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sweep up this intelligence and to leak it to undercut the trump presidency? >> there's potentially something very wrong here, but i'm want going to go any further than that other than to say they think the documents that the intelligence committees have apparently asked for from all of these different agencies that they're collecting and reviewing will tell the story. >> priebus' comments come amid developments in the house intel investigation into the trump campaign's alleged ties to russia including former trump campaign associate roger stone offering to testify. here's stone who has said in recent weeks that he believes, he under surveillance and he was taking a swipe at congressman adam schiff. >> this is on the basis of no probable cause and no evidence whatsoever. the communication he refers to with assange is through a mutual friend and an intermediary, as it were. i didn't admit this, i announced it. secondarily, as i have said, the reference to podesta is general

and it is not specific and by the way, he does have his time in the barrel shortly thereafter. this is in search of evidence. >> meanwhile, democratic leaders are calling on republicans to put forth a new supreme court nominee as they ramp up calls to filibuster neil gorsuch. here's senate minority leader chuck schumer and bernie sanders. >> when we democrat his a chance to achange the rules we didn't change it for the supreme court for that very reason and i would say to my republican friends and to the country, if you don't think the -- if the candidate can't get 60 votes if the nominee gets 60 votes you don't change the rules, you change the candidate. >> if he doesn't get 60 votes the republicans owe the american people the obligation to bring forward who is more moderate. >> sounds like a yes, you are for a filibuster. >> it's not a question for a

filibuster. i'm for the republicans obeying the rules that currently exist and not changing the rules. >> let's bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell once again from the white house. ke kelly, there is a lot of back and forth. what are you hearing? >> reporter: something i want to update you on. something we don't always talk about, today the president went to his golf club in virginia, and he was there about 30 minutes. it takes longer time than that to drive there and get back. he is now back at the white house and there are protests outside as there are every day and that's a very small window of time to be at his golf club, and i wonder if there is some meeting and something behind the scenes that we have not been advised about that might be holding his attention. separately, the white house press secretary tells me that with respect to the president's tweet encouraging people to watch a fox news host last night who then went on to blame speaker paul ryan for all of the mishaps on capitol hill related to the repeal, sean spicer is saying that the president likes the show, only wanted to help

the show, nothing more, and advisers to speaker ryan say they don't believe there was anything to this, no conspiracy, just a coincidence, a fluke, they say, because the president and speaker were on the phone for about an hour yesterday and are in a good place. so that's a piece of what's been unfolding today. what happens with health care now? well, white house chief of staff reince priebus was asked about this toda is the white house really droppingealthcare and moving on? here's what he had to sa >> there will be a decision down the line, mainly driven by acts of congress, as you know. there are funding issues coming up soon, i believe, in the next couple of months in regard to obama care. >> you can do things to try to protect those people. >> you could, and it's a possibility, chris. i don't think the president is closing the door on anything. the fact that we are almost to the point where we would be defunding planned parenthood or we were to the point where we were defunding planned parenthood and the fact that some of these members took that

and decided not to move forward with it is a real shame and the president is disappointed in the number of people that he thought were loyal to him that weren't. that being said, i want people out there to understand that this president is not going to be a partisan president. >> reporter: the loyalty piece was in what mr. priebus just said and the president raised that in the oval office, too, when he said we've learned about loyalty. one of the questions going forward is will the white house have a chilly relationship with republicans who would not get onboard? the director of the budget for the president said they are moving on to tax reform, health care is on hold and they don't want to completely abandon what has been a longtime campaign promise, but they also don't want to be in the quicksand of not being able to get something done and there is a risk for th because they've been hampered at a attempt of a legislative achiement and it failed so there will be a price to pay if republicans whether they are here at the white house or on capitol hill don't do what

they promised to voters, but we just don't know when that price will be paid or if things can turn around. >> interesting to hear reince priebus say he doesn't want to be a partisan president. really? tell that to his twitter account. >> he sits on the infrastructure comm committee. congressman, welcome to you. let's start with roger stone where it says that his tweet about clinton campaign chair john podesta and the subsequent revelation that john podesta's email being hacked was a coincidence. do you think that's possible? >> no. i don't think it's possible at all. i think a whole lot of people are scrambling to get underneath a rock and hide as best they can. we need to understand here that this is an investigation under way for the last, almost a year now, by the intelligence agencies after they became aware of the attempt by the russians, not attempt, but the fact that

the russian his hacked into the dnc and also into many accounts and that investigation was under way and guess what they found? long the way they found a whole lot of the trump folk talking to russians and that eventually became news. there will be a lot of things to be found. i find this hailarious as these people scramble to protect themselves. we need ton what was said. was there a deal? was there a quid pro quo. whether it's a felony or not, we'll find out later, but by god, these people clearly were talking to the russians in multiple places, not only the ambassador, but other folks, and you take a look at manafort. this guy is so tied to the russians that i'm surprised that he's not handcuffed to them. maybe he will eventually be, but in any case, it's almost laughable the way they're trying to spin this way in a new direction.

