for a variety of reasons, the cbo report does not seem to be helping. that said, who is to say that president trump is not looking at some of the coverage and some of the response saying we need to get back and negotiate part of it to help get more republicans on board. sources tell us that's what the president have sbeen saying. >> hallie, thank you. harold ball starts right now. mccain to trump, put up or shut up with wiretaps. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews. put up or shut up that's what mccain said to donald trump this

weekend. 14 million americans fewer people getting coverage under new trump care. it's been more than a week since trump accused predecessor of tapping his phone before the election. here is senator mccain on that yesterday. >> the president has two choices either to retract or provide the information that the american people deserve because if his predecessor violated the law, we have a serious issue here. >> do you have reason to believe the charge is true? >> i have no reason to believe that the charge is true but i also believe that the president of the united states could clear it up in a minute. >> in contrast speaker paul ryan tried kissing over the accusation. >> you said you are working hand

and glove with the president on selling the healthcare plan, the president sends out four tweets about predecessor wiretapping him. did that help or hurt? >> that was not part of the campaign trail. how far off course did that take you? >> i think it was -- >> there's really often into new territory. >> there is part of what the intelligence kmo committee is investigating. >> late today, the justice department told them it immediate more time to review the request. the spokesperson sean spicer said -- the president made the stupid charge. spicer dodged some of the

inflammatory speech. >> if you look at the president's tweet, he said clearly "wiretapping." the president was clear in his tweets it was wiretapping. that's span a host of surveillance tops of option. >> he meant -- >> he had it in quotes. >> you're interpreting the tweets? >> no. >> did you ask him about >> i did. he said it was something that was referred to in other reports. >> he cited other reports in his information with you. >> yes, he did. >> congressman, for a week, trump has let it hang out there that the president obama

wiretapped him. now they are trying to weasel out of it. i think the grown up here is mccain who saying put up or shut up. >> -- they have gotten away with the fantasy that there were 3 million fraudulent votes casts. this president does not get called into account for putting out false statements. even though it involves something of historic magnitude an -- it doesn't seem to stick

with donald trump when he fly out lies. >> i think there are people who believe it. i don't accept it. somebody should tell the speaker of the house he is -- being a felon or not. it isn't funny. how does a president order a wiretap. what does he have to do -- i don't think it's constitutional. but how would it be done? >> i don't have the wildest clue. here is the deal, two things you have to keep in mind. number one, the president didn't ask for prosecutor -- >> he didn't call for investigation. sean spicer later covered it up by saying a want a investigation. aihe was sick doing.

>>ere is the big eger problem, they are in campaign mold. i sat in a bunch of focus groups and rust belt states people who vote for trump, they like him, they love him agenda, when you ask him what would he change. quit shooting from the hip. they want him to be focused and that is a problem for him. >> wiretapping could be a host of surveillance uniques. just find out obama had phone taps. this is mccarthyism. tap my phone during the sacred -- this watergate or sick

guy. referring to the former president. let's watch what he said a week ago. >> does the president believe that former president barack obama committed a felon. >> i think the tweets speak for themselves. >> when did president become to believe that the president obama wiretapped his phones. >> i think it speaks for itself. >> this would be a bone i will chewn because i nnot understand how sitting president accuse former president of a felony. you have to get a fisa agreement is not something president's do. it's done by prosecutor. your thoughts. >> sean is right.

the tweets speak for itself. he accused the former president. he made a inflammatory statement and accused former president of a felony. this is part of false things that the approximatepresident i person and -- he calls for an investigation to try to bury that. even if we don't know if there's any kind of legal consequences or recourse in terms of catching him in a lie, it's important to do that because of this pattern of eskalation. we may laugh at it but they believe it. >> i think he should act like the speaker of the house.

