marie callender's it's time to savor hello, i'm sheinelle jones in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it's high noon in the east, 9:00 out west. it's day 72 of president trump's presidency. here's what's happening. $740 million, new numbers attached to ivanka trump and her husband. the ethics questions being raised given their white house roles. the top democrat on the house intelligence committee meeting face to face with the president to talk about the russia investigation. plus, more members of congress holding town halls and getting an earful. >> i want to know as far as russia, i want to know what is going on. i want to know about the contacts. >> speaker ryan made a major mistake. health care is something that is very important, it's very personal, it's very complex. i'm glad that the freedom caucus seems to be the voice of

conscience in this whole debate. >> we begin with new reaction to the fallout over trump former national security advisor mike flynn offering to testify in exchange for immunity. that's a development in the russia investigation taking senator lindsey graham by surprise. here's what he said at a town hall earlier. >> as to flynn, i really didn't see this one coming. you know, flynn said himself if you want immunity, you must be guilty. i've been a lawyer for a long time, and actually you can want immunity and maybe not be guilty, but in his case, he's requested immunity and i don't know if anybody will take him up on it. >> here's how roger stone, one of president trump's former campaign advisers responded when asked about flynn on "realtime with bill maher" last night. >> what is the story? what do you think his story is?

>> i have no idea. i'm not asking for immunity. i was maligned by a number of the members of the committee who said things that were patently false and in a free society i should have a chance to respond in the same forum. >> of course. no one would disagree with that. >> and i don't need a subpoena, i don't need immunity, but i want it to be in public, not behind closed doors. meanwhile nancy pelosi this morning taking a shot at both donald trump and house speaker paul ryan for their attempt to repeal the affordable care act. here's what she told my colleague, joy reid, a little earlier. >> it was amateur hour, it was a rookie error on the part of the president. maybe he'll be a rookie forever. but for the moment because of their meanness, their mean streak, they wanted to have this bill taken up on the very day that president obama signed it into law. and they weren't even ready. and the power of the speaker is the power of the schedule. now, you schedule when you're ready, not when you think you

have some mean date that you have -- and when they decided to have that date, i knew they empowered us. >> also new today, new financial disclosures concerning the trump administration have just been released. so just how much are ivanka trump and her husband, jared kushner, reportedly worth? let's go to kelly o'donnell at the white house. kelly, what are we learning in these filings and what dyo make of the timing here? >> reporter: this itandard business for any white house, but what makes it really stand out is the wealth of those associated with the trump administration. so the government rules require that people serving in these kinds of positions, and we're talking about a couple hundred people that have to submit these forms. it's everything from your bank accounts to your investments, any businesses you might own as well as for your spouse. so, again, because of the trump sort of wealth magnet of the types of people he's brought into the administration, it's more eye-popping than we're accustomed to seeing. so for jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, who is a part of his own family real

estate empire and his wife, ivanka trump, both now holding positions in the white house, together their wealth is estimated at about $740 million. that's not cash in a bank account, that's the sort of value of a lot of the real estate assets that they have. both have been involved with dozens of companies. they have taken themselves out of the management role while they're here at the white house, but they still remain beneficiaries from the value of a number of those companies. and for ivanka trump in particular, the hotel that is in washington, d.c., that she and her father and her husband and others have visited for dinner on a couple of weekend nights, she has a piece of that ownership of the trump international hotel washington, and hers is valued at about $5 to $25 million. over the course of the last year or so, it produced about a million of income to ivanka trump. so very complex paperwork filed by their lawyers and their accountants. it really gives you a window into the sort of financial

holdings they have. and it's not just jared and ivanka, it is also all the top officials from reince priebus to kellyanne conway, all the people that we have come to learn about through the early months of the trump administration. part of the intent is that government ethics require sort of the sunshine of exposing this and to try to avoid business conflicts, whi have certainly been raised in the era of trump. now, the president himself is looking ahead to the week of judge gorsuch, which in the senate is going to be quite a fight. you would expect that based on history, there would be a perhaps smoother landing toward confirmation. not this time. democrats are saying they will filibuster and try to block the confirmation of judge gorsuch. mitch mcconnell, the majority leader, says it's going to happen one way or another. rules change or some kind of arm twisting by the end of the week. here's how the president made a pitch for the judge in his weekly address.

