let's start on capitol hill. we saw casy this morning in the hallways. you spoke to him very briefly this morning. you heard from the speaker of the house. how much pressure is he under on the hill right now? >> i think you can understand the pressure that they're under by the length of the answers that we are getting from these members of congress this morning. usually they're willing to chat or talk at some length. he has been giving long press conferences. paul ryan usually a little bit shorter, but he was very short today. i asked him two questions. i asked does he believe that he should recuse himself from this investigation and i asked if he knows what -- who his source was when he went to the white house grounds to read that information. he said three words no and no in answer to those questions so that shows you how much house leadership wants to be talking

about this right now and clearly this is something that is evolving quickly. we have additional information this morning about sally yates and the testimony she had asked to give to the house intelligence committee. she was supposed to testify publicly today. that hearing was cancelled on friday, the same day that her attorney sent a letter to the white house and said we're going to give them information about michael flynn, potential opportunities for blackmail on the part of the russians, and then after that that same day nunes cancelled the hearing and now adam schiff is crying foul and saying this must be connected. we are still working on exactly how all of this unfolded here on the congressional side, but so far republicans not giving in to calls for nunes to recuse himself, but every piece of information is raising questions about the credibility of this

house side investigation. >> stay right there. i'm going to throw the control room into chaos. do we have pete williams ready to go since you brought up sally yates? is pete there? no. let me go back to you for a second. talk a little bit about how what happened today, these new revelations with sally yates, the statements by the ranking member schiff, even i think you can look at this in the perspective of somebody like a lindsey graham who said nunes has to come clean with the democrats and if he doesn't i don't know how he leads. he wouldn't go outright and say he needs to step down, but you hear more and more republicans who seem to be uncomfortable with what they're seeing happening on the intelligence committee, which has this very sacred -- i think i can use that word -- job of congressional oversight. how does this play into where we

already were with the intelligence committee and nunes? >> let's take a broad look at this and drill down. so what is this about fundamentally? the house intelligence committee is investigating russian meddling in the u.s. election. part of that involves the white house. we know that the fbi director has acknowledged they are investigating any contacts between russians and the trump campaign. so that is what is potentially at stake here. so every piece of this -- i would say we have a couple of different things going on right now that all feed into the same narrative or set of questions. so on the one hand you have nunes apparently going to the white house grounds to review intelligence from a source that he does not share with democrats, has apparently not shared the source with paul ryan, the speaker of the house, reviews that intelligence, goes in front of microphones the next day and says that there is incidental collection of intelligence on the trump campaign on the trump

transition. this, of course, seeming to give am so credibility to the president's assertion that he was surveilled by the obama white house at some point. that was an assertion that had previously been put to rest in a public hearing. this, of course, has democrats raising questions about his credibility. did he get this information from white house sources? is this something the trump administration wanted out in public to further their political goals. then you have another seemingly separate, but, of course, related set of incidents around this new information we're just learning this information. that is sally yates and what she was going to say in this scheduled public hearing about, again, ties between trump officials, the trump transition and eventually the administration, particularly around michael flynn, who of course was ousted as nsa director because he did not -- he had these improper conversations and lied to the vice president about whether those conversations had

occurred. so this new information obviously lends itself right into the same narrative that we've already been talking about, even though it may not be directly connected, and that is is the investigation that is going on in the house intelligence committee going to be credible? it clearly at this point has stopped being bipartisan. you have these calls for nunes to recuse himself. democrats have not said they are going to stop participating in the investigation. they'd lose access to the information if they did that, but clearly all of this adds to these questions about the credibility of what's going on here in the house intelligence committee. >> thank you so much. as always on top of everything. we appreciate that. i want to go over to the white house. christen is standing by. we know the president tweeted about the russian investigation last night, but before i will note that you indoors, not outdoors. is it because of the weather or you're in lock down? >> reporter: because right now secret service not allowing us

to go outside, you're right, due to a suspicious package. they are investigating, sweeping the grounds of the white house. worth pointing out this is not necessarily something that is uncommon. obviously security very tight here around the white house grounds. as they look at that outside, inside to your question about that trump tweet overnight as it relates to this russia investigation, let me read you what he said and then discuss am so of the implications of it. he tweeted, why isn't the house intelligence committee looking into the bill and hillary deal that allowed big uranum to go to russia. praise of russia by hillary. trump, russia story is a ho hoax #maga. hillary clinton is not in power and she's no longer a candidate. he's the one in the white house and he's the one getting the