it seems like trump is using you to hide behind. you're the intelligence committee -- give us evidence or reason to believe there's wiretapping by the former president. they say we have not fwn abbeen to get the information. they say you investigate. we say okay, we have to get the investigation from the justice department. this is to keep the story alive. why are they doing this. why don't they talk? >> we have a hearing coming up on 20th. he may take that opportunity to say what he wanted to say which is to debunk this story. i think it was their best bet on how to make it go away by saying

it's your problem. this is a serious enough charge that you can count on us to -- in the open hearing to ask the people there, whether is anything to this serious charge -- >> what is complicated about finding out if the president order wiretap. why is it complicated? >> it's not. they can have doj in his office to say is it true or is it not true. he may not like the answer is the reason why he wasn't want to do that. kellyanne ask about the claim up in jersey. >> do you know whether trump tower was wiretapped. >> there's many ways to surveil

each other. you can surveil through the phones, television sets, my crow waves that turn into -- >> kellyanne said she was not talking about inference to surveil trump tower but surveillance uniques. let's watch. >> why would you make suggestion without evidence. >> i wasn't -- >> i asked -- >> you have no evidence that was used against trump tower. >> i have no investigation that's why there's an investigation. however, i -- i'm not in job of

having -- it looks to me like they are trying to bury the story. was the current president wiretapped by the former president that's a simple question to answer. if you don't know the answer, say i don't know. >> look, i have to give credit to kellyanne conway. she is loyal to this president. she doesn't have a good answer. she hasn't been included on why the president said what she did. >> why is she making the rounds? >> she didn't go on the rounds on -- >> you can imagine coming on this show, and you're boss within the last week accused his predecessor of having tapped his phone and not be ready with a

quick answer. >> let's be honest. >> i'm always honest. >> kellyanne not be able to give a bad answer -- >> you're saying what i'm saying. >> it's called the run around. >> that's not what i'm saying. >> what are you saying? >> i'm saying in this particular case, she is already said that the president has information that she is not authorized to have and therefore she could not talk into the situation. all he did was talk about what surveillance means and it's much broader. >> you can google that and find that out. >> thank you for being on the show. coming up, non-bipartisan say 14 millions will be left

cold if republicans plan to push healthcare. we have to figure this one out. what's going to replace obamacare. not much. the problem of them lose healthcare become donald trump's problem. don't you think? -- more carrying marijuana is underfire for comments like that. we can't restore our civilization with someone else's babies. for the trump white house it's about disruption. you needs to make sure people see him as rebel. let me finish with trump, you ain't going to like it. this is "hardball" where the action is. well, a 103

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the president has commented that no one will lose coverage. there will be a smooth transition. >> that's an interesting number. >> chris, we're offering coverage to everyone. >> i believe we can firmly do that with the plan we have laid out. >> they will be able to pick the plan and doctor they want and do a lot of things the other plan was supposed to give and never

gave. >> that was trump and members of the administration defending the proposed healthcare act. if passed the price tag will reduce federal budget. 24 million will be uninsured by 2026. if they -- if they are willing to take spokt responsibility of those -- remember this. the pottery barn rule, you break it. you own it. president accused media of looking better than it really is. >> the press is making is look wonderful. if we end it, everyone is going to say remember how great obamacare used to be.

it was so great. it's a little bit like president obama, people liked when he was left. when he was here, they didn't like him so much. >> here what they had to say late tonight. >> i hope they would pull the bill. that's the decent thing to do. numbers are important. they see the numbers. they should know how that transfers into people's lives. >> the republican hand picked head of cbo has confirmed what he democrats have been saying all along. trump care would be a nightmare for the american people. >> remember when he was candidate he said everyone would be covered and cost would go

down. he had no intention of keeping either promise. >> congressman bar ton, thank you for coming on today. -- -- 14 million fewer. >> i respect cbo but they are not infallible. they are seldom ever right. 19 million americans under the affordable care act chose not to take coverage even though this was main dated. they either paid tax penalty or they asked to hardship exception. 10 million did go into private exchanges. it seems ill lodgeble that 14 -- that chose individual chances, i

don't see how you get to the number. >> do you respect the cbo, he pointed out that the leader was picked by republicans and the caucus. now you say you respect them but you don't trust the numbers. explain it? >> it doesn't matter who the director is. the cbo is almost always wrong. in my 32 years in congress i cannot recall them ever being right. >> they say 24 million fewer people insured by 2016. i'm wondering, that's a lot of people -- if it's 24, 23, or 26, that's a the of people that's not going to be covered by a plan that's supposed so cover everybody. >> give us a couple of years to

get to the transition and let the american choose. we think you are going to get better coverage, lower cost, you will choose to get the coverage not mandated. we need to put the plan in place and give it a chance and see what the american people think. >> it seems to me, that the democrats created social security are no republicans voted for. the same with medicare and obamacare. this is something first social entitlement programs that the republicans will have their fingers on. they will call you, say you voted for this. aren't you worried about having the hammered put next to your head. instead of blaming the

