or how high the pollen count, flonase allergy relief keeps your eyes and nose clear. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. for relief beyond the nose. flonase. good sunday afternoon. i'm richard lui in new york city. right now to washington. republicans on both ends of pennsylvania avenue are assessing what went wrong with their failed attempt to repeal and replace obamacare. mick mulvaney offering this explanation. >> i think what happened is washington won. i think one thing we learned this week was washington was a lot more broken that president trump thought it was. what you have is status quo wins and unfortunately the folks back home lost. >> the president today taking to twitter to blame the freedom caucus and two conservative think tanks for saving plant

parenthood and o care. speaker ryan has stayed out of the cross-hairs, ryan grappling with his own challenge, control of his caucus. kelly o'donnell joins us live from the white house. kelly, a key relationship to get anything done in washington, d.c., here, the speaker and the president and yet more details about how the relationship is evolving on sunday. >> we had seen the relationship become kind of a day to day partnership during the selling phase of trying to repeal obamacare. the speaker telling me he spoke with the president just about every day multiple times a day. we saw the president go to capitol hill to try to convince and persuade. then there was a tweet from the president of the united states early yesterday that could have gone by unnoticed really. he said watch judge janine on fox news at 9:00 p.m. that was about 10:00 in the morning or so. when when 9:00 p.m. came around, judge jeanine on fox news gave a

very detailed argument why she thinks the speaker of the house should resign. it was his fault for not being able to bring together a vote to support the president to, in fact, deliver him a defeat in the first 100 days. she went on to say it was not at all president trump was at fault. who should imagine a businessman would know all the nuances of washington. that's sort of the argument she laid out on television. based on trump using twitter to criticizes, do so in his own words, a lotf the people put two and two together to say h was trying to troll the speaker of the house and put blame on him. he used twitter to criticizes freedom caucus, conservative group in the house and outside conservative organizations like heritage and club for growth and say they, too, bore some of the responsibility for the repeal bill going nowhere. now that kind of rocky relationship as people are

perceiving it from the outside, sources are telling me that the president and speaker ryan spoke today. the president assured the speaker his tweet was not about trying to criticizes ryan, was not leading people, the many viewers and followers of the president to somehow think he should say he was resign. mending fences, perhaps. the white house will only tell me the president likes that tv show and was trying to be supportive of the host. what do you make of that? people will read into it what they want. we'll try to measure that going forward when we see these two leaders again trying to work on the next project which they say will be tax reform. >> kelly, thank you so much. kelly o'donnell at the white house looking forward to what will be next as a result of what happened on friday. appreciate that. today freedom caucus chair mark meadows suggested he might do things differently on other issues in the future. >> no one has been more self-critiquing than me. i can tell you as i've looked at

all of this. could i have spent a little more time, should i have spent more time with the tuesday group, more time with democrats, define some consensus. >> also republican critics in the sena are taking aim at the very process itself. >> devoting 17 legislative days to a bill and then walking away from it because it hasn't passed within 17 legislative days makes no sense. >> you can't expect to try to solve a problem that addresses one-six of the country's economy and touches every american in a personal way in 18 days. >> joining us to discuss eliza collins, tim carney, commentary editor for washington examiner. okay. thanks for joining us this hour. i do want to share something else we're just getting into nbc news and msnbc and that's representative ted poe, republican from texas here, a member of the freedom caucus, we're just getting word that he

is resigning from that caucus itself. he had planned to vote for the health care bill. he was unhappy with what had happened overtime course of the day leading up to friday. i'll read a part of what he said for the of you. again, ted poe leaving the freedom caucus against aca. quote, i have resigned from the house freedom caucus in order to deliver on the conservative agenda we have promised american people for eight years. we must come together to find solution toss move this country forward. saying no is easy. leading is hard. but that is what we were elected to do. leaving this caucus, the freedom caucus, will allow me to be a more effective member of congress and advocate for the people of texas. it is time to lead. okay. el eliza, your thoughts. freedom caucus in lock step here moving up to friday. >> i think the freedom caucus

