legalzoom. legal help is here. we want to get straight to breaking news we are following out of las vegas. a shooting in the heart of the vegas strip. you can see live pictures there now of the strip and what appears to be, according to reports, a bus -- police -- where there is someone held up there by police. police say a person has been shot and transported to hospital and that a man has barricaded himself. the police there are stressing that reports of a second suspect and other victims appears to be untrue. parts of cosmopolitan hotel were evacuated, and others guests were told to shelter in place in their rooms. you can see they're now what looks like live pictures of

people looking out across the strilooking at the situation. people look fairly relaxed, so they appear to be getting that message from police that it does not seem to be another suspect involved as far as the police are concerned at this stage, but part of the strip there cordoned off by police with a man in a standoff with police. we'll continue to monitor this breaking situation and bring you the latest as we get it. i'm keir simmons at msnbc world headquarters. our top political story of the day, a white house defiant over the collapse of the republican health care legislation. the president pledged in a tweet today not to fix obama care but instead watch it "explode" first. vice president mike pence just a short time ago in west virginia promising yet again to kill obama care. >> yesterday wasn't a victory for the american people. it was a victory for the status

quo in washington d.c., and it was a victory for the disaster of obama care. i promise you that victory won't last very long. >> the "wall street journal" reporting the president is now ramping up efforts to weaken obama care through waivers and rule changes. a risky strategy because over 20 million people are insured through the program. many of his own voters are included. it's also a mixed message after signaling friday he wants to work with democrats. democratic lawmakers as well as independent senator bernie sanders were celebrating the collapse of the republican health care bill. >> we managed as a result of the efforts of millions of people who stood up and fought back. we defeated a disastrous health care proposal. >> meanwhile, vice president offense blamed democrats and some republicans for the bill's failure. >> congress just wasn't ready.

you saw it. with 100% of house democrats evy single one and a handful of republicans actually standing in the way of president trump's plan to repeal and replace obama care. we're back to the drawing board. >> trump's first legislative defeat has opened up a major question about his ability to get things done. nbc's kelly o'donnell has more on what's next for the president. kelly. >> good afternoon, keir. the tweeted message from the president today included the phrase don't worry. that's how he is responding to the defeat on the health care law where republicans who expected to be able to repeal obama care fell flat on friday. members of their own house conference just would not support a bill, so now what do they do? well, the president wants to move on to things like tax reform. today in west virginia vice president mike pence also acknowledged the defeat and the disappointment on capitol hill. he had been a big part of trying to negotiate and sell the bill

that went nowhere. now they want to turn on to other things. focussing on jobs, they say. focussing on tax reremember for. a big question that will be tough to answer for a while is can the white house push through an agenda on capitol hill? they have a republican majority, but clearly not republican agreement on some issues. did the defeat on health care cost them capital they need to use for the next big fight on capitol hill? that's what we'll have to watch in the days and weeks to come. the president wants to say he can work with the democrats. some democrats are saying this health care victory was something that matters to them, matters to their supporters, their constituents. we'll have to see if they will be willing to work with the white house as well. some calls for bipartisanship in the face of deat and the white house trying to turn the page.

keir. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell, thank you. for more on the blame game fall-out. let's bring in charlie, host of public radio's rin divisible and an msnbc contributor. charlie, how did this bill go down? it was paul ryan's bad bill? the art of the deal president who couldn't get the deal done, or is the republican party simply deeply divided? >> all of the above. yes. you actually have a piece of -- yeah, i mean, you have liberals disliked it, conservatives disliked it. moderates disliked it, and so in the end they just were not able to get it across. of course, also the fact that you also had, you know, that cbo number that showed that 24 million people might have lost health care did not help. the quinnipiac poll showing -- to a certain extent, this thing was dead on arrival even before they pulled the vote on friday. >> what does it tell us about

the president's ability to govern at this stage, whether he has managed at this point to put together, if you like, a coalition that allows him to get things done. one of the things that was most striking is -- that he really didn't understand that making deals in real estate was going to be different than making political deals. really. who knew? very few presidents are defeated on their signature piece of legislation right out of the box. i would think that republicans are looking around and the daggers are all out. one of the things they have to realize is that donald trump's deal-making skills are perhaps not transferrable that he was not the closer when it came to the big promise that they've

