republicans have spent the last 30, fort years trying to replace this image of callousness toward the poor, of callousness toward the elderly with this idea of compassionate conservatism. that was whisked away in this process. there was a cruelty to this bill that was even apparent to consertive voters, to repuican vers who were shocked. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm jonathan capehart in for joy reid. now, you just saw her on "meet the press" and as we speak she is running over to come join us on her set. before joy gets here, let's talk about the elephant in the room and that is the republican health care fail. as you know, the american health care act is doa, but behind that big headline, which was seven years in the making, is the developing narrative about a potential political blowup between the trumpian/bannon

world and the ryan republican faction. these days the front page of bannon's old stomping ground, breitbart, suggests that trump's white house is in a full-on civil war with the battle for trump's right-hand man reaching game of thrones level proportions. the alt-right blog has led the charge in blaming paul ryan for the health bill's failure. it's also starting chatter as replacing ryan as speaker of the house pinning the stunning health care loss on ryan. after trump set a tweet about janine's fox show another right wing outlet got involved. >> now, i certainly have not spoken with the president about any of this, but i can only imagine that he and his aides took on health care because they believed you had his back and you didn't. paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house.

>> as these internal republican factions solidify and we learn just how much control trump has over them, perhaps the lesson learned is when your party plays the game of thrones, you win, or your bill and your clout die. joining me now, scott ross, executive director of one wisconsin now, former breitbart media consultant kurt bodela, e.j. dion ne, author with joy reid of "we are the change we seek" and charlie sykes. gentlemen, thank you all very much for being here. kurt, i've got to start with you. you used to work at breitbart, you know steve bannon. i want to throw up this steve bannon quote. it's element one and then we'll go to element two. this is a quote about the health care fallout. the hill article was reporting on the report, bannon apparently had a conversation with the freedom caucus in the eisenhower executive office building when some members visited the white house.

he said guys, look, this is not a discussion, this is not a debate. you have no choice but to vote for this bill. here's the responses quote, which i love, according to the report. one of the freedom caucus members said about what bannon said, one of the members replied, you know, the last time someone ordered me to do something, i was 18 years old, and it was my daddy, and i didn't listen to him either. is this the steve bannon you know, the person who walks in and just says you will do this or else? >> yeah. i've said before steve ran breitbart very much like a dictatorship. it was his way or the highway. he had no appetite for dissention, no appetite for pushback, no dissent opinions. he had no appetite for people against his world view. in this case, when steve bannon walks into a room, he expec everyone to fall in line. if not, he'll tell his bos to go create an enemies list.

>> okay. so if not, create an enemies list, but personalitywise how does steve bannon react to humiliating defeat? >> i would say he's never experienced anything quite like this but steve will work on retribution. i guarantee right now he is actively plotting to try to take down anyone who's been an obstacle to him. >> e.j., does that make any sense whatsoever in the world of politics or white house politics to create an enemies list especially after your first legislative defeat? >> well, the last guy who had an enemies list didn't do very well with it a long time ago. i am struck we're watching fox news. this is like the old kremlin and you read to find out who's going to be purged next. this is kind of crazy. trump is very good at one thing, which is blaming other people for failures. i think what you're seeing here are trump people blaming ryan, congressional people blaming

trump, and they are both right, because i recommend everybody read tim alberta's great piece in politico this weekend. he's a conservative journalist, got really inside this process. two things emerged from that. one is trump had no idea what was in this bill. he didn't care. he used an expleve toalk about the details, a that didn't help him win any support for this bill. he thought he could do what bannon did, you vote with me or else and people said i'll take the or else. then with ryan, he didn't work this the way obama, pelosi and reid worked health care. he thought he could pull this thing off the shelf, get people to vote for it and move on to tax cuts. of course this bill was tax cuts. that didn't work either. and really significant, he didn't just lose freedom caucus people, i think all these demonstrations you've seen out there had a real effect on some of these non-far right republicans who said, wait a minute, i don't think it's a good idea to vote to take health

insurance away from all these people so it was a fundamental faf failure of substance and not just politics. >> and you're talking about the town halls. >> yeah. >> charlie sykes, let me bring you into your conversation and get your reaction to what you've just heard and what you think about what the hell is happening with the white house and this huge failure? >> it is a huge failure. it's a humiliating failure. it's interesting that the new gop strategy or the trump world strategy is to come down from the hills and shoot the wounded. two things are happening this morning that are very, very interesting. number one, trump is lashing out at the conservative groups that opposed the health care bill. at the same time, he's outsourcing the attack on paul ryan to the low brow fans at breitbart and fox news. so he's opened a two-front war here, which is he's going after the conservatives that opposed him but also the conservatives that supported him, what could possibly go wrong here? this is an interesting moment.

and i know now people are talking about well is donald trump going to pivot to the left on the infrastructure bill? good luc withthat. i'll be very interested to know how many democrats are going to be willing to enter into the bargain that has not worked out well for republicans so far. >> scott, let me bring you in here. before i get you to talk, let's play element three, and the lovefest between president trump and speaker ryan in the immediate aftermath of the debacle on friday. >> the president gave his all in this effort. he did everything he possibly could to help people see the opportunity that we had with this bill. he's really been fantastic. still, we've got to do better and we will. >> you're confident of speaker ryan's leadership and his ability to get things done? >> yes, i am. i like speaker ryan. he worked very, very hard. a lot of different groups, he's got a lot of factions and there's been a long history of liking and disliking, even within the republican party long

before i got here. >> and so the very nice words from the president on friday. but as we saw janine pero go after speaker ryan and whether he should remain as speaker, you're from wisconsin. does speaker ryan deserve the brick bats that he's getting in all of this? >> listen, paul ryan has been the sacred cow of wisconsin politics for 18 years. and what we have seen is any time the guy has to take a punch, like, foinr instance, i 0 2012, he lost his ward 2-1. he lost the city of janesville. over and over again you see paul ryan is propped up as this genius of policy. he's had seven years to craft a policy. what he comes up with is 24 million people cut from their health care. you pay more for less care. i guess the onlyhing that lasted shorter than ryancare was scott walker's presidential bid last year. >> you say that with some

satisfaction. >> and a bit of relish. >> i just say that if steve bannon and paul ryan are going to go at it, who's going to win? a, steve bannon, b, paul ryan, or c, all of us who get to watch. >> i want to bring in one other person we haven't talked about and that is chief of staff reince priebus. let me put up element four, i should have warned the control room before. but there's a whole blame reince faction out there. this is from saturday "new york times." increasingly the blame has fallen on reince priebus who coordinated the initial legislative strategy on the health care repeal with speaker paul ryan, his close friend and felly wisconsin native, according to three people briefed on the president's recent discussions. and then today on "fox news sunday" chris wallace asked the chief of staff are you in trouble? and of course the answer was, no, i'm not in trouble. i'm not in trouble at all. i talked to the president. we get along just fine.

but what else is he going to say? and to that i want to bring in a very special guest to get her reaction to all of this, ryan, bannon, priebus, and that is the host of "a.m. joy," joy reid. joy, what do you make of all of this? >> fresh from running up three flights of stairs in heels so don't say that women can't rule the world. it's very interesting. so you had president trump blame democrats really sort of oddly yesterday and democrats were like, yes, thank you, please blame us because we want to take the credit for killing this horrible bill and then he wakes up a sends this tweet blaming the club for growth and the freedom caucus. trump doesn't seem to care that much about health care but he did deploy this very green team. reince priebus does not have experience passing legislation on capitol hill. the quality of his staff i think is not the best. so it is interesting that now he's turning on all of these conservative groups. who's he going to turn to to do his next tax cuts.

