and how do you spot them? what are the markers of their radicalization? that is something we continue to work on but remains elusive to us that algorithm to tell us who the bad guys are and where they are. >> that is fbi director james comey at the university of texas austin. thank you for watching msnbc live, right now on msnbc, andrea mitchell reports. andrea? >> thank you. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," judgment day, republicans scrambling with the health care bill at stake. the white house meeting right now with servetive house members to try for a last-ditch deal. for every arm twist there is a defector. will they have a vote. >> we need to partial rerepeal this, replace it, retain parts and overhaul parts. i feel this bill misses the mark. >> the house republican chair apologizing today for blind

siding his democrats colleagues and sharing suspect information with president trump. >> judgment call on my part. and that's the -- at the end of the day that's -- sometimes you make the right decisions sometimes you make the wrong one, but you have got to stick by the decisions that you make. >> but has his decision sabotaged the credibility of the house intelligence investigation he leads? and for the first time, the committee's democratic leader saying there is real substance to those russian connections. >> there is more than circumstantial evidence now. so, again, i think -- >> you have seen direct evidence of collusion? >> i don't want to go into specifics, but i will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial. and is very much worthy of investigations. >> a democratic member of the house intelligence committee joining us coming up. and terror at the heart of london. isis now claiming responsible for that attack outside parliament that killed three people, including an american man from utah.

today the suspect has been identified as 52-year-old khalid masud, born in britain, and with a criminal record. >> we are not afraid. and our resolve will never waver in the face of terrorism. goo day, everyone. i'm dream in washington, where the republican health care bill is now on the line. house republicans canceled their morning caucus. speaker ryan pushed back his weekly press briefing by four hours as they still are searching for votes. the democrats are pouncing. >> they are scrambling to find a bill that they can pass on floor. i don't know if you want to call this on trump's part a rookie's error, but you don't find a day and say we are going to pay pass a bill. you build your consensus in your talk us and when you are ready to set the date to bring it to the floor.

>> right now, the president is meeting with conservative house members who want to eliminate more popular health benefits. every move in that direction risks losing moderate results. joining me now, nbc white house correspondent kristen welker and correspondent kasie hunt. have you seen quite like this where they canceled their morning conference, postponed the speaker's weekly news conference. it seems as though -- are they even deciding whether to bring it to the floor? >> it's all hinging on the meeting at the white house. i don't know if i have taken you down here before. we are on the first floor, it's called the hall of columns on the house side. behind this door you may or may not be able to see it is where the whips and the deputy whipsz, the w.h.i.p. team, the people charged with counting the votes are huddling now. there were pizzas brought in earlier. it sees like they are hunkering

down. i hinges on whether or not these members of the freedom caucus walk out of the meeting with the white house and say we have not just moved the six or the eight votes. frankly, every change they are making as you point out they are losing moderate voters, moderate members. these are the people we have been seeing putting out statements today over the last 12 hours. yesterday charlie dent, a key one, often an ally of the speaker's. a moderate republican from pennsylvania coming out and saying i can't do this. the calculus at this point seems to be if mark meadows of the freedom caucus can come out of there and say i've got every one of these members on board they may have a path forward. what happened with the schedules tells you what the republicans know. what they have been trying to do is sem their losses with moderate voters, those are the

people who have been going in and out of the speaker's office late into last evening and during the day today. at this point we are waiting the see what happens out of that meeting. i think you will see events unfold very quickly from there, andrea. >> let's go over the innocence. then i want to bring in kristin to of course get what president trump is doing. you need 215 votes, as i understand it, because of the unfortunate passing of congressman basketbaobby refres wife. he is back home. our condolences to him. now the majority vote would be 215 in the house; is that right. >> that's right. if in fact there are no other democrats that show up or some other foreseen adjustment to the overall membership during this vote. that means 22 is the magic j number. republicans can lose 22 votes, if they loose one more vote than that the whole thing will go

down. >> kristin welker, this is the first big tez for the president. some critics say he should have gone to tax reform first but the argument is you can't do that until you reform pieces of the health care bill. they are all interconnected. the president has been so engaged in all this. some argued he has been too heavy handed in the way he lobbies for his bill. i don't know what you are hearing from the black caucus after their meetings with him yesterday. >> andrea, first of all he said he is the closer. he wrote the art of the deal. this is what happens the most critical test of his ability to close what will be the biggest deal yet. and the most important deal of his young administration. so i am told the strategy inside the white house right now as the president sits down with members of the house freedom caucus is to push them hard on this concession effectively that the white house and gop leaders are offering, which would allow