announced they would vote as a bloc. they did not take an official count. they said they were google to vote no. there was about three dozen members, they don't release their numbers publicly. that was announced to sink the bill. there was mod rats to said they wouldn't vote. the fact he's saying i'm separating. i'm going to go with the rest of the party and try to actually govern doesn't look good for freedom caucus taking a lot of heat on this. the bill failed. had it gotten on board, it would definitely have had a better chance of passing. >> leading up to friday as if they had gotten together, they decided if they were approached by the white house, by the president that they would consult with each other in terms of what was next. they were not going to be peeled off one by one. however, it appears post facto we have one member, whether peeled off or not leaving the caucus. >> the freedom caucus makes sense if you think about it as their idea logically inclined,

compadres. the fact is, what trump has done for this whole republican party is more acute in the freedom caucus. a lot of what you see there, they are the far right, hard core conservatives. thomas massey, who is not a eedom caucus guy but he's out there, he says i think when you look at people like rand paul and thomas massey and a lot of freedom caucus guys elected, what it's about voters looking for the craziest s.o.b. in the race and a lot of times freedom are. they are hard core. sometimes they are like donald trump who is not an ideologue a split between trumpism and conservatism in the freedom caucus. i think the trumpers might be fleeing. >> eliza, are thought on the dissertation tim just gave to us, when we look at the freedom caucus and president. >> what tim said is exactly right. the freedom caucus is closely

aligned. mark meadows and donald trump are very close. i'm not sure how they are doing right now. leading up to this they were talking daily. congressman meadows told me at one point i asked, when is the last time you talked to the white house? a couple of hours ago, i was there. when have you talked to house leadership who, of course, was also pushing this bill. this is during negotiation process. he said, two weeks ago. so basically the freedom caucus had gone around the house leadership entirely and thought they would be able to come to a deal with the white house. obviously that didn't work. it shows they were closely aligned. if trump is seeing them as failing him, that's not going to be good for the freedom caucus because they don't have a lot of allies in their party. >> ted poe won pretty comfortably in this last cycle, tim. so it doesn't appear, necessarily, that, again, concern of reprisal coming from bannon or donald trump is a part of thisallus at all. from what you know of who ted

poe is from the freedom caucus, what do you think outside of what he said, his statement is driving this decision by him. might we see more that the crack in the dam has now opened up. >> i think ted poe is a guy who defined himself mostly against republican party leadership and you had donald trump run against that leadership and that inspired a lot of people. that's where i see ted poe coming on. even if ryan and trump were aligned in this case, sort of trump is carrying the banner of i'm taking on that gop leadership. then going forward as you mentioned, ted poe, freedom caucus members were more likely to out poll trump in their congressional distributes that the other way around. it's not apples to apples to compare this. it is important to realize it is important to be -- the white house, some reports came out they thought bannon or trump thought they could say jump and the freedom caucus would say how high, sort of strong arm these

guys. one of the reports was bannon saying, guys, look, this isn't a debate. the freedom caucus guys looked around each other and said, no, it isn't a debate. nobody gets to tell us what to do. >> we're not in elementary school anymore, one of the statements made to that report. eliza, the question is speaker ryan here, you're either celebrating or concerned. which is it at this moment because of ted poe arched potentially others moving aside. do you want more fragments, segments or some weakness from the freedom caucus. >> i think paul ryan has had a pretty rough weekend and this is a bright spot for him. i think seeing someone say i don't want to be part of this group of no. i want to skikind of go into th group of yes. going into yes is a victory for ryan. he's trying to pull the party together. it was very divided. we saw that. it couldn't pass this bill they ran on for seven years.

ryan is going to take anything he can get right now. i think it's a win. >> the white house and donald trump feeling the same way at the same time. eliza, thanks for your perspective on this development that came into this for the last five minutes. representative ted poe from texas, houston, resigning from the house freedom caucus, that caucus that stopped the vote on friday. thank you both. >> thank you. after the house intelligence committee chairman walked back allegations, president trump may have been monitored by spies, new questions about whether the committee is capable of handling the russian investigation. let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let's talk asset allocation. -sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? -i would. -i would indeed. well, let's be clear, here. i'm actually a deejay. ♪ [ laughing ] no way! i have no financial experience at all. that really is you? if they're not a cfp pro, you just don't know.