>> charlie, let me bring you back into this discussion. does it make much sense for the president to wage this all-out war, all-out battle on fellow republicans, moderate and conservative, what have you, when he's got, what is this, day 65? he's got three and a half more years -- >> feels like five years, doesn't it? >> he's got three and a half more years of presidenting to do and legislative accomplishments that he hopes to make. how can he make them if he's at war with his own party? >> yeah, so far the only president who had a worse 100 first days would be william henry harrison who didn't last past 30 days. this is what is so dangerous for the republican governing majority at this point. you had this disaster on friday. the president made it really clear he didn't care that much, he wasn't engaged, he wasn't passionate, he never bothered to learn the details of the bill. now by outsourcing the attacks

and allowing the long knives to come out, i think he puts his entire agenda at risk unless somehow in some alternative universe chuck schumer is going to come forward and say let's work together, let's pass this huge infrastructure bill which will further tear apart the republican majority, will further tear apart conservative support. so i'm not sure that you're seeing as much of a strategy as you're seeing t president's lack of impulse control, lash out at people who didn't bow the knee. >> first of all, i salute charlie for bringing in william henry harrison. that's so good to have somebody with a historical sense. i think the attack on priebus is a kind of dodge to attack ryan. that priebus is ryan's guy and it's easier at the moment to go after priebus. parts of the white house have been going at him a long time. and charlie is right, if he were to turn to democrats, a, democrats are a whole lot less inclined to work with him on

infrastructure today than they might have been the week after the election. everything he's done has been to attack president obama, attack hillary clinton, attack democrats, attack obamacare. so he's lost the room -- some room to do that. and as charlie said, if he ever did do that, he would just completely blow up the republican party. so these aren't good choices. >> and democrats also want to be re-elected and their grassroots, which really led the opposition to this bill, have made it very clear that working with donald trump is not an option. i have a question for kurt but i have to share this graphic that chuck just used on "meet the press" that talked about the amount of time spent working on trying to get these things done. obamacare, 187 legislative days, welfare reform 66, tax reform, 323. they spent 17 days on this trumpcare bill, 17 days. but i am curious to ask kurt because this civil war that we've known has been going on below the surface between the

bannon faction, the breitbart faction and the priebus faction, reince priebus, the vice president and paul ryan, is this now going to be open warfare? because it does seem that trump has decided to make w on the freedom caucus, but the freedom caucus is making war on ryan. it kind of helps him, right? because the freedom caucus has already half destroyed paul ryan. are we really seeing the breitbartians trying to take ryan down? >> in the immediate aftermath of health care being pulled, breitbart had a front page about a coup against ryan. so i think there's no question we have open warfare. it went from this is the democrats' fault. of course i forgot all the meetings that the democrats were invited to the white house. what happened to those? it went from that to, okay, now it's paul ryan's fault, now it's the freedom caucus, now it's the freedom partners in heritage, they have moved so quickly away

from blaming the democrats because it was laughable and not believable, but now they have no choice but to do open warfare. it's game of thrones. they're trying to all survive. all these competing factions. trump is known for jumping around, listening to one person here, one person there. whatever sticks that moment is where he goes and nobody wants to lose their seat next to the president. it's not an accident and it's been observed that steve bannon goes everywhere with trump. he has taken a job not as chief of staff. he didn't want to be in charge of the minutia that takes you out of the room and not sitting next to the president all day. >> the advantage that ryan has, nobody in his or her right mind wants his jobightow and that's why he might be able to keep it. >> that's exactly it. i want to thank you to kurt bardella. the others will be back and so will i because i'm giving joy her show back. up next, a real plot to remove a legal u.s. resident from the country and deliver him into the hands of an autocrat.

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the committee will ask director comey and admiral rogers to appear in closed session and will postpone the previously scheduled march 28th hearing in order to make time available for director comey and admiral rogers. >> when devin nunes abruptly canceled the second public hearing in the house's probe into russia's meddling in the election, adam schiff made no bones about what he thought was really going on. he tweeted breaking. chairman just cancelled open intelligence committee hearing with clapper, brennan and yates in attempt to choke off public info. well, as of now we have no idea when nunes will release his stranglehold on that information

to the public. what we do know is that in the meantime the list of questions that need answering only grows longer because we can now add this one to the list. the bombshell revelation from former cia director james woo s woolsey, the allegation that michael flynn brainstormed with turkish officials on how to seize turkish cleric, who is a legal u.s. resident, and send him to turkey in what woolsey described as a covert step in the dead of night to whisk this guy away. wow. joining me are former state department spokesperson, naayera hawk. naveed jamali. i'm going to start with you here at the table. this is a bizarre story, this idea that mike flynn, who would become the national security advisor to donald trump, was essentially going to rendition a green card holding turkish

citizen to turkey. is that even legal? >> and this is going to be the fascinating part of this. all immigrants who come from another country to the united states and believe the united states is their home and go through the legal process to become permanent legal residents are worried about exactly the situation where a tie potentially to a previous country you no longer consider home is enough grounds to be whisked away in the middle of the night. this is another step of the trump administration undermining the rights not just of immigrants but of the judicial system in this op-ed that flynn wrote in the hill right before the election, he mentioned that this -- lambasting this cleric and mentioned that the judicial system should work against him. that's, again, political pressure on the judicial system. it is another step in politicizing our national security. >> and this is a cleric named gulen. he is considered by the government of turkey, they

believe that he was behind a plot that was an attempted coup against the autocrat that runs turkey, a coup that just happens to have taken place, malcolm nance, on the same day that mike pence was nominated to be donald trump's vice president. there was a story in a government newspaper, basically a mouthpiece of the turkish government that talked about michael flynn having this meeting, and this is a january, 2017 article, that michael flynn met with the foreign minister of turkey. here's an interesting little nugget that they mentioned. it says house intelligence committee congressman, devin nunes, a republican heavyweight, also attended the breakfast. that's weird. what do you think, malcolm? >> that's beyond weird. i mean we are in a -- we are well through the looking glass today. i mean what we have here is a situation that a foreign source,

