hello. i'm keir simmons at msnbc head ghaurs new york. we're minutes from hearing from mike pence who has traveled to west virginia to meet with businesses leaders. these will be the vice president's first public comments since the decision yesterday to pull their health care bill.

>> obamacare is the law of the land. it will remain the law of the land until it's replaced. >> while republicans regroup after yesterday's political defeat, democrats and independents like bernie sanders are celebrating what they see as a major victory for americans. >> as a result of the efforts of millions of people who stood up and fought back, we defeated a disastrous health care proposal. >> and as we wait for the vice president to take the stage in west virginia, we turn first to the fallout over the republican party's stunning failure on health care and what is next on the president's agenda. the white house you and speaker ryan unable to build enough support to the american health care act. the proposal to repeal and replace obamacare. while accepting defeat yesterday, paul ryan acknowledged the challenges facing his party. >> we were a ten year opposition

party, where being against things was easy do. you just had to be against it. and now in three months time, we've tried to go to a governing party where we actually have to get 216 people to agree with each other on how we do things. and we weren't just quite there today. >> the president suggesting this would not be the efforts on health care reform and that the current law still needs to be fixed. >> i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thingpolitically speaking is let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. >> kelly owe gone he wil'donnel white house. have we heard from the president trump dadtoday, and what to exp from the vice president? >> reporter: good to be with you. the president did send out a couple of tweet, one really echos the sound on bite we just heard. the president is clearly aware that there are people on all sides of the issue about

obamacare. democrats who are up beat that it is in place and staying the law of the land feeling that they won by having a pressure put on many members of congress and that led to the bill being pulled, no vote being taken, the place where we are. republicans who wanted to see this repealed for a long timing are frustrated and uncertain about what comes next. so the president tweeted w eed obamacare will explode, and we will all get together and piece together a great health care plan for the people. t do not worry. so there are notes of bipartisanship that are slippin in to donald trump's conversation in par from the oval office yesterday and in this tweet. the big question, how serious is he about that, can that happen, will democrats respond? at least in the first blush we expect that there will be more of an effort to turn the page, to move on to other topics. tax reform being one of those. he would like to see some tax cuts and changes to what is we

august know a very comp only indica complicate tax company. so with the president, one the big issues is what do next.only complicate tax company. so with the president, one the big issues is what do next. here's part of what he had to say in reacting to this defeat. >> i'll probably be going right now for tax reform which we could have done earlier, but this really would have work onnonworked out better. we had no democrat support, so now we will go for tax reform which i've always liked. >> reporter: and that is sort of shows the newness to washington from the president. we had no democratic support he says. well, the way they set out to sort of dismantle the former president's health care law, you were never going to get democrats to support it and they weren't actively courting democrats. so we'll have to see now if the president can follow through on that bipartisanship. >> and kelly, what do we expect to hear from vice president p s pence today? >> reporter: vice president

pence had been one of the most vocal faces of the administration saying that the repeal had to happen. i think today you will hear from him a note about tax reform, talking about the strefrng of american business and that this white house stands behind businesses. we haven't even the vice president talk about what he thinks the next priorities should be. so that is worth watching. he had a big hand on work with lawmakers on capitol hill trying to get this done. so although his role in this has not been as prominent publicly as the president and speaker ryan, this has been a tough defeat for mike pence, as well. the vice president spent 12 years as aember ever the hse are not conference and he has many friends there, but could not persuade them.ever the hous are not conference and he has many friends there, but could not persuade them. is. >> all right. thank you. we heard the speak are say it earlier, obamacare is the law of the land and even though republicans were unable to push through their proposal to repeal and replace the law, both republicans and democrats acknowledge that it needs fixing. for example, the average single

policyholder is premiums are expected to rise 6.5% is per year through 2021. so after this week's defeat, what will the next health care reform effort look like? joining me now is jeremy and jonathan swann. jeremy, let me start with you. the president says he wants to work with democrats but e. also wants to leave to obamacare to explode. what is it? >> i mean, it's going to have to be a combination of the two. because he's not going to get anythinging done on obamacare unless he has democrats to help him. the way things look, the freedom caucus that group of renl gad c renegade conservatives, they are their own party of no within the republican party. seeing them agree to anything that passes both chambers of congress is almost impossible at

