tv Lockup San Quentin--- Extended Stay MSNBC March 19, 2017 8:00pm-9:01pm PDT
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america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down. >> among the nation's most notorious institutions, san quentin state prison, our cameras spent months documenting life on the inside where gangs, drugs, and sheer boredom make up a violent mix. this is "lockup" san quentin extended stay.
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san quentin is home to more than 5,000 inmates ranging from the most violent offenders in california. >> i tell you, i'll rob you in a minute. don't get me wrong. >> and i pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in the chest. >> to the all too common parole violators flooding the system. >> i do drugs. >> the overpopulated san quentin serve as the reception center for 17 counties in california. >> there's 384 inmates in this gym. right now i have six staff members. >> it's forced to house a dangerous mix of high and low-risk inmates. >> you got the drugs, you got the inmate manufactured alcohol, you got the gangs, you got the weapons. it can be real dangerous at times. >> i've been a pretty successful robber.
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>> level 4 inmates, the worst in california, are housed at san quentin while awaiting permanent transfer to other facilities. >> i used to rob stores, you know, and that in itself is a rush that you can't explain. it's like, e www, i can own the world, i can do whatever i want. it's better than any ceo in the world. i can instruct you to do whatever i want you to do with ace pistol to you, you know? it's an adrenaline you can never get from anything else. unfortunately there's a consequence to it. because, you know, i got to strike my years as double, which is like up to 521 years. and i got 11 consecutive life terms. >> i know why i'm here, but i can see why most of you are
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here. hill a stupid. >> in our three months of taping, we never heard an inmate so willing to detail his own crime, especially with an appeal pending. >> i've invaded many a homes. not necessarily the ones i was convicted for. i have invaded other people's homes, you know. people that play the same game i play, sell drugs, whatever. i go in this home. >> how did you get in? >> through the front door. how do you get in? >> it wasn't locked? >> oh, of course. if it's locked, you go through it. you breakdown the door. alarm goes off, each of us take a room, got to cover everybody at one time because it could be dangerous. you can get killed just as well. i take a room, which happened to be a son's room. kick him, wake up. wakes up, flashlight in his eyes, in a black room, he doesn't know what's going on.
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snatch him up, throw him down, put his ankles together, zip them up, hands together, zip them up. it looked like he was like somebody in high school. he had trophies, you know, all them little athletic sport guy, you know, playing football. you can tell. things like that, you know. so, i could see him trying to be hero or something for his family, you know. so, that was my concern, okay. maybe he might be a threat. not that i'm really worried about it. it just means i might have to do something i don't want to do such as shoot him or whatever, you know. i'm not going to fight. i'm not here to see who can win. i'm here to win. at this time it's calling out to his little sister which is just right next door almost. you know, that's my little sister. she's only 14, bro, leave her alone, this and that. that's fine. i'm not worried about her, i'm
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worried about you right now. i guess the father came down from the stairs, turned the alarm off. at that time he was greeted by other people instructed him to turn the alarm off. once you got it under control, it's going to sound like a dirt bag, but i'm just keeping it real. you can actually sit down, drink one of their sodas, make one of their sandwiches, hell, you can watch an hour of tv, if you want. you can leave in their car when you're done. >> and that 14 year old girl, put yourself in her shoes. do you think you've changed anybody's life -- >> most definitely. i mean, i've wrecked on my bicycle when i was a kid. i remember that. let alone something like this, i mean, i didn't say i didn't have no remorse for them. you asked me the story, i told you. as once said, you live by the
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gun, you die by the gun. there is so much truth to that. i died physically. emotionally i might have died. i got to do forever here, you know. a lot of people like, man, you got good spirits, how do you do it? i couldn't imagine being in your situation. i'm like, well, you know what? i think i deserve this, you know? i knew better when i was doing what i was doing. i knew the consequence, i knew the rules to the game. i played it, i lost. now to sit here and be miserable and make other people miserable because of my wrongdoings, that's not the right way to be, you know? i know how to live comfortable in here. >> coming up on "lockup" extended stay, nearly 20 years on death row, now he's out. >> i wanted the death penalty,
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san quentin is home to the only operating execution chamber in california, and a condemned row that houses the highest level inmates in the state. >> as of today we have 644 inmates on death row, and 622 of them are currently housed at san quentin. the other 22 are either out to corridor, seeking medical attention somewhere, possibly in federal jurisdiction outside of the state. >> san quentin's condemned row houses california's most heinous criminals. such as the man who killed 12-year-old pollee klaas richard
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alan davis which led to three strikes. and peterson convicted of murdering his pregnant wife. >> we don't allow filming in condemned row simply because it's department policy. >> though denied access to condemned row, our producers found an inmate who lived there for nearly 20 years. >> when i arrived on death row it was in the winter of '91. i remember because it was real cold. it was ice sickles on the ground. my condition for the death penalty was double felony. the murder then the robbery. but, you know, if you move a person from one spot to another in certain many feet it's kidnap. so, they claimed it was kidnap. there was another felony on there. during that time i was young, i was wild, i was angry. the jury verdict was -- it wasn't something i didn't
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expect. so, you know, at that time and point i wanted the death penalty, to be honest with you because i wanted to come up here and, know, hang out until i was executed. but then that changed as time went on. death row is the worst place on the planet. i mean, you've been sentenced to die, extinks, you know, that's it, the finality. you stay in your cell for orientation for several days until you meet the committee. and then you go meet the committee, and that's when the process really starts. from that point forward, then that's when you start to realize you're really on death row. a lot of people can't deal with it so they commit suicide, or they become introverts and they start to go crazy. my case was overturned in 2003 for a ba receire tta violation.