verified by a former director of central intelligence, that there was an act of conspiracy by the incoming national security advisor and the incoming chair of the house intelligence committee to actually abduct a permanent u.s. residence and rendition him covertly to a foreign power while under pay from that foreign power. that violates the u.s. code section 1201 for kidnapping. that is a federal felony and will end you up at the federal courthouse in arlington. i believe if this is true, this is where michael flynn is going to spill the beans. he is going to be brought in on this. they are going to pressure him on that. and he is just going to talk about everything to get himself out. he is graced at this point. if this has the slightest whiff

of truth. jim woolsey is a pretty straight-up guy. if that is true, an american citizen planning to abduct another resident of this country in order to satisfy his foreign pay master, this now goes from espionage to criminal rico conspiracy. >> and let's not forget it was malcolm nance who said he thought it was flynn that was going to flip. i was floating manafort but this is the guy that said flynn. you now have a harvard university professor saying on friday saying her sources say they might have already cut a deal with the fbi. he may have beaten paul manafort and others in that foot race. the other strange thing that you're seeing now is a potential that the white house may be looking to sort of clean up after itself a little bit. you had the reporting from our own andrea mitchell that white house people, people in the white house are blanking their phones, are going back and

purging what's in their phones. we just had from politico on friday the news that the tv surrogate in the white house, pushed out.pshteyn is being the story is reading as if its his green room antics. he's a very blelligerent force n the green rooms but he's also a russia national. i wonder if it has more to do with his business or personal ties than his green room shenanigans. >> i was always taught when working with the fbi. if you have to lie to the russians, don't look down and to the left because that's a tell. this is a tell. the white house by just culling heads here, they look guilty. whether they are or not, it is a move -- look, as you said, boris was born in russia. there was a whole host of baggage that came with him. i believe he was arrested for -- he has -- he has a very strong

reputation, not a very positive one, as you alluded to. so whatever the truth about boris, i think what this does is just make the white house look guilty. the fact is that they are going to start removing people, which frankly as we saw with michael flynn, these people should have never been let in in the first place. they should have done the basic security background vetting. and now if they're going to start cutting people after the fact, it looks like michael flynn saying, oh, by the way, i could have registered as a foreign agent for turkey. oops, forgot about that. it's a little too little too late. i agree with malcolm, this is -- i think we're starting to see the death spiral here. >> and we should note that we have no idea why boris has left the white house. we don't know. as i said, the stories on its face, they just talk about the fact that he was not welcome in a lot of green rooms because of his behavior. you just don't know at this point. the point is this is either a series of ince coincidences, lots and lots and lots, lots of people with ties to russia, lots of people not

registering as a foreign agent and being an agent for turkey or russia. it's a lot. have you in your experience in working in government, in working in the state department ever seen this series of things, even a vanishing member of congress, devin nunes, literally vanishing, getting out of his uber, taking a phone call and then disappearing and the next day announcing he's got some evidence that he's walked back from. in your view can this all be coincidental. >> very, very difficult for it to be coincidental if people were doing their jobs. the jobs you're supposed to do in the transition is to vet people. when you apply for a security clearance, you have to give up ten years of extremely detailed information that most people have to go back and look atd records to even remember where they were, where they were living and what they were doing at the time. that doesn't seem like it happened with a majority of the people who are close to president trump and in the white house right now. so that's a security problem right there. and then there's the national

security interest of the connections. this is the party that used to be reagan's party, that used to be all about the cold war and breaking down the gridlock and the hold that the russians had on europe. and now it is the party that is bending over backwards to clean the slate and make it look like working with russia is the greatest thing since sliced bread. so the irony there is unreal and how quickly that turned in the last three or four months. the only reason that is, is because you have republicans in congress who feel they have to defend their president, their party's president, who frankly doesn't seem to show any loyalty in turn. we saw how he threw paul ryan under the bus for health care. he got rid of flynn in two seconds. he's getting rid of boris. all these people, corey lewandowski, paul manafort, even back in the campaign. trump's loyalty is to himself. all these people who are trying

to defend him, they're going to be hanging dry and running to do fbi to explain. >> the web is very weird. let's not forget we elected a president who back in the '80s was putting himself forward as the guys who could negotiate a nuclear deal with russia. >> and a head of the state department who had the order of freedom. >> it's all weird. it could be all coincidental, we just don't know. thank you very much to our team talking about russiagate. coming up, vladimir putin has a favorite in the upcoming presidential election in france. will trumpism continue to spread across the globe? stay with us.

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they were unusually loud in their intervention. it's almost as if they didn't care that we knew what they were doing or what they wanted us to see what they were doing. it was very noisy. >> in his testimony before the house intelligence committee, fbi director james comey noted how bold the russians were in their interference in the u.s. election. but my next guest says that may be subtle compared to vladimir putin's approach to next month's french presidential elections. christopher dickey writes that putin has endorsed his candidate, marine le pen who met with putin in russia on friday. people may joke darkly about

trump as the putin candidate but about le pen, there is no doubt at all. putin may want to spend less time meddling in other people's politics. today crowds have gathered for demonstrations against corruption in vladimir putin's government. back with me are nayyera and e.j. and joining me is christopher dickey. christopher, great piece that you wrote. talk a little about this interference. the "the guardian" has a headline saying putin told le pen that russia has no plans to meddle in the french election. you say that is balderdash. >> reporter: it's absolutely balderdash. he received marine le pen as if she were a head of state. she was shown to museums, she was meeting with the lower -- the leader of the lower house of parliament in russia. then she went and saw putin. she wasn't on the official schedule but immediately the

kremlin released photographs of putin and le pen sitting together conferring so she would look statesman-like which is something very few would have said about marine le pen. there's no doubt. in the weekend paper it said he dubbed her as if dubbing a knight his candidate. >> and why does putin want marine le pen to be the president of france? >> reporter: to destroy europe. i mean let's just be blunt about it. she wants to full france out of the european union. she's against nato. she favors putin's position in ukraine and crimea. she would allow him to redraw the borders of eastern europe. all of that is perfectly clear and explicit, so of course he favors her. he also thinks that she has a chance, which a lot of people had not given her until very reechbl recently. >> e.j., you were a reporter and journalist in paris so you covered doings there.