this point. so when trump said yesterday that it was the democrats' fault, he was making a takes ce acknowledgement that he will have to eventually bring democrats along here. now, of course the other aspect of this is the reforms or dismantling i guess you could call it that the health and human services secretary tom price can do to this law through police own unilateral action as sect and i think thsect and i to come next. >> and we were showing a graphic from the "new york times" which shows that theepublicans that were opposed to the vote. and it suggests that there were moderatesnd hard liners. so what does that tell us about the disputes within the republican party and how the president is going to get his agenda through going forward? >> the divisions here and the cracks within the republican

coalition are far deeper than they had been on other legisl e legislative issues. it's always been that you have this faction of hard line conservatives that really would block anything that leadership put forward. this though extended into the moderate section of the party, it extended into rural districts, suburban districts, earn members ever the paof the leadership were opposed. so this is a wide -- this was a widespread revolt. >> jonathan, we're just getting ready to hear from the have nvi president. what do you think he needs to say? >> what he needs to do which is what he will do is move on as quickly as humanly possible. i mean, i don't buy the idea that donald trump is that wounded, personally feels that aggrieved by this. obviously it was embarrassing

for him, but he was never particularly focused on health care. i think he realized it was a strategic blunder do it initially and i suspect he will pivot very quickly into full blown pop uhe limp. i think that we will see some interesting action in the next few weeks perhaps on -- >> okay. i need to interrupt you because we want to take you live to charleston where vice president mike pence is now speaking. >> hello west virginia. it is great to be back. and if only just to say thanks. thanks for your hard works your support. and your prayers. west virginia voted overwhelmingly to make donald trump the 45th president of the united states. and we will never forget it.

and let me thank our hosts. ronald reagan be foster and nancy reagan foster, they are my second favorite ron and nancys i've ever met. i want to thank them and the whole foster supply team and all the great employees who came out today. you've been building this state and building the american dream since 1981. in fact is, ron, i just heard that you have a wall division here at fosters. maybe we need to talk. what you've done is what makes the country great. for you and all the good people

and neighbors and freniends who have gathered to stand with us. give yourselves a round ever applause for coming out on a saturday afternoonen about and congressman,ing thank you for your support and for your service to this country. it's humbling to stand before you. i'm just a small town guy from sohern indiana. father imgranted to this country can and to think that i had the privilege to raise my right hand on january 209 ath a to september oath accepts oath of office was the greatest privilege. thank you west virginia.

it is the greatest privilege of my life to be vice president to president donald trump. president trump is my friend. he loves his family, he loves this country with boundless energy. optimism. curbi courage and determination. and let's me be clear on one thing. president trump is going to be the best friend might be small business will ever have. that is why he picked linda mcmahon to lead the small business administration. isn't she amazing? she started at titan sports and they biuilt it into an international enterprise, the wwe. any fan in the house?

i'm one. now she's bringing that great business experience to help small businesses across america grow and thrive. you know, linda, we're grateful for your leadership. but maybe we could have used a few of your wwe superstars on capitol hill yesterday. with linda at the sb we're listening listening to small business owners. like many with us today. would you join me in thanking all the great small business owners who are gathered here today, people that make quest virginia such a great place to live to work and to raise a family. thank you all.

he with ju we just had great conversation. we talked with these job dreecrr about less regulation, lower taxes, fair trade, better infrastructure and renewed focus on american energy. and i heard again from these west virginia small business owners about the need to repeal and replace obamacare. they told me how obamacare stands in the qway and stifles growth. it's a burden to job creator and to the american people. and i frankly -- i wasn't surprised to hear it. because every promise of obamacare has been broken. you all remember what they were. seven years ago after obamacare was signed in to law, they told us if you like your from, you can keep him. not true. they said if you like your health plan, you can keep it. not true. we were all told the cost of health insurance would go down.

