i know this is sudden, but they say...if you love something set it free. see you around, giulia good day, everyone, i'm ayman mohyeldimohyeldin. anticipation builds, fbi director james comey will testify at a hearing on monday. will it lay to rest all the talk of trump tower being wiretapped orill it race even more questions? dangerous level. that's the word from the secretary of state today in describing the situation with north korea. i'll talk to the former u.s. ambassador to china about

whether he thinks it will end in military conflict. and down on the bayou. in trump country, residents give their take on the health care proposal and the president, ahead right here on "msnbc live." we begin with the first 100 days. president trump in florida for a working weekend. a day after meeting with the chancellor of germany, angela merkel. he tweeted, "i had a great meeting despite what you've heard in the fake news." "nevertheless, germany owes vast sums of money to nato." meanwhile, the administration is stepping up on its pressure on china to keep north korea from expanding its nuclear program. secretary of state rex tillerson is in beijing today where he met

with his chinese counterpart ahead of his meeting with president xi jinping tomorrow. >> we have agreed to work together to see if we can bring the government in pyongyang to a place where ty want to make a course correction and move away from their development of their nuclear weapons. but it is with a certain sense of urgency that we both feel because of the current situation we have on the peninsula. meanwhile, hillary clinton is poking a little fun at herself while giving signals at her next political moves. she said last night -- >> i have a hard time watching the news, i'll confess. [ applause ] i am ready to, you know, come out of the woods. [ laughter ]

and to help shine a light on what is already happening around kitchen tables, at dinners like this, to help draw strength that will enable everybody to keep going. let's go now to west palm beach, florida, where msnbc's kelly o'donnell is traveling with the president for us this week, another trip down to mar-a-lago. kelly, what's on tap for the president this weekend? >> reporter: good to be with you, ayman. right now the president is at his trump international golf club here in west palm beach just a few minutes away. aides are telling us through the travel pool that's with him that he's not necessarily playing golf but doing working meetings today. a number of his top advisers have also come for the weekend. it has been sort of tradition that saturdays are a workday for the parking lot, at least in part. we kno he is expected to speak telephone with the new president of the brazil. and so there's a lot to do.

and included in that, of course, is keeping an eye on the vice president today, who is also in the air, heading to florida. he's going to be speaking with a business in jacksonville, florida, talking about issues that are important to small businesses and of course health care is among those. it's one of the listening sessions, as the trump administration has branded them. later tonight vice president pence will be in palm beach, addressing the club for growth, as you know a conservative group, very much anti-tax. so they have been among the voices expressing concerns about what that new health care bill under the gop plan would cost. many thinking it's not quite conservative enough, ayman. >> kelly, i wanted to ask you about this morning's tweet from president trump, somewhat unexpected. i guess not unexpected if it's a saturday morning tweet, but somewhat unexpected that he's once again lashed out at germany on the heels of what even he

says is a successful meeting. >> reporter: it would seem based on his tweets, and you read them so i won't repeat it, that he feels that the coverage of his meeting with german chancellor angela merkel did not reflect what he thinks the meeting accomplished. what's interesting about that is that it was very obvious at certain points that there was tensiobetween the two countries. that's not a secret, because they disagree shy. the president has been critical of angela merkel's policy toward accepting refugees and immigrants into germany. also there are differences on tate know and how much countries that are a part of nato are or are not liking up to their agreement to contribute to nato in terms of the cost. the president believes the u.s. carries too great a burden in defending germany. of course the u.s. has had a presence in germany for decades since the end of world war ii. there were two different kinds of images from his visit with

angela merkel. her motorcade pulling to the west wing door and the president personally was there to greet her with a handshake and what appeared to be a warm welcome. in past administrations, that was the job of the state department's protocol officer, to extend courtesies to visiting heads of state. but in the press conference, photographs were saying, "handshake, handshake," because traditionally there is the handshake which is the money shot, an important photo. clearly the president heard this because he responded to other comments made by the press pool but did not extend his hand. angela merkel, she speaks german

