. i got to race out of here this hour because i can't wait to watch "mtp daily." i'm stephanie ruhle in for steve kornacki. house speaker paul ryan is joining todd to discuss the new gop health care bill. "mtp daily" starts right now. charles. if it's thursday, the brackets are set on the republican health care bill and the budget. tonight, the white house playbook. >> president of the united states is the one who is bringing people together, sitting around a table, hashing out our differences. >> the administration stuck in neutral on health care, the travel ban and wiretap claims. speaker of the house paul ryan joins me live. plus, words matter. how candidate trump's campaign rhetoric is frustrating president trump's prospects for a travel ban. >> our argument is that context matters. >> we'll talk to the state attorney general who first led the travel ban resistance.

and going green, why the luck of the irish showed up a day early in the nation's capital. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. and welcome from washington. welcome to "mtp daily" on this non-st. patrick's day. wishing you actually a happy first day of march madness. the trump white house is struggling to get anything going on offense, no matter the play called, it seems the moves are being bottled up by strong defense from a varietyf sources. from the federal courts, to democrats, to sometimes members of his own party. let's take a look at the game film. revised travel ban. blocked again. health care overhaul. might be unraveling. accusations that president obama wiretapped trump tower? still no evidence. and more recently, a controversial new budget blueprint that slashes

discrechery funds from everywhere from the state department to the epa to pay for increased defense spending and to fund a down payment on the wall. this bold, brash outline is highly unlikely to go anywhere on the hill. any good basketball coach would agree, you can't do anything on offense unless you have good teammates. what the white house needs right now is a reliable partner in house speaker paul ryan. that's who joins me next. my first guest. speaker of the house himself. republican speaker ryan. welcome back to the show. >> chuck, happy st. patrick's week. >> fair enough. i want to get to this wiretap business. house and senate, intel leaders, committee chairs and ranking members all put out statements. you as a member of the gang of eight that gets this all, you

know this to be fact, there is no evidence of any of this anywhere, and yet here was sean spicer, the president's press secretary, just an hour ago. take a listen. i want to get your reaction. >> the president's been very clear when he talked about this and he talked about it last night. when he talked about wiretapping, he meant surveillance. >> you have a senate and house intelligence committee, both leaders fr both parties on both of those panels saying that they don't see any evidence of any wiretapping. how can the president go on and continue -- >> you're mischaracterizing what the chairman said. he said it's possible. he is following up on this. you're stating unequivocally -- >> he said, if you take the president literally he is wrong. >> we cleared that up. he said exactly that, but the president said clearly, when he referred to wiretapping, he was referring to surveillance. >> can you still say d definitively he said it was wiretapped or surveilled. >> he meant it in quotes.

it was very broad. that's what he meant by the use of the term. >> mr. speaker, in the broadest sense of the definition, is there any evidence to back up the president's air-quote claim at this point? >> i don't know what else you want me to add to this, chuck. i have said this pretty much for a few days now since getting these briefings, the chairmen and ranking members on both committees have not seen any evidence. that's all i believe i have to add. >> can we just not believe the president? >> there is an investigation on russia. it's bipartisan. it's ongoing. it hasn't wrapped up. he here heretofore we haven't seen evidence of that. i have seen no evidence of it. i have seen no evidence of wiretapping, as you say, or a court order or anything like that. i'll leave it at that.

i go t >> would you advise the president to stop making the claim or accept the conclusions of senator burr and congressman nunes? >> my guess is he wants to see the finalization of the report. which will take some time. my guess is they're waiting for their investigation to be concluded before coming to aen could collusion. that's my assumption as to what they're thinking. >> are you concerned that this eats away at the president's own credibility when he has to sell the country on a health ca plan and on a budget that will polarizehe two political parties? if he is not credible on this, how is he going to be credible selling these important proposals to you? >> look, i'll say what i have said for months now. it's going to be an unconventional presidency. twitter is new. twitter, facebook, all these things -- we as americans, as a society, have not fully processed this new system we have. and the president is, you