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we can't have a credible investigation if one of the members, indeed, the chairman

takes all the information he has seen to the white house and doesn't share it with his own committee. i think the chairman has to make a decision whether to act as surratof the white house a he did during the campaig and transition or lead independent, credible investigation. i hope he chooses the latter. i needs an independent credible investigation in the house. i'm going to do everything to get this back on track. i implore our chairman and speaker to rededicate to serious investigation. >> that was ranking democrat on house intelligence committee. heard a lot from them adam schiff with a fresh round of condemnation and republican heating house probe into russia and trump team. congressman nunez was forced to backtrack friday after he asserted trump and his aides had been monitored. he's also taking heat for going to the white house with this intelligence.

a poll shoes two-thirds of american want an independent committee on the case. a former secretary of defense intelligence for president obama he's with us in washington and our legal correspondent ari fleischer. marcel, first to you, somewhat vindicat vindicated. >> he said it might have happened incidentally. how might that happen? >> foreign person a talking to foreign person b, situations in the.s. intelligence tive way community. weonnowhat chairman nunes has seen in terms of this new information he saw last

week. if it is the first situation, two foreigners talking about americans, that certainly is a situation that happens quite a bit in intelligence collection. >> richard, marcel is such a sophisticated government type, he puts it really fancy. i'll put it simple. incidental collection is like a scenario where you're walking by the atm and the video recorder gets you. you end up being in the video. if you saw that video you might be surprised or concerned but you were never the target of that video. >> in that definition, what is next for nunes? the optics have not been good based on this statement and others and the question about his leadership as they move forward on this russian leadership connection question. >> it was hotly disputed. can they do this in an objective nonpartisan way. what he did muddying these reports raised new questions,

senator mccain and others saying what we're watching, the guy overseeing the investigation walking out of the white house after a nonpartisan briefing. i'm not doing that to be judgmental that's what you do when you do it on party, not bipartisan. he's raised questions about the independence >> should he step aside, marcel, as you look at what has been said and look at what happened as a result of what he's said so far? >> i think as we entered this weekend we were at the precipice of the house intelligence committee nearly completely losing its credibility, the credit able of the investigation. as we head into next week, the chairman of the committee has an opportunity to reset this investigation to show he's not in lock step with the white house but in lock step with the democratic vice chairman or ranking democrat on the committee, congressman adam schiff and put this investigation back on track into a highly credible, highly serious bipartisan trajectory

ahead. he might, for example, consider sitting down and doing a bipartisan press conference sometime this week in front of the pentagon press corps or house press corps to be able to lay out exactly where they are going to go next in this bipartisan investigation. >> ari, what are you watching in this time line? this time line has a way to go, and there's going to be clear bench marks. >> i think what i'm watching is what is the collective judgment of the committee and can they do this in an independent way. you heard many reasons why not. raises the question do you want some other body to do it. let's be clear, what we didn't know sitting here last sunday the fbi has confirmed this election. >> that's right. >> that means if crimes occurred, it will be dealt with through this process. the only thing left for the inquiry is the larger questions, not who is good and bad. the fbi should dealh that. what else happened w want to know about as a country and what safeguards our policy decisions we make.