in public but she speaks english, she spoke to him in english asking if he wanted a handshake and he did not turn to her. based on those substantive and personal differences, there has en critil reporting, because germany is an important u.s. ally and a powerhouse in europe. the president is saying in all caps, his visit was great, despite some of these things we've been talking about, ayman. >> kelly o'donnell live for us in florida with the president, thanks, kelly. secretary of state rex tillerson is in china meeting with top diplomats to discuss north korea and the path forward. let's go to nour reporter in china. >> reporter: in this important bilateral relationship there were a number of thorny issues overshadowing a visit that was expected to be a bit tense but

got a little more riprickly, namely because before rex tillerson landed in beijing, a tweet from president trump did, that slammed china for not doing enough to defuse the situation with north korea. china's position has been the same, that it does what it can and recently imposed a ban on coal imports, a source of revenue for the regime. china favors diplomacy. but the position of rex tillerson is that years of diplomacy and sanctions have failed and there is a need for a new approach. here is what he had to say today. >> in a sense, the tensions on the peninsula are quite high right now. things have reached a rather dangerous level. and we've committed ourselves to do everything we can to prevent any type of conflict from breaking out. >> reporter: now, yesterday,

tillerson gave his strongest indication yet that no option is off the table and that the u.s. could be considering some sort of preemptive military strike against north korea. a big sticking point in this discussion is the u.s.-made missile defse system bein deployed in south korea and possibly expanding to japan, which china opposes. as far as china is concerned, there is already strategic upset in the region, and anything more drastic could lead to war. rex tillerson with meet with chinese president xi jinping ahead of the summit next month. >> thank you very much for that. gary electronlocke served a

commerce secretary and as the governor of washington. mr. ambassador, great to have you with us. cements that you heard there from secretary tillerson, in particular about tensions reaching a dangerous level. i know you've seen the threat of north korea's weapons capabilities escalate over a number of years. how worried are you now about them? >> well, given the unpredictability of the new leader in north korea, these are very dangerous times. and the united states and all of its allies in the region and even china are worried about what's happening in north korea as they develop not only the nuclear capability but the mechanism to deliver a nuclear weapon far beyond its borders. >> when you look at the historical trajectory of where north korea has gone, different presidents have different relationships with countries. president obama had a very engaged relationship with the chinese. that didn't seem to curb back north korea's nuclear program. you had president bush who put them in the category of an axis

of evil and that didn't succeed either. what is the approach in dealing with north korea, is the secretary of state correct if saying it's time for a new approach? >> well, everybody's been trying to a variety of different approaches. and we're just going to have to go at it with all options and all different mechanisms, economic as well as pressure, and defense systems, as your reporter talked about, that's being deployed in both south korea and in japan. china has been really tightening the screws on north korea. north korea depends on trade with china to survive. the people of north korea are very, very poor. they have virtually nothing that they can live off of. and it's very much subsistence living except for the top leaders who live in their palaces. and so china has been slowly increasing sanctions against north korea, not buying things from north korea, depriving north korea of funds.

there are some chinese companies that are still kind of serving as agents or arms dealers in giving north korea some money. the sanctions are intensifying. china has supported that. >> can i just -- >> these are really tough times. >> can i pick up on that, we hear that china is tightening the screws a little bit, but what is the tipping point for china to put an end to this? do they have to feel threatened by north korea to say that that is it, we are no longer going to keep north korea on a tight leash to use in our political negotiations or bartering with the united states? >> it's going to also require a diplomatic negotiation between the united states and china. china objects strongly, as your reporter indicated, to the antidefenanti defense missile system, that shield being set up. china feels that could be an offensive mechanism targeting china or that could be used

against china. china does not want a war on the peninsula, nor does the united states, because north korea has thousands of missiles and artillery shells that are aimed at south korea, which is just a few miles away. population centers of millions of people just within seconds away. and any type of a strike against north korea, and you should talk to -- maybe have some military people on your show, but they would say by the time we could launch anything against north korea, north korea would within seconds retaliate and launch their missiles and destroy the many population centers of south korea. so this is a very, very dangerous situation. and we're just going to have to look at all different types of options, from economi and diplomatic efforts to try to get north korea to stop developing nuclear weapons. >> you've sat in on high level meetings with chinese officials. you've talked the issue of north korea. today president trump says china is doing little to help in putting an end to this situation.

