affordable care act against all odds. what are they going to win next? that does it for us tonight. we will see you on monday. we'r you're going to go to paul ryan and go mr. speaker. please, we can't stand winning this much. we can't take it. >> not today, mr. president. good evening. trump care is dead. there's no doubt about it. signed bid the clerk, the undertaker. the chief mourner himself, trump

himself. more than 60 times the republicans and house of represents voted to repeal obamacare. today when they tried doing it for real with a republican president ready to sign it, they choked and left the country's first deal maker with nothing in his hands. precisely what trump has in his hands in his pathetic attempt to justify tweets that president obama ordered him wiretapped during last year's campaign. if you don't believe this, ask nunez who confessed he had nothing to help trump no matter how much he wanted to. today confessed the wiretapping charge didn't happen. that's two trump defeats this week. the biggest coming this afternoon when paul ryan admitting historic failure and pulled republican health care plan back from defeat. much the way richard nixon resigned rather than being thrown from office. >> moving from an opposition party to a governing party comes

with growing pains. we're feeling those growing pains today. we came really close today, but we came up short. i will not sugar coat it. today was hard for us. comes down to a choice. are all of us willing to do a little to get something done. >> admitting defeat. the trump presidency lost its new car smell. "washington post" spoke to trump this afternoon and msnbc political analyst. why did trump call you right lickety-split when he pulled this thing. >> i don't know why he called me. i a blocked number. picked it up. president of the united states said bob i'm pulling the bill. i've known him for a long time. and covered him a long time. he was pretty even tempered. said look, didn't have the votes. time to move on.

>> what's the advantage of him saying he pulled it. >> ryan came and said don't have the votes what do you want to do. he said if the freedom caucus isn't going to move, isn't going to make a deal with me, we aren't going to have a vote. change of tune from the night prior. we want to have a vote. the president wants to put you all on record to vote on legislative test. had ha mark of who was with him and who was against him. ryan came to him today and said we need to do taxes and inf infrastructure, don't need the drama of the vote. >> that doesn't square with what ryan said standing behind the lectern. >> the immigration. hard line policies we've seen with executive action. i don't think trump is going to back away from that at all. he's definitely putting health care on the shelf. >> how does trump walk away from the fact he's been bragging

you're going to have so many victory it will bore you to death. here he is, first big test on the hill and yanks it rather than go down formerly defeat. it's a big defeat. i don't understand. i guess he's just a good pr guy as well as supposedly a good salesman. >> he frames himself as a deal make tore be sure and he has been telling people that cutting deals in politics in washington isn't that different from manhattan, but it's totally different. he acknowledged that to an extent in my interview with him. he said i didn't realize coming into all this there was so many political drama inside of the house gop. didn't realize all of these guys in the freedom caucus had been battles speaker ryan for years. he found himself wading into a storm he didn't understand. >> he didn't say he doesn't understand congress, which he didn't. or health care.

which he's learning. during the campaign do all this good stuff and get it down. in fact he did say he was going to get health care done fast. r one of the signature campaign promise was to repeal and replace obamacare. let's take a look at journey when it comes to talking about health care during the campaign. watch. >> you're saying obamacare. >> it's got to go. repeal and replace with something terrific. >> the terrific is. >> plans can be done by private companies. >> everybody is going to be covered. i'm going to take care of everybody. i don't care if it takes votes or not. i have to tell you it's an unbelievably complex subject. nobody knew that health careless could be so complicated. >> i'm joined now. this is bizarre. i mean, i don't want to hear a word trump said after losing today. all that matters is what he said before. that's how you operate. you know, selling you a car. you don't want to sell somebody a lemon.

then he says it turned out to be a lemon. don't want to hear the car dealership explaining why you bought a lemon. don't want to deal with them anymore. front comes out and grabs a press conference. i know you won't quote him because you don't believe 90% of what he says. >> or something who sells you trump university. >> i forgot that one. that was a success. >> so great. the thing donald trump said last year that negates anything he tries to say today is i alone can fix it. in that statement he acknowledge thad he knows washington is broken, the processes are broken: he said i alone can fix it. what is stunning about today is it turns out the republican party learned absolutely nothing from the election of donald trump including donald trump. donald trump won in the rust belt in those states saying he was going to repeal and replace

obamacare because at the time he thought he understood his voters hated the obama, but they liked the care. they didn't see him as a buy the to come and cancel medicaid. they thought he was daddy war bucks. just cancel undocumented aide, that they don't get. they were going to keep their stuff. they never thought was running to be paul ryan. he just decides to get in bedded with ryan who has this generational life long dream of ending the social safety net. donald trump didn't run on that. he ran on i alone can fix it. he failed. >> let me go to john. first of all. how come they voted 60 times to repeal obamacare and couldn't do it today. why didn't they repeal it. they were afraid to repeal it. >> it was easy when it wasn't going to go anywhere. >> they didn't say that.