well, that one wasn't true either. and west virginia knows this better than most. it's haheartbreaking to say is , premiums spiked by 32%. over 40% ever the state doesn't have any chance ever the insurance prior on the exchange. west virginvirginians and presi know the truth.ever the insurance prior on the exchange. virginians and president trump know the truth. every day obamacare survives is another day america suffers. that's why the president worked tirelessly over the last several week tas to get congress to rea and replace obamacare. you saw his resolve to work with whoever he needed to work with to get our plan across the finish line. i was inspired by president trump's determination and commitment to keep his promise to the american people. and the president and i are

grateful for speaker paul ryan and all the house republicans who stood with us in this effort to begin the end of obamacare. but as we all learned yesterday, congress just wasn't ready. you saw it. with 100% of house democrats, every single one and a handful of republicans actually standing in the way of president trump's plan to repeal and replace obamacare. we're back to the drawing board. you know, nancy pelosi actually said yesterday was a victory for the american people. but west virginia knows better. yesterday wasn't a victory for the american people. it was a victory for the status quo in washington, d.c. and the victory for the disaster of obamacare. but i promise you that victory won't lost very long.

as the president trump said, don't worry, america, he just tweeted morning, obamacare will continue to explode. and when republicans and democrats finally decide to come together and repeal and replace obamacare will be ready to get the job done. we'll piece together a great health care plan for the pple and end the obamacare night mayor andive t american people t world class health care that they deserve. until then, i can promise you, president trump is never going to stop fighting to keep his promises to the american people and we will make america great again.

next up we'll get part to jobs, jobs, and jobs. for every american. and wyche be we've been on that agenda. amazing to see jobs coming back to the country. last month the economy added 235,000 jobs,booming again. companies are canceling plans to move jobs and factories overseas and they are building them right here in america about once again. businesses and consumers haven't been this confident in years and by some measures for more a decade. the era of slow growth is over. and a new era of american growth and jobs has already begun.

on day one president trump went straight to work rolling back reams of red tape that have been killing jobs in small business america. he instructed every bureaucracy in washington, d.c. to find two regulations to get rid of before issuing any new regulations out of our nation's capital. he's already taken gdecisive action to protect jobs and workers and we will not stop until we end illegal immigration once and for all. just this week, the president trump authorized the keystone pipeline creating tens of thousands of jobs and protecting our energy future.

and folk, we're just getting started. next up, as the president said yesterday, we'll roll our sleeves up and we'll cut taxes across the woboard for work families, small businesses and family farms. working with this congress, president trump will pass the largest tax cut since the days of ronald reagan. and we'll get this american economy moving again. we'll reform the tax code and make it flatter and simpler and fair. i guarantee you there isn't anyone here including the fosters who could make sense of the tax code. there is an old joke about how the tax code in this country is ten times the size ever the bibof the bible with none of the good news. truth is our taxes make it far

too difficult for job creators and hard work people all across this country to get ahead to chaefr t chae chaech the american dream. that's why our plan will make americans more competitive. we will also cut the corporate tax nature america. we ha rate in america. we have one of the highest business taxes and we'll cut to 15% so american companies will invest in american operations to create american jobs. so we will cut taxes and we'll also get the economy moving with less regulation and more american energy. let me make you a promise. right after we dropped our right hands on january 20th, it was official. the war on coal is over.

and a new era of american energy has begun. foe far too long, politicians and bureaucrats in washington, d.c. have crippled our nation's economy and crippled west virginia's economy. without regard to the impact that it has on people's utility bills, the impact that it has on jobs of hard work americans. right here in west virginia, they pushed mining companies to the breaking point, they jeopardized thousands of good paying jobs and cut off a brighter future for countless families. items hart bre it's heart breaking to think that west virginia lost more than a third of its mining jobs. that over 130 mines have been shut down since 2009.