health insurance companies to not offer what is called essential health benefits, those are things like coverage for ma turnt leave, for mental health services, for pediatric care, andrea, and proponents of this say, look, this ultimately gives consumers more choice. opponents say actually it deprives consumers of critical coverage. of course the question is, is this going to be enough to win over those seven critical votes, to flip those no votes to yes. because you still have a number of conservatives, members of the house freedom caucus who say look this is too bogged down in regulations. i was told boy a senior administration official earlier today that the white house isn't going any further. this is their final offer. the question remains, will the president be able to sell it. >> nancy pelosi called it a rookie mistake by the president saying you have a date certain

bill. it's almost on the anniversary of the passage of obamacare, almost a thumb in the eye. is it a mistake to schedule the vote on the bill before you know you have got the votes? >> that's the big question. the white house would argue this is part of the strategy, a part of the hard sell. we've heard president trump saying to law makers and also out on the trail in kentucky earlier this week that this is what we campaigned on. if we fail to get this done, it is going to cause lawmakers their seats, and it is also going to be effectively not living up to the promises we made to voters. >> kristin and -- >> may i add onening as well. >> please do. >> i was going to say, nancy pelosi is somebody who knows exactly how to get this done. i remember sitting in the gallery and watching her pass the affordable care act through the house. running around on the floor twisting one member's arm after another. she bearcally scraped it through

but she got it done. that's weighing on house speaker paul ryan right now. so much at stake for him as well today, including with the president. >> you have perfectly teed that up, kasie hunt, thank you, joining us now is north carolina congressman mark walker the head of the study group on the republican side. obviously supports the health care bill. congressman, first of all, should they pull the bill? do they not have the votes? >> no, i think we are moving forward. we remain positive we will have this vote this evening, and we believe that it will pass. >> what makes you so confident? because it seems that as you pick up votes from the so-called freedom caucus, the conservative republicans, you are at risk of losing the charlie dents and others from region where is they really believe they need this medicaid expansion? >> in fact i think charlie made that point yesterday. like i was saying to somebody today, it is the second law of thermodynamics, for every action

there is a equal and opposite react. we knew that overall. but we believe this is what we promised the people all along, repeal obamacare. as far as the roc we have been able to get four or five things done, option and block grants and work requirements for states. this is what i want everybody to remember, this saves -- as well as medicaid reform saves close to $1 trillion over the next years. that's a big win. that's why ultimately when it settles today we can come together and get to a yes. >> what about maternity leave benefit, moment health benefits, the other expanded services being put on the line here, being sacrificed to get this lieu. >> sure i'm married to a family nurse practitioners. i am assuming you are referring to the health benefits in the negotiation process. there is pros and cons but it

offers more options specifically in the 50 to 64 age range it brings the insurance cost down because they don't have to buy customized tailor made -- or they can buy customized tailor made programs to fit their needs as opposed to programs that encompass the all one side fits all. >> just in terms of scheduling, will we see a vote on the house floor today? >> i believe that we will see a house vote this evening at some point. i really do. >> this evening, in terms of sometime before eastern midnight eastern you mean, a vote sometime in the overnight on how -- >> let's go zulu time. at least pacific coast. it may be 3:00 a.m., may be midnight, still sometime this will evening, andrea. >> bring your blankie and such. we've been through nights like this before on the house floor. >> we will do that. we can demonstrate

statesmanship. i think about mike pence, we want to make sure they have the right tone, protective conservatism, that's been our goal from the beginning. we hope to accomplish that this evening. >> what kind of threats or persuasion is the president offering, carrots and sticks? >> i don't know if he is offering any threats. as far as incentives there are have been several meetings. we had meetings at the white house, we worked into the evening last thursday to get the amendments to the american health care act. i believe it comes down to the essential health care benefits whether it's a go or not. >> one man's benefits is another person's deal killer. that's your challenge. >> probably expect to see that in some kind of tweet at some point. yes, we have got to make sure we keep focusing on the promise. 77% of republicans made the