>> in recent years, we've seen more and more judges make decisions not based on the constitution or the rule of law, but based on their preferences, their personal views or even their political opinions. judge gorsuch is going to serve our people by devoting himself to our beloved constitution. the senate saw this firsthand in hours of judge gorsuch's impressive testimony. >> reporter: and so this will be a very big week for the white house. many conservatives believe that in choosing judge gorsuch that the president answered many of those who had followed this issue of the supreme court during the campaign season, choosing someone that conservatives like, but that's part of why democrats are so determined to try to use their power in the senate to block this. so that's something definitely to watch for the week ahead. >> that is for sure. kelly o'donnell, thank you, kelly. let's go to another hot topic. today devin nunes is standing by

his handling of the russia investigation, even as top democrats call for his recusal. >> i held a press conference and said here's what i found, it has nothing to do with russia. i'm going to go over to the white house now and brief the president. so that's not sneaking around, that's not hiding from anyone, that's being very transparent. i would say maybe too transparent in this case. because i coulde just snuck over to the white house and went in quietly and told the president and nobody would have known about this, but i thought it was best that the american people know. >> let's bring in hugh hewitt, host of the hugh hewitt show and an msnbc political analyst. good afternoon to you. >> hi, good morning. i'm in california. good to talk to you. >> there you go. good morning to you. hugh, let me get your take. is that really the reason nunes in your opinion is attracting so much criticism because he was, quote, too transparent? >> no, i think devin nunes is being attacked because he's a republican by democrats who want to create a lot of dust in the air and confuse people about russia.

adam schiff went to the white house yesterday and saw the same documents devin nunes is. the media needs to ask adam schiff not whether different procedures in his opinion should have been followed but whether he saw anything that surprised him, gave him concern, and if broadly disseminated throughout the government, as evelyn farkas suggested it was, whether or not he would be concerned about that. nunes made one big mistake. he told eli lake, who is one of the town's pre'eminent national security reporters that a whistleblower was his source. that wasn't true. but right now it's all about politics. >> to be fair, you mentioned adam schiff. schiff said one thing is very clear, there was no legitimate justification for bringing that information to the white house instead of the committee. isn't that there? he said it was also the fact that it was obtained from the white house makes the departure a little more concerning. the fact that he does it to the white house instead of the

committee, that is a valid concern. >> i really don't think so. i think adam is a very good politician -- >> why not take it to your folks? some people thought it -- >> you can. you can eventually take it anywhere. there is no set of rules that says devin nun as chairman doesn't get to see the president. adam invented those rules in his own head. he's reimagining his authority as ranking member in the house of a minority committee. and i know what the republicans are doing, they're pushing back and saying, guess what, adam, you're in the minority. we've won the last four elections. nancy pelosi took you from the majority to a 54 -- 46-person minority right now. and you don't get to make the rules. so if devin nunes wants to take what he saw to the president, he can. but by the way, we'll show it to you, adam. and adam came and looked at it. now we ought to ask schiff what did you see in those documents? were you surprised by what you saw? are you troubled by what you saw. >> whether something is right or wrong or regardless of his

intention, what about just the optics of it? and then i think a lot of people are concerned because it seemed like he walked back on his claim that the president was monitored. obviously if people smell suspicion -- >> the president was not wiretapped. the president was not wiretapped and we ought to be very clear about that. the russia investigation has three silos. what did russia do to us, that's the most important silo. what members of the trump circle were wrongfully associated with russia, and that's focused on manafort and, as we saw in the last hour, maybe roger stone, maybe michael flynn, maybe some others. then we have to ask what the obama people did with information that ought to be close. did they spray it all over town and hope it got leaked. three silos. >> nunes got the reports on the incidents surveillance with the help of two white house staffers. what do you make about that. does that sound like white house interference or a leak? >> it sounds like white house --