they took credit voting 60 times. why continue they do it today. >> they didn't have the votes. >> it's okay for the republicans. >> it's okay. sometimes you win by losing. the fact of the matter is. >> you have learned the trump lingo. you have learned it. if the republicans would have won today, would you have said they won. >> they win either way. you got red, you got blue. >> the fact is i see the silver lining. the silver lining is this. the bill that was going to pass the house. the senate was never going to be able to pick it and you happen pa pass it. >> what is the next item on the agenda. >> tax cuts. infrastructure. >> no, no, no. ryan said the first issue is border. >> the first thing on the agenda is well wall, part of the spending package which is coming up. that's true. not going to be a lot of money.

about 2 or $3 billion. >> are you trying to get sean spicer's job. >> no, i don't want his job. i will say this. >> they lost. you know what the word loser means. how can you not say loser. trump says it all the time. >> we lost, but we also won. we have the rest of the agenda to focusen. had the approval rating of 17%. very unpopular. they can go back. >> joy, we're coming from baghdad. that was the bomb. >> let's go to a couple thoughts. i want to split this a little bit. seems to me i'm not sure you're right act the republican party. there are a lot of regular republican districts where people are moderately conservative. bucks county, fitzpatrick. staten island. there's a lot of democrats and moderate republicans. those politicians are very concern kd about just repeal. then you have people i don't think you account for, red hot

utah republicans who have large conservative constituency. who believe in cowboy, i can handle this myself. don't need the federal government. a lot of them talk like that h. you don't think they exist. the people that don't believe in government. i don't want a government entitlement with tax credits to replace a democratic entitlement program. i want people to deal with the market. that's what some do believe. >> every time i've ever met in the entire time someone who talks like that turn out to be on va benefits and medicare. that i have think other people are games the system and shouldn't get it. can we really let john move on and say other parts of our agenda. remember, republicans talk about obamacare in apock liptic terms. it's destroy america right now. they did the same thing with emergency we have to ban the

muslims because we're all going to die right now. when they fail, let's move on to something else. obamacare isn't awful. it isn't. you talked it was the most important thing in the world. can't just move on and say we failed. let's move on. coming up. trump says he doesn't blame house speaker paul ryan failing to get the bill passed. both pretending it's the democrats that did them in. that's ahead.

you heard the democrats. with passion. welcome back to hardball. after days of intense negotiating and hours of floor debate, president trump suffered first ledge lay tiff defeat. it was a big one. minutes after the bill was pulled from the floor, started playing the blame game.

first he told robert costa at "the washington post" that he was his call to pull the bill. >> president trump called me out of the blue and said he's pulling the bill and he's worked with speaker ryan, they met and he's decided to pull the health care bill. >> he set his sights, i think he was setting his sights on the democrats, blaming them for the bill's failure. >> i their the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own it 100%. this is not republican health care, this is not anything but a democrat health care bill. this is not our bill, this is their bill. the other end of pennsylvania after. you can say there was an accusation. >> we've got a group of people that are traditionally known and they vote. and you've got to penetrate that block. >> what would you have preferred to see. >> a legislator process. a true legislator process. we act as a body and try to

reflect the will of the american people. >> doesn't the buck stop at the president's desk. that what harry truman said. and howard global editorial. gentleman, let's talk about this. when you look at sports page has a certain clarity. watching the final coming up at some point this weekend. i always see who wins. that's it. that's how we do it. who won today? >> i don't think anyone won today. >> it was a draw. >> not a draw. >> a lot of people lost. >> would trump have won if he won, but not a completely victory. if he won he would have won. this was a loss for them. no doubt about it. i don't think there was anybody gaining. i don't think the people of the united states gained because inning aca in is trouble. also the republicans didn't win because they weren't able to put