know -- >> no, no. >> let me just say -- it's going to be an unconventional presidency. i'm not going to go out and justify and defend eevery tweet. there are 20 a day. i don't pay attention to it. i am in congress, focusing on my job, trying to get things done. improve people's lives. the president will send a lot of stuff out there that may seem odd or strange or unique, tantalizing or interesting. he has a way of communicating with people that's really darn successful, and he's going to keep doing that, i think. >> your advice simply is ignore him at some point? we are to ignore some things the president says? >> no. you are putting words in my mouth, chuck. all i know is i have not seen any evidence of this. i don't have anything more else to add. >> let me move to health care. last week you said this is the closest we will ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. the time is here, the time is now. this is the moment and this is the closest this will ever happen. last night you said, we're

getting feedback from various members on how we can improve this bill. >> right. >> how does the bill go forward? how willing are you to compromise. you have some to your right on fiscal matters that don't like this and many in your own party to your left that don't like this bill. how do you -- seems to me you tried to compromise between the two wings. that didn't work. how do you shift this bill? >> i wouldn't say that at all. here is the point i have been making. we're going through the legislative process. it goes through four committees, three weeks in the house. we're following the budget process to the letter. what i meant when i said this is the moment. this process, this reconciliation bill is the closest we'll ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. it is that. i mean that. the process is one where we legislate and work and nail down agreements. now that we have the score we can fine tune. this is always going to be an

open process where we get feedback from people, members, and fine-tune to the end. that's the way the process works. by the way, when we're done in the house, it goes to the senate and they start the process all over again. that is the legislative process. this is what we've always intended. you're going to use a transparent process and go through regular order. this process and ultimately ends up with a budget bill, a law, is the closest we'll ever get to repealing and replacing obamacare. i am pleased with how the process processed. the president is helping to broker a lot of this stuff. it's constructive, frankly. >> moving to the cbo scoring. it was two radically different responses to the cbo report by you and secretary price. you said, i am pretty encouraged by it, after reading the entire report. it actually exceeded my expectations. secretary price said we disagree strenuously with the report that was put out.

we believe that our plan will cover more individuals at a lower cost. can the two of you be reading the same report? >> yeah. there is a little bit lost in translation there. i agree with tom. he is right that these coverage dropages, i just don't agree with those terms. what i was encouraged with was why cbo qualified and explained why they came up with the estimate, because the government -- if the government stops forcing somebody to buy something that they don't want to buy, they won't buy it. the cbo explained why they had those estimates of droppage. it's not that people are losing something or it's being taken away from them. it's that they'll voluntarily choose not to participate in obamacare if they're no longer made to do so. that's the point where i was encouraged. i've been dealing with cbo reports for years. >> i understand that. >> i have spent a lot of time on this. i was encouraged that they qualified their estimates. that's something i found encouraging. tom rightfully disagrees with the conclusion. i agree with tom price on that

as well. what was also encouraging is that cbo said, once our reforms kick in, rates starts going down, premiums start going down. our goal here is to lower the cost of health care to improve access to health care. cbo is saying we are achieving that. that's before tom price moves a pen stroke to open up market competition. deregulate. get the states back into the game of opening up free markets for health care. i encouraged. it shows that we're on the right track. >> take the cbo's estimates in coverage and cut it in half. instead of 24 million losing coverage, assume is 12. assume it's 12 people who want it but can't afford it. is that too many? >> what cbo is saying is, because 28 states that did not expand medicaid -- because they won't -- then they won't expand medicaid and people won't go on medicaid ten years down the road. because the government won't force people to buy something

they don't want to buy they won't buy it. cbo said that today we would have, what, 26 million people on obamacare. there are 11 million people. the cbo has been pretty far off on the coverage estimates. >> cbo, 26 million included medicaid. you are not counting medicaid expansion in your number. >> i appreciate that point. thank you. they've been pretty off on these government mandated benefits. that's the thing. when government looks at estimating government mandates, they assume total compliance with government mandates. it's not accounting for the fact of reality. this thing is collapsing, chuck. i mean, it is in a death spiral. that's not just my words. those are the words of health insurance executives. >> how do you say it's a death spiral if more people are signing up. yes, premiums went up. you still have obamacare subsidies that has shielded many of these people from some of the premium hikes? it is not the definition of a

