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tv   Hardball With Chris Matthews  MSNBC  March 27, 2017 11:30pm-12:01am PDT

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i love polls, i believe polls. i love polls because i'm number one in every poll. if i was number two or if i was number ten the word poll wouldn't be in my vocabulary. >> the new gallup approval rating is not high on the president's list, he just hit
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his lows approval rating yet. 36%. taking less time to get there than any president before him in our history. in the last 50 years three presidents never did hit a rating as low as trump's current popularity. barak obama, bill clinton, gerald ford never hit as throw as 36 and those who did took more time ranging from ronald reagan who get there the fastest 741, george w. bush, contrasting with the current president who took 66 days to get there. we are happy to be joined by michael -- this white house prides itself in being non-traditional. we heard bannon talk about not
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being more traditional. they have a tool box to raise the rating of the chief ex executives do you think we will see that? >> i don't think so, there are people who know how to do that and unfortunately the trump white house has not hired any of t them an does not give hint that they're going to do that. even a strong liberal like lbj o or conservative like ronald reagan, they want to expand the people who like them and donald trump came out of the gate, you heard that inaugural address, the utterance that he's made that more people have heard than anything else that was called american carnage a very hard right address and basically these two months he's played very much to his base and the result has been that his support is diminish from the the 47% on
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election night. in terms of getting out of this, bill clinton lost the midterm elections, the congress flipped from democrat to republican. he had the dexterity to move himself to the center for things like welfare reform and a balanced budget. i don't see donald trump wanting to do that or having the ability to do that. >> you could see last week in his remarks that he had just read in to how factionalized the republican party was then reassured us both sides like trump. he went on twitter to call the russian story a hoax but also said this about health care and this is interesting the democrats will make a deal with me on health care as soon as obamacare folds, not long. do not worry, we are in very good shape. michael. my quotes from his remarks last week. this is what he said from the oval office about health care, it's not going to be pretty,
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this year should be much worse when it explodes which it will soon. presidents have used that desk to exhort us, not a president talk about bad things about ourselves, it's quite a transition. >> i heard that and watching by myself and you're absolutely right, brian, usually the presidents use the oval office to inspire people and exhort them to the best and the american tradition to basically say our health care system in the country is going to collapse and explode which implies a lot of people are going to get hurt and that's a good thing because then we can change it it's something rarely if ever heard from any american president especially behiend that resolut
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desk. >> the other thing that came out today his disapproval rating. if i were the political director, that would become my operati operating thesis right there. if he is going to continue to go after the trump base -- >> that's a big part -- one reason to try to reach across the aisle is because i think it's politically smart. in he wants to get re-elected he's not going do it with 36% of the vote most probably but the more importantly is that most presidents from the very beginning understood that we are a union of a lot of different people very hard to keep stuck together. abraham lincoln found that the most difficult of all and all found it was their sacred assignment to try to not increase the division in the country and try to increase the
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unity and that's a message i think donald trump has yet to get. >> do you think most americans still want to see both parties agreeing on something in that city sitting there behind you? >> the polls certainly suggest that and the longer we have a central issue like health care unresolved which does wind up hurting people's lives in a very direct way until this is resolved i think people will feel all the more strongly and penalize people who want to divide this country. >> one of the people who so ably chronicals our times, thank you very much for coming on with us tonight. >> thank you, brian nice to see you. >> dick cheney remind us of the old republican party before trump, when the 11th hour continues.
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today we had a brief reminder how the republican
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party used to talk about russia as an enemy of the united states and came from vice president dick cheney at a conference in india. >> there's not any argument at this stage that somehow the presidency of president trump was legitimate but there was a very serious effort made by mr. putin and his government and his organization to interfere in major ways with our fundamental democratic process, in some cases that would be considered an act of war. i cannot under estimate the weight that we as americans assign with russians attempt to interfere with our political process. >> our panel is back with us. jeremy, former ambassador to russia has called it an act of war. centrist tv viewers who never
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liked anything that dick cheney ever said surely will look at that and say yeah, that's how we used to refer to russia before all this other russia talk threatened to become normalized that was normal. >> yeah, i think the former vice president has it exactly right, which is it's not an issue of the president's legitimacy. he is the president. his legitimacy comes from his ability to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states. and not have his presidency or his policies under minmined by foreign power, that's what is so gravely serious about the situation and to have the investigations compromised, to have all these shenanigans to distract, diffuse, which is a national security threat to our country and constitution, that is what must change and what i think the former vice president is calling out tonight. >> phillip, do you think this --
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all things russia, especially this churning investigation that has several fronts, do you think this comes for lack of a better term the original sin of this administration? >> i think it already is. i think donald trump himself is clearly aware that this russia cloud is hanging over him or he wouldn't be tweeting about it tonight if he weren't aware, or twee tweeting about it countless numbers of times as well. there's of course a very high percentage chance that nothing happens with this, that donald trump is simply the beneficiary of vladimir putin's efforts to try to have hillary clinton not be president of the united states. that is very likely that's where this turns out. that said in the history books it will be mentioned that donald trump was elekcted by the
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assistance of vladimir putin. >> the possibility of four to five people from close positions around trump going down to hearings now on the hill that if they're guilty is treason. >> what is so ironic about this is that what republicans were saying during the campaign season is that you can not vote for hillary clinton because she might be under an fbi investigation. >> imagine that. >> what if she is indicted her campaign cannot be trusted, she can't be trusted, you can't vote for her period because donald trump is the lesser of two evils because he's not under investigation. his campaign is now under investigation and has a high number of high ranking officials talk to go the senate intelligence committee. that's a big deal and very hard to square. i've asked republicans about this vocal republicans who said exactly those words on the campaign trail and they do everything they can to try to