constituent, they will be blaming you, aren youorried about that. >> we cannot be -- >> you are scot-free of that one. >> we asked the democrats to help us but for i guess perhaps some of the reason you eluded to they are too busy defending something that's failed to work with us. >> that's a fair charge you made. ruth, let ask you about this. i think promises were made in this campaign and one of them was -- obama made a lot of promises too, this guy is making promises about deliver it is what obama could in terms of coverage at cheaper price. maybe same price but not the coverage. >> i'm attempted to keep going

about the attention must be paid to cbo scores. it's just complete logic with the take aware mandate to require purchase the health insurance. when you spend more than a trillion dollar less in terms of subsidies and maedicaid costs, it's going to make sense there's going to be fewer, it's a significant number and i think there's a lot of angst among republicans on the hill looking at the numbers. >> republican lawmakers express their opposition to this bill. >> i would say to my friends with whom i serve, do not walk the plank and vote for a bill that cannot pass the senate and

have to face the consequences of that vote. >> i think that's not because of the specific this is unacceptable. but because i think we can do better. in a number of areas of concern. >> you say that speaker ryan is pulling the wool over the eyes of the president. >> i think the's a separation between the two. i talked to the president three times and he willing to negotiate. what i here from paul ryan it's a binary choice. what does it mean. his way or the highway. >> congressman, it seems to me there's to safest positions, you vote for something that pass or vote for something that fails. are you comfortable with the bill you're looking at on the house side from the ryan's

office and something you are comfortable defending. >> i do want to improve it. i do think that the way we treat the medicaid expansion states is too rich. i would like to end increase in expanding medicaid coverage for healthy adults after one year and a day when the super march goes back to two third federal government one-third state match. i do think what the energy and commerce committee and the ways and means committee -- we have to protect the people that chose to participate in it or forced

to. we need to move to better system, more choices, or freedom. i'm not sweating we are trying repeal and replace obamacare. >> congressman, who are getting nervous. thank you. up next, ohio congressman no stranger to outrageous statements. tonight he is doubling down and not backing down. this is "hardball." we'll be right back. verage comps have come together to bring you more ways to help reduce calories from sugar. with more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all, smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels, and signs reminding everyone to think balance before

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i would ask you to go through through history and figure out where are the contributions made by these people. western civilization itself rooted in western europe and united states and every place where the christianity. >> welcome back t "hardball." that was republican from ohio steve king. questioning non-white subgroups, he called them. he is under fire again. reporting -- he tweeted builders understand we cannot restore our

civilization with someone else's baby. when asked to explain when down down on his comment. >> i meant exactly what i said. i said the same thing ten years to german people or people that is declining that is not willing to have enough baby to reproduce yourself. you cannot rebuild with someone else's baby. you have to keep your birth rate up. many republicans were quick to condemn the remarks of the congressman. he tweeted what exactly do you mean. do i qualify as someone else's baby? the sentiment shared by -- is

eplur russ ennumb. here's what he told fox news. >> i disagree with that statement. we are a melting pot. my families here because potatoes stopped growing in island. we're a melting pot where people come from all the walks of live from around the world to seek a bett better life. >> congressman, what do you think he meant and do you defend it? >> i do. it's good to be with you. i think he is getting a bum wrap. peoplen the media are calling steve king a racist and

zeenphobe. he said if you want to come here you have to come here legally. if you want to come here legally, you have to assimilate and askrib to our american values, he said american can't survive. you're not a racist to believe that. >> let's ask jonathan what is your reaction? >> chris, what congressman king said is part and parcel of a history of things that he has said that are racist or xeno phobic, we know when congressman king talked about people coming over the border with calves the size of can te lopes. calling mexicans drug mules.