promise we would repeal and replace obamacare. >> the president also made a promise that people would not lose benefits. >> he has. and i believe by offering more options and more choices, you can't draw a conclusion that some of the information that we have been hearing 20 something million people -- that's a choice some people will make. the tax choice in the 50 to 64 age gap, that's the goal to make sure nobody loses coverage but we have to put the burden back on the american people to have those choices, to have those options. >> thank you very much congressman, thanks for being with us. >> always a pleasure, andrea, thank you. former president obama today issuing a statement strongly challenging the trump white house claims that the affordable care act is a disaster, imploding as they say. joining me now, vermont senator bernie sanders. senator, great to see you again. thank you for being with us today. >> good to be with you andrea. >> let's talk about those essential health care benefits and whether these are choice has the american people should be making for themselves. >> let's start off with the fact

that the united states of america is the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care for all people as a right. and i think that's where we should be going torque a medicare for all, single payer program. what has happened over the last eight years is we've made some progress. we added 20 million americans to the ranks of the insured. now, if this disastrous republican legislation goes through, we will go back to having 52 million americans without any health insurance. according to the aarp, if you are 64 years of age and you are earning $24,000 a year, your premiums will go up from $1700 to $13,000 a year. you are going to be making massive cuts in medicaid, which not only impact low income people, but what they will do is for the middle class whose parents, whose mom or dad is in

a nursing home care -- those -- that amount of money will be substantially cut, putting more burdens on the middle class. they are going to defund planned parenthood. these guys talk a whole lot about choice. 2.5 million americans, women mostly have decided to make planned parenthood their choice as to where they get their health care. that's gone. and here's the good news. and this really is what the republican plan is about. there will be $300 billion in tax breaks for the wealthiest 2%. $300 billion, while 24 million people lose their health insurance. this is immoral, this is inconschennible. on top of that there are major cuts to the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance industry. so it is true, this is what republicans promised. that's true. but i think the american people, in leaps and bounds, are catching on, that this is not what a democratic civilized society is about. you don't give tax breaks to

billionaires like donald trump and then raise precipiums for seniors or throw millions of working families off of the health insurance they finally received. >> i mean, you have long been an advocate of the singer payer system. address the whole issue of whether the affordable care act is, quote, imploding. you've been a critic of it yourself in the past. >> look, it is far from perfect. but then what you do, you say all right, what are the problems with the affordable care act? deductibles are too high. and weave' got to address that. premiums are too high. we've got to address that. this makes a difficult situation worse. the affordable care act has done some good things. it has some problems. you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. how do you call something health care reform when 24 million people lose their health insurance, when deductibles will go sky high. at the end of the day let's also not forget, andrea that we have

a president -- i know i will shock your viewers by suggesting he doesn't always tell the truth. but this is a guy who campaigned by saying i'm going to provide health care to all americans. it's going to be great, fantastic, all americans. it's a lie. over 20 million people lose their health insurance. what they will move toward is a system in which you will have catastrophic health insurance. you will have very heidi ductibles, very high copayments. it will cover very little. it will be in many cases cheap but you are not going to have the health insurance you need to protect yourself and your family. so instead of improving the affordable care act, which needs improvement, what they are doing is making a bad situation much worse. >> i do want to also ask you about the whole issue of the fbi now confirming that there is counter-intelligence investigation into russia and connections -- possible connections to trump associates. we have heard from adam schiff that in fact there is more than

circumstantial evidence of collusion in this. what should we be thinking? and what about -- you worked in the house and now in the senate. how credible is this house intelligence committee investigation when the chairman runs to the president with false information, which is now supporting the white house claim that he was wiretapped by former president obama? >> i'm not on the intelligence committee so i don't have all the information. if i did, i wouldn't be able to give it to you. >> understood. >> but here is the reality. and the american people understand that there are what key people in trump's campaign who had very, very close ties with putin's operation. and i think we have got to ask ourselves a very, very simple question, how does it happen when you have a gentleman, a person, a leader, like putin, who is moving his country in a very authoritarian direction. it's not a great respecter of

democracy, has engaged in a very imperialistic foreign policy -- how does it happen that we had a candidate and a president who has nothing but nice things to say about mr. putin? that sounds pretty strange. and the question that a whole lot of people are asking -- you don't have to get into classified information to raise the question, is what do f anything, the russians have on mr. trump? what we do know, i believe we know is true, is that trump needed financial help for some of his business efforts. and it appears -- and i can't be definitive about this -- that he got some help from the russian oligarchs, the billionaires in russia. do they have something on him which is veering him toward a pro-russian foreign policy at the expense of american interests? those are the questions that have got to be discussed. and obviously the $64 question