do you think marine le pen with donald trump now in the white house and people see that style of government operating in the united states, does she still have a chance? i think tmp may do the world a bit of a favor bause a lot of europeans are now looking at what we are going through and turning on their far right. you saw that a little bit in the dutch elections already. >> sure. >> le pen is running behind. what putin is doing is really fascinating. we talked about in the olden days there was a communist international supported by moscow. putin is establishing a new far right international. he's supporting anti-nato, anti-europe, far right parties in europe against the democratic left and the democratic right and the democratic center. and this is a very dangerous thing for democracy. i think that the french are on notice that there may be more wikileaks kind of stuff coming in there. the advantage that the lead

opponent to le pen has is there's the warning from the hillary clinton campaign so they know that this is coming. >> you saw in that dutch election that you just mentioned that the dutch in order to prevent russian meddling, they went old school. there were no computers used in the recent election. it was only after the u.s. blamed russia for hacking during the presidential election, the netherlands announced it was dropping computerized voting entirely. they had 82% turnout and the putin candidate went down in flames. >> very hard. and this is a lesson for the united states to be learning from how people do things in europe. the exact flip of what e.j. was doing about, in that it is important to vote. we had 70 million people who f even waurt bother to the polls turnout is not helpful, particularly if you are someone who believes in democracy, liberal democracy and freedoms. it's not something you can take for granted. it takes aive participaon and putin relies on things like low voter turnout and low

activism among people which is why they crush protests. he's arrested journalists in this recent round, so this undermining of the media is very putinesque and people are seeing these activities happening in the united states and they should be worried. we should be taking action against them. >> about that turnout issue, are there any projections of what kind of turnout we're looking at in this french election? >> reporter: well, i'm afraid it could be low. i think a lot of the people on the far left are going to be disillusion disillusioned, two of the candidates, a right wing and centerist candidates are the ones that go up against le pen. i know you had a comment, e.j., but you also had the story that when he was meeting with the german foreign -- the german prime minister, donald trump handed her a bill, handed angela merkel a bill for 300 billion

pounds, a bill saying that germany owes nato and we won't really protect germany unless they pay up. that's odd. >> he was treating nato as if it were a trump country club and that everybody has to pay dues as opposed to an institution that has worked to protect both american values and american interests over a very, very long period of time. something worth looking at is steve bannon's little speech back in 2014 in rome to the conservative group where he said putin is a kleptocrat but he is supporting all of the aditional values. there's a great piece i "time" magazine about how put is trying to curry favor with some of the more far right people on the religious right and traditionalist right. he is very anti-gay marriage. so putin is very conscious of

the kind of politics he is playing in the west and it isn't the kind of politics that helps angela merkel. >> and explains why the bannonites like him so much. christopher, are there predictions about whether marine le pen can win this? >> reporter: she can win it if there's low turnout and if a lot of undecided voters swing her way, which is something we saw in the united states. yeah, she can win it. fortunately, most polls show that she will not. >> we will keep watching it and come back to you, christopher dickey, to follow that election which is quite important for the west. coming up in our next hour, i sit down with my good friend, christopher hayes to discuss his newest book and how trump's lavish lifestyle may even have greater repercussions than you may have thought. more "a.m. joy" after the break.

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you've doubted the fundamental science around climate. >> ask your question, young man. >> i'll be happy to, sir. i'll be happy to do just that and much more. my question is why do you blindly support donald trump's agenda to gut the epa, to gut basic science? and, and -- [ applause ] >> that was democratic activist and environmental lawyer mike levin posing a question to darrell issa. the nine-term republican from california who just happens to be the wealthiest man in congress. but levin isn't just taking on issa at town halls. he's also challenging him for the congressional seat. issa isn't the only one taking heat. steve king is back in hot water and king is also up for re-election in 2018. with that, let's bring in our next guests, congressional candidate mike levin himself and

kim weaver, who challenged representative steve king back in 2016. kim, i'm going to start with you because the question on everyones mind is whether you're going to do it again. i'm going to let you think about it as we play a little matchup of our steve king. >> where did any other subgroup of people contribute more than civilization. >> than white people? >> than western civilization itself that's rooted in western europe, eastern europe and the united states of america and every place where the footprint of christianity settled the world. >> the reason they're called dreamers because that's the most sympathetic term that could be applied. to among all of these dreamers, there are some awfully bad people. >> jesus never ordered anyone to be killed and never raised his hand to injure anyone specifically but mohammed did and there's a big difference in this. so they're carrying on traditions that are centuries old. >> kim weaver, do you plan to challenge steve king this cycle?

>> i do. the official paperwork should be landing on the desk tomorrow. >> how do you beat steve king? despite years and years and years, the racist statements, he manages to get re-elected. is this district so ruby red that you cannot beat him? >> no, i don't believe so. i believe that we can beat him this cycle. even though the democrats took a beating last time, the positive that came out of it is i had a higher vote count than both hillary clinton and our senate candidate. additionally i had higher vote counts in all but two precincts in the entire district, so i think that that shows the rest of the world that i have a chan chance. while i was campaigning i was also working full time and had very little time to fund raise. the last two congressional candidates spent about $20 per vote. i spent $1.22 so it was a pretty

grassroots campaign. at this point in the cycle, i've already raised more in just two weeks than i did the entire time last time. >> okay. well, that is your account. we have a little breaking news this morning. kim weaver will be challenging steve king in iowa's 47th district. that's sioux city, ames, ft. dodge and boone, iowa. mike levin, i want to turn to you. we played a little bit of you challenging darrell issa at one of his town hall meetings. for those who are not aware how he got to be the richest man in congress. the "los angeles times" wrote a piece about it. he earned it as a car alarm mogul. let's play a little sound mash-up of darrell issa tangling with elijah cummings. >> i am a member of the congress of the united states of america. i am tired of this.

we have members over here, each who represent 700,000 people. you cannot just have a one-sided investigation. it is absolutely something wrong with that and it is absolutely unamerican. >> hear hear. >> we had a hearing. it was adjourned. i gave you an opportunity to ask a question. you had no questions. >> i do have a question. >> i gave you an opportunity to speak. >> chairman, what are you hing? >> mike levin, this was the house government oversit committee that issa used to chair. he's a very wealthy man, he can self-fund. how are you going to beat him? >> we're going to beat him because of the of the attitude and demeanor we showed in that clip. he's fundamentally out of touch with the constituents in his district. what you didn't say is his net worth has quadrupled su ed sinc been in congress. he has been in lock-step with

donald trump every step of the way. in fact there's a trump score that you can go on 538 and check and he has a 100 trump score, meaning that there isn't a single piece of legislation where he has not supported the trump position. and that includes this trumpcare fiasco from this past week where he said he was leaning yes before they had to pull the vote. so on virtually every issue, this is why he is the most vulnerable incumbent in the united states house of representatives and why we will defeat him. we're going to do it with a grassroots huge group of donors and we will ultimately prevail because our issues are where the people of our district are at. our district is not with donald trump. they're certainly not with darrell issa. >> i want to ask you both, this is one of the things that's really challenged democrats in trying to take on republicans in some of these seats is what the democratic party stands for. what is the purpose of the