a very good smart group of obama officials laid some land mines for the incoming trump team. i don't know, and i don't know that anyone except the fbi knows yet, whether anyone violated the law except the person who leaked the michael flynn transcript. that was a felony. we do have to find out if evelyn farkas, she was hearing gossip and i don't think we should make too much of it. the bread crumb trail leads back to what did the obama people do in order to set a time bomb on russia for the trump people? and that's where i go back to adam schiff. we should ask him what did you see? does it trouble you? and did you see any indication that it was spread around? and if it was spread around, would that concern you? because he wants to focus on process. and the media wants to focus on process. whenever they do, they're missing the bigger story. the biggest story of all is what can russia do to us next? >> do you buy the rumblings that

there are people in the previous administration who were concerned that there was information that would be buried or perhaps never come to light if they didn't take certain steps? >> that's the farkas allegation. and i think if they gave it to the fbi with a pointer on it, that's fine. that's what you're supposed to do do. if they gave it to congressional staff members and urged them to leak it out, that's very bad. mark warner this week said the very important week. he thinks they found a thousand russian trolls creating fake news at a building site in russia that floods our zone with fake news. the original fake news was orson wells was the war of the worlds broadcast. we have to be looking forward good what the russians are going to do to us next and learn about that by looking at the illegal interference that they did with our election, not on who went to the white house when. there's a big story here. i'm afraid we're not focusing on it because democrats want to try to bleed trump a little bit. i get that. >> so you don't see any thread

of validity in the concerns here, come on? >> i think there's politics all around. i'm very concerned about the russians. i've been concerned about the russians since i worked for richard nixon and his retirement in 1978. they are bad guys. they are not our friends. they kill people abroad. they will do what they can do and they will mess with us as much as they can. so i'm very concerned that we not allow american politics to an secure the lens that we ought to be looking through, which is what is russia up to and what are they going to do to us next, whether it's to donald trump or hillary clinton or candidates four, eight, 12 years from now. they are developing a cyber capacity that is robust and very dangerous. >> let me squeeze in one more topic. yesterday congresswoman jackie spear offered one theory and why the justice department might want to give michael flynn immunity. take a listen to this. >> it would be granted by the department of justice if and only if it provided a bigger fish in terms of dotting the is and crossing the ts and getting

to someone who is more critical in terms of violating the law. >> i want to just interrupt for a moment, congresswoman. you say a bigger fish. he was the national security advisor to the president of the united states. there aren't a whole lot of bigger fish out there, clearly the president is a bigger fish. >> that's right. >> what do you think, hugh, that that's a possibility that the president is the real target here? >> it's wildly speculative. i won't engage in it because while general flynn has problems and he can ask for immunity and lots of immunities are given to people under investigation for exactly the congresswoman said, i want to remain responsible. there is no predicate for believing there is any investigation into the president or anyone in the white house. but i've said many, many times the president ought to call a press conference with comey and address with the director of the fbi this very question. mr. director, is there anyone in my white house that needs to be fired because they're under active investigation? reince priebus told me on my radio show this week that there

is no one, nothing to the russia story, zero. but i expect democrats to keep doing democrat things because they keep losing governorships, senate, house. they have got to try something different because as the obamacare death spiral accelerates -- >> don't do that. don't use that death spiral word because i'll have people screaming at the tv. >> oh, it's true, though. it's true. >> i've got to stop. hugh hewitt, thank you for your time this morning. still ahead, a trump biographer compares what he sees now from candidate trump 2016. is he surprised by the controversies or did he anticipate what many say is a bumpy start? some answers coming up. wondering, what if? i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more

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democrats want an independent commission. they don't want this to be investigated by members of congress or the senate, they want an independent commission which is basically code word for just something that lasts a long time and they can continue to make political hay of it. >> that was house intel chairman devin nunes in reaction to growing calls for him to step down from leading the russia investigation. joining me now is eliza collins and jeremy peters, msnbc contributor and reporter for "the new york times." good morning or good afternoon, depending on where you are. good afternoon for you guys. >> good afternoon. >> eliza, you take a comment like that from chairman nunes, what do you think is happening behind the scenes with the house intel committee? >> i think he's trying to capitalize on the fact that the democrats are frustrated and he's trying to say, look, it's all political and has nothing to do with what's going on in the investigation but the truth is it isn't just -- >> eliza, i'm sorry, we're losing your microphone. we're going to try to adjust