congressman king has a problem. he has a xeno ph obe. >> -- they are hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert. those would be legalized with the same act. that's the guy you're defending right now. there's a pattern of prejudice here. putting it lightly. >> i don't think it is. >> against mexican. >> no. mexicans have come up. the media obsession with making this about race. this is what they did with trump

supporters during the campaign. >> what former congressman wilson is trying bait a conversation where he is trying to pull in people who voted for president trump and lumping them into being racist. we are talking a congressman who has a history of making racist and xeno ph obic statements. what america is above all else is an idea. people come here for opportunities, they come hear to spe -- here to seek a better life because that's the idea of america. when you have a congressman who degrades people who come here --

denounced what king said. >> jonathan, it's not racist. it's about value and cultture. if your going to come here, jonathan, then subscribe to that idea that -- >> i think people do. >> many do, cis. but many don't. >> we' n holland. holland has the homogenus -- african-americans have been here longer than us. the point has been made by history, you're right. they were yearning for prfreedo. i appreciate the point you're

trying to make. it has to do with cultural thing. thank you jonathan -- you better to subscribe to that or you should not be here. freedom and all things. coming up, haven't you noticed that shaking things up is his way of being a rebel. it's his way of letting us know he is still alive. part of reason he firing up the u.s. attorneys. he likes to cause trouble. this is "hardball" where the action is.

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welcome back to "hardball." a sudden move by the department of justice. 46 attorneys were asked to resign.

attorney general jeff sessions supported the decision. this should not come as a surprise. president trump enjoys shaking things up and playing the role of rebel. catherine, it seems to me, there's a rotation, when you come into presidency, you get rid of the old administration. this guy -- he told him he was not going to fire them. who -- >> i don't know who matters at this point. it matters who calls the shots. >> trump is the president. >> i never thought that dublin came up with the idea of invading iraq.

i'm sorry. >> when trump made the promise that he was going to keep him on. i'm not sure he thought through it. >> we know -- >> he put in the call. >> the white house is saying that. >> there was some indecision. it looked like trump wanted to keep him. but he was always the guy going after fox. so i'll go to you. why do you let that guy look like a hero today. why did this guy get fired? >> nobody else can name -- >> except mr. fishman.

>> he was going after a lot of corruption. the guy who is going to replace him with roger's personal lawyer. >> is he going to get it. >> it looks like it. >> you think this was done to protect fox? >> yes, it may have been a quid pro quo with fox. >> you believe that was the deal,uid pro quo. trump is the tank with fox. i done think -- >> what was the deal? >> somehow he told him i'm going to keep him around. >> he made the promise to him after the election but there was nothing knew, going after fox wasn't new. >> going after murdock. >> there's a lot of substantial

evidence. >> why did he fire him? >> i don't know why he fired him. many people don't know why he fired him exception for his inner circle. >> what about bannon? >> bannon probably knows. trump was going to get -- he doesn't like telling people they are fired to their face. >> on the campaign when he fired his campaign manager he didn't do it in person. >> people would say, everything he does has a second purpose which is to create shake-up mentality. could it be this is where they agree getting rid of u.s. attorneys on the boss things are

changing. >> i'm sure that'sart of it. in my view -- >> tmp or bannon? >> trump. this is his way throughout the campaign. >> every day we talk about trump, every second we talk about trump. he's won. he those he has to keep the grand -- if it he disappeared for a week it would be unimaginable. if you fire someone in new yorks all the bells and whistle -- this is "hardball" where the action is.

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trump watch. monday, march 13th, 2017. i have this theory about donald

trump. it's about who he wants to be. you know how you hear a lot today about their existence, i think donald trump wants to be the resistance. get it? he doesn't want to be the person responsible for getting your health care coverage, the person who you call or blame when it's not working for you. no, donald trump wants to be the person who gives speeches and/or tweets attacking the current health care program. he wants to be the resistance. this explains his arm's length distance from the republican health care bill that's supposed to repeal and replace obamacare. it explains while he'll be happier if the bill gets stoed in the house or senate because then he'll be able to blame the democrats. the fact is, no matter what bill gets passed, donald trump will get shorthanded. there's not even less of a chance of the congressional democrats that are going to help him destroy obamacare. that leaves him, donald trump, with the prospect of signing a health care bill that cuts millions of americans from their health insurance. does anyone expect those

families to vote for him, donald trump, bring him back into office the next time? no. the best bet for donald trump is to end up in a position to be able to blame someone else. watch the next several weeks and see what i'm talking about. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. ♪ [cheers and applause ] ♪ take me home country roads ♪ in west virginia -- >> we're going to put the miners back to work. >> some of the promises that he's made come through, we can see at least a little bit of a turnaround. >> racked by un