democratic party. kim, what does the democratic party stand for? >> decency over division and that's something i've been talking about the entire time i've been running. i'm focusing on solutions. people are threatening to boycott our state during aig bike ride across the state. we just represent on decency. >> same to you mike levin, can you explain what it is the democratic party actually stands for? >> i think strength in diversity and appreciation for one's differences rather than just tolerance. steve king, it's interesting, i asked darrell issa, actually called him out on social media multiple times to actually comment on mr. king's divisive anti-immigrant rhetoric. i take it very personally. on one side of the family, my mom has parents from mexico, mexican immigrants. on the other side, jewish immigrants. so that's what makes america great, a story like mine. my grandfather never even graduated from high school, he

had five girls, all of whom went to college, and he became a united states citizen at age 50. that's what made america great in the first place and we're losing our way with donald trump and steve king and steve bannon. they're divisive rhetoric and that dark undercurrent of intolerance. so as democrats, we need to stand profoundly against that sort of rhetoric and that's exactly what we're going to do. >> hopefully everyone will check you guys out. where do we follow you on twitter? kim weaver how do we follow you? kimweaveria. >> mike levin? >> mike levin ca and mikelevin.org. >> good luck to both of you. up next, with the failure, the utter failure of the health care bill, it seems that trump has found a scapegoat. his former one-time bff, paul ryan. more "a.m. joy" after the break. . it was, it was always controlling your time, ur actio, your money.

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paul ryan needs to step down as speaker of the house. the reason? he failed to deliver the votes on his health care bill. speaker ryan, you come in with all your swagger and experience and you sell them a bill of goods which ends up a complete and total failure and you allow our president in his first 100 days to come out of the box like that? based on what, ryan has hurt you going forward and he's got to go. >> on saturday night, fox news host judge jeanine mcedo words on who she thinks is to blame for the health care bill fail, eviscerating house speaker paul ryan and calling on him to step down. her on-air rant came only hours

after donald trump tweeted to encourage his followers to watch her show. she noted that she and trump did not speak about the content of her program despite trump promoting the show earlier in the day. so trump just happened to promote a tv show he did not appear on, just for kicks? she was also sure to give the dems a little cameo in her tirade. >> i hate it when schumer and pelosi get to beat their drums and talk about what a great day it is for america that president trump failed. >> and beating their drums they are, judge perro. take a look at nancy pelosi kicking off her shoes in joy. joining me now are the national spokesperson for moveon.org, mark murray, scott ross, executive director of one wisconsin now, e.j. dionne of

"the washington post." i'm going to start with you -- >> we had a rally the day of the vote and we were clearly celebrating and that was us that captured that moment. >> so jeanine was outraged of them kicking up their heels in joy. we watched her show because donald trump tweeted this. let's put that tweet back up agai watch judge jeanine on fox news tonight at 9:00 p.m. then she goes on to say ryan should step down and then she says this about whether or not she talked to the white house. let's take a listen. >> when the president said, you know, when he tweeted watch judge jeanine tonight, he and i had absolutely no conversation, no discussion, no e-mail, nothing. he had no idea that i was going to do this. in fact i didn't know about it until i woke up this morning. >> is there any chance that that's true?

>> so our reporting from kelly o'donnell that this was a coincidence, that the tweet watch judge jeanine and her screed against paul ryan, there was no coordination involved. you end up having a prominent fox host delivering a diatribe against the house speaker showing you really do have a fractured republican party. there's been a lot of blame this morning. president trump tweeted this was the house freedom caucus's problem, but it was moderates and even conservative pragmatists who were against this legislation. it was almost half and half. so all this blame game that's happening, to me the biggest conclusion and 48 hours later after it failed was this is a completely divided party and just watch fox news. >> and people like you guys, move on that worked against it. speaker ryan had senior aides tell nbc news it's a fluke, not a conspiracy. >> look, it's not surprising

that president trump would use woman to do his dirty work because he's not man enough to do it himself. let's not -- i was not shocked at all. i was like, oh, okay, that makes sense. here's the other troubling part of all of this. we're living in a time where this president makes nixon look like a saint and the speaker makes john boehner look like a unifier. this is where we are right now. and it's both of their fault to what mark was saying. you have a cookie cutter politician in speaker ryan who could unify his party. this is something that they campaigned on for years and they couldn't get it together. and then on the other side you have an incompetent president, who doesn't want to learn and are we really surprised that this failed? trump, you failed. trump airlines failed. trump steaks failed. everything that he puts his hands on fails. >> trump said those steaks were delicious. we only have his word to go on. >> charlie dent was on "meet the press" this morning and he, e.j., explained why he thought the attempt to repeal and

replace obamacare failed. let's take a listen. >> a lot of the concessions that the white house was making at the end of this process were to appease and placate the hard right on essential health benefits and other issues. all to placate people who are not going to vote for the bill anyway. by doing that, they ended up alienating more people on the center right or moderates. that was really what happened. >> bad bill, bad outcome is what he's saying. i think that rings true. >> first of all, i learned something important last night. i learned why i watch "a.m. joy" instead of judge perro's show. so that was useful. you saw something really interesting happen. the repuicanoderates -- they're not really moderate in most cases, but the non-hard right were voting for this bill essentially for anti-democratic reasons. they were voting against the mobilization and they knew there was a cost to voting against it. so this is an entirely new element. the moderates had gone along.

barney frank had a great line, a moderate republican is somebody who's always there when you don't need them. this time they really took a stand. so what it shows is, i think, john cassidy at the "new yorker" said this was a victory of essential democracy over conservatism. why did he say that? most americans think that everybody should have health insurance and that the government should do something to help people afford it. the republican bill just did none of that. these moderates or non-right wing republicans realize that's where the consensus is. it's going to be very interesting to watch this going forward on the republican side. >> and do we have charlie sykes? did i neglect to introduce charlie sykes? i didn't hallucinate you, you're real. charlie sykes is real, everyone, much like santa claus. charlie, there was this tweet this morning that trump, he completely changed his mind on who was to blame for the fail. he was saying democrats are smiling in d.c. that the freedom caucus with the help of club for

growth and heritage have saved planned parenthood and obamacare. do you think that right now that the perro open last night, her cold open, is evidence that the white house is now deciding to make war both on the freedom caucus, who are basically the tea pay, the club for growth faction of the republican party, but also on the speaker? >> yeah. first of all, joy, i had to watch that in order to be on this show so where do i go to get that six minutes of my life back. what rational person listens to except that the president of the united states tweets that. it is this two-front war here. you are attacking the people who backed you on the health bill. you're attacking the people who blocked you on the health bill. you know, it's an interesting strategy here. look, judge jeanine did not go out and give that rant. you're not seeing breitbart attack paul ryan without some sort of wink, wink, nod, nod

from the bannon wing of the white house. so you have all of this circular firing squad going on. look, he's going to need one of those factions going forward for any of the rest of his agenda. so he's clearly, you know, dropped the ball after devoting a full 17 days of his life, which apparently is exhausting to him, on the health care bill. now he wants to go on to tax reform. good luck getting tax reform through once you have now spent all this political capital attacking the people who supported you on health care and the people who opposed you on health care. >> like the freedom caucus, who again are the tea party, are then going to back a trillion dollar spend on infrastructure. santa claus can deliver that to you. >> by the way, i want to be charlie's shop steward. pay him double time for that. >> we'll send you a check, charlie, that was really rough. there was another thing charlie dent said on "meet the press" that i want to ask you about. let's listen to charlie dent talking about why the repeal and replace failed.

