written for it. when it was important then. now the rents are saying it's not so important now and who is this any way. it's somebody appointed by the republicans to do the numbers and come as close as possible as to what the impact would be on the american people on their health and on our budget. the purpose of this affordable care act and the rest was to improve coverage lower costs, and expand access. affordable care act did exactly that. it does the exact reverse. it narrows coverage.

as well as costing more for people. so it doesn't achieve anything it sets out to do. it's a clear message to the constituents as to how it's going to affect them. it has a ten year that says it don't matter to us who suffers. >> can senator get this bill passed to the senate? >> if you look at how many republicans have spoken out against the bill, senator cotton is someone i don't usually agree with b he said don't do it so fast. they are rushing the bill through. the more exposure it gets, the less popular it becomes. read the bill. they have no time to read the bill. cbo issued the report three

weeks before the committee voted on affordable care act. so i think senator mcconnell is going to have difficult. his mainstream republicans don't like it because it cuts back on medicaid and remember, plmedica is for poor people and 60% goes to people in nursing home and it affects them and their kid. you're a kid 45 or 50, your mom or dad is in the nursing home. they have to shell out thousands of dollars out of their pockets, so it's a loser. what about opioid coverage. so many have made a campaign justifiably of trying to get opioid coverage.

then you have conservative republicans senators who think that this bill goes too far. soenor mcconnell is got difficult job ahead of him. and he only has the bill to blame. he got to get the votes on his own. he asked for that when they did reconciliation and the bill has made it difficult for him to do it. >> you are watching the democrats respond. i want to mention this pull out under 64-year-old making 2,500 -- under the gop plan, the same person, 64-year-old making $26,500 would pay $14,600.

that is more than half of that person's income. lindsey graham is responding to the cbo. let's listen. >> i don't think this is particularly good news. if they are half right, there are a lot of people uninsured. it does reduce deficit and premiums some. give me a chance to look at it closer. we should take the cbo report and see if we can make the bill better. >> where does it go now, beth? >> well, even on defer sicit reduction, $36 billion a year is not significant. if terms of the numbers, you can spin them until the cows come

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update from ins news. remember president trump said he would for go the office's $400,000 salary because it was no big deal for him. white house sean spicer asked if president would donate compensation to charity and his response got some laughs. >> the president's intention is to donate salary at the end of the year and he has asked that you help determine where it goes. the way that we can avoid scrutiny is determine where it should go [ laughter ] >> i think his view is he made a pledge and want to do flnate is

charty and want -- >> for the record, a $400,000 should show up in one's tax returns. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" for the record with greta starts right now. this impeding storm could be one of the season. winter storm watches and warning for 121 million people. 6 to 8 inch in washington. ten to 18 inches in new york. >> the fact is obamacare is disaster. >> the gop is split over the plan to replace obamacare. >> the political impact