that a little bit but, jeremy, i'll let you weigh in and where do they go from here now that congressman schiff saw those documents and he said there was nothing that warranted a departure from the normal review procedures? >> well, that's exactly the problem is the democrats are not empowered with a lot of authority here. they are going to continue to call for this independent investigation and likely get nowhere unless there's some further revelation that nunes acted inappropriately. it's impossible to tell whether or not something like that could happen further on down the road. but i don't see this going to an independent commission at this point. i think the best hope you have for something that is quasi-independent is what's happening over in the senate and that's where you have the senate intelligence committee looking into something similar. this is going to drag on for two years and who knows where it's going to go but i think it's going to continue to be a major distraction for this white house on top of the all of the other issues that you have in washington.

you have a budget fight that's about to happen. you have the fight over health care, the fight over infrastructure and tax reform. these are not easy things to do, by any stretch of the imagination. >> and speaking of things that are not easy to do, let's talk about mike flynn. congresswoman jackie spear who sits on the intel committee said that he would have to offer up a big fish, like president trump, in order to be granted immunity. do we know what's holding the congressional committees and the justice department back from discussing an immunity deal? are you hearing anything? >> i think it's too early to tell at this point. you know, what flynn did there was probably encouraged by his lawyer. this is just kind of smart, good lawyering. you want to make sure that you cross all your ts and dot all your is in a situation like this. it is telling that both of the committees are saying at this point, no, we're not ready to talk about that yet. it is still very early in the process. and he may not -- just not have

what they're looking for. >> so then, eliza, how does the white house let's just say get ahead of this and other controversies so it's not so consuming? >> well, i'm not really sure how they get ahead of it but they definitely don't do what the president is doing now, which is going on a tweet storm. he went on this morning. why aren't they looking at the obama surveillance which has not been proven and that's what this whole nunes is trying to bring up. but calling attention to something that even republicans, even devin nunes has said, you know, there was surveillance but it looks like it was legal, just inappropriate. i don't think going and pulling that back up and reminding people about it is a very effective way. >> fair enough. elias eliza, i want to turn to the 2018 race and talk about a piece i saw you tweeting b one of your former colleagues writing about republicans in georgia trying to prevent a special election disaster for a congressional seat to replace hhs secretary tom price. how big of a threat is this, and

is it a referendum on trump? >> i think it's a little confusing because this special election has a unique set of rules. it's not like if there is one election that he would win outright. the top candidates go into like a special second round. he looks like he could get above 50%, which would mean they wouldn't need to go into that second round because the gop party is so fractured. i think that goes back, you know, to president trump, like you just said. his record low approval ratings and his own party is questioning and then the party is really fractured right now. he's attacking conservatives. so in a race like this, there's a super fractured field and votes are going to go all different ways. i don't think that looks good. this is a reliably republican seat. the fact that there's even concern that a democrat could win isn't boding well for republicans. >> jeremy, as we look ahead to the senate voting on neil gorsuch next week, senator claire mccaskill says she's

joining the filibuster efforts. senator manchin is voting for him. do democrats have no choice but to vote against gorsuch as a matter of principle? >> no, they do have a choice and this is what's so puzzling about this whole process here is it seems when you talk to democrats privately, there's this frustration that the pressure from their base to filibuster is incredible short-sighted. let's just play out a scenario here. so donald trump gets -- sees that the democrats are trying to block his supreme court nominee, a nominee who by all accounts has, you know, a solid set of qualifications, has done very well in his confirmation hearings. so the democrats basically try to thwart trump there. gets him very angry. so the next time when there is a supreme court vacancy, what does trump do? he says, okay, i've had it with you guys, i'm going to nominate whoever i want. and that could be someone like ted cruz. it could be somebody real far to the right.

because the democrats will have pulled the nuclear trigger this time, they won't have the option to resist as forcefully and as effectively as they would had they not wasted this bullet. so it's kind of a -- i understand it and there is this pressure there to resist at all costs at the moment, but you don't know if you're a democrat what the political situation is going to look like when the next vacancy occurs, and that saudi arabia -- vacancy could end up altering the court. in this place it's just replacing gorsuch for scalia. >> you can't write the way it's playing out. jeremy, i look forward to talking to you in a couple of weeks and see where this shuffles out. thank you both for your time this afternoon. >> thank you. what the russia investigation looks like from the inside, and what happens next? i'll ask a congressman who sits on the intelligence committee and get his take in just a few minutes.