so what can the u.s. do with china to get china to do more in terms of what it wants to happen in north korea? >> well, china will have to try to exert diplomatic pressure on north korea. >> but what can the u.s. do to get china to do that? >> well, i think china understands just how fraught the situation is, because china also does not want the united states and its allies, whether the south koreans or the japanese, to be putting up more military options, defense shields, et cetera, et cetera, or deploying more troops to the area, because they also fear that. china does not want a collapse of north korea because they don't want south korea to reunify with north korea the way that we had the east and the west germans reunionfy many years ago, because china does not want a democratic country on its borders. so china is very concerned about it. they're concerned about the moves of the united states and the japanese and the south koreans.

so they have every incentive to try to get north korea to stop its nuclear program. china has really been tightening the screws and not buying stuff from north korea, not propping up north korea. but when the people of north korea are so poor, there's not much more that you can do, because you have a leader who is very irrational, who has even executed his own relatives and the families of his relatives because he think they may be not as hard line as he is and more sympathetic to deploymentiploma negotiations. he's executed people using antiaircraft guns. this guy is a brutal dictator. >> mr. ambassador, is it inevitable that we're going to live with a nuclear weapon -- a north korea that has the capability of striking the united states in the same way we live with china and russia that have those capabilities? >> i think all parties, including the chinese, and

especially the united states, do not ever want to see north korea with a capability of delivering nuclear weapons, ginn how unpredictable this leader is. >> all right. mr. ambassador, we'll have to leave it at that. i certainly appreciate your insights and your time this morning, thanks for joining us, sir. >> thank you. gaining momentum in the house, what president trump said to republican holdouts who had doubts over the new health care plan. ho! ( ♪ ) it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america's emissions. energy lives here. (bin einstein since he startede eating beneful. all while reducing america's emissions. the number one ingredient in it is beef. (einstein) the beef is fantastic!

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joke during a news conference with german chancellor angela merkel. joining me now is a political reporter for "the washington examiner" and a political reporter from "u.s. news & world report." gabby, i want you to help put the media in check. are we making too much of a big deal of reading into the body languages, the hanhakes, the cracked jokes, the missed jokes? you re at the white house yesterday for that news conference. obviously there has been a lot of discussion about that pool interaction, that awkwardness. how did it seem to you in person? >> you do think it was a bit awkward when chancellor merkel asked president trump if they wanted to shake hands and he didn't seem to notice that she was asking him that. but if you look at at the way they interacted during the news conference portion of their bilateral meetings, i think they were actually pretty comfortable with each other. and, you know, there almost was a moment when president trump

made that comment about the wiretapping and then having that in common, that you had to look at chancellor merkel and wonder whether or not she was smirking. i don't think she laughed at that, i don't think she was as amused as president trump's aides were. but i do i think it was a bit more relaxed and comfortable, they were interacting, talking about issues on which they agreed, some of which they disagreed. it was a little bit better than the pool photos, definitely. >> we woke up to president trump tweeting about germany's commitment to nato. where is this coming from, on the day after such an important first meeting where even by his own accounts, he called it great, and then this morning it seems like he's taking a bit of a shot at germany. >> yeah, the nato thing is something that the president has been on since way back in the campaign. this comes from a 2014 agreement that each of the member nations