>> i'm holding up a plan from republican governorgovernors, f expansion states like mine, kasich, snyder, sandoval, they wanted to be part of this process. >> devoting 17 legislative days to a bill and then walking away from it because it hasn't passed in 17 legislative days makes no sense. >> that was mike lee on the back end of that. along with those governors not meiod was scott walker. scott walker who is from the same state as one paul ryan and one reince priebus, he has been invisible. what happened to him? >> he has stood against the aca from day one and stocked his deal on it. he popped his head up quickly towards the end and said, hey, pass this bill. there were some newspapers saying walker ignored on health care. i think the fact that paul ryan -- what we saw with paul ryan, the most devastating thing is he can be rolled. you know, look at what he was willing to compromise in this. taking away eyeglasses from

children was one of the things he was willing to do in order to try to get this passed. >> but i disagree with you that he was rolled on that. paul ryan's ideology suggests to me that's something he was fine with doing to get this tax cut. >> but when you see paul ryan when he's talked about poverty, as soon as he gets a brush back -- >> governing is hard. >> i want to do a round robin and get who we think is the biggest loser out of this failure because you've got a lot to choose from. you've got reince, who many are saying his job could be in trouble. you've got paul ryan who john boehner is probably laughing while drinking a glass of red wine. there's lots of people who's the biggest loser but who do you think is? >> i have to say donald trump is the biggest loser. this was his opportunity to see is he just crazy or is he crazy as a fox? and he's just crazy. and it's like he -- there is no real art of the deal. he is a performance artist that is layered with incompetence. >> mark murray, biggest loser. >> governing.

this is simple arithmetic. right now republicans just have 52 senate seats. they end up having 237 house seats but you have 30 members of the house freedom caucus, a sizeable number of moderates. being able to get the two 16, 217, 218 in the house, being able to get to 51 even on reconciliation, not talking about 60 votes in the senate, how do they do that? one missing ingredient has been reaching out to democrats, on infrastructure, things you might have got chuck schumer or nancy pelosi, things to improve trump's ratings, from the get-go his inaugural address never reached out to the opposition. >> but you can't do that if you're saying repeal obamacare. you have to say fix. scott ross, biggest loser? >> paul ryan. >> he doesn't look good. e.j. >> conservative ideology. the underlying problem here is this bill was no good because it threw people off health care in big numbers, and that's why ultimately i think it failed.

>> charlie sykes, i can't give you that six minutes of your life back, i don't have the power to do that, but i can you the last word. whof the biggest loser in that debac debacle. >> apparently they didn't teach the art of governing at trump university. this is donald trump. it's on his watch and obviously he has no plan b or c. >> all right. we will now eject all the men from this panel, karine jean-pierre is sticking around. thank you very much, friends. up next, will democrats take advantage of trump's big health care fail? failing failing, happening all over washington. stay with us. ncestry. my ancestry dna results are that i26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it's a hat, but it's like the most important hat i've ever owned.

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the unity of our house democratic members was a very important message to the country

that we are very proud of the affordable care act. the american people expressed their support for it. that message became very clear to our colleagues on the republican side of the aisle. today is a great day for our country. it's a victory, what happened on the floor is a victory for the american people. >> nancy pelosi looking like she wanted to draw smiley faces in the air. she and house democrats were relishing the sweet taste of victory friday after obamacare emerged unscathed while the gop's health care plan went down in flaming, flaming defeat. but despite the democrats' victory lap and donald trump's attempt to shuffle blame onto his political opponents and some of his allies, this was a debacle entirely of the republicans' making. the democrats didn't do that much to make it happen besides getting out of the way of grassroots activists and following their lead. hey, a win's a win. more importantly for a party trying to recover from massive losses, a win may be an

opportunity. the question for democrats, can they capitalize on one 24-hour triumph and turn it into a nationwide political resurgence. back with me, karine jean-pierre and jonathan capehart. clinton campaign senior strategist, joel benenson in the remote. i have to quickly get jonathan's take on whether the perro attacking of paul ryan, do you think it was white house coordinated or no? >> come on now. that tweet from president trump was at 10:41 a.m. for a show that didn't come on for almost another 12 hours. please. there are coincidences and then there are coincidences. >> and joel benenson, let's talk about whether democrats can capitalize on this. probably for people who watch this show, it's been rough since november. >> you think so? >> a lot of unhappiness, a lot of sad. it was finally a day of unbridled joy. you saw nancy pelosi kick off

her designer heels and jump up in the air. will democrats have to enjoy this as a moment of happiness and go back in the fight or is this a sign that democrats actually can get some wins here? >> here's the real opportunity and i think it's not just in the moment. i think there's a long-term opportunity here. what this exposed is real weaknesses in the republican party and how president trump functions. benjamin franklin once again by failing to prepare, you're preparing to fail. we have a president who completely failed in his first foray into the legislative arena because he doesn't know how to prepare. he doesn't understand what it takes. this is likely to be repeated. the second opportunity here, and i think this is where speaker pelosi was right, this was a victory for the american people. if the republicans think by diving headfirst into tax reform next where they're going to give more tax cuts to the wealthy and big corporations, they are continuing to misread where the

public is. and where even donald trump's voters were. >> absolutely. i think that w the biggest surprise to them is even in republican districts, people actually want to have health care. hillary clinton tweeted her reaction saying today is a victory for all americans. this was the dccc who actually got some ads out against some gop lawmakers. we don't know how big these buys were but here is one of those ads that the dccc put out. >> the republicans promised us on health care. >> everybody is going to be taken care of. much better than they're taken care of now. >> nobody will be worse off financially. >> now we learn the truth. leonard lance voted yes? you deserve better. >> they were just online. so is that winning or is that sort of -- i don't know, what do you think, jonathan? >> well, look, i think democrats have it easy because the president and the republicans