the fbi doesn't deal in policy, they deal in crime. obviously problematic the engine for that house intelligence committee is seen as so compromised. an independent inquiry to deal with 9/11-style inquiry could come about. you need a lot more work from congress which has a lot of other stuff on its plate you're covering today. this is important. the next time line would be do you step away, give it full authority and subpoena power, deal with policy side. again, some look this is only prism of trump, clinton, what went down, who should have won. the question, we know a country did this to us once. they are going to try to do it again. >> or have not stopped. >> what policy decisions does the democracy here, if i can be so high minded, want to debate about preventing something that d, r, or i, whatever you are in the politics you want to prevent external distortion of our democracy. >> under your hat that you had before here, marcel, those hypotheticals brought up by ari

here, that could be employed, could happen, might shed some more light on the questions right now, are those what you want, too? >> i think whether it's the congressional investigations or those plus and independent commission, there are some important fundamental questions for the health of our democracy and our national security that need to be lood at. let's remember this all started because russia under vladimir putin has posed an increasing concern, if not a threat to the united states, across a range of issu issues. that included the interference in our election but includes interfering potentially in the election of our aligs of germany and france and nato partners in eastern europe. these are important national security questions we need to explore, learn lessons from, prevent them from happening again. >> it continues to be followed, for instance, vladimir putin meeting with marie la pen, that out there, protests in the street, all part of this russian

connection and vladimir putin and trump administration. i want to get to ari here because i know you have a show in 40 minutes. what's coming up. >> digging into the health care and where that goes with the freedom caucus and this particular fight trump picked. normal or not, should sean spicer be white house secretary given the number of false hoods they won't correct. looking deep into nepotism issue, donald trump elevating another family member, is it legal, a good idea, a deep dive on that that will be interesting. one of the stories that got lost this week. >> conversations with ari melber. appreciate it. ari's show, two hours of it, stick around 40 minutes, we hope you do, coming up at 5:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. happening now a fight inside a cincinnati nightclub ends in extreme violence. ere's one person dead, at least 5 people injured. we have more on that after this.

rafe happening now, just got this in. secret service saying a woman has been arrested after scaling a fish at the white house. that happening this morning. officials say she is the same woman who attempted to scale the south fence of the white house on tuesday. this latest incident, the woman was taken into custody without incident. she was carrying no weapons or any hazardous materials. after tuesday's incident, the suspect was released after being ordered to stay away from the white house. it's the third fence jumping if you're taking a count here at the white house in six days. also happening now in cincinnati police on the hunt for multiple gunmen. they opened fire inside crowded nightclub. it started with altercation that escalated to shots fired. ultimately one died, 15 people injured. right now two of the injured are in critical condition.

>> several local men got into a dispute inside the bar and it escalated into shots being fired from several individuals. >> there's no evidence this was a terrorist attack like we've seen in miami and other places. however, to the victims, what difference does it make? they have been terrorized by gun violence, innocent victims. >> police say the nightclub has a history of gun violence. so far no arrest has been made. we'll continue to follow that. brick and mortar operations taking a hit this year. retail stores set to close across the country in the next several months leaving thousands without jobs. nbc's savannah sellers has more. hey, savannah. >> that's right. president trump has placed an importance on american jobs throughout his campaign and now

presidency. just this week we know he was in the news talking about ford keeping jobs here. we know he's been very vocal in general on the auto industry. just yesterday vice president pence also stressed the topic. >> we're moving forward. next up we're going to get back to the president's three-part agenda, jobs, jobs, and jobs for every american. >> folks, the era of slow growth is over. in a new era of american growth and jobs has already begun. >> but what about retail? several major retail companies are closing doors on hundreds of locations. here is all the stores closing. jcpenney announced 130 stores nationwide, closing in june, which will ultimately affect 6,000 employees. while president trump and vice president pence have baseball strong on jobs, these stores are mostly closing in counties that voted for trump. let's take a look at texas, this

is the state with the largest number of closures. there are 92 jcpenney in the state of texas. nine are closing, seven of these nine -- that's what these dots are, nine closing. seven of the nine in trump counties. we head north minnesota is the state with the next highest closures. smallest state and 25 in the state. what's interesting here, this is a state that went blue, went for hillary. eight of them are closing in the state. actually only one of them, this one in hibbing, minnesota, was not in a trump county. seven total out of a trump county closing. another chain shuttering sears holding, parent company of sears and kmart will have 150 stores closing. actually already closed, affecting thousands of jobs. michigan you'll see the most closures of kmarts. 38 in the state, 10 clogs. what's interesting here, only four of those in trump counties but the heavy majority of