death spiral where suddenly you are having it -- where premiums with going up and nobody is buying it. >> i'm quoting the ceo of aetna. young, healthy people are not buying obamacare. they're paying the fine instead. and they're not cross-subsidizing older, sicker people. that means the quality or the health of the pool is less healthy, so the rates are going up. the rates went up 25% on average this year. in arizona, it went up 116%. insurers are saying we're getting out of the market. it's collapsing. united and aetna pulled out in many markets. we're seeing the insurers pulling out to the point that some states have only one insurer left. with humana's recent announcement that they are pulling out in 2018 there are areas like in tennessee where there are zero insurers left. this law is not getting better, it's getting worse, and the premium increases that we're

being told to expect next year if we do nothing will be even higher than this year. that means it spirals -- >> to correct you on that one. there are many analyses that say this was the corrective year on premium increases and now you'll have a stable market going forward. we have had three years of this -- >> that's not what we're hring from the insurers. why would humana pull out if that's the case? >> they may have their own budget and merger reasons. there are a lot of other business decisions. >> they were the sole insurer in the area. they were a monopolist. if you are a monopolist, you probably don't want to give it up unless you can't make money in a monopoly. >> is health care a right or a privilege? >> not from the government. so if you say that health care is a government granted right, then we as citizens are giving the government too much power over our lives. if we are saying we want this to be a government-granted right,

then we're saying as citizens it's the government who gets to decide how, where, when and under what circumstances we get health care. that's giving the government far too much power over our lives. >> let me ask you this question. >> i want to get you there. don't put me off. i love you. we're buddies. >> fair enough. go ahead. >> the point is, health care is a need, and we respect that need. the question is, can we have a system in america where everybody can get affordable coverage? can we have a system where everybody can get affordable coverage with more choices even people with preexisting conditions? the answer is yes. it is not obamacare. it's what we're trying to achieve here. the three things we're doing through this bill, the things tom price can do to deregulate and the other reforms. we fundamentally believe. i stand by this 1,000%. we'll be able to offer a better system with more access and lower coverage costs, including people with preexisting conditions. obamacare will not deliver that. that's what we're trying to achieve here. this is a very important need that everybody has.

that's what i want to say. thanks for not putting me off. >> the reason i ask it that way, though, is, if somebody chooses not to have health insurance but they need health care, they're going to go to emergency room. maybe they don't pay that bill. and you and i both know what happens. the hospital, whatever it is, they come to you, they're looking for, hey, i got to get -- who is going to bail me out of this long bill? who pays for this. >> it's called bad debt. >> the taxpayer ends up paying for it. >> that's right, that's right. here is why our bill works better. i fundamentally believe because i saw it work in wisconsin. you have ate-based high-risk pools. additional coverage for people with catastrophic illnesses or costs like cancer, heart disease. you cover them in high-risk pools so they get affordable coverage. they don't go poor if they get sick. by doing that, you stabilize the insurance for everybody else. 1% of the people under 65 drive

23% of all the health care costs in america. if you can deal with that population with direct support with high-risk reinsurance pools which worked well before obama abolished them you lower the cost and stabilize the price and you give people tax credits and health savings accounts. that's what we're trying to achieve. >> final question before i let you go. i know you need to get going. the debt ceiling, officially -- we hit it tomorrow. then obviously, i think there will be a couple more months of rejiggering of money. >> that's right. >> let me ask you this. what's your plan, and does it include clean debt ceiling hike? >> my guess is it won't be a clean debt ceiling hike? i don't remember when we've done one of those. we always do something where legislation is attached to it as well. my guess is we'll have something. >> can you do it without democratic votes? >> i don't know the answer to that. honestly, i haven't been

figuring out the vote coalition, what the bill looks like. we've been discussing with treasury the need to address this and the various options we have. we have time because steve mnuchin has extraordinary measures. he will come up with a solution and we'll handle this. >> it will not be a clean bill? >> i doubt it. they rarely are. >> is it going to -- >> i can't think of one. >> it isn't going to be a cut in spending for every dollar you're asking for a raise? >> i can't answer the question. we don't have a bill yet. so i can't answer the question. >> fair enough. speaker ryan, do you have wisconsin in your final four? >> i do, actually. i have them going all the way. a rematch with kentucky. but we win this time. >> there you go. speaker ryan. >> wish us luck. >> happy st. patrick's week, apparently. >> thanks, chuck. >> thanks for coming on. we'll have reaction to speaker ryan's comments and what white house march madness means

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welcome back. outside of your nation's capital. st. patrick's day is not until tomorrow. at the white house the fountain is already died green because the bond between ireland and the united states may be strong, but not strong enough to make congress work on a friday. all the traditional events happened a day early. including the visit from ireland's leader and the luncheon on capitol hill with the sea of green ties. >> i try to give an irish joke every year. i asked the staff for a good list to choose from for this lunch. at the top of the list it says number one, your irish accent. of course, it's not st. patrick's day without the annual tradition of everyone struggling to pronounce the title for ireland's head of state. >> tshuck. >> my new friend.