folks, that is not right.hard work men and women of this state that have been forgotten for too long and they will be forgotten no more under president trump. president trump has been fighting for west virginia and fighting for american energy. we're working with leaders in congress and working with the new director over at the epa scott pruitt to slash through red tape to make sure that unlaeku unelected bureaucrats can't cripple your economy from the comfort of their taxpayer funded metal desks in washington, d.c. we will get washington out of the way of energy producers and com mirns becau coal mirminers because energy m

growth for america and president trump digs coal. our country will be stronger. and west virginia will be stronger and more prosperous because of the president's leadership. when you get right down to it, president trump will create jobs and opportunity and prosperity in this country like never before. but making america great again isn't just about our economy. it also means protecting our nation and defending on yur way life. and i'm with him ery day. president trump has no higher priority than the safety and security of the american people. and that will always be true. that is why from the first day of this administration, president donald trump has been standing with the men and women in law enforcement all across

america and we always will. we'll work with the congress so they have resources and training they need to do their jobs and to come home safe to their families. there is a fair number of law enforcement with us today. i know most of you are standing, but would you take a minute to show the men and women in law enforcement here in west virginia just how much we all truly appreciate the job that they do protecting our families. president trump is putting our security first. and our i have a i safety first. that's why he's strengthening our borders. this president will build a law,

enforce our laws. and we're kt acting right now to take gang members, drug dealers and criminals that threaten our communities and prey on our zint off the streets of west virginia and off the streets of america. as the father of a united states marine, complete slet me say th heart. i couldn't be more proud and gratefulo say that we have a president who will rebuild our military, restore the arsenal of democracy, give our soldier, sailor, airmen, marine and coast guard the resources and training they need to accomplish their mission and come home safe at last.

so it's about job, it's about energy, our national defense. and president trump is also keeping one more promise i wanted to mention. and that is the promise that he made to nominate to the supreme court someone who will be faithful to our constitution by nominating judge neil gorsuch, president trump has kept his word to appoint a justice to the supreme court who will keep faith with the constitution and who will uphold the god given liberties that are enshrined there. you saw this week. my daughter was off work, she got to watch c-span. she told me she watched a lot of judge gorsuch's testimony. three days of powerful testimony before the senate.

judge gorsuch practimade it cle donald trump nominated him. he glo demonstrated temperament and intellect. and the praise is rolling in. truth is america saw this week what trd saw when he made that decision. judge neil gorsuch is one of the most respected, qualified and mainstream nominees to the supreme court in american history. but remarkably chuck shuchumer announced that they will physic filibuster his nomination. if we can gept get tt help of s

manchin and senator moore capi tichlt to, he will soon become justice neil gorsuch and the rule of law will be better for it.capito, h justice neil gorsuch and the rule of law will be better for it. president trump and i are confident that the united states senate will confirm judge neil gorsuch one way or the other. it is great to be in west virginia. my friends, we've come to a pivotal moment in our nation's history. in this moment, i think we need every freedom loving american, we need all of you to stand up,

to speak out, to take time as you've done today to come and be engaged and be involved. we need you to keep telling your neighbors here in west virginia we can do better. that we're renewing and restoring this country, that we can put america back on a path to a brighter future. and this i know we will do. because i have faith. you know, over the mantle of our home since my first run for office back in the year 2000 has been a framed copy of a verse from the good book. it was in our home in indiana. it was in the governor's residence in indiana when i served there. and now it hangs above the mantle in the home of the vice president of the united states. and it simply reads these words. for i know the plans i have for

you, plans to prosper you and not harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. you know, in november the people of west virginia voted to give america a president. a president with the strength and the courage and the vision to make america great again. you voted to give us a new leader who would make america prosperous again. and i believe with all my heart that with your continued support and faith and with god's help, together we will restore this country. that our best days are ahead and that together we will make america great again. thank you, west virginia. god bless you and god bless the united states of america.