scrutiny over this. it is an attempt to try to turn the page on what continues to overshadow this administration as he tries to reset from that big loss last week failing to get a repeal and replace bill through congress. he's trying to say wait a minute, there are questions about my former arrival, hillary clint clinton, but the reality is this investigation continues to move forward and obviously the questions are growing, the calls are growing for nunes to step down. white house press secretary spisean spicer is going to hold a briefing in a few hours. he'll get peppered with questions about this as he was yesterday, specifically is the white house aware who briefed nunes. he said they didn't know who that was, but he didn't rule out the possibility that it could be someone with ties to the white

house. the concerns continue to mount as those questions go uninnocenu unanswered. >> let's bring in our panel to talk more about it all. washington bureau chief and political analyst and former bush/cheney advisor and former fbi double agent and author of "how to catch a russian spy". it's moving fast and furious. let's start with the basic premise that we heard in a question from kassie hunt. can the house intelligence committee be a credible investigative body? what's the answer. >> can the republicans on the house intelligence committee be objective? i don't know the answer to that. the reason why i don't know the answer to that -- >> let's make it smaller. nunes? >> i don't know the answer to that and that's because as a former surrogate for the president, as someone who clearly went to the white house

and briefed the administration before he briefed his colleagues, how can you not be objective? just being completely fair. let me flip the coin here. if this in fact was hillary clinton's white house -- i'm serious. >> i know you are. >> if it is hillary clinton's white house, you know what the talking points would be. let's be fair and make sure -- let me go back to this vladimir putin is not our friend. anything we can do to ensure our democracy is intact needs to be objective in this case. >> here we are. you have the whole sally yates part of this playing into it. where are we with this? >> we're on the verge of a constitutional crisis. why i say that is why do we let in our government people do secret things, the intelligence agencies? it's a democracy and republic and they're supposed to answer to the public, but they do many things we don't know about.

the reason we let them do that is because people we elect in the legislative branch oversee these people. that's the only reason why we let them do secret things. what we see now thanks to nunes he is destroying the congressional oversight president over whether putin meddled in our election and we know he did and to see if there was any degree of encouragement between the trump campaign and moscow. you have the president tweeting out this is a hoax. i hope sean spicer gets a lot of questions about that today. it's not a hoax. why does he keep insisting this is made up? you have nunes twice running to the president's aide la last we with his bizarre press conference and then now cancelling the sally yates hearing which would have been bad for the investigation and

there were two more hearings scheduled. this would have been a disastrous situation like last week. he seems more concerned for protecting the president than oversight. >> let's go back to your first statement which is there a proper place for secrecy when you're looking at investigations. is there something that you see now that we have every day new revolutions about nunes, where he was and who he was with and what he found out, but where's the place for secrecy for this and where does it not make sense? >> there has to be trust by the american people, by the public in the work that the intelligence committee does. the trust is not going to be by exposing the secret stuff they do. what nunes has done and what has happened with the intelligence committee in the house is that trust has been broken.

i think there should be a public forum for this stuff. there's a lot of questions about the legitimacy of the presidency in short and a lot of questions go back to russia. so there needs to be some public forum here, but there's an investigation going on. the reality is that investigation is with the fbi and we won't know if ever what actually happened until the fbi finishes that. i have to say, i feel very concerned that that investigation is getting co-mingled with the partisan politics on both sides. >> you have the senate intelligence committee and you have the fbi. you're not confident of those because of perhaps the way this is bleeding over? i want to make sure i understand what your concern is. >> i have to say there is a partisanship here and what nunes did didn't help things, but there's a partisanship that has taken over this. at the core of the question here is not just was there collaboration with the trump

campaign, but it's what did russia do and what can we do going forward to ensure that never happens again. that should be the unifying theme here. you may want to protect the president and you may be a republican or democrat, but russia meddled in our core democratic principal and i think they tried to recruit american u.s. persons. that is something that should both horror and unite republicans and democrats alike. >> to that point at sixth civics student can figure this out and that is that congress is a co-equal branch of government and congress has the congressional oversight and what nunes did was he delegitimatized that branch of government. this is how democracy is supposed to work. the executive branch gets oversight from the legislative branch. >> there's this question that you brought up about do we think vladimir putin is a good guy. your former boss dick cheney