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welcome back to "mtp daily." we just heard from house speaker paul ryan about his relationship with the trump white house and the challenges facing republicans trying to get the agenda going. tonight's agenda. amy. matt and karene. welcome all. >> thank you. >> i'll start with the wiretapping stuff. because i guess we'll call it wiretap dancing for speaker ryan. i wasn't expecting another answer other than the one i got. >> yep. >> to me, you know, he -- what, some 300-odd republicans that have to answer this question because president trump won't concede that he was wrong. >> so the only hope, if you are republicans right now, is it's now over. and that the story is done. >> but it's not.

sean spicer today spent -- >> how many days, how many hours -- >> he had a list of articles of totally unsubstantiated claims that were not in those articles that he claimed were substantiating. >> how much more time will they spend on this? that's what i am asking. when you have the heads of the committees say we didn't find anything there. are they going to keep pushing this, the white house, that is, the president, that is, or will they say, you know what, we're done. >> he'll spend his entire presidency if he wants to. i was with him in new hampshire in 2011 when president obama came out with the long-form bert certificate that trump wanted. trump looked at it and he said, first of all, he was responsible for the birth certificate being released. of course, he didn't admit that obama had been born in this country until last year. five years -- >> won't believe what the investigators are finding out. >> these stories will last as long as trump wants them to last. they're weapons of destruction. some of what came out of the story, the wiretap claim, is a

lot intellinc officials denying any collusion on the part of the trump campaign or certainly him, with russia. in a way, that's information that helps his story. >> okay. but it does seem -- i mean, here -- you have devin nunes who didn't want to somehow make the president look like a liar. >> neither did richard burr. >> speaker ryan. they're not trying to damage him here. the problem is, how does he sell other parts of his agenda if you're told to just throw away half of what he tweets, you decide which half? >> i think it's to what matthew was saying. it's a distraction. a misdirection for donald trump. he is still very much in campaign mode. he is still doing the same thing. he doesn't wear what the statements he puts out, if it's true or not. we are the ones who are supposed to figure it all out. meanwhile he goes about his business. this is where we are. he is a dog with a bone on this one. he is not going to let it go and

we'll continue talking about it. >> i don't see how this is a good distraction. wiretapping is russia. it's the russia story. and when that is around, how is that good for him? >> you have to ask how the russia story actually plays out outside washington, d.c. >> i was just going to say that. >> there i think it's a tale of two different areas. washington, new york, obsessed with russia. the rest of the country i don't think is paying much attention. >> in 1973 a lot of people said the same thing about watergate. for what it's worth. >> i don't think we're at watergate level. >> i don't either. but just because it's not being talked about, it does sort of -- doesn't mean it's not serious. >> i think -- think d.c. thinks they are on a tergate level story here. >> that's right. >> if you look at the evidence and what's been reported, we are not there. >> i agree, we don't know what it quite is. something happened. somebody may have known something. i think it's very plausible president didn't know knany of .

if it was somebody close to him they would have kept him out of the loop on purpose. he kind of has a big mouth. moving on to health care, amy. where is this going? how did they revise the bill? before speaker ryan was on. congressman donovan, a moderate new york congressman. talking about all the parts of the medicaid aspects of the bill that he didn't like and wanted to see reform. once the people get off, they might not be able to get back on. he is a moderate looking for changes to his end and conservatives want changes away from that. >> where does the president start to engage here? i am fascinated by this fight because for the first time we're starting to see what happens when you take a populist, anti-establishment candidate, who is not a republican, who won the republican nomination and is elected president as a republican, working with an establishment, free market republican leadership. right?