of nato were going to pay 2% of their gdp into nato. germany is a little over 1. they have until 2020 to meet the goal. these agreements aren't really new. but the fact that the president is sort of holding the member nations' feet to the fire is a little bit different. it's clearly a sore point with him. i said during the press conference that he really respects nato but his rhetoric in other venues hasn't necessarily been quite so positive on the organization. e'senng mixed signals here. and it's clearly something that he has in mind that's part of one of the things that he ran on, was having other allies, american allies paying their fair share for international defense. and this is something that he has really been focused on. his language was maybe a little softer yesterday, but the tweets this morning i think show that it's still very much on his mind. >> all right. let's switch gears a little bit

and talk about health care, gabby. we know that republicans, they're pretty confident, at least sources telling nbc news, that the bill that they have will certainly pass, they believe they can go ahead and schedule that vote which they already have done for this thursday. what's your sense for how president trump was able to win over the group of republicans that met yesterday with the president, and how confident do you think republicans are really, that they're going to hit that 216 benchmark? >> i spoke with a gop leadership aide yesterday who mentioned that the white house was adamant about getting conservatives to support this bill. so not just those 13 members of the republican study committee who met with president trump yesterday, but also members of the house freedom caucus who remain holdouts on this legislation. several other members of the republican constituestudy commi have yet to get behind it. they're looking at this manager's amendment that will allow them to offer concessions that appeal to conservatives who don't feel like the legislation

goes far enough to repeal obamacare and to roll back government's involvement in health care. and in the health care industry. that's what we saw yesterday during this meeting. president trump said that he is eager to give states more flexibility on medicaid. he offered an optional work requirement for medicaid that states could look at, something that these conservative lawmakers have been pushing for. there is flexibility. it seems the white house is working to try and get this through the houses and then let the senate make their own adjustments. >> gabrielle, it seems that just as quickly as the president is trying to shore up republican support for health care, he started talking about budget cuts, and now you've created a bit of division even among republicans. the office of management and budget director mick mulvaney defended those program ts, particularly to programs like meals on wheels. let me get your reaction to this. >> my mother-in-law prior to her passing on, she had meals on wheels at her apartment, five

days a week. it's not seven days a week. they bring that extra meal for on the weekends. and it was her way also to know that she was safe. this is the president's budget. i'm not sure where the details came from. i can pretty much assure america the congressional budget, and when we get into appropriations, meals on wheels is a wonderful program. it is one i would never vote to cut even one dollar. >> that was representative chris collins, one of the earliest supporters if not the earliest elected official to support donald trump. he's breaking away from the president very clearly on this issue of funding for programs like meals on wheels. do you think we're going to see other republicans coming out against this? what are the implications of it if it does happen? >> oh, absolutely. we've had republicans come out against the cuts on meals on wheels. republicans coming out against the complete elimination of budget for national document for

the arts, national endowment for the humanities. it's no surprise that somebody like mick mulvaney is pushing for these rather draconian cuts to programs for the arts and sciences, it's the kind of congressman he was. he has always had these -- pushed for the smallest government possible, so it's no surprise at all. but when it actually comes to enacting these policies, republicans have talked about a big game but often when it comes to making them policy, they are a little bit more reluctant when it's clear that especially with programs like meals on wheels, that despite what the omb director might have said at the white house, actually do have really obvious benefits. millions of people are getting fed. so it doesn't look good for them. and i think a lot of these lawmakers know that. that being said, the president's budget is not a law, it's not a bill. this is going to be up to congress to put together their own appropriations packages. and i would venture a guess that we're not going to see some of

these cuts. >> that's always the reminder, this is the budget the president wants, not necsarily the budget he's going to get. it's great to have both of you with us, thanks for joining this morning. >> thanks, aman. still ahead, a look at whether president trump's budget proposal will actually reduce the national debt. are your allergies holding you back or is it your allergy pills? break through your allergies. introducing flonase sensimist. more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. using unique mistpro technology,