>>s vice president wrapping up his words in west virginia, still vowing to repeal and replace obamacare. describing yesterday as a victory for those opposed to the president but saying that victory will not last. jonathan swann is back with us. and beth is on the road where lindsey graham just wrapped up a town hall. we'll get to graham in a minute, but first i want to ask you about what we just heard from the vice president. >> yeah, he's very good at projecting a reassuring demeanor especially after the big debacle yesterday. you could hear his voice sooth, calming, saying everything is still on track. president trump will make good on his promises. he said that he would make good on his promise to repeal and replace obama care which is kind of shocking given what happened yesterday the chances of that happening anytime soon are very,

very low. he also talked with wanting to say that the coal would survive and thrive under president trump, that jobs would come back. that neil gorsuch would be confirmed to the supreme court, all in the matter of wanting to make sure that people believe that president trump will complete his promises, complete what he said to the american people he would do when he was elected. and that that setback yesterday around health care is not the only thick that is going on, that there are plenty of other things that will happen that will make president trump prove that he has people eye intere's at heart. >> and jonathan, he said that the president made many calls. did he call any democrats? he also described the opposition as a handful of republicans. actually there was 14 republicans. >> there was zero outreach to democrats at any point in this process. and the opposition was substantial both within the house freedom caucus on the right and in the moderate

tuesday group. there was a view within the whip team in house leadership that if this thing went to the floor, it could crater. usually when you are close to a vote, people start to fall in line and start to vote. the opposite actually was probably going to happen whereby members sensed that this was dying and there was going to be a jail break. so both of those statements by the vi presint not aligned with reali. >> but the vice president getting back to i guess the agenda that has worked best for the president and that is jobs. >> yeah, look, i thought the most interesting thing -- two things that were interesting in that speech. one was when he said that we will pass the biggest tax cut since ronald reagan. this is trumpian in its promises, but they will have -- tax reform won't be easy. i mean, they still -- there is no agreement on how to pay for these large corporate and individual tax cuts.

house leadership wants to introduce what is called the border adjustment tax which would raise about a trillion dollars over ten years. but there are people including t gary cohen who don't like that idea and a lot of republicans who don't like it. so there is no agreement on how to pay for this massive tax did you tell. and gary cohen has said publicly that it has to be revenue neutral which means that it can't add to the deficit. now, i don't know how they will do this and i don't think republicans do either. >> and the question really is the president ran on being able to break the deadlock in washington to send the do nothing congress if you like. the question, is he going to be able to deliver on that promise. >> again, this is what he learned yesterday is that it's not as ease eas easy as making estate deal. this is a group of people on the hill who don't respond to normal political incentives. taking members of the house

freedom caucus out to dinner, putting your arm around them, giving them a ride on air force one, they don't care. they wart conservatint conserva concessions and trump learned that session. >> and beth has been listening to what lindsey graham had to say. take us through that, what was his take on the pulling of the bill yesterday? >> yeah, he got a lot of questions about the bill yestda we had a lot fired up constituents at this town hall meeting. they didn't like the fact that he had tweeted after the bill went todown that it was time to basically bring the democrats to the table by making wobamacare collapse. they didn't want to hear that. so when asked about it, he decided to elaborate a little bit more and he did talk about the importance of bringing both parties together. let's take a listen. >> i don't think one party will be able to fix this by themselves. so here is what i think should

happen next. i think the president should reor reach out to democrats. shy rea i should reach out to democrats. and say let's take a shot at dhog togeth together because it ain't working at doing by ourselves. >> and he got a lot of other questions, too. many, many questions about the possibility that the trump campaign had colluded with russia. he was pressed on whether he would investigate that. but he wasn't to that point yet. folks in the room definitely want an independent panel. the biggest reaction he got was saying that he assume supported and defended best betsy devos. he got boos. the most passionate moment of the town hall. >> all right. thank you grourt iyou both for