those two things. now we're seeing the clash and the colliding. and when the president is deciding, when he is going to put his weight behind something, what is that. and it's pretty clear at this point he is not so excited about putting his weight behind this at this point. if he does, i think he could get -- they could get this done. if is ineed you guys to do , my presidency, my political capita my approval ratings all count on this getting done, i need you to do this for me, and then he is going to -- they're going to need to do something for him. >> seems like house and senate republicans, matthew, are weirdly having a weird gamesmanship. you have senate republicans going i don't want the house to pass anything. we don't want to touch -- that thing can't pass. hopefully it doesn't pass at all. they don't want a bunch of house republicans going, we tried, those guys can't get it done. what happens here? >> welcome to governing. a lot of republican leaders are telling their members right now -- you know, most republican

congressmen have never been in the position of governing before. they were the opposition party. now they're the governing party. messy compromises have to be made. the bill looks on track to pass the house. it cleared budget today. you have the manager's amendment and rules committee next week. that will appeal to the conservatives. ryan needs to keep the conservatives in order to clear the house. >> that's what you think, right? >> right. in the senate it's a different story. in the senate mcconnell has to worry about not only the -- the unpeasable conservatives. he has to worry about the moderates too. what does the bill like when it hits the senate. >> the senate members are telling the house members, hey, you may vote for something that we never pass. >> yep. >> and then you own medicaid cuts that we don't own as senate republicans. >> that's what you're hearing from rand paul, tom cotton and those guys. look, i think they're thinking

of the political consequences, which are in two forms. 2018 is coming up. they'rthinking about, okay, how does this hurt -- how do we deal with this. because they had rhetoric -- they had all this rhetoric about repeal, repeal. they have to do something. yet, if you look at this plan and look at the seniors part of it, that hurts republicans because that is a -- >> some of their districts. >> 60% of the house republicans, they're older. their districts are older. if you look at trump, who he won, he won white voters who are 45 and older. this is their base that potentially could be hurt by this. that's what they're looking at, the political consequences of the rhetoric of repeal. also, if this gets through, how do they deal with their base? >> quickly, throw this to you, matthew. debt ceiling politics has very much been a republican sort of conservative fight over the years. he said it wouldn't be clean. you weren't surprised that he said, i hadn't thought about this yet. >> i don't think leadership or

the white house is giving much thought to the debt ceiling yet. a lot of messes to confront. health care, taxes. the choice act, their answer to dodd/frank, all before you get to debt ceiling. >> okay. how is this all going to happen? >> it's kind of like obamacare. we have to pass all this to see what happens. >> what happens after it. all right. you guys are sticking around. still ahead, how the president's own words are coming back to haunt him. stay tuned. with e*trade's powerful trading tools, right at your fingertips, you have access to in-depth analysis, level 2 data, and a team of experienced traders ready to help you if you need it. ♪ ♪ it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. ♪ ♪ e*trade. ♪ ♪ start trading today at etrade.com

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. if it's sunday, we'll talk political march madness on "meet the press." mick mulvaney will join me on the president's budget expectations versus the reality. and adam schiff will have the latest into president trump's wiretap claims. the first public hearing begins next week. that's coming up sunday. still ahead here on "mtp daily." the washington state attorney general bob ferguson joins me to discuss the latest fight against president trump's late errs versi latest version of the trel ban. >> dow falling 15 points today. dow down three. nasdaq barely moving up. a little change in the number of job openings. government data for january also showing the number of those who quit was at its highest in 16 years. the head of gopro says the company failed by not aligning

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welcome back. the president's revised travel ban was supposed to go into effect officially today. temporarily barring new visas for people from six muslim majority countries. a federal judge in hawaii blocked it ruling that the executive order amounts to discrimination. and then this morning a judge in maryland issued another narrower injunction against it. this revised ban was created after the first one was put on hold by an appeals court. in blocking the ban this time the courts looked beyond the executive order, which doesn't mention muslims or christians, and cited previous comments about banning muslims from the president and those close to him over the last few years. including president trump's original call for a ban on muslims, which is still posted

on his campaign website, and this from senior adviser stephen miller last month. >> those are mostly minor technical differences, fundamentally you're still going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country. but in terms of protecting the country, those -- those basic policies are still going to be in effect. >> at a rally in nashville last night the president reacted to the ruling. >> an unprecedented judicial overreach. this is a watered down version of the first one. this is a watered down version. and let me tell you something. i think we ought to go back to the first one and go all the way which is what i wanted to do in the first place. >> the justice department is expected to appeal these rulings soon, as all of this was happening a federal judge in seattle was hearing arguments on another challenge to the president's executive order, this one from an attorney