is was there collusion? we know that the russians played a very active role in trying to make trump our president. to what degree, if any, was there active collusion on the part of the trump campaign and the russians that we don't know? and that must be vigorously explored. >> do you think the white house, when it says that they weren't that connected to paul manafort who was running the campaign for five months -- should they have known that he was getting $10 million a year in a contract from a pal of putins and we don't know when that contract ended? >> look, i mean one of the embarrassments that we have -- and i don't mean to be overly part snan saying this -- because i have got a lot of republican friends, could be servetives who are honest decent people, they just have a different point of view than i did, journal, a right wing editorial page made that point the other day.

the boy who cried wolf too often. you have got a president who lies all the time. really, mr. manafort not to know what he was about when you bring him on as your campaign manager? hard for most americans to believe. we know that theres a variety of close tie between trump and trump supporters and his administration and his campaign and the russians. how deep it goes, to the degree that there may have been collusion, that is what the intelligence committee, and perhaps an independent body has got to explore. >> and finally, do you agree with minority leader, democratic leader chuck schumer, i should say, with his argument that while there is an fbi investigation into all of this, you should not be approving a supreme court nominee? how will you vote on judge gorsuch? >> i'm going to vote against gorsuch. i mean, i think this country faces enormous problems. gorsuch was in my office. we had a very nice chat. i asked him about citizens

united, which is a disastrous supreme court decision that allows billionaires to spend as much money as they want, it's undermining american democracy. he had nothing significant to say about it. i asked him about voter suppression, the fact that all over this country republican governors are trying to make it harder for poor people, people of color, older people to participate in our democracy. he had nothing to say about that. so i will be voting against jouj gorsuch. >> thank you very much senator. senator sanders, thanks for being with us. >> thank you. coming up, the terror in london. what we are learning today. new information about the attacker and the deadly rampage outside parliament. a live report next right here on "andrea mitchell reports" on nbc. ♪ announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull

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police have now identified the man responsible for that london terror attack as 52-year-old khalid masood. isis is claiming responsible for the incident that now counts an american citizen among the dead. the church of latter-day saints confirming in a statement kirk cochran is one of four people

who died, four people including the suspect. bill neely is in london. bill, we saw that the prime minister spoke today of the resilience of the brits. of course extraordinary and so affirming. what is the mood among people in london whom you have spoken to? >> reporter: it's a mood of defiance. obviously, there is shock here. but london has experienced terrorist incidents in the past and i couldn't say there is in panic here. certainly the security threat level has not been raised to its highest level, critical. it remains as severe. for neither police, intelligence agencies, anti-terror detectives are concentrating all of their attention on this man, khalid masood, 52 years old. born here in england. he lived in england's wist mid lands and had a string of convictions dating back more than 30 years for things like serious assault, for carrying a weapon. but he was not convicted of any terrorist offenses. and we heard from theresa may

this morning that he was under investigion b the british internal security agency mi 5 some years ago for what they called concerns about violent extremism. but he was regarded as a rather peripheral figure and current wasn't on the current -- >> the attacker accelerated across the bridge driving onto the sidewalk -- >> reporter: you know, that would suggest that he is a lone wolf. as you know, andrea, and as intelligence agency also tell you, there is no such thin as a lone wolf. that's why there are arrests of his family, of his friends, people to trying to work out, did he tell anyone, was he simply inspired by isis or was he directed by anyone? there was a claim earlier today from the isis pop began de agency, amak, that was in their word a soldier of the caliphate, an isis fighter. but they offered no evidence for

that whatsoever. so police at the minute working on his phone records, his computer records, trying to trace his car, where he went, who he met, trying to find out did this man truly act alone or did he have associates. andrea. >> bill, is there any change in the security posture there around westminster? >> reporter: well, there are more police on the streets here, but we've been told that is very much to reassure people. genuinely, the pice believe this was a one-off incident. of course we know from the past that terror attacks have happened. you draw a crowd in let's say and then a secondary attack happens. so the police, they are not lowering their guard. but as i said right at the beginning there is no sense of panic here. there are sirens in the air. there are police helicopters above me. they are regular boats with