liberal counties is all right here in the detroit area. the next highest closures in florida for kmart. they have got a total of 39 in the state and actually nine of these will be closing. of the nine, eight are alln trump counties. pretty interesting that we are eing those closures more frequently in those red counties and the jobs going with them. these companies say they want to invest in online businesses since that's where the consumer is but they will not be able to keep the same number of jobs. jcpenney as i mentioned affecting at least 6,000 employees. those 6,000 are eligible for early retirement options. richard. >> all right, savannah. thank you so much for that report. savannah sellers. next, why international leaders are saying donald trump is less trustworthy than vladimir putin. then the chronic, widespreadoe helps ease fibromyalgia pain.

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headquarters in new york. protests breaking out on the streets of russia despite threats of jail and retribution, hundreds of people demanding resignation of the nation's prime minister. this comes a day after the brussels forum, an annual conference organized by german marshall fund in the u.s. where leaders at the forum were polled as part of a pew research survey. russia's power and influence after climate change and cyber attacks as you see here. research from pew shows women and young people were less likesly to say the u.s. would use force if allies got into military conflict with russia. they also found this. international leaders saying they would trust russian president vladimir putin over president trump calling the u.s. president arrogant, intolerant and dangerous in large numbers. joining me moderator at the

brussels forum this past week. good to see you over the airwaves. >> yes. >> you and i were both there. wn of the surisinghings that came up, i'll g to the conversation with john mccain but 3,000 thought leaders from this transatlantic discussion saying, guess what, we actually trust vladimir putin more. >> what's really markable about this is pew did a survey about a year ago and they announced then in most countries vladimir putin was trusted and depended upon in many ways more than donald trump. what is staggering about this we've seen donald trump in action as president of the united states and it's gotten worse in this poll. if you read it carefully, a 3-1 margin, putin is trusted three times more than donald trump in this latest poll. >> we just saw the meeting between angela merkel and donald trump and it was uncomfortable at lesion by video and

transcript and now she is favored by some 90% when we look at these thinkers in the united states and in europe. >> i think angela merkel right now is looked at as the true leader of the free world throughout transatlantic region and united states and much of the world as someone who has resolved demeanor and balance and gravitas in her position that president trump hasn't achieved. while the white house denies it, it's been fairly shocking to see some german officials who are with angela merkel express outrage that donald trump actually submitted a bill to angela merkel for what he feels germans owe america for nato and stuff. i think we should point out that sean spicer has denied that. but the mismanagement, lack of trust that exists between germany and united states. >> is the united states at a low point. >> absolutely a low point. >> you go to these conferences

all the time. >> absolutely a low point. i think it's creating a big problem. i asked john mccain about this when i was there, who thinks it's recoverable. many think the damage has now been done. when i talked to mccain, i said is there so much doubt injected into relationships as they plan their own contingencies with how they deal with security and dark da, whatever they may be, are they going to count on the united states the way they used to today when those things happened. the answer has to be no. mccain thinks it's recoverable but there's a problem in that relationship now. you just felt it throughout this forum, there was a staggering degree of dismay about the trump white house. >> recoverable means working together. thirty seconds here. you asked john mccain -- >> he thinks he's got a good national security team. >> you asked him when is the last time he spoke with the president. what did he tell you? >> he has not met, physically met the president of the united states that we have in office right now, he said he met him a

long time ago as a businessman but john mccain said he has not met donald trump. it was a staggering revelation. >> great question you asked. it fits to your argument about the relationship and them working together as a team moving forward to work in this space. steve, i wish we had more time but i wanted to get to the great pieces of news. i came out of the conference of the brussels forum. in addition to senator mccain the brussels forum attracts leaders across the country in areas big and small. i had the opportunity to sit down with republican mayor jim brainerd of carmel indiana india. a city with population of 100,000 but home to a corporate headquarters. he gave me reaction to gop's latest proposal. >> i said fix it. if there's fine-tuning that needs to be done, idot. we don't want -- we have more