the facts are there. the russians did -- go ahead. >> do you, sir, think that the content of what was said were that to get out, trump, if you will, the concerns that many are calling for with regard to the unmasking of the names? if what is said is explosive enough, will the rest of it all fall by the way side? >> the unmasking of the names, what exactly is that? we have known for a long time that there were certain people in the trump's campaign that were kecked to the russians. it was discussed on national media in the press in breitbart and many other places that certain members of the trump campaign, should we start with manafort, had connections with the russians was there an unmasking? it's been public knowledge, stone and others that they had communicated with the russians in multiple ways. what we need to know and this is why we have to have an

independent investigative body is to see what was discussed and was there a quid pro qu during the american press daensy campaign with the trump organization somehow coordinated with the russians? there is circumstantial evidence as the ranking member of the intelligence committee has so carefully laid out. is there something beyond circumstances here? well, we need to find out. we really must find out. >> let's take a listen to another clip of roger stone and what he said. here it is. >> in america, we're supposed to see the evidence against us and face our accusers. i'm very anxious to do that. if mr. page and mr. manafort do the same thing, frankly, i think the whole russian meme which starts as a clinton campaign press release is finally put to bed, there is no collusion at least not that i know about in the trump campaign for

president. >> do you think it will be put to bed and only under the auspices of testifying under oath? >> well, i think there's a whole lot to this. certainly we want them to testify under oath and my guess is they're going too find themselves in a very precarious situation. certainly, mr. manafort will, but beyond that, this is why there has to be an independent investigation outside of the politics of the congress, outside of the politics of the senate. it is extraordinarily important. is there collusion? is there a crime committed? well, let's find out, and yes, testifying under oath that's a good starting point. i'm quite sure that the fbi's questions to these gentlemen have raised some issues. you want to get in trouble? don't tell the fbi the truth. let's see what you have to say under oath. don't tell the truth, you're going to be in serious trouble. there will be a lot that needs to be done here and it needs to be done quickly and very, very carefully and in a most

nonpartisan and non-political way possible because we're talking about the very essence of the american democracy. that is the electoral process. >> representative garamendi, i know that you sit on the arms services committee and are you at all concerned when you hear from the u.s. military saying it might be responsible for the deaths of civilians in the strike against is in the iraqi city of mosul. we have the u.s. military and is it at risk of overextending itself again in iraq and syria? >> well, there are two things here, first of all, clearly, the united states military is involved in various bombing campaigns in and around mosul and many other places, syria, as well as other parts of iraq. and when you are bombing, there's a probability, and i'll use the word probability, not possibility. a probability that there will be what is in a cloakial called collateral damage, in other words, noncombatants.

that's also possible. yes, there needs to be an investigation and we need to understand exactly what happened and can it be prevented in the future and those are very important questions and i'm confident the military will look into that in detail and make whatever adjustments are appropriate. beyond that, you also raised the question of the level of american involvement in iraq and certainly also in syria. yes, it's being ramped up. yes, we are in a slippery slope. how far down that slippery slope, we will slide as more and more military find their way into those conflicts. it's a concern, but there is a larger concern here and that is the fact that the congress of the united states has not taken up its responsibility to declare war or as we now call it an authorization to use military force. it's very, very big. we are basing all of our action in those areas on the 2003 authorization, actually, 2002

authorization to go after al qaeda and related entities in afghanistan. we are now involved in conflicts in many, many parts of the world based upon that. that's not right. this next week representative walter jones, a republican, and i are going to push this thing one step forward to try to force the congress of the united states to accept its constitutional responsibility to declare war or authorization to use force and also to control the funds that are necessary to control that, make the administration, new administration come forward, explain to the congress and explain to the american public exactly what its intentions are and what is require of us in terms of money, personnel and lives to conct that program. thus far, they have not done so. they must do so and we, the representatives of the american people, must accept our