been making for seven years. >> in terms of getting everything done, for every concession made to the hard line freedom caucus, it then pushed away moderates. here's what paul ryan said friday. >> moving to an opposition party -- we're feeling those groans growing pains today. >> ultimately, this all comes down to a choice. are all of us willing to give a little to get something done? are we willing to say yes to the good, to the very good even if it's not perfect? >> let's look at the graphic from the "new york times" titled who stopped the bill? ten moderates, eight other republicans, and 15 hard liners. republicans have been in the majority in the house since 2011. how did the president govern going forward? i mean, effectively, the republicans still seem to be divided. >> well, they not only seem to be divided, but they do not have a governing -- coherent governing majority. you know, i understand that they

want to move on to the next, you know, few issues, but repeeling obama care was from a republican point of view, that was the low-hanging fruit. you're going to find that tax reform is not going to be easy. immigration reform will not be easy. what you saw here was the fact that this was a preexisting condition. the divisions did not just explode in the last few days. this party has been divided for a very, very long time, and i think that paul ryan put his finger on it. this is a party that is more skilled in being an opposition and has not figured how to be in power. >> you mentioned tax reform. let's just take a listen to what the president said about tax reform. >> we'll probably be going right now for tax reform, which we could have done earlier, but this really would have worked out better if we could have had some democrat support. remember this, we had no democrat support. now we're going to go for tax reform, which i have always liked. >> now he needs to work with

democrats? >> well, good luck with that. look, one of the real problems of the defeat of this health care bill is they needed those tax cuts in order to set the table for the next tax cuts. the tax reform bill and the republican party is also going to be very, very divided on the whole issue of the border adjustment tax. that is not going to be easier. i also think there's a little bit of hopeful, you know, rhetoric about the bipartisan cooperation. i'm not sensing that there are a lot of democrats who want to bail donald trump out at this point. >> all right. thank you very much. speaker paul ryan says obama care will remain the law of the land for the foreseeable future, and that should please former secretary health and human services cathleen who helped guide the affordable care act into law during the obama administration. she joins me now.

that represents a turnaround in public opinion. is anything going to change about the way americans get their medical care on a regular daily basis? >> well, i think that it's got to be comforting to 20 million plus americans that the republican bill was pulled from the floor would have done enormous damage to people's health care and to people's financial security. it's a real question of what does the administration do. it remains the law of the land. are they going to allow the law to work? are people still qualified for subsidies and for cost sharing if they are the low income workers. what do they do about the penalty that is in the law so that young and healthy people

who can afford to buy insurance are part of the insurance pool. this year, for instance, about 38% of the enrollees were under the age of 35. that's a good mix. what happens if they don't enforce that rule? i think there's a lot of question left. you know, the president and speaker ryan say we are allowing the law to work, but if they continue to try and undercut the remaining framework, again, they are going to have a real problem with people with insurance companies, filing rates. insurance companies need some certainty. they need to know what the rules are, and right now i think it's a big question mark. >> let's listen p to what the president said after they were pulled from the house floor. take a listen. >> i'll tell you what's going to come out of it is a better bill. i really believe a better bill because there were things in this bill i didn't particularly love, and i think it's a better bill. you know, both parties can get

together and do real health care. that's the best thing. i think having bipartisan would be a big, big improvement. >> secretary, americans across the country will be watching this political fighting and worrying about their costs increasing. are they right to worry? >> absolutely they're right to worry. the bill that the republicans put on the floor, as i say, would have eliminated health coverage from about 24 million americans and the congressional budget office said everybody's premiums would go up, so that's a lose-lose situation. i think the were some things in the bill that are really valuable and worth looking . for instance, they have a stability fund so that states with a less competitive market can encourage insurers to

participate, put back in place kind of risk pooling and protections. that would be a very good way to go forward. most of the consumers, over 80% of consumers who signed up in 2017 actually paid no increase in premiums because there's subsidies increase with the premiums, but there are still some people who can't afford the coverage in the new marketplace. providing, again, some additional help, that would be a good thing. i think what's really dangerous that is part of the republican agenda is blowing up the 50-year-old federal-state partnership around medicaid. nothing to do with obama care in the expanded medicaid population, but the proposal on the floor of the house that was pulled yesterday would have taken almost $900 billion in federal funding away from the most vulnerable citizens in this country.

disabled citizens, seniors in nursing homes, pregnant moms and their kids. every state would have lost money, and that's a very dangerous proposal and, frankly, they needed that money to help fund the tax proposals that they want to discuss next. i think still there are a lot of questions marks about what kind of work do they want to do with democrats? is it about reforming and helping the health law to survive, people to have as the president promised more affordable coverage at less cost? i think democrats are all in. if this is about taking away money, about attacking the most vulnerable populations, about the federal government shifting, cost burden to states and to lower income individuals, i don't think they'll get any cooperation from democrats. >> meanwhile, families at home are left trying to figure this all out and what it means for them. former health -- >> you bet.