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welcome back, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin at msnbc headquarters in new york. breaking news from france, officials are trying to determine if an incident at the orley airport is terrorism-related. a soldier was wrestled to the ground. earlier in the day, a woman's car was stolen at gunpoint. less than two hours from now, vice president mike pence will make the case for the new gop health care plan in florida where he's meeting with small

business leaders. there he is getting ready to head over -- then afterwards he'll head over to jacksonville. marianna, what do we expect to hear from the vice president today? >> reporter: ayman, we're expecting the vice president here at 2:30 here in jacksonville after he meets with that group of local business owners behind closed doors. he'll address a small crowd at this paper supply companyehind me. this is invitation only. he'll be joined by gop governor rick scott. this comes after several republican members of congress have said they cannot support the bill in its current form. miami congresswoman ileana ros-lehtinen going as far as to say she'll be voting no. she even tweeted a couple of days ago, i want to read the tweet to you, ayman, "as the american health care act stands, it will cut much-needed help for south florida's poor and elderly

populations. need a plan that will do more to protect them." her district has the highest number of obamacare enrollees in the entire country, we're talking almost a hundred thousand people in miami-dade county. as you know, the plan's rate increases will hurt low-income people and seniors the most. and florida is of course a state with a high retiree population. so that's why those florida votes, the trump administration cannot afford to lose. they can't afford to lose more than 21 republican votes when they bring this bill to a vote before the full house as early as next thursday. and they're pushing hard for it to be that day. you know why, ayman? because next thursday will be the seven-year anniversary of the day obamacare passed. >> a little bit of irony there in politics, marianna atencio, thanks for joining us.

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trump supporters are reacting to the gop's replacement health care plan. nbc's vaughn hilliard has been on the road speaking to trump backers in rural areas across several states. today he joins us from baton rouge, louisiana. vaughn, what do they want to see happen? >> reporter: ayman, so the house is expected to vote on that replacement bill come thursday. but here in trump's america, i visited mississippi, oklahoma, texas, louisiana, back to mississippi. the interesting part, when you're talking to these trump voters, these are deeply red

conservative areas, places that voted 80% by those margins for donald trump, what you hear is still a demand for greater health care coverage. they believe the affordable care act ultimately increased premiums, increased deductibles and they did not like the fact that they were required to buy health insurance. a lot of these places, they don't have a hospital within 45 minutes of where they are. if you go out to a place like sayer, oklahoma, they had their hospital closed a year ago. they have one doctor in town, an 87-year-old gentleman, who has practically been serving the community since 1960. they don't have a cardiologist. they say, we don't even have that great accesses. i want to play you some sound bites, this is from a deep red conservative area in mississippi, i think you'll be interested in what their response was on what a replacement plan should look like. >> the money they're giving all these other countries, everybody in america should have free insurance. >> universal would help

everybody. >> it should be like canada. we work hard for our money. we should be able to get the heal carweeed. >> reporter: louisiana just passed medicaid expansion one year ago. i talked to a woman here who said we should take advantage of medicaid expansion. at the time she wasn't eligible. but under this gop plan, come 2020 they would put a freeze on enrollments as part of medicaid. she said for now she's trying to take advantage of what she can under the ability she has timotat this point in time. you go to oklahoma, the doctor who is a hero in the community, 30 to 40% of the patients he sees do not have health insurance. he covers their bill entirely. he said he's at the point in life where you've just got to cut your losses and take care of your community, ayman. >> absolutely a remarkable doctor. we talk about policy so much and bills and legislation, but it really does come down and affect ordinary people. vaughn hillyard, thank you very much.