responsibilities and either, okay, mr. president, go forward with our blessings or well maybe you shouldn't do that. that's up to us and it's also up to the president. >> a lot of discussion on that very sensitive topic, as you well know. from california democratic kongman john garamendi, thank you. >> thank you, alex. a city on edge. police in cincinnati are on the hunt for people who opened gun fire on a club. we have a live report straight ahead. but for both of them, the most challenging opponent was... pe blood clots in my lung. it was really scary. a dvt in my leg. i had to learn all i could to help protect myself. my doctor and i choose xarelto® xarelto®... to help keep me protected. xarelto® is a latest-generation blood thinner... ...that's proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt and pe blood clots from happening again. in clinical studies, almost 98% of patients on xarelto® did not experience another dvt or pe. here's how xarelto works. xarelto® works differently.

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the gunmen and any information on the deceased individual, as well? >> reporter: well, about the deceased individual that is o'brien spikes. he's 27 years old. we don't know exactly where he is from. in term of the other injured, there are two in critical condition and many others who have been taken to other hospitals and they're eebl in stable condition or have been released. what happened at about 1:15 a.m. or 1:30, at that club right back there, the cameo nightclub there was some sort of an altercation and several shots rang out. police are not telling us how many shots and they are telling us there were several shooters. i should explain that that dlub,a cording to police handles its own security so they have their own security people and they're able to wand people who came in. several gun, we understand, were confiscated before people went in and there were other guns that were not confiscated and made it inside. so that is going to be the challenge for police. they'll have to investigate and interview a whole lot of people to try to figure out who was doing what? they were also counting on

surveillance video, we understand that might be taken inside there. they'll look at that as well. one question that they do believe they have answered and a question that many people were asking initially when they heard about this multiple shooting was this terrorism? the police say they have no evidence that this was terrorism, that this came from some sort of a fight and they don't know the details yet. and this investigation looks like it will be complicated and going to take a long time. scott newell there and thank you very much from cincinnati with the latest. let's go now back to politics. here's what white house chief staff reince priebus said this morng when he was asked if the president would concede that he wasn't wiretapped by president obama. >> when people use the word wiretap they're not talking about the president -- >> nobody is saying that. nobody is saying that. >> the fact is reports have come out for many, many months now that people on the trump campaign, transition team were

surveillanced by potentially some intelligence group, whether they were inadvertently swept up and whether names were unmasked. chris, you don't know the full answer that to that and i don't know either. >> joining me now is adriana cohen. welcome to you. so how long should trump operatives push this narrative when the head of the nsa and the head of the fbi have no evidence of that and is the white house at risk of wearing down its credibility with this? >> i think we need to just hit the pause button and let an investigation take place because when donald trump tweeted that there was wiretapping by allegedly president obama he did it in quotes. he means surveil. it remains to be seen as reince priebus alluded whether or not -- fbi officials and intelligence officials were -- they said they were just trying to track the activities of

russia or russian persons and they incidentally picked up members of the trump transition team -- >> adrian a why did the president put this out there? he was the one that started the whole conversation. >> uh-huh. i agree with you. i think he should have not tweeted that and more nuanced. i think it's okay to ask questions? was i wiretapped? was my team surveilled inappropriately? was our privacy rights violated? you know, he should have asked questions more than me definitive statements unless he can back it up with hard evidence. do you think he realized he was calling the former president of the united states a felon? >> um, probably. and i don't think he should do those sort of things. you have to be very careful. first of all, it's wrong to malign anyone's character and defame someone unfairly unless you know for sure that you have factual evidence that that took place. being suspicious doesn't raise the bar high enough to make those types of serious accusations, and so i think

trump supporters and members within the administration need to see some hard evidence to see whether or not surveillance did actually take place inappropriately. >> what about the president tweeting the plug for a tv show host and that host then goes on to rail against house speaker paul ryan. do you think that was coincidence or was there something more behind it? >> you know, i found that troubling, to be honest with you because judge janeane has a very successful show. she doesn't 19 a ratings plug. she's already very talented, accomplished person and host. so she doesn't need a plug by the president. so the timing was a little bit suspect why he would promote her show and then she came out and you know, called for paul ryan to resign, although judge janeane did say president trump had no idea what she was going to say, and i'll take her word for it, but i can't blame anybody for questioning the timing.