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>> the republican -- faces more cause for the independent panel to take over. critics are fueled, in part, by republican congressman -- backtracking yesterday that are suggesting earlier this week. again, president trump. >> can you clarify whether trump or his associates were monitored or just mentioned in these intelligence reports? >> we won't know that until we actually receive all of the

documentation. >> meanwhile, the new poll out this week shows two-thirds of americans surveyed want that independent probe. the investigative unit is in washington. trump and his aides were suggested to be monitored. do we know why he changed his tune? >> he misspoke. it was a muddled news conference about a complicated subject. he wasn't sure whether that happened. it could have just been foreigners talking to foreigners about trump and his associates. as you know, keir, that happens almost every day. they were eavesdropping on foreign diplomats, foreign embassies. it was during the trump transition. they were speaking about the trump administration in theory. who is up? who is down? that got picked up. now, the names of americans are supposed to be blacked out in intelligence reports, and nunez is raising the question about whether that occurred and whether these reports were

improperly circulated. the way he went about it, going outside the committee structure is really raising a lot of questions for democrats about whether he can be independent in this competition going forward, keir. >> how would an independent committee bork? would politicians be removed from the process? >> well, there's two things, right? there's the fbi investigation. that reports to the justice department. some people have called for a special prosecutor to oversee that. the congressional investigation is being run by republicans who control congress. in congress they would like that particular investigation to be handed over to an independent committee, which could mean non-politicians like the 9/11 commission, for example, with professional staff. these -- they don't have a lot of staff to do this investigation. at this point, though, republicans have been unwilling to go the route of an independent commission to investigate this, keir. >> bs in's ken delanie, and thanks for helping us understand

that. now let's bring in liz goodwin, and david french from the nashlg review. liz, here's what chuck schumer told rachel maddow last night about congressman nunez. >> he is way out of line and seems to be much more of an advocate for the administration. this troubles me. we have had a bipartisan tradition on the intelligence committees more than any other committeesani thinnunez is ruining that, and i hope -- i said this. i hope speaker ryan maybe will appoint somebody else. >> do you think that nunez potentially didn't understand the implications of what he is doing or maybe didn't understand the information that he had? >> i don't think anyone knows what congressman nunez is thinking this week. this is truly unprecedented the way he behaved, and he is taking heat from all sides. more democrats to be sure, but even senator john mccabe this week said he had lost confidence

in congress to handle the investigation into trump campaign ties to russia. i have no idea what he was thinking, but i think it's been a debacle. >> do you understand it, david? >> i don't understand it. i mean, i looked at it, and i couldn't figure out what was going on. in fact, it seemed that he wasn't rushing forward with any new information at all, going all the way back to march 1, the "new york times" had reported that officials from the outgoing investigation had spread information about their investigation into russia throughout different layers of the bureaucracy to make sure that investigation had some staying power. maybe it was referring to that. i don't know. it was so hard to tell. i thought it was -- it was disturbing primarily because i think it just gave a further impression to the american people that maybe outside of the fbi they don't have -- on the

bright side the senate intel committee seems to be doing a better job. >> effectively what it is that he was doing or thought he was doing. does he now need to be replaced to allow congress to objectively learn what happened in russia? david. >> you know, i think the way forward, there needs to be -- the fbi investigation, which i think was the one piece of really good news about all of this was that the fbi, which is an institution which still has the trust of the a larnl majority of the american people and is continuing its own investigation. not just into russian interference, but potential russian contacts with members of the trump administration. that investigation has to continue, and i've long been an advocate of an independent investigation of this affair. i mean, this is too important. we're talking about meddling with an american presidential election. we're now talking about multiple scenarios or it appears that the trump administration has said false things about its contacts

with russia. trump officials from its campaign in the summer before they were replaced who had longstanding deep ties to russia. all of this begs for the kind of investigation that the american people can have confidence in. >> meanwhile, as the president said this week, he felt somewhat vindicated by some of the comments. let's watch white house press secretary seanalexander's quest. >> given the fact that devin nunez doesn't know if the president was monitored or mentioned, what is he vindicated by? >> i think there has been an acknowledgment that there are documents out there showing that people were surveilled or monitored some degree. >> it tons to show that trfs something there. >> liz, anything from the white house to suggest that it will back track as congressman nunez

did. >> i don't think the white house is going to back track. nunez has said a similar thing. he went on fox news and said that part of why he felt the need to rush over to the white house or intelligence or whatever you'll call it is because the president was taking a lot of heat in the news media, and i do think that it seems as if this week was more spectacle than substance. >> david, we have nunez back peddling and james comey saying there's no information to suggest a wiretap. is the path clear to focus solely on russia and possible trump connections now? >> you know, i don't think a path is cleared anywhere. i do think what we've got is a situation that really truly -- we don't have any new revelations here. we have known for a long time that american intelligence agencies doing their job monitor russian officials.