talked about that. fascinating what he had to say. take a listen. >> there was a very serious effort made by mr. putin and his government and his organization to interfere in major ways with our basic fundamental democratic processes. in some quarters that would be considered an act of war. >> david, i don't want the sky to fall in, but i'm thinking you might actually agree for the first time with dick cheney. >> i'm looking to see if there's any snow now. i do agree and it pains me to say that i see republicans elected republicans who are trying to protect the president who have been dismissing both nunes and senator burr who is leading the senate intelligence committee were both reluctant to take on this investigation and the only reason they did in the end is because john mccain and others were pushing for a select

committee or an independent commission so they had to do it to keep control. so the reasyou see them say not about this. >> if you're mccain or lindsay graham and you're somebody who is looking at this not just about what's happening to your party but i think about what -- we've heard senator warner say complimentary things different between the relationship between schiff and nunes, what do you do? >> if you're a republican you put country first. we see that not happening again and again amongst most elected republicans. some outside republicans like dick cheney feel more free to say things. and one really important thing to keep in mind, because i think the house intelligence committee investigation is irrelevant. i don't think they can put it back together. the fbi investigation is going

forward, but this is important. it may not become public. we may not know what they find out. >> a white house official is completely denying the story on sally yates. that's going to be an interesting press briefing today. the white house is completely denying it. that brings us to a perfect point, which is that you know how investigations work. you know frankly how spy craft works, but you also know how you get to the bottom of things. how much of what the american public needs to know and serious people on these various congressional committees and within the fbi need to know, how much of it is knowable, whether publicly or not? >> look at the core of this i really think the american public has a right to know and frankly has a right to have confidence in the fact that our government is staffed by people who are not controlled by an outside country. i think that is where the investigation should go.

the specifics matter, but frankly they matter less than that core question, which is do we have people under the direction of a foreign country? i think that is essentially what the investigation is seeking to answer. when you have michael flynn who comes back and says i met with a foreign aelgt it bringent it brf things into question. >> thank you so much. more this morning, the president tweeting about new jobs at ford motor company, major investment to be mean. that's what the president tweeted. ron mott joins me now from chicago. how many jobs are we talking about and are they the result of this administration's policy or were they in the pipeline before the president was elected? >> good morning. this is good news, no doubt about that. the question is whether this is old news because a lot of what the president is appearing to take credit for was negotiated

and announced two years ago when ford signed its newest deal with the united out workers union. in terms of the jobs mentioned today the company will create or retain 130 jobs at one of those three facilities it announced it was going to make an investment in today. they made similar announcements back in january when donald trump took office and at that time they said they would add 700 jobs, new jobs at a new plant that they were planning to build. today's announcement much more modest in terms of jobs, new jobs, and again the phrasing with the company is that it will create or retain 130 jobs. all of this comes as a part of ford's announcement two years ago to make a significant $9 billion investment in their plants here in the country. and what has happened, they have slowly trickled out the details

of those investments, but a lot has been on the books and in the planning for a couple of years. maybe this is a stretch to claim that his administration has had some bearing on the announcement we are seeing today. >> you put it in the right way. if one of those jobs is your job this is a big deal, but i appreciate your giving us the proper perspective. thanks. in hours the fight over implement change, business versus environmentalists and this new executive order. plus the fight over the supreme court pick neil gorsuch. . to stealth bombers... to next-generation fighters... ♪ to landing an unmanned vehicle on a carrier

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on another busy day at the white house i want to bring you up to date. 1:00 eastern time we'll hear from sean spicer. a lot going on and a lot of questions. that will be a fascinating briefing. 2:00 and we'll be talking about this in a minute, energy and now this is the tape that just came in the faternal order of police. let's take a listen. >> you keep us safe. >> yes, sir. >> you keep us safe. it's a tremendous honor to welcome the fraternal order of police to the white house. you've been friends of mine. i want to thank your entire

leadership team and your national president. i also want to thank you for your support during the election. i guess you probably know the numbers were extremely lopsided, right? i'm trying to figure out who are the few people that voted the other way? who are they? as i traveled the country during my campaign i had the great privilege to spend time with amazing police officers who risk their lives every day to keep us safe and i made a crucial pledge, we will always support, and you people know that better than anybody, you know me, the incredible men and women of law enforcement. i will always have your back 100% like you've always had mine and you showed that on november 8th. i'm pleased to have with us our great attorney general, jeff sessions. that was a big day you had yesterday too on sanctuary cities. that was a very, very important thing you did and frankly a very

