>> and subject to certain ethics rules, conflict of interest rules. she will have to make the same kind of disclosures as her husband. before she was saying she was going to voluntarily do all of that. obviously that means there are no enforcement mechanisms in case she chooses not to voluntarily do it. i think ethics experts are happier she's going to officially be part of the administration. >> what should we know that you've found out along the way? >> she obviously has her business, she has separated herself and created her own business interest. like her father, she's created an empire out of licensing their name. she's tried to expand overseas. so a lot of conflicts do apply to ivanka and she's had to take similar steps to mitigate those conflicts.

>> much has been said about this kind of proving the difference between the trump organization and a big fortune 500 company with a board and publicly available stocks. it has been, at the core, more a family business. in later years, some would argue more of a licensing business and so we have this core relationship. a lot of people can't blame the president for saying the closest thing i have to a cabinet or board of directors is my family. >> we're seeing a president run his administration and effectively the entire federal government the same way he ran a small private business with no stock holders, no board -- no oversight at all really and this is where he's comfortable. you have to step back. all the things rachel said about ivanka trump are true. she's been very successful in the business world sort of in the same way her father has

been. but you have to step back and say what is her credential tool be in the west wing effecting policy, advising the president. she's a senior a person as there is now all because she is the president's daughter. this move may mollify some of the complaints and concerns by ethics -- those who know the ethical ins and outs of things. she's a security blanket for her father. beyond that, it will be interesting to see what her role is. >> no one here has governing experience. you can go through reince priebus, kellyanne, bannon but on the last name it was bannon's quote taking on the administrative state and why would we here a fleet of people that have been part of the problem?

>> and to be fair in every administration, democrat, republican, there are people in the white house that have debatable credentials or people in the west wing there because of their political connections. so it's not totally strange to have seone where you'd say well, what qualifications do you have? what's different is the people we usually question are not the children of the sitting president. so it's the nepotism part of this as well as the conflict of interest that is really rubbing people the wrong way. >> and it go as step -- jimmy carter wanted jody powell. but there's a difference. >> and it is the nepotism piece and one of the things i was talking about. this is a managerial issue. when you call the white house switchboard, you don't get through because they don't have numbers for all the people on staff. they don't have their voice mail set up. we're 70 days into this

administration. a lot of people who watch the apprentice, i said why did you like trump so much? and they said i feel like i know him. i know he'll make good decisions when he has to make tough decisions. you're watching the presidency imitating reality television and it's not just the fact it's nepotism and so far, less than three months in, we're not seeing someone who built a brand of a great executive and great manager showing he has the knowledge and ability to manage something. >> how much infrastructure is there to ivanka's business? if we ever see her dad's tax returns, we may indeed see how small a nuclear there is at his company. what would we see at ivanka's company? >> so much overlap in trump organization. if you pull the documents of her businesses from the state of

delaware, secretary of states in new york, you'll see trump organization lawyers and staff are signing these documents. there's so much overlap and to her credit she's figured out a way to leverage her name and license it and has her own employees at this point but has rilied heavily on the trump administration infrastructure. she's in trump tower. so there's a lot of overlap is there. >> andance laerl this is turning out to be an era for journalism. and thanks for two more journalists for joining us here tonight. up next, tone and tenner. presidential historian and author is coming here as donald trump faces another new low in polling when the 11th hour continues.

the drums say we're back. we were going to do a whole introduction but we have wanted to have this woman in the studio with us for so long and we have so many questions for presidential historian and author. we're going to get to it. great to see you again and welcome. the last time i invoked your name was this day last week when health care went down, the president gave a statement from that desk in that oval office. as i said at the time, a room and a venue that's been used to extoll us so many times. think about the fdr years which you've chronicled, the johnson years but his tone was so dark talking about the inevitable collapse, not promising great things for american people and i'm wondering how it struck you. >> the most important thing the president does is to set an

example and a tenner and a demeanor and most of the presidents through the worst of times have believed america and the experiment we are and that's a scary thing right now because we want our president to do well, whoever it is. >> how does he change? how does he pivot and use that room for good, use that room to cujoel and export? >> here's the interesting thing. most of our presidents -- somebody said do you have the right temperament to be president and he said i have the best temperament, of course i always win. now he's had a failure. will he learn from it? leaders have come through adversity and come out stronger through the other end. whether it was lincoln through bull run. he stayed up all night and

writes a memo figuring out what went wrong and i'd like to believe i'm smarter today than yesterday. will he learn from shaking the oxygen out of the room? will he learn about priorities? will he learn about the order in which heoes things? that's going to be the real question. >> i thought about you tonight when we learned the president had in effect hired his daughter to work in the west wing. i was thinking about how fdr leaned on his son literally and figuratively. not quite the same but it was a comfort level decision to have family members there. >> not only did he lean on jimmy roosevelt, his son but when he was walking somewhere, he couldn't walk on his own power and his daughter, ana roosevelt is in some ways a parallel to ivanka because she lived in the white house. she was eleanor roosevelt when eleanor was away.

not a formal role but she was an advisor to him. >> i've never been above a shameless plug and you took the last great book title in no ordinary time. i know they are the words of eleanor roosevelt but we must use that around here once a week. there's no other way to describe this other than no ordinary time. >> people come to me tell me are we going to be okay. and i told a woman don't worry it was worse in the 1850s and described the countries suseeding and the states and she said but that didn't turn out well. so i went back to the turn of the century and teddy roosevelt came along and was able to take all that anxiety and fear and channel it into rational action. we need that leadership right now. >> what do we do about the destruction of instugzs that there's no question we're seeing and hearing?