are making it so easy for them. it's one thing to say we're going to repeal and replace obamacare with something that is better. if you're a democrat, how easy is it to say that person voted to get rid of caps on coverage, voted to foot your child off your health insurance even if they're 26 years old. democrats have it very, very easy. you saw the look on nancy pelosi's face. if i could translate her whole statement you just showed into sort of one little bubble, teehee. >> pretty much. >> you had the head of the dccc saying that every house republican that voted in committee for this devastating repeal bill be held accountable at election day. really it was the grassroots

that pulled this off. groups like move on, supporting planned parenthood. it was indivisible, the pastors and members of the clergy marching on paul ryan's office. >> that's exactly right. >> can democrats bottle that? >> i think that's exactly right. they have to figure out how to bottle the energy that has been happening since the day after inauguration with the women's march and has continued through this time. republicans are essentially writing these ads for us. they are giving us the messaging. and there is a stark contrast as well if you look back to when nancy pelosi was speaker and her relationship with obama. i mean he trusted her. she understood her conference. she got everyone to back aca. it was just -- i mean she understood the job and the republicans just don't. but back to your earlier point, it is a grassroots movement. it wasn't the hill, it wasn't democrats on the hill that did this, it was us and our members and our allies going out there and making the calls, showing up

at town halls and making our voices heard loudly. i think that made a difference, clearly. >> so, joel, i guess the real sort of conundrum for democrats is a lot of that same grassroots energy has a fundamental mistrust of the democratic establishment. you didn't see the dnc, they are pretty invisible. the democratic party leadership here. they're not necessarily trusted by the people out there, you know, on the streets. how can the democratic party take that energy and put it in a voting booth in midterms when democrats typically don't vote. >> this may sound countersbu counterintuiti counterintuitive. i think the dnc was very strategic not getting in the middle of what was taking place across the country. i think karine was right and you're right that a lot of the groups that motivate people were. there was a lot of organic activity out there. it was true grassroots from the bottom up in a lot of these places and in a lot of these distric

districts. i think the way to capitalize on that is give those people freedom, let them percolate up, continue to take on fights in their districts locally and then capitalize on that energy later as you get closer to needing to organize for elections. >> and you do that by listening. >> absolutely. >> far too often, politicians see a parade and decide i must lead it. i must lead the people, as opposed to just jumping on in in the middle, in the back, being a part of it, not getting in the way. sometimes politicians and particularly democratic politicians get in the way of the parade. and so i think it's fantastic that the grassroots is leading this effort. also because as we've been saying, the president and the republicans are making it, oh, so easy to do. >> yeah, yeah. >> that's right. >> i didn't say it in the last block, but i was trying to figure out who i thought was the biggest loser in all of th. now i do think it's donald trump because he has been the best thing to happen to democrats.

really quick exit question and i'll really quickly go around the horn here. that democrats respond to this opportunity by going to trump and saying let's do an obamacare fix instead of repeal? and would the grassroots kill them if they tried to do that? >> i think if anything, it should have emboldened democrats of what happened just two days ago, which is that we have -- we do have some power. and i don't think i would -- i would nautiot capitulate to don trump or try to work with him at all. i would listen to the people on the streets that are saying no, absolutely not. >> thank you all. appreciate you all for being here. up next, trump supporter and milwaukee sheriff david clark could soon find himself on the other side of the law. stay with us.

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earlier this week i caught up with my friend, chris hayes, and we talked about his great new book. take a look. and joining me now is chris hay's, host of "all in" and author of a great new book, "a colony in a nation." congratulations on the book. it is really terrific.

>> thank you. >> so congratulations on that. >> thank you very much. i really appreciate that. >> so one of the things i actually loved about this book, chris, is that you actually give us a little bit of insight into you, into christopher hayes, and you talk about your own orientation toward race, which may sound weird for people to say, but white americans don't really do that very often. there's not really a confrontation with race as a white person. talk a little bit about that journey for yourself growing up in the bronx, new york. >> i'm glad you said that because i think one of the thingshands up happening is the way that conversations about race happen is that there's racists and they're bad people and then white people particularly start to feel extremely defensive that if you talk about race, then what you're really doing is calling them a racist and a racist is a bad person so you're saying they're a bad person. i grew up in an extremely diverse community and situation in the bronx in the 1980s. i went to a public school, sort of colors of the rainbow there.

and i was in new york city at the sort of peak crime years as a white teenager navigating the border between the upper east side and harlem, going down to high school every day. you know, i was scared a lot. i was constantly looking over my shoulder. i was, frankly, racially profiling kids that were walking down the block, worried that that cluster of teenagers were going to come and tell me to give them my wallet. and i understand -- i understood then and understand now the appeal of a certain kind of rhetoric and a certain kind of call to people, particularly white folks, but i think also universal in some ways for security, safety, that there's some bad element out there that can be put in its place and kept away from you. and i think it's really important to understand and be honest about the appeal of that, because i felt it myself growing up in the city, particularly in the '80s and '90s when it was much more dangerous than it is

now. >> it was a very different city and it was very much more tense racially between all of the different groups. >> oh, my goodness yes. >> it was just a whole different place. do you ever get the feeling, especially when you're in brooklyn, that's super jent fied and has this super different image, cabs will take you there for one thing, how new york slid from being that racially polarized dynamic to being, if not -- that's not fixed, but at least more self aware and is there an instruction there for the rest of the country? >> that's really interesting. i think one ofhe things honestly is that crime went down in the city. an enormous amount. it went down across the country. but new york city was the leader in the crime drop. in 1991 i think there were 2500 murders in the city. last year there were 350. so that's just an enormous, enormous drop. can you imagine if we brought auto fatalities down in that amount of time or child poverty or some other social metric by that amount in that period of time, it would be considered an

incredible achievement and in many ways what happened in new york really was. huge tangible benefit to people across krrace lines. so that really altered the city. now, that also came with a regime of broken windows, policing under rudy giuliani and carried out even to this day in certain ways by the current liberal mayor, bill de blasio, who says he's a believer in broken windows policing that has resulted in a kind of sort of parallel court system for misdemeanor summons that is almost unfathomable in its scope. as much as the new york city police department is better than other big city departments, it is still the case that many of my fellow new yorkers not just in new york or around the country live under policing regimes that simply do not feel that they are a part of the democracy. >> the title of the book is very interesting because you talk about the origin of that term. explain it, without giving away

everything in the book, explain in general terms what that means. >> you know, i think that the idea is that we really have two distinct sort ofystems of policing and systems of criminal justice. one of them in the nation is kind of what you would expect in a liberal, democratic republic. you have due process. you don't have the police constantly in your lives. ideally you don't ever interface with the police and no one you know interfaces with the police and everyone just goes about their life. the criminal justice system ideally in huge swaths of the nation, it functions like your laptop's operating system. it's in the background while you do the things you want to do. and then there's the colony, which are huge swaths of black and brown america but also increasingly large parts of working class and poor white america where law enforcement is a constant intrusion into everyone's life. it is constantly intruding, it is constantly a disruption to daily life and it's very hard, if you're under one of those