popular thing. congratulations. jeff is with us as a strong supporter of law enforcement. you know that. he was in alabama. he was the attorney general. he was the u.s. attorney and a lot of people don't know that. they know him as a senator, but the law enforcement people knew him more even as the others you're going to do a great job. sadly our police are often prevented from doing their jobs. when policing is reduced the main victims are the citizens of our society. in too many communities violent crime is on the rise and in too many places our citizens have not been safe for a very very long time. these are the painful realities many in washington do not want to talk about. they just don't want to hear about it. and we have seen that. we've seen it all over. by the way, who is from the

standpoint of new york, where are my new york guys here? that's terrible. i have one sitting in my office. he's the greatest. he's coming right in. last year in chicago 4,368 people were shot. nearly 700 more have already been shot since january of this year alone. i ask what's going on in chicago, right? what is going on. there's no excuse for it. there's no excuse for it. i'm sure you're asking the same question, what's going on in chicago. i also want to thank our vice president for being with us. mike pence has been an amazing vice president and very much, i believe, very law enforcement and the job you people do. all of our citizens have the right to live in safety and peace. we will work every day to remove the gang members, drug dealers and violent criminals from your communities and we already are. they're being moved very quickly. general kelly has done a

fantastic job on the boarder. down 61% since inauguration, people coming in. down 61%, which is a tremendous number. my highest duty as president is the security of our people, the security of our nation. that is why i've already taken numerous actions to enhance domestic security, including the creation of task force on reducing violent crime an interagency task force to dismantle criminal cartels and historic actions to secure our boarders and remove criminals from our country. we're removing ms-13. we're removing criminals all over the country. they're getting out. we're taking them out. for that i thank you folks. i know you're in coordination with general kelly and the boarder patrol and i.c.e.

as president i will work night and day to make america safe again and we've already done a big part of it. you'll see the numbers come out soon. i want to thank all of you for your leadership and expertise and the job you've done and it's a great honor to be with you today and we'll now go around and just introduce yourself. introduce yourself in fronts of all this live television. it's always live for me. unfortunately other guys they reach over. with manage e everything is liv. one mistake and it's no good. we don't make mistakes. go ahead, ken. >> the national president for the fraternal order of police. >> i'm the vice president. >> i'm the treasurer of the national fraternal order of police from delaware. >> i'm the national secretary and i'm from louisiana. >> national sergeant tat arms

from california. >> president from philadelphia. >> i'm the chairman of the national trustees and i'm from oklahoma. >> i'm the president of chicago alive seven. >> i'm executive director of the national fop and i reside in maryland. >> good. okay. thank you very much, folks. >> i'm not sure if you could hear the question. the question was about nunes and whether he should step down. the president declined to answer. this is a listening series we see him have on a frequent basis with a group of folks. he has another thing which democrats are calling an assault on the environment. president trump is going to sign an order that would wipe out

president obama's climate policies. it would lift the moratorium on coal and identify regulations that curb domestic energy production. president trump spoke about the plan last week. >> clean coal, right? we are prepared new executive actions to save our coal industry and to save our wonderful coal miners from continuing to be put out of work. the miners are coming back. >> joining me now is the senior fellow at the atlantic council. thanks so much for coming in. what's your concern about what you hear from the president and what he plans to do today? >> well, frankly this is the most aggressive attack that we've seen from president trump on public health and the environment. we know that climate change is a problem. president obama took specific actions to reduce greenhouse gas

emissions. he took actions across the federal government to make sure that we were being able to grow the economy at the same time we were driving carbon pollution down. what president trump is proposing with this executive order is to basically ditch all of those rules and regulations that are in place to protect public health. >> they say energy dependance is what got us in trouble in the first place and this is the opposite of that. i want to play what the intorer secretary had to say this morning. >> producing energy domesticly is better than it being producds overseas. if we have energy here produced it makes us stronger overseas. >> he suggests it makes us safer because we're in control of those regulations. what do you say? >> i would say we're actually

safer when he we have regulations in place to guide that development and make sure that production that's happening on federal lands is done so in a sustainable way and the core support to transition to renewable power which is home grown, we want to be energy independent, but we want to do that at the same time we're protecting the public health. >> when someone says we're going to save jobs, coal is going to be part of clean power -- the clean power act through 2040 anyway. let's make it controllable. let's bring jobs back to places like west virginia. give us a sense of how you balance that as somebody who considers yourself i'm sure an environmentalist and what the real world impact is? >> i think for starters what people in coal country need are solutions rather than just talk and banter.