>> let's talk about healthcare. friday's defeat. how damaging was this to donald trump's image as a deal closer? he's cast himself as someone who is really good at makin deals. >> you know, i think it was terribly damaging for the gop because paul ryan and the republicans have had seven years to craft a repeal and replacement plan that will be good for the american people, that will bring premiums down, provide more choice and fix a lot of the problems that currently exist with obamacare. they've had many, many years to craft a new plan and build a consensus needed to pass it. now they have control of the white house republicans and control of congress. this should be a slam dunk. once president trump got inaugurated paul ryan should hit the ground running and hit the past that was better for the american people and i think a lot of the blame belongs with paul ryan failing to be able to execute when he's had years to

do it. with respect to donald trump, i think that he will definitely survive this. i think it'smore more of a set for this. he will pivot to areas where he can win like tax and regulatory reform, infrastructure projects and dodd frank and renegotiating nafta and he has a long laundry list, and it wasn't a great day for donald trump, and really, who will fall on the sword here most likely is paul ryan. >> adriana cohen from boston herald. thank you very much, adriana for your time. >> great to be with you. moderates will come together in washington. you will see who is making it next.

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columnist at the hil and wll go lads first with you, caitlin. why didn't they do that before the bill failed? why didn't they get the democrats onboard, the moderate ones? >> right. it's important to note that republicans planned to do it this way in order not to have to reach out to democrats. they wanted to do obamacare repeal and replace through this reconciliation process which means they wouldn't have to have that 60-vote threshold ultimately in the senate, so they never planned to reach out to democrats on this, so when the president says this is the democrats' fault, that is not true. they had only talked to republicans to doing this. so this is really a situation in which republicans scuttled their own bill. the question is we heard from the president saying i didn't realize these really deep divisions within the republican party that have actually been the narrative of the party for years now. does he then move and form different kinds of coalitions? does he take the moderates and try the moderate republicans

trying to pick up democratic support there? the problem, though, with trying to get democrats at this point is they have no insensitive right now to work with this president particularly since he's been blaming them for the failure of this bill. >> now, priebus also reacted to tv host judge janeane pirro's comments ahead of her interview with the president on which she called for paul ryan to resign. here's what he said. here it is. >> does the president want paul ryan to resign as speaker. >> first of all, we do love judge janeane and so does the president. i think it was coincidental, chris. >> oh, come on. >> i did not talk to the president about the tweet. i'm just telling you the truth. there was no pre-planning -- >> why would he say watch her and then that's the first thing out of her mouth? >> because he loves judge janeane and wants to do judge janeane a favor. >> does he want paul ryan to step down? >> no, he wasn't.

>> he can say whatever he wants about anyone. do you think it is far-fetched to believe he would try to send a message to pirro? >> no, i don't think it is far fetched and i think it's reince priebus' explanation that stretches credulity. this is a drumbeat to conservative comment tarts that have been because of the failure of the health bill. the question is are the knives out in the white house for speaker ryan also? sources that i have in the president's orbit have been very critical of both the speaker and reince priebus who is an ally. they said they didn't do their central job which is to corral the republican conference to support a bill that was, after all, trying to enact something that republicans have been campaigning on for seven years. >> and caitlin, what's your take on all of this? >> this is certainly, obvious a blow to the president who campaigned as a dealmaker as you

allud to previously and also for the republican party. this is -- the health care situation here is something that not only they have campaigned on for seven years, but has really been a driving force behind their campaigns in a way to organize the party and so not to be able to coalesce around a bill like this portends difficulties ahead, of course, for other legislative items on the agenda, namely tax reform which the president wants to move on to next. the president has kind of framed this as okay, let's move on to tax reform as nile and you and i know this is very difficult piece of legislation to get done and there is a reason tax reform hasn't happened in 30 years. there are significant differences within the house conference on taxes and also between the house and the senate republicans. so that's a difficult task ahead. >> priebus also shut down the reports that his job is on the line because of the health plan collapse. why does it matter whether or

not it was priebus' fault? >> well, it matters in part because, well, he is the white house chief of staff to start, but it also matters because there is all of this palace intrigue in the trump white house and there always has been between the so-called establishment figures which are priebus and also speaker ryan and the more insurgent type figures like steve bannon. bannon and priebus claim they work well together and certainly there is suspicion among trump loyalists of the more establishment stand on the party and we look at things like, for example, speaker ryan during the latter stages of the campaign said he would not publicly campaign for president trump in the wake of infamous "access hollywood" tape. so you have all of this suspicion and mistrust, alex, and then each time there is a mishap for the white house, these palace intrigue stories do flare once again. >> caitlin, the fallout from the