together a bill. they had a vehicle that wouldn't support the weight of the bill. >> were you there during the time they passed, 60 times the republican-led house, 60 times to kill obamacare and couldn't do it today when it mattered? it seems like hypocrisy to me. >> actually i wasn't there when that was done, because at the time i got there i was late in 2015, they had put a reconciliation bill on president obama's desk and they overcame that bill. >> it seems to me as hypocritical, not that that would shock anybody. 60 times, these guys in charlie bent and all these guys in the northeast, walked out on obamacare because they knew obama wasn't going to sign it. and now the first day it counted was today, because they would have had the president sign it. they just chickened out, they choked. they didn't repeal obamacare. and they're not going do it. >> nothing concentrates the mind like the prospect of a hanging. and the big number that came out

of the whole run up to this thing -- by the way, the white house never told this properly. they never had hearings, they never did anything to lay the predicate for this. and so the number that took over was 24 million. 24 million people were going to lose health care. you want to know why the approval rating of the trump-ryan bill was 17%? that's the reason why. donald trump is a 70-year-old rookie. he did everything wrong here. he paid no attention to the details. i don't even know if he cared about the details. oh, my god, it's complicated. >> complicated. isn't that funny? >> as usual, and this is the way he operates, he sort of put paul ryan in charge, so he could try to have deniability if it went down. but he can't have deniability here. donald trump spent all of his time promising to do this. he rode to office on the strength of what began as the

tea party, which had two main objectives, one was immigration, the other was obamacare going back to 2010, he basically rode that wave all the way to the white house and he didn't deliver today. he can blame the democrats, he can implicitly blame paul ryan, he can say as he said in his little presser there, well, i was just part of the team. he can do all of that stuff, it's not going to matter. he has to do all this stuff, because first impressions count, his first big legislative battle -- >> he flopped. >> he flopped and that can set the tone for the entire administration. >> i want to ask you about blaming the democrats, we know the republicans control the house of representatives, they control the senate and they control the white house. how do you blame the other party? how does that work? >> people blame a lot of people. >> what's it mean? >> recrimination is the big party game in washington. >> who's going to believe it? >> well, i don't think anybody's going to believe it. but were the democrats winners? were republicans winners? no, this is the one that started out to be just the same bill

that was vetoed by president obama, when they got to the senate and started doing the budget on january 4, and he said, whoa, whoa, whoa if we're s going to repeal this, i want to know what's going to replace it. they now had a vehicle. which is repeal and replace. >> why don't republican go to the president and say we know that obama care needs to be fixed, we're going to figure out how to fix it. that wasn't what they said, they said they were going to repeal it. >> here's the goal is to move from a government oriented system, which will grow ever more controlled by the government, to a market doctor-patient relationship. >> they're not going do that. >> i don't believe they k. >> as a real estate developer in new york, he played a game that was to destroy all the opponents so that you're the only one left that could actually build the building and tear everybody else down.

when you're president of the united states, your have to get everybody else involved, it's the power of persuasion. >> so you're a gatherer not a hunter. >> you're a gatherer not a hunter and that's not trump's mentality. he goes into the freedom caucus and says if you don't vote for me, i'm coming after you. they're saying are you kidding me? what are you coming after me with? >> he can only hope that he does. >> there's going to be another vote on health care? when is the next vote. >> my guess late summer or early fall. >> there's going to be a vote on the health carville. iblts >> and the other thing that's going to happen right now, the next thing you're going to see is secretary price, rolling back as much of the regulatory stuff as he possibly can. because he has a lot of power to do that. they will move on that quickly. >> that's why the democrats

aren't the substantive winners. >> thank you for standing in the barrel tonight. when we return, let me finish with trump watch. you're not going to like it.

this has been a bad week for donald trump. it started out with a glimmer of hope and ended with total, utter doom. wednesday saw our friendly u.s. congressman show up with what he thought was backup to trump's saturday morning tweets, that his predecessor wiretapped him during last year's campaign. there was talk from trump himself that he was going to repeal obamacare this week and replace it with something called the american health care plan. it turns out trump went 0-2. his helpful congressman turned out to have nothing in his hand on the wiretapping charge and this afternoon we saw the house speaker get trump's approval to pull the health care bill that would have born his name. trumpcare is dead, dead as a door nail. both of the big trump claims

couldn't make it to friday. with that we learned the difference between talk and reality. a lot of noise this week, all of it signifying nothing, don't you think? that's "hardball." thanks for being with us. coming up next, your business.

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