we know that we are as a country making this transition to clean energy. we have actually today more jobs in wind, solar and clean tech than we do in the mining industry. if you think about it globally with paris and the treaty, the paris international climate treaty you had over 195 countries agreeing that directionally where we need to take this is lower emissions technologies, more renewables and more energy efficiency and that's where the rest of the world is going. that's a reason that china will invest $360 billion is because they see that as the future. we want the jobs in america, but we have to keep the regulations in place to guide that transition and we have to continue to invest in research and development and all we've seen from this president is happy talk that climate change is a problem, but no plan to

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and more no votes could be announced soon now that democrats delayed the vote until next week giving any undecideds more time to think it over. the democrat in danger of losing his seat next year said he is still undecided. >> there's some things we want to talk about and how his rulgs and thousand proceght process. >> will you vote in closure? >> i want to see if we can get to a point where we can prevent from going to a blow up if you will the nuclear option. >> with me now democratic senator richard blumenthal of connecticut who serves on the judiciary and commerce committee. good afternoon. let me ask you are you still undecided on judge gorsuch? >> i am undecided in the sense i've announced no final conclusion, but i have very,

very deep concerns about his failure to be more forthcoming and direct in his answers to my questions and the trump litmus test makes those answers so important because donald trump said his nominee was going to automatically overturn roe v wade and be deeply conservative so unless he is more forthcoming in his written response to see questions i've submitted, i certainly have to conclude that he has complied with the trump litmus test and fails to meet the broader concern that the american public has. >> it's one thing to vote no. it's another thing to filibuster and impose the nuclear option which has been widely discussed is a huge change in the way business is done in the senate. are your concerns great enough that if you do not get the answers that you want do you believe that the only way to go

is filibuster and then ultimately the nuclear option will happen? >> if i conclude he's out of the mainstream and he fails to be more forthcoming in his response to my questions, i will use every tool available, including the filibuster. let me be very clear. a supreme court nominee an appointee for life to the nation's highest court should be approved by more than a razor thin margin. there should be consensus behind that nominee. it's more than just the concern about this nominee. it is also a really deepening interest that i think the american public shares in making sure there is bipartisanship and support for this nominee. >> let me ask you about the other big story that's in the news today if i can and that is this report in "the washington post" that the white house want to stop former attorney general sally yates from testifying

about the possible links between the trump campaign and russia. the white house by the way is denying that they tried to invoke any kind of presidential privilege, but this series of letters has been reviewed by "the washington post." nbc is currently reviewing them. i know you're very careful with your words, but as you look at this what is your reaction? >> my reaction is one of powerful regret that the administration is placing roadblocks in the way of a proper investigation and it almost looks like an effort to obstruct this investigation that might well constitute a violation of law. >> obstruction of justice? >> well, i don't want to conclude that there's been an obstruction of justice because the intelligence committee is not a criminal justice agency,

but i feel the administration has a duty to come forward and explain why it pressured this witness or the committee not to permit this testimony to go forward. here's the really important point. the need now is absolutely overwhelmingly clear. there needs to be a special prosecutor here. the deepening debacle surrounding this intelligence committee investigation, the possibilities of some effort to obstruct it, the pressure brought to bear on people not to be forthcoming all suggests that a criminal investigation done by an independent special prosecutor is absolutely necessary and it reflects on the gorsuch nomination to the supreme court because the independence of the judiciary is all the more important now, more than just a vague possibility, there is clearly a real possibility that the united states supreme court may have to enforce subpoenas relating to

the investigation going forward. >> let me back up just a little bit from the possibility and we've been talking about this for a while of an independent investigation. do you see any circumstances under which nunes should retain his chairmanship of the intelligence committee or do you believe that is so tainted he has to step down? >> he has to step down, even if were only the appearance of what he has done. there is a reality of potential impropriety as well. he would have to step down to ensure the objectivity and impartiality of the intelligence committee investigation. for him to suggest there's no question here why should i is really an insult to the american people and to the institution of congress. >> senator, always good to have you on the show, sir. thanks so much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. up next, the lynching of