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nunes back pedaled on his own assertion that there was evidence of surveillance at trump tower last year. here's what nunes told reporters yesterday. >> i have been clear on this for many weeks now. there was no wiretapping of trump tower, that didn't happen. >> that is a different tone from nunes, a california republican, compared to his comments at the white house on wednesday. >> this is information that was brought to me that i thoult the president needed to know about sdwi incident am collectial collecti president trump and others were clearly put into intelligence reports. >> nunes also canceled an open hearing into the meddling. clapper, brennan and yates were set to testify. with us now, a man who worked as a double agent for the fbi against russian military intelligence. he's the and you had authorize of how to catch a russian spy.

i guess the question continues to be can nunes be a friend of president and true to his role as chair of that important committee? >> that is a good question. and i think have to lkt this and say look, we have to balance the obvious public appetite to know and understand what exactly happened. and frankly, the question of did the russians actually do something, which i think they did, and what was that thing and more importantly, look, we understand that -- obviously the russians interfered with our election with the dnc the and the e-mail stuff, but i think it was to frankly manipulate u.s. persons. and if that occurred, then to me that part of the russian operation is still ongoing. so we have to balance this call to inform the american public with frankly understanding the second part of that attack and obviously neutralizing it.

>> the fact that the russians are doing that, you know from your own experience, is that a surprise really though? that is what you would expect of foreign government to be trying to do. >> absolutely. and to that point, i've often said that when it comes to russian espionage and human collection, they recruit spies. we do the same thing. and ite's almost like being a traffic cop. you don't get promoted for writing less tickets. they look at this process. and when it comes to u.s. persons, when it comes to meeting with manafort or roger stone, were those people actually tasked. and that would have been illegal. if a foreign intelligence service gives you specific tasking and says go do this, that is illegal. i'm not so sure that it rose to that owe days. ju

occasion. just because they ahead meelgts doesn't mean it's illegal. >> so it's possible for what you're saying is it's possible for members of donald trump's campaign team to have had meetings to have interacted with russians they know if you like and for that not have been illegal? where is the threshold in your view? >> that is a great question. look, i can speak for myself. in my case, it took the russians almost two two years syears to they specifically asked knee colleme to collect information on a u.s. government wrep system. >> did you know you were being tasked?collect information on a government wrep system. >> did you know you were being tasked? sometime peems dons people donkt they are being tasked. >> they may say i want to do business with you, i want to hire you. as we saw with manafort. but there is a difference between that legitimate overt meeting to someone coming to you saying we want you do this and there is no other reason for

what they're asking you other than that they're tasked for something that purely benefits russia. it's not -- there is a very clear klelinend the dancean take years. so the fact that they are meeting with those people and they have been exposed, and i'm assuming they're still not meeting with any russian, may have ended that part of the operation. and look, it could have progressed a certain lefrlvel. so in those meetings, did it reach that level and i don't know the answer. >> and members of donald trump's campaign are volunteer to go testify. what might we hear from them, how important would those testimonies be? >> it is important, but i wonder if this is a bit of showmanship that says we want to be open. but clearly they're not going to admit to a crime. i'm assuming they will have couns counsel. so i kind of wonder here. i think one of the things that we can get from this, did they

travel abroad, did they meet with russians. these are binary questions. just because you admit you met with a russian, that doesn't necessarily mean you've committed a crime. russians approach people all the time and it didn't mean that it is a crime. so perhaps we will get some of those pedestrian things answered, but i don't think we'll get the answer to the big question which is was the trump campaign colluding with russian. >> all right. thank you for joining us. president trump warning today that obamacare will explode. what will be their next move? we'll discuss the gop's health care strategy going forward after this break.

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sglooe you're not one of those who voted for donald trump who wants him to just get rid of obamacare. >> oh, no, we have to have health insurance. there is no if, butts about it.