armed police going up and down the river thames, but andrea, no sense of panic, great resilience, and defiance in the air, too. >> bill neely, exactly what we would expect from the uk. thank you so much. meanwhile, the republican chairman and top democratic are holding dueling press conferences about the president's claim of surveillance. >> today i briefed the president on the concerns that i had about collection and how it relates to president-elect trump and his transition team and the concerns that i have. the reports that i was able to see did not have anything to do with russia or the russian investigation, any tie to the trump team. >> but i can say this, the chairman will need to decide whether he is the chairman of an

independent investigation into conduct which includes allegations of potential coordination between the trump campaign and the russians or he is going to act a a surrogate the white house because he cannot do both. >> all of this is of course raising big questions about the credibility of the house investigation into the alleged russia connections to trump associates. joining me now is democratic congressman eric swalwell, a member of the house intelligence committee. i know there was an apology from chairman nunes to all of you today. can the house continue to investigate this? is the committee so compromised that it won't be trusted going forward it's on life support -- [ audio problems ] -- it has been one of the most trying times in american history. and people are looking to us to work as democrats and republicans to get to the bottom of what happened. instead of coming to the committee first, our chair went to the president, whose campaign is subject of a federal

criminal, and counter-intelligence investigation. this is all the more reason that we need an independent bipartisan appointed commission, not just to get a comprehensive review of what happened, but now as an insurance policy against a compromised investigation. >> i'm sure you know not only is the white house claiming now and the president claiming now, you see i was right? he said that to "time" magazine. but now he is using what congressman nunes told him, they are using it for the republican party to fund raise e-mail and say se >> the is a smoke bomb to obstruct the investigation. we had a hearing on monday where we were able to connect the dots as far as trump's team converging at the time russia was interfering in our election. this stunt distracts from the real evidence and the real

questions that american people expect us to work together on to get to the bottom of. >> what's is advantage to continuing in committee? the fact that you democrats will have a seat at the table? that a select committee will take weeks and weeks to set up, and you don't have the majority so you may not have the votes to get it approved? >> before we go forward we really need to see what evidence did the chairman take over to the president? how did he get that evidence? and why exactly did he go around our committee? we haven't seen that yet. we've been told that that is coming soon. and so you know i have a lot of questions whether this can go forward in a credible fashion because, again, that's the only way we can do this. you know, i was here as an intern on september 11th and i saw and admired the way that republican and democrats answered that attack by working together, making important reforms, by allowing an outside commission to do its work. we are safer because we came together. this is nothing more than tearing us apart. >> when you went into closed session today, he did not share

with you what it was that he shared with the president? you still haven't seen it? >> we still do not have that information, no. and that's very, very troublesome. >> do you have to go over to langley to see it? or can you see it in your own safe room? i mean what's the next step? >> we don't know where he got it from, we don't know whether it was an individual from white house, whether it was somebody from an agency or an individual off the street. that's also concerning is because we are really only supposed to receive classified information here in our own secure facility or at another agency's secure facility. there are a lot of questions how he received it, how he transported the information and why he went around the committee. >> do you have the option of asking fbi director comey to come back and try to share what it is that he may have -- that someone may have conveyed to chairman nunes? >> our committee members want to see the information that he took over there first. if he can't produce that, we want to understand from agency

leaders if this really exists at all. i want to make clear, there is still no evidence that president obama wiretapped or surveilled donald trump. donald trump's deceitful claim in no way has been salvaged with what this stunt produced yesterday. >> well, they have got a pretty big e-mail machine, and they are pumping it out right now. a counter narrative, this is already out there. thank you very much congressman. >> my pleasure, andrea. coming up, more on the breaking news out of hon done. we will talk to a member of the house of lords who was on lockdown yesterday. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again. before fibromyalgia, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy.

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parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again. now back to the breaking news from london, lord toby harris the labor party in the house of lords was barricaded in his office during wednesday's attack on parliament and joins me now. thank you for being with us. tell me what happened, what did you see as this was all going down? >> well, i was in a meeting, a small meeting at just above the area where the incident happened. we were there. the meeting had adjourned for a few minutes while mps went to vote. two or three of them had come back into the room when we were all told to stay where we were, to shut the doors, to draw the curtains. we did that and then a few moments later there were loud bangs and we heard shouting get

down, get down. and at that point we decided we were going to barricade ourselves in and move the desks to make sure nobody could get into where we were. obviously we then had to wait another five hours before it was safe to leave or before we were given the all clear night must have been terrifying sir? >> everyone behaved very calmly and very properly. there were about sevenfs in this room. actually we were better placed than some people who were in corridors and others that weren't allowed to move. >> as far as the suspect, we know he had a criminal record but nothing related to terror, are you satisfied that nothing was overlooked that could have prevented this from happening? >> i think it's virtually impossible ever to prevent somebody who is determined to take these steps to kill people reckless of their own lives.