we have known that trump administration officials despite their denials have had contact with some russian officials. we don't know the substance. we don't know what they talked about. they don't know what it was about. that's what the fbi is going to be looking into. i think the fbi ultimately may end up being the entity that provides clarity here. politically nothing is clear. politically the way -- there's no path forward politically. right now the only clear path seems to be the fbi unless there's an independent investigation aside from the fbi. >> some clarity would be nice, wouldn't it? it would be very nice. all right. liz and david, thanks very much. up next, republican senator lindsey graham is in his home state of south carolina just one day after the republican health care bill was withdrawn. we'll go there live to hear what he had to say and how his constituents responded. and after failed deliver to -- what's next for republicans and the trump agenda?

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>> breaking news. we are following it out of las vegas. a shooting in the heart of the vegas strip. one person has been transported to the hospital. a gunman is believed to be barricade oddd on a bus. we'll continue to monitor this breaking situation and bring you the latest as we get it. >> we're moving forward. next up we're going to get back to the president's three-part agenda. jobs, jobs, and jobs. >> the president said obama care will explode and we will all get together and piece together a

great health care plan for the people. don't worry. republicans face tough questions about health care and ear issues from his south carolina constituents. he hosted a town halln state capital columbia. political editor beth fogey is there. were his constituents angry? >> well, i would say they were pretty much fired up. i don't know if angry is quite the right word. people are feeling very passionate about all sorts of issues. lots and lots of questions. i suppose there's a collusion between the trump campaign and russia. a lot of those constituents are asking senator graham to support an independent commission, to look into the allegations. he said he wasn't ready for that yet, but he would keep watching. the nominee to be the new supreme court justice, a lot of people feeling like that was a stolen seat and that it shouldn't go to somebody who when merrick garland had been nominated by president obama last year and never even got a hearing. there are questions about trump's tacks. there are questions about betsy devoss, the education secretary. yes, of course, there are

questions about health care because of what happened yesterday. there in washington the defeat of that gop house bill. a lot of people had real concerns about senator graham because he had come out with a series of tweets yesterday saying collapse and replace hash tag. he wanted to see whether obama care, if it was brought to the brink, would bring the republicans and democrats together. a lot of his constituents didn't like that. when he got into that town hall meeting today, he endeavored to explain himself a little bit more. he insisted that obama care could not last. take a listen. >> the bottom line is with obama care is that middle class families have deductibles and premiums that have skyrocketed because somebody else is getting it for free. that ain't health care reform. that's just redistribution of inco income. >> well, as you can imagine, you heard the reaction there, a lot of people in the audience pretty staunch defenders where, they don't want it to go away. they just want to get it fixed.

we talked to some people before the event about their opinions, and we heard that quite a bit. take a listen. >> i think weeed to fix it, not replace it. i think we need some bipartisan support. i think we need to just sort of step back at this point. let's have a bipartisan effort to work and fix it. obviously the democrats have offered to mix it but haven't gotten any buy-in yet from republicans. let's work together. it can be fixed. there are certainly things that are wrong with it, but let's work together for a change. >> that was definitely the sentiment we heard from a lot of people, keir. let's bring both parties together. this like doing it one way, my way or the highway isn't going to work. bring democrats to the table. bring republicans to the table. president trump. anybody who has a good idea, let's all come together, figure out how to solve this problem, get health care to people, and senator graham certainly heard that from his constituents today. he said that he is all for it.