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there's a new effort in the fight for justice for emmett till whose brutal killing in 1955 helped spark the civil rights movement. the family met with attorney general jeff sessions and they talked about the unsolved civil rights crime reauthorization act. that's a long name, but what it does is simple, it allows the justice department and fbi to open unsolved civil rights crimes that happened before 1980. it's an expanded version of the original bill signed by president obama. emmett till was 14 years old. he was beaten, tortured and killed by two white men for allegedly grabbing and whistling at a white woman in mississippi. till's mother chose to have an

open casket funeral so the world could see what was done to her son and those images were broadcast across the world. the men were acquitted and later confessed to killing till, and last month a woman at the center of the case admitted she exaggerated part of her testimony. joining me now is till's cousin deborah watts. i just read that book. it is -- i don't often recommend books. the story of your cousin is compelling. it's important. what you did this morning was important. you got a face-to-face with the attorney general of the united states. how did it go and what was the conversation like? >> it went very well, actually, but i'll have to tell you that this is a part of a long journey that our family has been on, but also one that the person that invited me who is with the emmett till justice campaign he invited me to come along with him to this meeting so it was an honor to represent my family and

our work and represent justice. so the conversation -- >> what did you say to the attorney general? >> well, the basic -- the purpose of the meeting was to open the lines of communications with the justice department and with the attorney general and to impress upon him that this should be a priority. we want it to be a priority and we wanted to know -- let him know how important it is that this bill -- the bill has already passed, but that the kpl implementation of the bill needs to take place. there are other families out there that have no justice. they don't know the truth about some of their loved ones that have been murdered. there's been no adjudication and no answers. they deserve that and he agreed with us that that should occur. also with this bill.

>> civil rights leaders from the time this administration came into office have had grave concerns about the impact on civil rights and the strides made by the obama administration. sitting in that meeting looking him in the eye, what's your feeling about how this is going to be move forward? >> with this situation i felt very good about it. i know that there's been concerns and of course i can't say that i didn't have some of those concerns myself, but we left with clear commitment, if you will, regarding the ability to work with the justice department as we move forward. again, we're developing a plan and that plan is going to allow us to the opportunity to look at cases, present cases, within the law that qualify under the bill. they have to be racially motivated. the perpetrators have to be a i

live and there also needs to be some it terms of ability to provide the, -- i guess the pathway to justice for them. those are the things we're looking for and things we got a commitment from. we will be able to take a look at some of those cases. and move forward with the justice department and the civil rights division. >> it's so great of you to come in and i just say that until i read the book i didn't know enough and anybody who cares about civil rights in this country needs to know more about your cousin emmett till. thank you for coming. >> we'll be right back. can i get some help. watch his head. ♪ i'm so happy. ♪

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we're back with our daily briefing on politics and we're drilling down on who has the real power in the white house, the power to influence president trump. my colleagues say it is ivanka trump and her husband, jared kushner. joining me is mark murray and ali vitale. you cover the white house now, were you surprised to hear a statement like that about ivanka from your sources? >> we covered the campaign for

18 months. the same goes for jared kushner. it makes sense that he is trying to enact a policy agenda especially when he is facing stumbles on major things like health care. ivanka is there because she has president trump's interest at heart. it is notable when you consider the competing factions in the white house. >> if this is the case, if she really is the person, what does that mean for a steve bannon or a vice president mike pence, or a reince priebus. >> i think she is one of the most important people, but the reason has to do with the lack of government experience.

he likes different spheres, so there is definitely a jared and ivanka sphere. and they might be the most important one, but there is still the steve bannon, the reince priebus. >> i think you get the same question that i get a lot from people. >> i find it's like stop tweeting or talking -- >> i think if there was a person, she would be among them. people are often jockeying for his favor. aides are on favor talking to an audience of one, they're looking for approval from the president, but i think she is and jarrett

are different. they are already family, he trusts their interests are al n aligned with his. because they have that bond already. what is that relationship like. what do we know about him as part of a washington power couple? >> he has been tasked with so many different things. he has been charged up to help solve middle east peace. one of the most difficult conflicts in this world. but one of the reasons that i don't think jared or ivanka is they can't be fired. a white house chief of staff can be replaced.

>> check it out, great story on our website. a lot more on this fascinating story. thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. let's keep it going with another hour of packed news. right now on ann ddrea mitchell reports. violenced? white house denying reports they were stopping sally yates from testifying this week. details ahead. in or out? the chairman of the house intelligence committee heading up their investigation into electi election. >> we had an investigation in russia for many, many years. >> are you going to rescues yourself? >> excuse me. >> is that a no? >> i think it would be in the best interest for the chairman to step