general who forced the first travel ban to be halted. bob ferguson, the man behind the state challenges to the travel ban, joins me now. mr. attorney general, welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me, chuck. >> let me start with what changed your mind about the second order? when it first came out you immediately thought they had made enough changes to essentially clear court challenges. what changed your mind? >> i never came to that conclusion. we held a press conference to say we were looking at it. i recognized that there were significant changes, improvements to the revised order. no longer applies to graeen car holders or those with visas. after 48 hours we decid there were still significant aspects that essentially remained the same as you heard from mr. miller. >> a big part of this judge's ruling was not based on the order itself but was based on rhetoric, essentially, from either the president's staff,

the president himself as a candidate or some of his advisers. you know, is that -- is that what judges should look at? i understand intent, you know. some of this can be subjective. is that the ultimate case of subjectivity here? isn't it a judge's job to just look at what's on the order itself? >> quite the opposite, chuck. courts routinely, in fact it's their responsibility to look beyond the four corners of a document. one can have an executive order or a law that, on its face, seems legitimate, but once you see the motivation behind it, if it has an unconstitutional motivation a court can and must strike it down. i realize we're in a higher profile issue. the president and national security. it's a different context for the public to say, that's pretty big. but for the court, that's their job to do it. >> where are we headed with this? this is going to be -- do you

think that it's possible this does -- this order -- this halt, this temporary order gets stopped by the appeals court and essentially it's allowed to be implemented as arguments then for the actual case itself take place, or do you think we'll be in the temporary stay for quite some time? >> oh, i have been clear from the beginning. i think the original order and the revised one, the courts will notallowit to go forward. i tnk if the president chooses to appealo the ninth or fourth circuits. i don't think he'll get any more relief than he had in our original case. my anticipation is that the federal courts of apeelpeals wi agree with every federal judge who has reviewed it so far. >> one of the ways you got standing the first time on the first order was making the claim on the harm to businesses and institutions in the state of washington. it does seem as if the second order sort of answered that.

will that make it harder for you to argue that the state of washington -- could you make the same claims with this order as you did with the last one? >> so we recognized that the revised order, chuck, is more narrow. it does not apply to as many people as the first, extremely overbroad order did. we recognize that. we filed 50 or 60 declarations like other states who have joined the litigation all showing harm, for example, to our colleges, universities, students at those colleges, who -- it impacts those institutions as well as folks in our state whose loved ones, fiancéses and loved one cannot travel. to we feel confident with the standing argument. >> you are a state attorney general. i won't ask you to be an expert in immigration law. are you saying the executive

branch has no power at all to decide who can and cannot come intohe country mporarily? >> quite the opposite. i have said publicly and we said in court a president has broad authority but the authority is not unlimited. despite the department of justice arguing to the ninth circuit court of appeals that the president's actions are literally in their word unarguable. that is not the law and i would not allow it to be the law. that's frightening from the department of justice. we anticipate the courts will continue to agree with us. >> you think this is inevitable to go to the supreme court? >> president trump. you played the clip of him saying maybe i should take the first one to the supreme court. he had the opportunity, chuck, to appeal the first one to the supreme court and declined. i want to be clear to your viewers, the department of justice over and over has sought delays in this case, has chosen not to appeal it. they recognize what everybody who looked at it has recognized. the president is suffering defeat after defeat for a simple

ren. he is not above the law any more than you or i am. >> attorney general bob ferguson from the state of washington. thank you for coming on. we're all obsessed with the ncaa brackets and have dreamed up some fantasy final four matchups that i promise you you haven't seen yet. that's next. whoa, this thing is crazy. i just had to push one button to join. it's like i'm in the office with you, even though i'm here. it's almost like the virtual reality of business communications.