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it was sent back to trial. i lost the trial again. it hung on the death penalty. they decided after several months not to do the death penalty. they sent me back to san quentin. it feels good to be off of death row. it hasn't sunken in yet, it will in time, but it hasn't yet. they removed me from death row and put me in the reception center. the reception center is the most disgusting place in san quentin. i don't know how i ended up over there, but they moved my a-1-a status which means i was programming, i was receiving all the benefits of cramming, contact visits, packages, you know, yard, but they put me in reception center status which is zero status. you receive nothing. you sit in the cell for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, two days out of the week you get yard for
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three hours and the rest of the time you're stuck in the cell. in a small cell with a cellie, i haven't had a cellie in 20 years. that's hard, learning cell etiquette. i'm a fish out of water. >> he hasn't learned yet. they should have gave him attention before he got in the cell, mental attention. dude got issues still. >> you spend 20 years on death row, you'd have issues, too. >> i was lucky, i was very lucky and they put me in a cell with a older black gentleman who has been around and, you know, he's open to teaching me. so, he's teaching me about cell etiquette and prison etiquette again because i don't know about prison etiquette any longer. i don't even know about death row etiquette which is different from main line etiquette. >> this is what we do all day.
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he says the stupid est thing in his mind and we play cards. that's what we do all day every day. >> in case you're interested, if you see this woman right here anywhere, you tell her write me. and i mean that. [ laughter ] >> and he's serious. >> with a full life now ahead of him, omar's focus is turned to helping others. >> now i want to live. i want to live and i want to accomplish things. i want to help the young brothers. i want to help my people. during my incarceration, i've learned math and a bunch of other things, history and i would like to share some of this stuff with some of the young brothers coming in prisons from the community i come from who i know are going to come to prison. they're going to have dates and when they leave prison they're going to leave prison with the same thing they came to prison with, nothing. and i want to give these brothers basic education, teach them basic malthematics, basic
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reading. this is not it. they don't want to come here spend the rest of their life and be told what to do. they want to be free. maybe when they go home they'll feel good about themselves, take care of their family, take care of their children and help another brother, you know. >> coming up on "lockup" extended stay, inmates unleash their long suppressed rage. >> it's frustrated and hated, ask even more, now the hatred is so bad my heart is cold. i'm phil mickelson, pro golfer. my psoriatic arthritis caused joint pain. just like my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. and i was worried about joint damage. my doctor said joint pain from ra... can be a sign of existing joint damage... that could only get worse. he prescribed enbrel to help
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despite temporarily housing some of the worst inmates in california, san quentin is actually a level 2 facility, permanently housing mainly lower level inmates who are serving out life sentences. >> i have been in prison 29 years this december. i was arrested at age 21 for a second degree murder, and i've
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been incarcerated ever since. i was so young i just felt, you know what, my life is over. i got a life sentence. it's over and i came to prison and i started in the same behavior. i was like for the first nine years, i was using whatever i could, drugs, prison alcohol, just trying to do anything that i could to escape the reality of my situation and what i had done, you know. and it's just self-medicating, the same i was on the street. all the pain and everything that came up for me, that was my solution, to self-medicate and that's what i did. >> he discovered a passion for counseling others. >> i've been in 12-step programs for, oh, gees, probably about 18 years now, 19 years. but the current program i'm in,
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it's called arc, it's addiction recovery counseling. >> it's a four-month program which is a state of the art addiction treatment program. it's the first one ever in the world as far as we know that's completely run and has counselors who are inmates, who are trained inmates. >> it's one thing to sit across the desk from somebody in a suit and tie who is not in recovery, who has never been there, that doesn't have -- know the first thing about getting busted going in a county jail or going through a prison experience. it's a whole 'nother thing when you've got a guy sitting across from him, right, that's been there, that can totally relate to what this guy is saying. >> in addition to helping his fellow inmates, rusty hopes his efforts may influence his parole. >> i work my points down through the years after coming into a level 2 facility, and i've been to the board 17 times. i've received 17 one-year