keir. >> lawmakers across the country will be getting messages from their constituents. some pretty tough messages in some cases. nbc senior political editor beth, thank you very much. joining us now is associate dean of the university of california riverside school of public policy and republican strategy just brian murray is also here. how would you describe the way your party looks today. >> now we have to govern and get things done and come together. if we don't come together and while we're coming together as well, we need to reach across the aisle and bring democrats with us. this party has to work across the aisle. that was one of the biggest things we had a challenge with

our previous president. he didn't work well across the aisle. it cost us a lot in washington as a country. i think there's an opportunity now to move forwd, and you have already seen that with this president right now as he worked with senators from west virginia and others that have an opportunity to work with this president opposed to against. >> what democrats are complaining about is that they weren't contacted in the run-up to this bill. huh, brian? >> i think when you are talking about that, you are talking about house democrats who put a wall up and decided we weren't going to work with the republicans on this whatsoever. if you look at what's been going on right now in the senate, not on this bill specifically, but on the general idea of working together and reach across the aisle. there are opportunities there, and i think also this president going forward -- is he going to bring them to the party or stay out there on their own. i think that's a big problem going forward. >> the president complained

yesterday that no democrat supported are him. here's chuck schumer, the democratic leader of the senate. >> on day one the president said i'm going to introduce repeal. now, we democrats have been against repeal from the get go. they never talked to us once. this president, whenever he runs into trouble, he points fingers. he has to learn to lead. >> what is the president's political strategy going forward? does he need to reach out to democrats or can he hold his party together and get things done simply with republicans? >> well, we saw with this bill that it was really hard to hold that party together. with those differences, big differences, between the moderate wing and the freedom caucus, it's one thing to say that the president is going to try to reach out to democrats and who is going to count on them for future legislation, but it's really hard given the rhetoric that he has used. contrast that with obama. obama had dates. he had -- he had huntsman as

ambassador to china. these wereepubcanshat he brought on board trump hn't done that. he has done the exact opposite. it's going to be a much harder hill for him to climb to reach out to democrats. >> the time is right this morning. go ahead. >> i was going to say, that was a great talking point of the democratic side. you talk about cabinet picks. you are also talking about a president that's been there just over 60 days right now. this process right now for fixing the health care system is a challenging one. we saw the sausage being made here. it tastes great in the morning. we didn't get to make it that time around. the process required certain things to be done in this bill and didn't allow other things because of what has to be done in the senate. >> at this point -- the times this morning saying the president must now try to move quickly to make good on his other promises. tax reform, the border wall, and investment in infrastructure. can any of these things happen now that the president and paul ryan have blown it on the health

care bill? >> i firmly believe that those things can get done. i was talking to a former senator this morning who talked about that and there are ways to cut the budget, take those funds, and put that back into infrastructure and get something done there. i think there's an opportunity also for tax reform. americans want jobs. they want to put food on their table and a roof over their head. the stronger the economy is, the better for all those involved. that's one thing that republicans and democrats can all agree on. the question is how to do it and what they're going to do. republicans are going to be able to get tax cuts they need to grow the economy or democrats going to stand up and say we don't want to cut taxes. we want to keep as much money as we can and spend as much as we can. >> let's listen to top republicans in washington right now and then come back. >> the president gave his all in this effort. he did everything he possibly could to help people see the opportunity that we had with this bill? he has really been fantastic. still, we got to do better and we will.

>> yes, i am. like speaker ryan. he worked ry, very hard. a lot of different groups. he h a lot of factions, and there's been a long history of liking and disliking even within the republican party long before i got here. >> can you give me a prediction for where we are six months from now, a year from now in terms of the way that democrats would have approached this and how republicans would have handled this? >> absolutely. i'm not registered with either party. i'm by no means a democrat. in terms of the republican party, the big question is whose party is it? is it donald trump's party or paul ryan's party, and we're seeing a big problem with lack of party discipline, and that's going to be problematic. especially if you are talking about the infrastructure bill. that freedom caucus will be a problem because we don't want to see big increases in spending without -- in terms of cuts elsewhere. similarly with tax cuts, that

same freedom caucus is going to raise the alarm about not increasing the deficit so they're going to want to see big cuts in spending somewhere, and there are many constituencies throughout the country that are going to rise up and try to protect those spending programs. it's going to be very difficult to get big policy changes done. >> i guess a crucial question is whether the president still trusts speaker ryan. >> well, he does, most certainly and i think you saw that yesterday when they were at the white house. they were talking, and the words he said afterwards. look what we have this week too. in this whole conversation we haven't brought up a supreme court justice at this point. now the democrats are claiming that they're going to try to filibuster that. when you get that through with this president right now that's another thing on the campaign trail. those get passed from the senate, and you get things done in washington. to do it lindsey gham i right. you have to bring democrats to