people able to get health care than we've ever had in the history of our country. we don't want to lose that. as the president said a couple weeks ago, boy, is it a complicated subject. it is complicated, complex. but the world's wealthiest, largest democracy needs to make sure everyone in theoury has access to health care, reasonable access to health care. >> there's an executive signed that had to do with immigration as well as travel. your thought on the two versions that were put out by the white house and how it affects your town of carmel. >> we have about 20% of our population that comes from different countries and does impact a lot of those folks. we're not going to be able to defeat as a country. nobody wants a terrorist to be brought into the united states or company in the united states, seems to me those executive orders could have been better

thought out and better implemented. everyone wants to be secure. they worry about terrorism. they worry quite honestly about the president's tweeting. they worry about whether he's listening to the people he needs to be listening to. worries about the ability to implement these ideas he has and what impact it will have on our economy. we have over 100 corporate headquarters of region al national in indiana. if we can't provide that from people all over the world and understand their issues and challenges and make sure we provide a nurturing great place for them and their families, we're not going to be able to compete for good jobs. >> carmel is better off today than it was eight years ago? >> the economy is better than it was eight years ago, yes. yes, it is better off. >> carmel will be better off in eight years. >> i don't know. i hope so. >> republica mayor there jim brainard, carmel, independent, small city with a world view. next, where republicans went wrong on health care reform and

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. welcome back. as the trump administration and republicans on capitol hill look ahead to the new week, there's still the question of what went wrong when it comes to the failed health care bill. for some it happened too fast. this morning republican senator tom cotton praised the lengthy process obamacare went through, some 187 days, said house republicans should have taken more time to work on their bill. >> i think a more careful and deliberate approach, which we now have time to do, because we're going to have to revisit health care anyway, would have gotten us further down the path for solution. >> mean while it's still the blame game for president trump. he has pointed fingers at several groups. first the democrats, now house

freedom caucus all while calling for bipartisanship. this morning chuck schumer had this to say. >> stop undermining aca and we'll work with them. we have ideas, they have ideas to try to improve obamacare. we never said it was perfect. we always said we would work with them to improve it. we just said repeal off the table. >> with me senior adviser and spokesperson for moveon.org. also evan siegfried. let's startith this. you may have heard, just reporting into nbc and msnbc, ted poe resigning from freedom caucus. we didn't see any cracks in the freedom caucus leading up to friday. now on sunday he's saying he would like to leave the freedom caucus because he wants more yes, s yeses, wants more leadership. >> he knows which way the wind is blowing. freedom caucus is not very well liked on the other side of the

ime right now. donald trump is very popular in ted poe's district. he doesn't want trump taking aim at the freedom caucus taking him down. what we have to look at is this bill, we should place blame on the freedom caucus, paul ryan and donald trump for the failure of the aacha. i'm not upset this bill failed because it was an absolute dumpster fire of the bill. president trump didn't know the details of the bill. speaker ryan wrote this in the dark and didn't have input from all republican groups so we could come to a consensus on how it would impact americans. freedom caucus their normal self and said, no, we refuse to compromise on anything and we're going to throw a temper tantrum. >> kareem, what's your reaction to what's come out in the last hour. >> not surprising. what we're hearing from reports, republican party was pretty fractured. they had seven years to get this done. they had more than 70 hearings on repealing obamaca and

couldn't get it done at all. they took 17 days, which makes no sense at all. what did they give american people, just a bad bill to take away 24 million people's health care, 27 million according to a pew poll even liked the bill they put forth. it just didn't make sense at all. i wouldn't want to be following donald trump if i was anybody in the republican comprehensive as well. look at the last 64, 67 days. 2011 his signatures have failed. muslim ban 1.0 failed. muslim ban 2.0 failed. now you have trump care that failed. let's not forget trump organization, the trump campaign is under investigation by the fbi as we found out from comey this week. so there's nothing really there to be excited about when it comes to the republican party. >> evan, what is the play that might make it exciting for the republican party. we've been reporting about that