health care failure here, how much has that impacted the president's ability to get anything done whether it's tax reform or whatever he happens to tackle next? >> i think this is a significant roadblock. to put the health care bill into perspective, republicans have been successful in passing repeal and replace measures in some form 50 times during the obama administration. they have not been able to do so during the trump administration and that signals that ep reps know now that anything that they do, any kind of legislation they vote on has the potential, seriously, to become law and talking to lawmakers this week and last week as they were going through this process. that kind of sentiment had settled in and that's why you see these differences here, and if they are not able to come around and pass something around which they had been largely united, and i do think that transports difficulties a hear,

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new pictures showing president trump, daughter ivanka and son-in-law jared at the trump international d.c. last night after the gop obama repeal effort collapsed. president trump's visits to his flagship hotel is part of of a new washington post column which also focuses on how his lifestyle is costing taxpayers. joining me now dana millbank, political columnist for "the washington post." let's get right to this report whether president trump still has a conflict of interest with respect to that hotel we just showed. >> the gsa which oversea sees

this which is itself overseen by the trump administration said there is none because the president has taken himself out of the management of tt business. others may well say otherwise because he still stands to benefit from that as does his family, but this is why people pointed out the conflict of interest because, of course, the trump administration is now saying that it's perfectly fine for the trump organization to continue to operate that hotel even though it says it cannot benefit any elected official to the u.s. government. >> when it comes to security, look, we are not just talking about the president, the first lady and their youngest son barron. taxpayers are picking up the tab for the adult children wherever they go and their families. how does that work? >> no one says the secret service shouldn't protect the president and has family. you have the unusual situation where the president's wife and the president's son are living in trump tower in new york and

has the potential to cost tens of millions of dollars and as my colleagues rot t colleagues at the post said it is $60 million for this coming year largely related to trump tower and also related to the frequent weekend visits down to mar-a-lago in palm beach. so it all adds up, plus you've got the trump brothers doing international business. they have to have protection, as well. >> how much money are we talking about here? when congress starts tackling some of the budget items, is there any chance it gets reined in? let's face it. we have to protect them. could this be something that gets cut or not? >> if the budget isn't increased for secret service it gets taken out of cyber crimes and counterfeiting. security is only one piece of it. so you've got that $60 million additional they're asking for next year, but the pentagon spends a certain amount of money

and there are leases paid to in some cases to trump properties, very likely for the security, for other government functions. if you put it all together there are some estimates that it could be $100 mill more a year and that's a drop in the bucket for the united states government, but dramatically more than has been spent on previous presidents of both parties. >> in all fairness, barack obama had a smaller family. we'll have to say that if you'll pair the last two, but in your years observing washington, do you think the president has gotten less, has he learned about governing throughout the whole health care debacle? >> what happens now will tell us whether he's learned a lesson or not. usually after you've had a policy failure of this sort it's very difficult to continue the momentum into other policies, but certainly when it is president trump versus washington, it appears that washington won the first round here. >> dana, don't be a stranger. we love having you on.

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the country is completely overrun. they are forcing jews out of their homes. they are taking us out of the ghetto. thousands of people are dying. ♪ >> the littlest of children. >> we have room. we could hide them. >> that was a clip from the zookeeper's wife, a new film set in 1939 world war ii poland and it portrays the true story of a couple that used their large zoo to hide hundreds of jews who escaped the warsaw ghettos. >> director nicki caro joins me now from "the zookeeper's wife," welcome to you, i have to tell you, upon my seeing this film

literally one of the top ten films i've seen in my life, it moved me so profoundly and i knew from acquisitioning the book to getting the film. why do you think it took so long? >> any movie is a miracle let alone a movie that's good. they take so long, and a project like this is very much a passion project from everybody involved. >> it's interesting because it's a film that haseen described so many places as feminine and yet it's a war movie, in essence, something you did not want to do. you didn't want to do a war movie. how is it not a war movie despite its setting? >> like pretty much everybody in the world, i had never heard offantonina, and she was a very ordinary woman, a mother, a wife and a zookeeper and her instinct to care and protect and nurture animals translated seamlessly to