that's virtually impossible to do. if this person was given no indication he was going down this road there is no reason the authorities would have picked up on it. the fact he was known doesn't in itself mean it would have been possible to keep track of him. >> there are dramatic pictures of a member of parliament, may have been a minister, toe biaselwood trying to help save the life of the police officer. it's extraordinary. >> yeah, i think he was passing by going to his office at the time. he's a former zoeller. i think his military training kicked in and he just went to help. >> well, it's all pretty remarkable. we all take off your hats to you and your colleagues at this attack on what is the heart of democracy, the oldest signature parliament. it's great to see the prime minister back in there today, and the response by everyone concerned. thank you very much. thanks for being with us.

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welcome back. after 20 plus hours of senate questioning now on the fourth and final day of the confirmation hearing character witnesses are testifying both for and against judge gorsuch's nomination. kelly ayyad has been working with the judge through this nomination process and is here now. you had the role of being the sherpa. >> i did, yes. >> he is courting the judge. and so far, he came through in terms of very carefully not disclosing what obviously the critics and opponents would want him to disclose, which is how he would vote in particular big cases. >> it really comes down to he is a sitting jups judge before the 10th circuit. and also as a potential justice on the supreme court he can signal where he may be on a case that could come before him either in his current position or if he is confirmed to serve on the supreme court. so he has done what other prior nominees have done. and it's really important so

that when litigants come before him they know he hasn't prejudged a case. >> democratic leader chuck schumer said there should not be a vote on him while the president and his associates are under fbi investigation. >> i heard what senator schumer had to say. i think real ethat's an absurd theory. the supreme court -- it's important to go forward with this nomation. and we hagot toee yesterday, the american people got to see how qualified judge gorsuch is. he has impeccable qualifications and you also see people across the political spectrum in the bar coming out in support of him. i think this is really this idea that because something else is happening in washington that somehow we shouldn't go forward with this supreme court nomination just doesn't make sense. >> bernie sanders was on the show before, earlier today, and said this he will vote against him.

>> well, surprise. >> one vote against. but the bottom line is, there is a lot of bitterness because of the fact that at virtually the same time president obama made his nomination, there was still a year left in his own term of office and he didn't even get a hearing. >> i understand that. i think that was brought up yesterday in the last couple of days in the hearing repeatedly. senator graham made a really good point. he went back to point out obviously vice president biden's comments during a presidential year -- >> those were taken out of context. >> i will tell you that one of the things that judge gorsuch did, first call he made when he was nominated by president trump was to call judge garland. he knows he him well, has great respect for him. really, that was then. and the american people spoke in this election. they elected president trump. this was a very big issue in the election itself. and so now it's time to go

forward and t decide -- democrats have to decide do they want to block someone who is so qualified? that was heard during the hearing yesterday. >> we didn't hear lots of critics yesterday. today there was a few. one from the human rights watch campaign. i wanted to play a little bit of that. >> gorsuch repeatedly saw legislation that would strip courts of habious jurisdiction. he also played a lead role in the litigation strategy in the case where the government argued that the president has the power to disregard the jeneva conventions and that the courts are powerless. these were the defining legal debates of our time and judge gorsuch was on the wrong side of them. >> she's from human rights. your response? >> on this issue i have to tell you judge gorsuch served as the department of justice. he was a lawyer there, his role there.