the party and show that we are different than democrats. we're willing to reach across the aisle and work together. we're not going to the far left, but we can reach across and get some of the centrist democrats. >> brian murray, thank you both. military officials are investigatoring reports that a large number of civilians were killed in the u.s. air strike last weekend in mosul, iraq. the latest when we come back. roll-formed steel bed of the chevy silverado to the aluminum bed of this competitor's truck. awesome. let's see how the aluminum bed of this truck held up. wooooow!! -holy moly. that's a good size puncture. you hear 'aluminum' now you're gonna go 'ew'. let's check out the silverado steel bed. wow. you have a couple of dents. i'd expect more dents. make a strong decision. find your tag and get 15% below msrp on select 2017 silverado 1500 crew cabs in stock. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.

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locals and ngo's are saying this is part of an uptick in u.s. strikes in recent months. the pentagon insists there has been no chaung in the rules of engagement despite donald trump saying he wanted to dramatically step up the bombing against isis. now, the centcom said today in a statement that there was an ier strike in the area where these allegations took place, and they are investigating. the way they do that is they look at overhead video strike. they interview the participants. they look at intelligence reports. these kinds of investigations take weeks or months, and often there's a discrepancy between what the pentagon finds and what the aide groups on the ground say, keir. zoo as far as we understand there is no relevance that it is now -- do you expect the trump administration to come at something like this? >> they haven't asked. with all the crazy political news going on in washington, it

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even people who support president trump are pushing back on what they saw as a failure from the start. >> i don't think it's informed. i don't think they were ready. you cannot slam something so incredibly layered and complex together in that many days. i don't care how many people are working on it. you cannot do it. it took them so much longer to craft aca, and it still isn't correct. >> vaughn joins me from kansas. how concerned are the health care providers that you have been speaking to? >> keir, in terms of health care providers, one of the things you got a to look at here is looking

over at their patients. i only talked to one individual in the last 36 hours leading up to the time in which the bill was actually pulled and since paul ryan took it off from being voted in congress yesterday afternoon. only one individual that i spoke to has actually said they wish to see the bill go through. you talk about health care providers. one of those that i talked to was actually executive director of a free medical clinic down in wichita, which is about an hour south of where i am right now. she said, listen, our health clinic, which they do not take medica, but they also don't see patients with insurance.

>> it didn't even get a chance to take off. >> that last gentleman you just heard from was a chiropractor next door. he was a trump voter. he is not just a volunteer, but he has been a patient at that clinic. i think what's important is the fact of affordability. whether it be clinton voters, trump voters. there is this demand and a need for something in order to go through, and you know you heard lindsey graham at his town hall earlier mention potential bipartisan bill. mike pence earlier today said something would be done very soon to get rid of obama care. what exactly does that look like? not sure. you talked to republicans. you talk to democrats. there is still a desire, still a need, but when you look at what the congressional budget office said about that last bill, it leads -- led these people that i have talked to towards that skepticism saying, hey, 24 million people potentially would go without health care as a result of the bill passing. in terms of actual -- the premiums would cost, the cbo said it will only go down by 10% to number of years from now,

which was among the major concerns among trump voters here was affordability. that exact very point. when you go around talking to these people, they said let's go and take it through that process and air this out and get a little bit better understanding of what potential bill would do. you know, donald trump only had one public event, and that was in kentucky in which he actually touted the health care bill. here in kansas their two u.s. senators haven't had a town hall. their congressman hasn't had a to hal you go across the united states. not my people outside. a few congressmen and lindsey graham have actually had a bill within the last three weeks since that initial bill was put up to the public. >> talking about the politics and fascinated, i guess, by the politics, it's easy to forget that there are people across the country that are worrying about what this means for them. what kind of reaction have you picked up. how many people do you think are feeling about the prospects of their families? >> exactly. this is what i found over the course of going through trump

country. oklahoma, texas, louisiana. the health care crosses party lines. it's not liberal or conservative. people struggle to pay for health care. those that are not covered by medicaid, kansas, for example, is one of those states that hasn't passed medicaid expansion. in talking with these families, they say, hey, we've got children that we're trying to cover. we're also trying to -- you talk to the woman that runs gigi's cafe in singer, texas, and she said i'm a die hard democrat, but the affordable care act ultimately didn't take care of me. the subsidies aren't enough for me in order to cover my family. keir. >> bs in's vaughn hilliard just talking to folks. perhaps the most important segment of this hour. that's it for us this hour on msnbc. i'm keir simmons. thank you for joining us. stay with us for much more news in our next hour. come on dad!

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