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denials. i've been disciplinary free for 19 years, and in memory of the victim and -- there's nothing i can do to take back what i've caused. all i can do is change who i am and all i can do is serve, serve man kind, serve humanity anyway possible to make up for what i did. ♪ lord, i am tired of being lied on ♪ >> boy, i tell you one thing about san quentin, we got flavor here. we got flavor. >> programs like the annual poetry slam provide inmates a creative release, helping them to avoid potential disciplinary write ups and longer sentences. >> nobody slap reap, now i fall to my knees and raise my hands to the top.
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it's like buried alive but yet refusing to die. i used to rob to get high. now i fall to my knees and raise my hands to the top. it's like i'm buried alive and i stretch to the walls. it's like i'm buried alive, alive, alive, alive, alive. [ applause ] >> this is the san quentin poetry slam here sponsored by the university. i believe this is the fifth, this is the first time i actually participated in it. >> judges, let us see the scores for brother montgomery. we got a 10, a 10, a 10, a 9.3 to 10. we're going to drop 9.3, drop the 10, and he got a 30. >> ms. d was twisting strands of braided brown hair around
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scarlet fingertips. resting her palm on willow tree hips. >> this is titled, the funeral. wait a minute. let me get in character. [ laughter ] >> she seemed really sweet. sent her flowers. car nation rose and smell of green. like a wedding you can sit where you want. no usher, bride or groom. funny, all women, but in black. >> i think i'm going to do pretty good on the poetry. i'm a little nervous, i don't fully remember my noem but i think it will come when i get up there. please excuse me if this is a little graphic. i will cut as much as the cussing as i can out. [ laughter ] >> keep it real, boy. keep it real, though, boy. >> i am. ready? who would have thought the penal law would send your boy to juvenile hall, 15 to life for
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taking another life but never consider when the fact that he wasn't right. a cold blooded murderer who only thinks of his fing self, crying for f-ing help. grew up in the ghetto and don't know nothing else, all he see is death and killing so what the hill. see my mom get beat and kicking my as until i got so tired i stabbed my new dad. i said new dad because my father wasn't right. he used to do the same thing, beating her every night until the ultimatum of his kids and alcohol. knocking down every pitcher and mirror that's on the wall. a bunch of bs and hoes as he walked out the door. slammed the door never saw him no more until i got older and finally answered the phone and there i was listening to his voice trying to sew. dug out of my heart but it wouldn't close because i'm frustrated and hated, now the hatred is so bad my heart is cold. that was no reason for you to leave me and go. now i'm a bastard and i don't want to see you no mo. [ applause ]
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>> short people really got a lot of pent up anger. don't call me dad. judges, we need a score for mighty mouse that just went. we have a 9.5, a 10 plus, a 9 touch-tone 5, 9.8, 9.8. so, the winner is. who is first? that's all i want to know. >> montgomery. >> montgomery, please come up to the mic. [ applause ] >> i did good. i came in second place. that's good. some people say i got cheated, but no, that was very great. it was fun all the way around. this is my first time entering. maybe next year i'll come back and win it. i'll put together some more material, some better material and try to take it all. >> next on "lockup: extended stay," in for parole violation, this could earn him permanent
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i'm dara brown with the hour's top stories. a very big day in washington monday. president trump's supreme court nominee judge neil gorsuch will begin his confirmation hearings. if he's confirmed he will replace the late justice antonin scalia. also director james comey will testify in front . house intelligence committee. he is expected to refute president trump's wiretapping claims against president obama, and also address allegations of the trump campaign's ties to russia. now back to "lockup." ♪ daddy, when are you coming
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home, we don't want to spend another christmas with you gone ♪ ♪ mama cries most every night, she's always feeling blue ♪ ♪ daddy, we don't want to spend another christmas without you ♪ >> san quentin's a unit houses level one and two inmates, parole violators serving short sentences. >> down here it's a little more laid back atmosphere with the inmates. at any time they could turn on you. before i was working in donner
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section. >> when we first met c.o., he deflt wi dealt with high-level. now he operates in a dorm setting. >> i now have 200 inmates and it's only me. going to the other side of the spectrum. everything down here is observation, watching, listening, getting a feel for the dorm. if you're always watching you can tell when something is starting to go bad, hopefully stop it before it gets bad. but things happen down here all the time. you have a lot of drugs down here. my partner found two hypodermic needles in this dorm two or three days ago. he got the drugs. he got the inmate manufactured alcohol. he got the gangs, he got the weapons. so, it can be real dangerous at times. i got to do three searches a day. we pick them randomly. this guy i haven't done since i been down here. it's his lucky day.