the federal judiciary and the media. it's odd that his sister is a federal judge and. >> for 14 years we came to know him throh this building and media. >> democracy depends absolutely on the prisz. this is the most scary part right now. they may say something privately and nixon probably said things publicly in the tough times but to call them the enemy of the people is never quite seen this way. and that's what teddy roosevelt and franklin roosevelt understood. they may be pain said in the neck but they're your partners. >> what would your advice be to people who may have supported this candidate and may be getting a first initial weary feeling. we're looking at a president at

35% approval rating in today's gallop track poll. >> hope he's going to surround himself with people who are going to give him better advice. remember chip o'neale said whoever brought you to the dance, you got to dance for them. they voted from him in two reasons. the hope for jobs, the dignity of restored economy. infrastructure should have been where he went to first. and then maybe tax reform. you can get democrats and republicans together. and it's not too late. stwree hope that the congress works together. but by going to the muslim ban and the wall, he lost those people that really cared about him doing something and they deserve to have a president looking after their interest. he can still do it. let's hope he can. >> and the investigation into russia and we already know an

incredible distraction to every day life and all other initiatives in this white house. >> i think the problem is that everything's been a distraction so far. russia has been the major one and he's mar made his own by tweeting. remember the joint sessions of congress speech and a few days later we're talking about being wire tapped. you're not setting the agenda. the most important thing a president does is use the bully pulpit. he hadsant been age to do that. because of his own negative emotions going into the air. but you may know things he i don't. this is an incredible thing that was said.

>> i call that normalization. is that worrisome to you? >> absolutely. demeanor, bearing, words matter. we're forgetting the fact that words at the top matter because they filter down. even during the campaign what was so scary that yuj kids are hearing words they should nlt be hearing or thinking. we can't allow our selves to get used to it. >> we have one more question for you. we're going to get to that. the news today that can be divided really into the four b's. four letter b's and how one of them involves a presidential historian when the 11th hour continues.

welcome back. to some of the other news of this day, four stories that nicely fall into the category as we mentioned of the four bs. the first of them, brexit, a process that started officially

today in what the "new york times" called one of the most consequentual since world war ii. divorcing from the eu will take up to two years. scotland may opt to break away from the uk to stay with the eu. prime minister may said she was acting on the will of the british people. second b is for bridge gate. two principles in that case were sentenced. bridget kelly, a mother of four children and author of time for some traffic problems in fort lee e-mail was sentenced to 18 months in prison. they are as close as the case got to governor chris christie who from the start has denied involvement. today he was named chair of the president's new commission on drug addiction. the third b is for the border wall. trump's new secretary of the interior admitted it will be complex.

he said today the border is complicated as far as building a physical wall. it happens to run 2,000 miles with hundreds of species living either side of it the way like threatened wolves and jaguars and the rio grande which we should not forget is a tough river to wall off. the fourth b, the reason we ask doris goodwin to stick around. that is baseball. the president has turned down invitation to throw out first ball at washington nationals homeowner, unofficial presidential tradition. i should make very clear you know jimmy carter didn't do this. it has been done off and on since 1910. my friend chuck todd crunched the numbers. he found that in the district of columbia 12,700 people roughly voted for donald trump. that is the total vote for trump.

he points out that the average attendance at a ball game there is 30,000. so he asks why would the president head into a hot bed of booing? >> i can understand that that is possibly a reason why he might not do it although it is a ritual ever since taft when he threw out the first ball and ronald reagan came to the mound. i think they all look pretty awkward and maybe he is afraid i might not reach the plate. >> 6'06" sounds manageable until you look at home plate from the mound. it has been a symbol of george w. bush after 9/11 of great hope and renewal and things were back to the familiar and going to be okay. >> something about baseball and spring being renewal and maybe had he done it and gone to the pit where there may not be a lot of people waiting for him would have been a sign here i am

president and i will do this. >> the number we talked about in the last segment, that 35%, does that in and of itself worry you with a president who seems to be messaging to those committed 35%? >> i think he should be messaging to them even more in a certain sense. that is what i was saying earlier. i think it is important for him to message to the hopes that they had and not to anxieties and fears, economy, jobs. think of ronald reagan like a laser beam he went after the economy because he knew that is what he promised. every president makes promises. you got to figure out which ones matter and what your priorities are. most of the promises that really matter to those people that voted for him also matter to the rest of the country. good economy, good jobs, perhaps infrastructure. we need infrastructure. i just don't understand why that is not his laser beam. these other things are distracting him and the rest of us.

>> this one is on me. the 20-year anniversary of doris's book "wait till next year" growing up and loving baseball. there is a lot of boston mentions in that book. people who do not like the red sox should be wary. >> and the brooklyn dodgers. >> thank you for coming. >> so glad to be with you. something jimmy kimmel noticed about the president that we want to share with you as the 11th hour continues.

last thing involves tip of the hat to our friends at jimmy kimmel live where they employ a small army of young people who work in the dark and watch television all day. one of them discovered something about the president. when he sits down wherever he is he has to move what's in front of him. here is what they found along with their audience reaction. >>hank you very much for being here. a ton of great meetings. the airline industry. >> i want to save that. >> thank you all very much. >> ceo of general motors. >> thank you.

>> in charge of health care decisions that lower costs for families. >> as jimmy put it perhaps more of a moov than a shaker. thank you for being here with us. good night from new york.

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