we appreciate it. no evidence of wiretapping trump tower during the presidential campaign. so why does president trump continue to talk about it? we'll try to answer that, next. and in the next hour, the scandal enveloping the marine corps. we talk to a former marine who says the problem has been ignored by the leadership. ♪ (music plays throughout) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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bill. peter emerson, and a columnist for "time." great to have all of you with us. is this bill becoming a political liability for republicans? just the mention of it, even when she would say the word, people would start to boo. >> it's been incredibly divisive. the power of disruption, when you've got 22 million people who are dependent on obamacare, and the idea that that could, poof, go away, is scaring some of trump's biggest supporters. attitudes have changed among grassroots lower income republicans towards health care. this is something that he knows could be really politically tenuous for him. >> health is the most powerful emotional issue there is. you touch it in the wrong way and you ignite fear. and fear beats everything on the table. elise is absolutely right. >> given that point, then, when

you look at the republicans and the options that they have, they campaigned on the promise to repeal obamacare. and so obviously for them, that's like a cornerstone of the platform they think they got elected on. they've got to deliver on that. if they just water it down or modify it or let it exist it's going to be seen as a victory for the democrats. what's more important for them? the actual perception of victory that they repealed obamacare, or the fact that they run the risk of putting this bill on the table and creating the havoc in the health care system that elise is talking about? >> the operative word is "perception." donald trump has the capacity to say, no matter what happens, it was extraordinarily successful, america is better for it. so ultimately, as long as they don't tamper and have people in the streets, older people, high risk, preexisting conditions, in the street demonstrating, they can maybe find their way through this, thread a way through. >> i think. but at the same time, it's going to be really hard for this administration, i think, to

execute the actual changes. you look at how disruptive obamacare was initially, the website not working. i don't have confidence in the trump administration to competently administer this. >> let me ask you this quickly, elise. your former boss, rand paul, is a physician. he's been very critical of this health care bill. what does he want to see done? >> he wants to see it be more of a market-based system. he also wants it to get rid of a lot of the regulation, where people can't individually go with pools, professionally, automakers want to have their own insurance. he wants to make it so people can come together so it's not as employment-dependent. but he also thinks that this is just another new -- this is keeping the obamacare mandate, essentially. >> go ahead. >> there's a huge people that's missing in all of this debate. that's the actual cost of health care. that's at the hospital. and also the fact here in new york with five hospitals, each having a cat scan, why is it

efficient? it's not. and ultimately the consumer and the government is paying for that. so you need a wholesale readjustment of the actual delivery system to have an actual and realistic debate about all this. >> the republican argument is that this health care system that currently exists with obamace is going to implode by itself if nothing is done. and trump has even said politically that's the more convenient thing, just let the thing collapse. you have insurers pulling out, a lot of districts covered by a single insurer. why are they trying to take it on if they believe that wholeheartedly? >> ultimately there may be a push by some of the trump people, not trump himself, he demonstrated yesterday he doesn't even know what's in the bill, he was dismissive of the fact that most of his voters will be victims of this. but there may be some, actually elise has suggested this, some sense of populism, that we might be able to see a radical change that would benefit many, many more people. that's up to i think powers far

greater than i imagined. >> politically, is there an opportunity for democrats here? >> oh, there's always opportunities. whether the democrats really have the courage and the forthrightness and the unity most of all to come forward and really stand up. >> and this week, another hot button issue, the budget. the white house getting a lot of heat even from some republicans that budget proposals are really hitting in areas that they don't want hit. you had meals on wheels, national endowment for the arts, corporation for public broadcasting. is this something that is going to also divide republicans as we've seen already, just as they're trying to shore up support for health care? >> there are a lot of items in this proposed budget which, let's be honest, it's not going to go anywhere. >> why isn't it going to go anywhere, do you think? >> this is nothing that congress would ever agree to, it's simply too draconian. number one being the cuts to the state department, they want to cut the state department by 29%.