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got to get in the locker. >> okay, you guys got me in trouble. >> go and unlock your locker. >> lock it? >> my locker is unlocked. >> whose that? >> mine is lock. can i get something out of mine real quick? [ bleep ], come on, man. >> this is the first time i think my house got hit. i'm just doing a violation. i got like nine days left. >> though parole violations bring these inmates to prison, internal violations could keep them herein definitely. >> i'm looking for weapons, drugs, any type of contraband, stuff like this. he's got this, probably make a legal stinger out of it, to heat up food, whatever. stuff like that, they can't have. it will blow out the power back here.
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>> long time, i've had this number since 1982. i'm not catching all the terms or nothing like that. i'm just having a hard time with parole right now. i do drugs. that's my violation right there. there goes my lighter. am i going to get wrote up? >> explain it. >> saltwater lighter. all you do is put paper clips through here and there, you got a hot one going from here to there. save thing here. then you run a wire from one to the other. fill this full of water and put two salts in it. it won't blow a circuit that way. it's a wire, you plug it in and this gets red hot. >> for what? >> to light cigarettes. not that i smoke. i don't smoke.
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[ laughter ] >> i was holding it for a friend, yeah. >> you know we're taking this stuff. let's take a walk up front real quick. take it to the podium. >> this write up may be minor, but enough violations could earn an inmate a segregation. >> from 2001, i'm on parole right now, i've been on parole the last three years. so, i'm just getting violations out of the cage and getting violations. i came to prison now for a dui. 90 days with half, six-month drug program. i'm in ad seg because i left last time, a year and a half
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ago, they gave me assault on a staff. since i was in the shoe when i left, they brought me back in the hold. that's how they do it. i'm here waiting to go to icc to find out when they're going to let me get out. >> matthew usually returns to prison for petty crimes. he has a history of committing more serious offenses behind bars. >> he's capable of a lot of violence in custody in the prison system. and, in fact, he hasn't been in a general population setting since i think maybe 2003, and that's because he keeps getting in trouble. he batters the officers. he's resistant. he uses alcohol in custody. ♪ >> how are you doing, warden? >> good. how are you? >> good. >> this is institution classification committee.
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this is for administrative segregation inmates, and this is a due process issue where we bring them in, review why they're in ad seg and go over the issues why they're locked up in ad seg and what they can expect from here. >> cdc number, sir? >> matthew national t 45854. >> your subsequent icc. classification committee is warden ayer. >> you were last incarcerated at corcoran state prison. you were retained. you have done your shoe related time. therefore, the recommendation is to release you to the rctp. if you have any problems with being released? >> yes, i got to go to gp because i'm not a gp. i dropped out. >> are you in a gang? >> yes, i am affiliated with the gang, yes. >> you're a drop out of what? >> out of the woods.
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but right now i'm just concerned about my housing where i'm going to be housed. that's all i'm worried about right now. >> by releasing him today we can make him a-1 status and that will give him the opportunity to parole today. so, it doesn't matter where you're going to be housed at. we can go ahead and release you and keep you here pending your parole. >> do you understand that, national? >> yes. >> okay. so, if we grant you a one-time for the time you've been in ad seg, then they take this up and run it through records office, and you parole today. do you understand that? >> yes. >> okay. >> yeah. >> okay. >> we're going to go ahead and release you today, officially release you today. have a nice day. >> you'll be staying in your cell until they come get you to take you to rnr. >> thank you. >> you have the right to appeal. >> they said i was going to get released today and when i come back to prison, i won't come back to the hole.