but judge gorsuch took the lead with working with senator mccain on legislation at the time that was really important to bring forward detapee treatment act through the congress. and you have to understand also that that case -- that legislation went to the united states supreme court on the issue of habious, so there was a supreme court decision that came down after bipartisan legislation was passed by the congress. the judge was doing his job with the department of justice at the time. and senator graham made clear that was helpful in helping the congress pass some of these legislation issues. >> be let you go. you were a member of the armed services committee. i know how hard you have battled for women in the services. this scandal, if i can call it that of women marines being exposed without their consent. >> horrific. >> what does the leadership need to do? >> the leadership has to act very, very strongly here, hold those who are accountable. they should not be serving if

they participated in this. and really we better make sure that this never happens again. this is unfortunately, i have great respect for the marine corps. this is a horrible stain. i have great respect for our women marines. and the leadership has to do whatever needs to be done to take this very seriously, hold those accountable, and make sure this never happens again. we are so proud of our women marines, and this should never have happened. >> senator kelly ayotte, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we need more women this the services and in the senate. thank you. breaking news, a big arrest in the series of bomb threats that have terrorized jewish centers around the u.s. the fbi confirming a 19-year-old with dual u.s. and israeli citizenship has been arrested in israel. jewish community centers the u.s. have received dozens of anonymous threats in wasn't weeks. the suspect also made threats in new zealand and australia. we'll be right back.

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in a start length new interview out today with "time" magazine, a defiant president trump is doubling down on a string of unproven claims that have raised a lot of concerns about his credibility. in the cover story titled the truth dead president trump brushes off a string of controversies about his truthfulness saying, quote, i guess i can't be doing so badly because i'm president and you're not. sounds like a line out of "snl." joining me now is bill crystal, editor at large for the weekly statement. >> that's a true statement.

that is the unquestionably true statement in that interview, he is president and we're not. >> and this comes atmosphere the wreath journal has an editorial column. >> they have been bending over backwards to try to give him a chance and be respectful. they finally said enough is enough after monday. and he's dismissive of that. >> what is the downside in real terms of a president who tweets about a felonyious wiretap from his predecessor which did not happen no matter what devin nunes might try to make people believe and claims that the election was decided despite 3 million people fraudulently voting didn't happen. the claims about the size of the crowds. part of this "time" magazine cover says does this make me the winner? was this a cover story, will i have more covers than anyone?

they said no, president nixon did, but he was in office longer than you. it's crazy. the metrics are crazy. >> it's not reassuring. i guess there are two downsides. one of the general coorsening of the culture and degradation of truths and opinions slide over to exaggeration which slides over into some falsification. i think trump has taken that to a new level, and that's not good for a democracy which depends on resolving issues and coming to an agreement on fact. and then in a crisis will people believe him. john kennedy, the cuban missile crisis. keptdy fudged a couple of things but at the end of the day when he weapon on television and said the russians placed missiles in cuba the country rallied to him. and de gaulle, do you want to

see the intelligence? de gaulle said no, we trust the leader of the united states. it's important to be trusted by allies, citizens, and by friends around the world. that is worrisome i think honestly in a crisis with respect to trump. his son, and this was trivial, i was amazed by this yesterday, his son, donald jr., his oldest son, an adult, tweets out in the midst of a terror attack in london tweets about the mayor of london, slight will he out of context, goes out of his way to attack him on twitter, the mayor of london, which is under trust attack, our greatest ally and he is being attacked by the son of the presidented of united states. what do the british think. >> in a crisis will angela merkel say i trust the word of the president of the united states when he tweeted against

her before and after her visit. >> and in a financial crisis like '07 and-08, and i think we are seeing some effect on the hill. the health care bill might be ill conceived. and at the end of the day we'll see if donald trump really can bring his own members around. his numbers have gone down in the polls the last two weeks. i'm struck by that. bu if you talk to votershe know about the tweets and the general sense of chaos and irresponsibility in the white house. init's hurting him including with his own supporters and that lessens his clout on the hill. if you are a democrat that's fine, but from a partisan point of view i think that weakens him as president. >> bill crystal, thank you. that does it for us from a busy edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us on facebook and twitter. katy tur is up next. good afternoon, i'm katie tur in for craig melvin on a

busy thursday afternoon. some of the stories we are following this hour, health care fight. president trump meeting with members of the freedom caucus this morning pushing them to support the gop health care bill. as more conservatives say they will vote no on the plan. is there any way it can survive a house vote today. spy games. tensions between member of the house intelligence committee reaching a fever pitch amid new accusations of presidential survey clans and russian collusion. we'll sort through all the claims from democrats and republicans. american killed. a man from utah is one of the three victims of yesterday's terror attack in london. isis is now claiming responsibility for the attack. we'll go live to the uk for the latest in the investigation. and high drama on capitol hill right now where it's down to the wire for president trump and republicans looking to pass the gop plan to repeal and replace obamacare. as of this moment -- and remember, it could change, nbc finds 30 house republicans opposed or