that's something that you aren't going to have republicans coming out to make that kind of dramatic cut. >> does that help president trump to come out and saying, that's the swamp, they're not giving me the budget that i want? will he play that card? >> ehh -- >> let me play you this sound bite from mick mulvaney. >> when you start looking at places that will reduce spending, can we really continue to ask a coal miner in west virginia or a single mom in detroit to pay for these programs. the answer is no. we can ask them to pay for defense but can't ask them to continue to pay for the corporation for public broadcasting. >> i could be wrong, a single mother or coal miner in west virginia may also be benefiting from some of these programs that they also want to cut. am i wrong in making that assumption? they may not want to pay for it but they're also benefiting from it. >> they are benefiting from it. >> he's only making the argument

that it's costing them, they're not benefiting from it. >> this is death panels all over again. you take a couple of words, because language has enormous power, and you talk about that mom or that coal miner, and you convince them that the only issue on the table is the corporation for public broadcasting. >> they made it easy. they made it easy, the job easy, to attack this budget, by picking out these, you know, visceral issues, meals for senior citizens. i would be shocked, this could be the best thing that's ever happened to the program. >> i will put this caveat, having lived through the reagan era, the assumption was if you cut federal support for various not for profit institutions, museums, community theaters, musical programs which have been proven wildly successful with young people in keeping them off the street and doing extremely well academically, the private sector would step in with money, and it turned out to be wrong. >> the private sector did not. >> it did not. >> great to have both of you

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u.s. tourism is facing a travel slump in donald trump's travel ban is partially to blame. but it's not just countries included in thean area that are souring on u.s. in fact, a research from the track 16 million airline booking a day found inbound travel to the united states from around the globe fell 6.5% during the period that the original travel ban was in effect. joining me now the executive director of the global business travel association. great to have you with us. help us explain this, or understand it. why are we seeing a drop in tourism across the board? is it related to what's happening domestically here in the u.s. politically? >> it certainly is. i mean, we've created a tremendous amount of uncertainty

as a result of the executive orders that have been issued. it's impacting both business and leisure travel. from a business perspective you have low risk travellers that are documented, used to moving through the system very efficiently that are concerned about the impact that this is going to have on their ability to conduct business. >> but when you're looking at it from the perspective of some of those travellers, why is the atmosphere, the politics affecting them traveling into the united states? in particular with the travel ban and the legal challenges they face? >> yeah, it's driven perception. perception is that somehow we've changed our attitudes and we are no longer open for business. when we surveyed european travel managers who do the bookings, who contract for travel here in the u.s., ey told us that 45% of their progrs are going to be reduced. they're going to spend less money on meetings and event business here in the u.s. over the coming weeks and months.

so that uncertainty has many impacts and ripples across the system. >> a recent survey that your agency found, 45% of european business travel professionals say they're less likely to schedule meetings or events in the u.s. that will have a trickle down effect on our economy? >> it should. business travel drive said business growth. when business is growing, when travel is growing and companies are putting people on the road to conduct their business t drives the economy. it also works against you the other way. 1% reduction in business travel, can have a $5 billion impact on gdp. about a $1.2 billion impact on tax collection. so -- >> go ahead, sorry. >> no, it really -- again, those perceptions have impacts far and wide. now we'll see what happens as the executive order if it does

get put in place, has the dramatic impacts that we're seeing. it certainly is having a perception impact now. >> yeah, and i was just so fascinated by that. i wanted to ask you this question, which was i know that your agency has actually done similar surveys. but interestingly, yay this is unlike anything you've eve seen before. why do you think that is? >> i think because, again, it hits to the very heart of traveller perception. and our kind of -- hits to the freedom we have to move among borders, to conduct our business. and if you look at the economy, the recovery of the u.s. economy over the last seven years, the single biggest driver of that recovery was international outbound business travel. we've changed forever in terms of the way business is done. where business is done. it's done global. every business is global now and

relies on the ability to travel and travel internationally. because of that, it does have a big impact on our economy. >> very quickly, is america damaged by the travel bans? >> it hasn't helped. business travel is resilience, overall. we've seen that time and time again. in this case what we hope is we can get back to business and really get people feeling that the u.s. is a good place to do business again. >> we'll have to wait and see how this plays out in the courts. great too have you with thus. i'm ayman mohyeldin, thanks for watching, my colleague is picking up this hour. stay with us. (announcer vo) when you have type 2 diabetes,

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