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>> matthew's transition to freedom proves to be more come pl p -- complicated than he anticipated. >> how are you doing? >> sit in the chair. all right. we thought you were going home, too. you know how before you go home the analyst takes a look at your case, sees if anybody is interested in you. the sonoma county office is interested in you and you have a health and safety violation and contempt of court. >> they had i had to be there -- i had to -- i had -- officer in custody, they said i had to go their dui class 21 days after my, um, after my, um, relesion from the court date. and i never got released because i got four days time served and i got a violation here.
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i was never out to make it over there. i was not, i figured they would take care of t you know, i guess apparently they didn't. >> it's going to be a ride home. $20,000 bail. they're misdemeanors. you're not going to get more time for it. we're making arrangements for you. we didn't tell you when it was going to happen. do you have any questions? >> uh, no, i guess that's as plain as day, you know what i'm saying? >> we didn't know. we thought you were on the way out the door, too. things pop up. all right. >> thank you, guys. >> you bet. take care. >> matthew leaves san quentin. but instead of going home, he's headed straight to county jail. >> so, we're finished with him now. if he violates his parole, if he commits another felony, we might see him again. >> next on "lockup: extended
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pretty good. >> it's an open environment. there's -- right now i have six staff members. >> [ bleep ]. >> you're doing a good job of it, too. >> breaking all my rights. >> another day on the job. >> almost all the individuals down here are parole violators. they've been out on parole, couldn't hack it. got picked up for something, they sent them back in here. they generally do six months, under a year, something of that nature. either they go main line to another institution and do the rest of their time or they're released back out on parole. prison system is severely overcrowded. beds are at a premium. this is the rc overflow. we house 384 individuals. the gym being it's an open doorm we have tvs. we're considered the luxury suites. i have three sets of showers.
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they're broken down by race in the gym. they self-segregate. we don't tell them where to g. the end shower is whites. middle shower is blacks. the right is hispanics and others. the tables in the day room are broken up into races. >> table for others. >> we're others. >> we're not gang members. other than black, other than white. >> this guy is an american indian, native american. >> this brings us together as one. >> it's a show of unity. everybody eats. we don't have to eat, but that's how you show love. >> it's anyone's table. we're just playing a game here. i mean, it's just certain races that you can play games with right here. and for white people it's -- what is it? >> ami, american indians, that's pretty much about it, isn't it?
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and pies ease. there's three different types of mexicans. sa ren yos, nor tan yos and pisos. we can sit with pisos. don't ask me why. but we can't play like with the black folks. i would get beat up. you could get in a fight over it. that's just the way it is. there's more racism here than there is, you know, in civilization. for sure. if you don't come in prejudice, you might leave prejudice. >> anything we take for granted on the outside is worth money. books go for a premium in here. food is worth money. soups are 20 cents apiece. that's prison money. >> inmates will use virtually anything for bartering. many items not issued by the prison can be purchased in the canteen. >> they love these ice creams. we carry a full variety, at
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least four or five flavors. >> the number? >> t 764. >> a spoon with that. >> yes, please. >> when the guy comes to get the orders filled, we have the worker fill the order by what he puts on this list right here. if they've got enough money, we'll fill it. we'll fill it up to the point that they run out of money. so, if ice cream is on the end of the list and they run out of money, they don't get the ice cream. >> thank you. they have different categories of guys. >> if you have what you call a-1-a status which is the highest status, credit rating highest status you can have, you can spend up to $180 at the canteen. it goes down to whatever your status is. you may have gotten in some trouble. you may be in the lock up unit, you can only spend $70, some can spend $90. it shows purchasing power. >> there you go. >> these are just some of the things we handle. they got the chili cheese chips,
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potato chips. as you can see there's all types of sodas. we're loaded on coffee. candy bars, of course, cookies are big, the ram en, the nood lz are the biggest seller. they buy those cases at a time. that's the staple of what they make. >> i just spent all my money. >> these are some of the things we have to take off the containers of milk. things you take for granted in your home, this could be made into a slashing device. so, we have to remove these for the condemned especially. >> give me that. [ laughter ] >> that's what you got to worry about. >> next, on "lockup: extended
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while serving life sentences, some level 2 inmates participate in squires, an outreach program for at-risk youth. ♪ ♪ welcome everybody >> good morning, gentlemen. my name is shiab. what we need you to understand, you're at san quentin this morning. you're at a place no kid should ever want to be in. you should be out playing