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welcome to "the lid." my panel is back. very quickly, on the travel ban. where is this going? where r we headed? is this going to be a new court challenge? >> this one they have to fight, right? they can't retreat? >> they tailored it to get

through the courts, trump has to hope it passes the next court. >> i think by the time it gets there, next fall. there's almost no possibility to have it end up on this term, you have to have the case play out. >> that's exactly right. the problem with the second orde we all know this has always been a religious test. donald trump was out there for two years talking about a muslim ban. yes, they put out a second one, you have steven miller -- >> do you think rudy giuliani is going to get deposed? >> yes. >> that's going to be a moment. >> taking it literally and seriously. >> that's what it's going to be, an interesting argument for the supreme court. outside rhetoric, how much does the outside content matter to what's written on the paper. that's a subjective legal argument. >> the politics of this work

well for donald trump. >> it's not just the immigration issue which has helped him with his base. it's always the judicial issue. conservatives love to fight against overreaching. >> it's a spaul base, 43%. it's a small base. if he keeps doubling, tripling down on that small base. >> i'm going to play one bite from budget director mull veinny's trip at the podium today when he was asked about cuts to meals on wheels. >> we can't spend money on programs just because they sound good. meals on wheels sounds great, that's a state situation to decide to fund that. we cannot defend that any more. >> they don't want to have a fight about meals on wheels. the same way they don't want to have a fight about how many people are not going to have

health care. the metric is, how many more -- how many fewer people are on health care today than there were a year ago, that's not where republicans want to make the fight. they want to make the fight on how government's spending your money. on that, i think they have a strong case to make. when we see the chyrons. washington is too entrenched, the interests are never going to let him do that. that is a good day for donald trump, to say, see, all the special interests want to stop me, we're just trying to make government -- >> is this trump negotiating this? this is an extreme budget on purpose? yeah, i'm going to whack the state department by an unrealistic number, because he really wants to cut it 10%? >> the art of the deal? >> is that where he's going with this? >> you kind of get -- >> you anchor it, the extreme, so all the concessions you make turn out to be victories. this is the most conservative budget since ronald reagan's first in 1981.

if you were a republican that doubted trump's conservative fidelity. it's hard for you to doubt it. >> is this donald trump's budget -- >> it's donald trump's budget. >> it's going to occasion a real fundamental debate about the role of government in this country. >> i can just picture if it does -- if it somehow becomes about school bunches and all this stuff. i can picture president truchld -- wait, i'm going to cut school lunches. you can picture him doing an interview with one of us saying, no, no, no, no, no, i like the school lunch. we're going to figure it out. >> i think it goes back to him not derstanding the job. >> i don't think it's that. >> i think getting into a fight about -- you know, taking away meals on wheels is a dangerous place to be. at the end of the day, what this budget says is what it's in his heart and mind. that's what this budget is about, it's going to change once

it gets to the hill, it's not going to be what we see today. that's what's dangerous, if you want to pull away from poor people, people who really need things, that's what you're cutting. >> with this budget, going into 2018. thank you, guys. very spirited discussion, i appreciate it. after the break, mother nature puts a deep freeze on a d.c. tradition. and don't say we didn't warn you. tech: at safelite, we know how busy your life can be. mom: oh no... tech: this mom didn't have time to worry about a cracked windshield. so she scheduled at safelite.com and with safelite's exclusive "on my way text" she knew exactly when i'd be there,

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just about two weeks ago i said this. i'm obsessed with the fact that my favorite season could be totally ruined before it's done. everyone in d.c. is crossing their fingers and hoping doesn't get too cold, windy, rainy. once those cherry blossoms bloom, they would mean they are fragile. that would be a baron spring for all of us. this is one of the times i hate. the national parks service said yesterday, they've inspectsed the cherry trees after our cold snowy weather this week, and some of the trees suffered widespread damage. the closer they are to being in blo bloom, the more damage. peek bloom was supposed to be today. well, according to our local nbc station in d.c., this is the first time in the tree's 105 year history that they will not

reach peak bloom. in case you missed it, unfortunately we told you so. all hope is not lost. just send some warm thoughts here to washington. we kind of need it. just for the cherry blossoms. that's all fortoght. for the record with greta starts right now. did you have wisconsin in your final four? >> of course, i have wisconsin going all the way winning, and beating virginia tech starting tonight. thank you, chuck for that. >> okay. tonight no evidence of a wiretap. a stunning bipartisan claim that there was no wiretapping. a joint statement of no evidence from the highest ranking republican and democrat, the white house is not backing down. democrats, though are now calling for an apology. but sean spicer, on behalf of the president is not going there, what happens now and what will we hear from the fbi? and also, battle