regimes, to get your head around what it would be like to get in the other. if you're never interfacing with the system and maybe call the cops very, very seldomly or see them around the neighborhood and smile at them, the idea of what's happening in the colony is very hard to get your head around. >> and that is literally what you just described to me feels like what ferguson is to like larger st. louis county missouri, right? and i wonder if when you were there, and a lot of folks remember you standing out there in ferguson covering that situation with michael brown, did that change your conception of this two americas or did it reinforce what you sort of learned growing up in the bronx? >> it did both. i mean i grew up in new york city, like i said, in the '80s and '90s and had a conception of the various ways that police interact with different folks of different races and backgrounds. but what struck me about ferguson is that it was all of the intensity of new york city distilled down into this small sort of anonymous municipality of 20,000 people with a majority

of black citizens and overwhelmingly whiteower structure and police force and a policing regime that was almost incomprehensibly predatory. when you read the department of justice report, it was essentially an extractive industry to pull ticket revenue out of people. and the extremity if it is what struck me and the sheer rage at the humiliation that people had to suffer over and over again in this small municipality. it's not new york city, it's not chicago, it's not l.a., it's not a place that you read about or there had been big patterns and practices and investigations and lawsuits that had gotten national attention. that to me was eye-opening because we happened to be here covering this but how many other fergusons are there. >> and it's brilliant the way you deal with this but i cannot resist asking you this sort of -- your thoughts on the colony now watching the nation get its way, right? people who were like barack

obama being president was the worst thing that ever happened. when we get this back, when we take our country back, it's going to be great. well, they took that country back, that element that used to think that way, and it's disaster. working class white people panicked and were like oh, no, don't do this to us. what do you make of all this, chris? >> i thought what happened on friday was stunning. i will even say, like everyone, i like to say when i called it. i did not call this. i thought they would muscle through. i thought they'd pass something. you know, to me the lesson here, and i think it's a really important one, is the normal laws of political gravity apply. it was a bad bill that would have been bad for people. now, that doesn't always win out in the end. i watched bad bills that would have been bad for people like the bankruptcy bill still get passed, so that is not in and of itself enough. but the combination of how bad it was, the incompetence, the sheer incompetence of the people that were running the process, the absolute clownish lacrity of

the process itself combined with the incredible mobilization across the country in every congressional district in every state created an outcome that should be the kind of outcome that a functioning civil society in democracy arrives at. that is that a bill that no one liked from any perspective and would have been bad never even made it to the floor for a vote. >> i think it's amazing that in one fell swoop two myths died on friday. the myth of donald trump as the great negotiator and paul ryan as super genius. none of those things were ever true and now everybody knows. >> they do not look good right now. >> they do not look good right now. chris hayes, it's always a treat to talk to you, my friend. the book is "a colony in a nation." it is so good. you will get a little insight into chris hayes, get to know him a little bit more. it is the rare, frank, honest, historical and brilliant discussion on race and i really enjoyed it. >> that means so much, joy. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> it really is good.

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this past week, a post that was retweeted over 47,000 times claimed 14 black girl his gone missing in washington, d.c., in a 24our period. the post set off an intense reaction across social media in a call to find the missing girls. it even drew the attention of celebrities like eva duvornay, diddy and l.l. cool j. in fact, missing children cases are down from the previous year according to the authorities here. d.c. authorities told our producers at "a.m. joy" that there have been more than 500 cases in recent children and teens in recent month, but that

only 22 juvenile cases remained open as of march 24th. 22 and only being relative terms since that's 22 too many. in a letter to attorney general jefferson sessions an fbi director james comey, cedric richmond and eleanor holmes norton this week called on the justice department to deploy the resources necessary to address the situation. joining me now is washington, d.c., mayor mariel bowser. thank you for being here. >> glad to be here. >> it did break down the missing frns cases from 2012 juvenile and adult and let's put the graphic up on the screen. you can see it was quite a big number in 2012, 2,600 plus missing juveniles and that number is down to 501. that's still a lot, but the number is going down. >> so what i think is important to explain here, joy, is how we changed our policies about notifying the public about missing persons.

prior to 2017 we only notified th pubc of a missing persons case when we suspected foul play. >> okay. dnapping and abduction. starting in 2017, we notified the public of all missing children because we think no matter the circumstances of a child missing home that every day away from a responsible adult puts that child in danger. >> you include runaways and trafficked children and abducted children. it's all now included in one number. >> it's all included in one number and all of the number of 2017 are children who left home so we don't suspect kidnapping or abduction or trafficking and nobody is getting snatched from the streets, but our children and this is why we wanted to highlight it the police department made the decision to change the policy and affirmatively put this information out so we could get the public's help in bringing these children home or to the care of a responsible adult.

>> peter mnuchin, this is him speaking about this very issue. >> the difficult thing is some of the kids do go missing multiple times, but like i said earlier, when they go missing, guess what? you have a child out there and there are people in our community that will prey on those children. >> just one quick other related sound bite. chanel dickinson the police youth and family services commander for mpd, this is her speaking. >> we have no indication to believe that young girls in the district are being preyed upon by human traffickers in large numbers. >> and yet, police are telling young people stay home to avoid trafficking. is there a trafficking problem even if there is not a missing child epidemic? >> no. what we're saying is any cld thateaves home, 13, 14-year-olds that their parents don't know where they are, sometimes they're with a family

member, sometimes they're with a friend, sometimes they're couch surfing or roaming the streets sometimes they can become victims and if you have left home your parents and guardians don't know where you are. you need to contact us so we can get you the help you need. >> your administration has put in place to address this problem. >> we want to be very careful and not only do we want to raise attention and let me be clear that we have no particular issue of children leaving home in the district of columbia any more than any other jurisdiction. the difference is we're telling people about it and getting that information out right away so kids can come home more quickly. so i have directed the police chief to put more officers there so when we know we have a missing child we can do more to try to unite the child and family more quickly, but we're also looking across our agencies, our social service agencies, frankly, so that we're supporting the families while the child hasn't been located and when they get home.

we're setting up a protocol to make sure that home is the right place for them. >> they're safe at home and we're going to make those resources available. also, joy, what's important about this attention is we want children to contact before they leave home. >> would you keep us up-to-date on the 22 missing cases? >> we'll keep following up on the story and thank you to d.c. mayor muriel bowser. that is it for "a.m. joy." stay with msnbc for the latest. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause all your symptoms, including nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. flonase is an allergy nasal spray that works even beyond the nose. so you can enjoy every beautiful moment to the fullest. flonase. 6>1 changes everything.

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