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somewhere in a park. but you're here because of something you did. >> every saturday, we bring in groups of kids from san francisco, oakland, richmond, all over. you're not going to scare them with the little story that i'm a murderer and i'm in prison doing life. that doesn't scare anybody anymore. >> what you want to know, that this is your life, man. you have an opportunity to leave out of this place and never come back. >> we try to show them this is what could happen if you keep doing what you're doing. >> all right, you guys. where you guys is at right now, you guys is in r and r, which is receiving and release. when you decide you guys wants to commit crimes and the judge sentences you to a certain amount of time, this is the first place you're going to go when you get off of that bus. for you guys who like to wear your nice shoes, who like to wear nike, michael jordan, all of that good clothes, polo, when you come here, all of that's
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gone. this is your polo. these are your nikes. these are your filas and your reeboks. that's your fubu. this is your michael jordan gear. this is your polo. this is your nice 501 jeans, you guys. this is what you guys sell yourself for. who speaks spanish here? can you read that? [ speaking spanish ] >> what does that mean? >> something about sexual assault. >> sexual assault. they warning you about sexual assault in prison, how to protect yourself against it. >> the inmates are in essence the deterrent that will guide these youth back to a life of contributing to society. >> this is the building we live in, north block. and this building they have little small cells that are 9 x 4, nine feet tall, four feet wide. that's smaller than a walk-in closet, you guys, but yet two men live in those cells in that building. look where you at, man, you in a cage like an animal. have you ever been to a zoo?
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>> yeah. >> the cages for the monkeys are bigger than this, right? okay then, so what does that tell you about herself. >> they got more freedom than this. >> the animals get more freedom than us, right? so you need to really be thinking. >> they're treating me lower than animals, lesser than animals. >> this is because of the consequences of your actions. when you do something wrong, when you do something wrong, this is where you can end up. these are the possible solutions to you committing crime is putting you in a cage. >> in addition to showing them the realities of prison, the inmates challenge these youths assumptions of that i recall lives on the street. >> this is why i connect with you. i love the same thing you love. it was fun to put hands on somebody and show my home boy i'm the man. and you don't want nothing either. respect, right? what's your name. >> marco.
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>> what do they say in the hood? marco throw down. don't mess with marco, right? that's what they tell you. that's what they told me because they knew i was willing to fight for nothing. on site, let's go. you think you can whip me, then let's whip. this is why i tell you this. that fighting, eventually it got tiring. because i was literally fighting every day, every single day of my life i was fighting. the homies already knew, romeo, he throw down. i thought let me start carrying this knife. let me start carrying this pistol. and it took one day and all of about three or four seconds for me to pull my pistol out on somebody that could have easily just fought, whooped them and been done with it, and i pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in his chest because he liked the color blue. you're 15, right? >> yeah. >> do you want to come to jail at 15 years old? do you want to come to prison
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and have to be in the yard, sand up, let me see how tall you are. this is me. this was me when i came to prison. this was me right here. how tall are you, about 5'1" how much you weigh, 100 some. this was me when i came to prison. stand up, rhino. come on, now, man, what am i going to do? let's be real. what you going to do? what you going to do to him? you going to hurt him? >> i probably won't hurt him. >> what you going to do to him? honestly. because this is the same thing i had to ask myself. what am i going to really do up in here, as good as i can fight, what am i really going to do. >> inmates also challenge the youths to see all of the potential consequences of their actions. when i am going to juvenile court and they're telling me i'm not going to be tried as a juvenile, they're going to sentence me to life in prison, when the man told me that, he said are you a cold-blooded
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murderer and we want you to rot in prison. i'm sentencing to you life in innocence prison and he slammed down his little hammer and my mom screamed. imagine how that felt. how would your mom feel? >> this is what it took to get them to us. it took me to come to prison. it took shahib to realize there's more value in society and life than committing crime. >> with the knowledge they may never leaf san quentin, the squires hope to never see these boys restrained by a security level. >> it's like i don't want to come over here. not a good place to be. overall, today was really, really good. i felt like i made a difference today.
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what was the symbol back in the day, when you had like the kkk and stuff like that? they would hang people. >> a self-described white supremacist may not be who he says he is. >> he has a mixed brother and sister. he's not a racist. >> and that can make him a marked man among other white supremacists. >> if you get caught being counterfeit, you could have serious, serious things happen. first, all the tattoos got to come off one way or another. >> another iat
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