we have to have health insurance. >> that was jacob rascon talking about a voter about her health curre concerns that aren't going away any tile soon. president trump says he is ready to move on to tax reform. but that woman along with millions of americansmle soon. president trump says he is ready to move on to tax reform. but that woman along with millions of americanse soon. president trump says he is ready to move on to tax reform. but that woman along with millions of americans wondering what happens now. let's discuss. noel, if i can start with you, how do the republicans move forward now? how divided are the republicans? because ultimately the worst outcome for the president would be being unable to do anything if you like. >> well, first of all, this is a bipartisan problem. and this requires a bipartisan solution. and i think lindsey graham and a town hall had it right when he said, you know what, it's time

for donald trump to democra democrats. it's time if for lindsey graham to reach out to democrats. what do democrats need to find in this replacement of obamacare and what exactly into the rogue gop members that did not vote for it, what exactly are they looking for that would make them happy? what does everyone want to make this come together? because we're not going to get a solution to this if both the parties do not work together. and i don't think that donald trump has failed as a negotiator in this whole movement. i think that what is happening is we're finding out that this is such a bigger problem that we all have to -- this is beyond politics. we have to work together on this. >> so what do democrats want? that's the question. >> look, i think democrats passed wom caobamacare in 2009. it's been -- 2010 signed into

law and it's beither been work. perfectly, no. we have a foundation of a system that is insurin more people that are bringing costs down to for poor and low income work people to get health coverage pft problem the republicans have run into, and i love these calls for bipartisanship by the way, not one of them in the house voted for obamacare in 2010 and three senators did or two at the time. so on we put a plan in place. the trump administration learned that the american people, there is no outcry to replace it.we p. the trump administration learned that the american people, there is no outcry to replace it. what we talked about in the last four years of the obama operation administration, we need to fix it, you about you can't tloi throw the baby out w the bath water. >> but if isn't cheaper in many places. in many places the prospect is that it will get more expensive. >> i think there are things that need to be fixed. as i said, it's not perfect yet.

nobody believes it's work perfectly. but we enshuinsured more than 1 million who were uninsured, we have kids staying on their parent's health care, companies can't discriminal night pre-existing conditions. what you have to do is keep the bedrock foundation and where you need make changes on the cost curve, work with them. but work with the industry. this was a bill that everybody in the health care system rejected. the republican bill, trump/ryan bill. health insurance didn't like this, honesties didny honltss h, nurses can't like it. they said it would cause more harm than good. >> will republicans try fix obamacare now or will they still try to simply repeal it? >> i think what they will do is they will actually work together later down the line and try to get something done. but i have to -- >> with democrats? >> with democrats. yes, i think so. and i will telling you that obamacare isn't working because

a lot of people got voted out of office, house members and senate members, if you will remember mark pryor, tom cotton defeated him in the senate on big part becauseobamacare. nobody is happy with the raises rates spoken a lot have admitted that they're not really happy with this. so everybody needs to put politics aside and realize we have a problem here. let's work together and stop playing two sides of the fence and work together to get a solution. >> but the president has also talked about obamacare exploding. how bad does it have to get before republicans want to fix it? it seems like the equivalent of saying just let people suffer. >> no, no, no, i think what donald trump is trying to say is look, this sink is so bad, he's said it in a press conference, items so bad that he wanted to do something right now immediately to stop the hemorrhaging. there are people that cannot afford the rising rates.

so they won't won't have health care. so, yes, obamacare insured a lot of people, but right now the ramifications are the rising rates. >> there is a little bit of fiction here. let's be honest. there are 30 republicans who didn't stop support the republican plan. this isn't a problem of democrats. the republicans couldn't line up their own people. they had blue state rms against it, any had red state republicans against it, they had swing state republicans against it. they had four governors, two from the rust belt, ohio and michigan, who came out gentszag it fp nefvadnevada, arkansas. they have a plan that doesn't solve the problem and the fixes that we need. and that is why republicans deserted the president and the speaker of the house on this bill. >> we have to leave it there. >> this is not a republican problem. it's a bipartisan problem. >> the problem clearly is still to be fixed.

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hello, everyone. vice president mike pence just wrapped up his comments in charlest charleston, west virginia. president trump tweeted that obamacare will explode. the question is can he actually cause that explosion and if so, is there anything that he can do to prevent it. now with the health care fight behind them, republicans turn their focus on other items on their agenda including tax reform. but will the wound from the health care fight be too m