human beings and this, i felt, was a very interesting way to talk about that period of time, that very dark period of time. yes, this is a war movie, but it's one, i think, that has -- that focuses on heart and humanity. >> the music to warn the people that she's hiding from the nazis and she plays music when they're able to come out, and relax in the home in which she's hiding them. jessica had to learn to play chopin, and it was perfectly appropriate and the use of the music for healing, how did that come to you? >> that came to me from antonina. this is true. this is how she communicated. she was a very loving, sensitive human being, and not a person th was particularly comfortable around people, very,

very comfortable around animals and she used their instinct toward people and when she was creating refuge, she was also creating sanctuary. she did it in a very, very feminine way, and she gave her guests, as they called them, the people hiding underneath the floor of her home, she gave them music. she gave them art and a small sense of luxury and for people who had been so traum triezed by their time in the ghetto -- >> i loved watching it. it was one of the best parts about it. >> when you talk about a feminine nature to the film, what's extraordinary is the amount of women working on this film in huge roles, director, main star, director of photography, i believe the stunt developer, the stunt trainer. >> come on, that's quite unique. was that intentional because of this film? >> no, it wasn't. there's no conspiracy around

this. we just hired the best people for the job. it so happens that many of them happened to be female, and if -- as jessica loves to say, if you have balance on a film set it makes for a really healthy working environment. >> and a very beautiful one. "the zookeeper's wife". >> niki karo, thank you for your time. >> it hits theaters this friday, march31st t so-called nuclear option when it comes to putting judge neil gorsuch on the high court and i'll talk about that and what we learned from the hearings, next. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free.

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what i think is that he does not get 60 votes, the republicans owe the american people the obligation of bringing someone forward who is more moderate. >> gearing up for one battle over a supreme court nominee. but the federal judge's

performance in confirmation hearings may earn support to clear the 60 vote threshold and put him on the bench. npr legal affairs correspondent joins me now. such a pleasure to have you and i want to get right into the questions here. as we talk about the democrats who are already publically against him, what are they taking from the hearings to try to sell on the senate floor? >> well, their argument is essentially you denied our nominee to the supreme court who president obama picked for almost a year, and you have replaced him with somebody who is too conservative for us to vote for. that's basically their argument. but they don't have the votes. they can't -- they can't defeat him. and i'm frankly doubtful that they could defeat him with a filibuster because all the republicans have to do then is change the rules. >> so the debate that we've seen and certainly lindsey graham

amplified this during the hearings is that a nominee's personal views on the issues versus a nominee's qualifications. senator -- how do you think the undecided senators are weighing the two aspects of this? >> i think it is likely that the undecided senators who are democrats, there is no question in my mind the republicans have all 52 of them. so the question is whether any of the democrats flake off. in order to break the filibuster and move to an or down vote, you need a democrat. there are 48 democrats and there are ten of them are from states that were carried by trump easily and i think all of those are most or most almost all of those are up for re-election in

2018. they're from conservative states like north dakota and florida and we're going to have to see what the -- you know, what the pressure is like. there is at least one group that's a conservative group that's spending $10 million in support of gorsuch. the judicial crisis network. the liberals are trying. they don't have anything like the money but they've got political muscle and they are really leaning hard on the democrats to defeat gorsuch, even if they were to succeed in that, if they were to succeed in that, they could end up with, a, somebody from their point of view worse or, b, without a filibuster the next time around. >> i've heard this isn't the battle to really have a knock down drag out over. this is replacing a conservative

vote. >> that's correct. >> if you do that, the makeup of the court and where it stood in the past years is not going to change that much. it's going forward when you have these three other supreme court justices. one being 84, one 80, one 78, that that's where the difference will be. >> and every one of those justices is -- is considerably less conservative than judge gorsuch or anybody else presidt trump is likely to name. remember, trump ran on a pledge to name somebody in the scalia mold to the supreme court. the republican base is very devoted to this issue. a significant -- more -- more of trump voters named the supreme court as an issue than did democrat voters name the supreme court as an issue for them. and, so, it's -- it's -- you're going to see that this -- you

can't expect -- >> right. >> -- in the court political mill yeah that you are going to get some surprise liberal out of donald trump. >> all right. i'm a big fan. thanks for joining me. >> thanks, everybody. >> we'll see you up next on "meet the press." make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox.

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