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minimize the fact that donald trump's campaign is under investigation for allegedly colluding with a foreign power, potentially colluding with a foreign power. >> and worth noting it was under investigation whether they knew it or not at the tail end of the campaign. >> that's right. o open and active investigation. jeremy, we all saw video on this side of the world of dem tra demonstrations in russia, not kwi quite the women's march, an all this notion of russia being somehow involved in our election, government administration, this was kind of normalizing because for a lot of americans you can take yourself back and say oh, yeah, putin must not be popular to all russians then heard from spicer today kind of take a pro forma stance on behalf of the protesters. >> well, the russian
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government -- >> the united states strongly condemns the detention of hundreds of people protesters throughout russia on sunday. we are troubled to hear of the arrest of the opposition leader upon rival of the demonstration as well as the police raids. the united states will monitor the situation and call on the government of russia to immediately release all peaceful protesters. >> jeremy, that was rude of me to interrupt you, but it was suggested not the strongest tone he could have taken. >> yeah, they were arresting some 800 protesters an have had a human rights record that have seen journalists, oppositionsts killed. a lawyer thrown out of a fourth floor window on the eve of testifying against some russian cronies and putin cronies so
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there's a record that must be forcefully condemned. i think it's important to note even if evidence of collusion does not emerge in the near term, there are policy issues that vladimir putin wants to pursue. he's getting that from the united states under the current administration so he is getting his pound of flesh. >> jeremy, i have to ask as i do at regular intervals about your friends and former colleagues, the people so proud of their government service especially cia, pentagon, the people whose names we never hear about continuing to work, what if you could take their pulse, take a poll what would they say? >> yeah, it's been a disappointing two months, brian, because they have seen them and their work assailed by the first customer, the commander in chief. now in some areas i think they just keep their head down and sort of ignore a lot of the political -- on the hill and do
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their work and out there at this hour at some corners of the globe risks their lives for us and do their work around deserve the thanks of a grateful nation, but at some point at some level it is disheartening, demoralizing because if the president continually assails them, accusing them of inappropriately surveilling them as he did three saturdays ago that take as toll and when you do that on the intelligence community you are making your country more vulnerable. >> thank you so much both for tonight. about mr. bump, we have some further questions for him and here is why. coming up, just how much of his time has this president spent at trump properties thus far? the "washington post" reporter who crunched the numbers, i'm looking at you, is here with us when the 11th hour continues.
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if i were in the white house i don't think i would ever see durall i don't think i would see anything, i just want to stay in the white house and work my ass off and make great deals, who is going to leave? who is going to leave. >> we kept phil with us because he just reported nearly one out of every three days he's been president donald trump has visited a trump property. phillip, the obamas came under withering attack for all of his golf outings for their family vacations to his home state and hawaii and so on and so on, americans who love their country have consistently said we want our president to be rested whatever that take as. what is the problem with the facts and figures you have
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unearthed about how much of his presidency he's spent at his properties? >> the first is the hypocrisy, broadly attacked barak obama on countless occasions for going out and playing golf and outings, usually when the press goes with him they aren't granted access to what he is doing. he's out on the golf course, the press staff says he's having meetings, hitting a few balls, in the past, it's a three-hour meeting with three people we don't know who they are and that's the sort of question the press exists to answer. another we don't know the extent that the government is paying to protect his property, there's a lot of money incurred to taking care of the president and his family, we don't know even though he's separated from the
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company for the course of his presidency we don't know how much money they get from the money for that? >> this was raised during the north korean missile launch, it is possible for moneyed people to buy their way into the president's circle, that awful word that sounds like it's ingredient in hand cream emoluments plays in here but you can buy access to at least his social circle if not physical proximity. >> exactly right. we've seen photos, we have seen some of the reporting in the press is because people post instagram, him hitting golf balls or meeting with people so we are seeing pictures of mar-a-lago, eight weekends he's gone to trump properties most of those times. we've seen photographs of what he's doing, meeting with folks and stopping at events at mar
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march -- mar-a-lago, which supports mar-a-lago. >> phillip bump of the "washington post," we enjoy having you spend time with us, thank you very much. >> an odd photo opportunity with its current resident today. coming up.
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last thing before we go here tonight, what we think was a joke from the president as he signed several bills into law, rolling back obamacare, land use and other things as he walked to greet people in the room he made a comment about the piece of furniture where he was supposed to sit. >> it's a child's desk, but that's okay. smallest desk i've ever seen. glamoro glamorous right? >> if the whole thing seemed familiar familiar this is why. >> may i have my desk back. >> yes, i'll go sit at my desk.
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>> while our recent string of presidents have not been quite as large as the current president while it's a striking strikingdy striking dichotomy, it is used for the signer ceremony like when the dodd-frank bill was signed or president george w. bush in the reduction act. or reagan on the south lawn in 1986 and went back and found linden b johnson signing a measure having to do with southeast asia at a comparatively small desk. about this desk though in this white house we are guessing to paraphrase you won't be seeing that no more.
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that does it for this "11th hour" good night from all of us in new york. deals, a white house in crisis now calling its own health care bill a bad one. it's knowing when to walk away and knowing when there's a bad deal. >> tonight the threats, recrimination and blame game inside oval office. >> paul ryan needs to step down. >> then, the mysterious midnight run of nunes. >> if i really wanted to, i could have snuck on to the grounds late at night and probably nobody would have seen me. i wasn't trying to hide. >> the white house today struggling to explain why the house intel chair was visiting the night before he briefed the president. >> speaker ryan should replace chairman nunes. plus the president's son-in-law agrees to testify in the senate russia probe and new reporting about the growing