relationship, very important if you want to get work done between the president and speaker here and back and forth, how much are they talking, who said what and when. your thought on what would happen next because they still have major accomplishments they are setting out to do. gorsuch, for example, tax plan. >> neil gorsuch is mostly going to be confirmed as next justice on the supreme court. however, what they are going to probably do is try and tackle tax reform. i think there's a lot of worry on the part of people in the periphery, especially in wall street as well as the repubca operatives as tohether or not we can even get tax reform done and come to an agreement. i think we've seen donald trump come out and say he's willing to talk with democrats to pass tax reform but not the freedom caucus. and i don't know how democrats and republicans will idea logically align on tax reform. that's a good thing if they are going to talk with democrats. at the same time they would be wise to go out and refine and repair health care and access to it. one great way to do it, which

would be completely uncontroversial is empower cms who oversee medicare and medicaid to authorize urban residents, 80% of the country. if you do that you would cut costs a great deal with health care. >> karine, with democrats, we don't need to work for republicans. everything worked out just fine for us. besides that, our playbook over this last push for acha was grassroots. it worked really well across the country. >> that's exactly right. the american people won this week. they got energized, called congressional members, did the town halls and had a very loud voice, democrats and republicans. >> i have to correct you democrats taking credit for this bill going down is like cleveland browns taking credit for super bowl win. >> did you not see town halls and how republicans reacted to town halls. wait a minute, let me finish.

let me finish. not only that, the the calls that were made into their office. that's the truth. >> they didn't impact freedom caucus. >> karine, 15 minutes. >> thank you so much. at the end of the day, i just don't see how they are going to be following donald trump who has 37% approval rating. look, he didn't reach out to the democrats when he could have t try and tweak the aca. what he did was heet with all republicans. he went with over 100 republicans reported by the white house and didn't bother to bring the democrats, so i'm not really that confident he'll do the same with tax reform. they are not going to be the same ideologically. >> this not the last sunday we're going to talk about this. can you get your views in next time we gather. >> thank you very much. have a great sunday. >> we'll be right back. us...

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texas governor rick perry involved in another election. this time, the race for student body president alma mater texas a&m university. this week perry wrote op-ed blasted student government association for disqualifying robert macintosh, also the son of a prominent republican fundraiser. perry says the association at best made a mockery of due process and transparency. after disqualifying macintosh over voter intimidation and failing to report money he used to buy glow sticks used in a campaign video. runner up in the election, has now assumed the post of president. bobby, thanks for being here. what's your reaction to that op-ed. >> at first i was very taken back that rick perry, an energy secretary for united states would write an op-ed and scathing one at that.

it made me feel oloan. not every college student gets such an op-ed from energy secretary. >> you're first open ly gay member from the group. your reaction and what you would say to rick perry. >> i'm proud to be a gay man. that's something i cannot lose at any point. secretary perry if there's an issue with myseality,'d like to work with it. that comes down to me writing my letter to discuss the differences and discuss how to make the university better, since he is deciding he wants to show interest in the university and our affairs, i would be more than glad to meet with him to discuss them. >> what would you like to say to him? >> of course. i would love to ask his opinions on things so i can become the best leader possible. has he a plethora of leadership experience thanks to his

leadership of our state and in washington. there are many that feel they go unheard. that's something i would like to share with him because i'm not sure he hears that sometimes. >> why do you think he wrote the op-ed? anything specific to you he does not like? >> that is quite the question. i'll let the viewers decide that one for themselves. in terms of that, you know, i'm not sure if he has anything against me. if he does, that is, again, something i'd like to work with him on. >> again, you'd like to work with him. have you heard at all in 15 seconds here for the person who was supposed to be -- you're the runner up, now taken the presidency, anything to say about the individual he does support? >> i have no comment towards him. i wish him the best of luck in his affairs. >> all right. bobby brooks, thank you so much for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that does it for us this hour right here on msnbc. i'm richard lui. catch me on social media. let us know you what think about what we said and what we talked

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