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welcome back. i'm sheinelle jones here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. at the half hour here's what we're monitoring. in south carolina, senator lindsey graham just wrapped up a town hall meeting in north charleston voicing yet another boisterous crowd. vaughn hilliard is also there. vaughn, what topics fired up his constituents this time? >> reporter: sheinelle, we'll touch on russia which is at least half of the town hall here in charleston, south carolina, took place. we'll get to that in a moment but lindsey graham has suddenly become mr. town hall. he's one of the few republicans that has held his town hall and this his third in just the last month. he touched on the supreme court. and to remind you, lindsey graham has been one of the fiercest critics of donald trump

and along with john mccain perhaps the fiercest critic of the trump administration. but when it comes to the supreme court, we'll play you a sound bite of what he told the crowd which got a lot of red signs held up in the air and a lot of people fired up. >> to the democratic members of the senate who want to filibuster this guy, you're taking the senate down a very dangerous path. don't do it. so i will vote to report him out. and if i have to, i will vote to change the rules because i'm not going to allow president trump to be denied the same opportunity that every president has had for 200 years because you're mad and you can't accept the outcome of an election. >> what you just heard is republican its need eight democrats to agree to not filibuster the confirmation process of neil gorsuch but

ultimately only have two at this point in time. what lindsey graham was saying to the crowd is that he was willing to change senate rules to break the filibuster so republicans would only need a simple majority to move that process along. now, russia, sheinelle, was really the fire point here. if you actually look at what the audience was, they were pretty content with what lindsey graham was saying. he's pressing that there needs to be these investigations by the fbi, by the senate and the house. we'll play you a sound bite here. this is a very democratic crowd and anti-trump crowd but there were a few republicans. i'll play you a response from one of the gentlemen and what he said about the russia investigations. >> they keep them busy, occupied. >> so you don't think there's any legitimacy to these stories? >> no, no. not trump involved in any russian deal, no. they have already investigated. >> reporter: so while you see the fireworks here in charleston, i was in west virginia just yesterday, an old

coal mining town. for a lot of republicans, particularly trump supporters, they're still pushing aside the idea of russian interference in the election and pushing aside of what trump and his administration are trying to do. this is lindsey graham and perhaps he's pushing back against that gentleman. he said here particularly the flynn situation has become weirder by the day. they need to further investigate paul manafort, his business ties to russia. he said that this is -- all we can do here is that there's a french and german elections that are coming up. if the u.s. election was tampered with last november, the most the united states can do to determine is the extent to which the russian government interfered in our election before similar situations take place in europe. >> able to juggle several topics there. vaughn hilliard, thank you for your reporting this afternoon.

as you heard, the russia investigation is definitely on the minds of voters and lawmakers really on both sides of the aisle. for more reaction let's bring in congressman mike quigley, a democrat from illinois who serves on the house intelligence committee. good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon. thanks for having me on. >> the house intelligence committee not yet taking up the offer of mike flynn's testimony in exchange for immunity. one of the thoughts is the committee will decide on that if and when it could yield a bigger fish. so people hear a bigger fish and some would assume the vice president or the president. is there anything more to this than wild speculation? >> well, look, i understand he's asked for immunity. let's understand what's involved with that. we have to appreciate and work with the justice department and their investigation. we have to work with our senate colleagues. immunity involves looking at the proffer. what is he arguing that he's going to say? we haven't even gotten the documents as to his background

investigation. so there's a whole lot of information that even if we were of a mind to do this that we would need before we would go forward. of course i think there would absolutely have to be cooperation with the justice department and our senate colleagues. >> you've called for, i want to tackle another topic. you've called for house intel committee chairman devin nunes to step down but listen to what he said about the appearance of impropriety and we'll talk. >> someone has to do it. i'm sure that all the republicans in congress voted for president trump. all the democrats voted for hillary clinton. i mean that's just how it is. at the end of the day, we're accountable to our voters. and like i said, this whole issue that we briefed the president on, that i briefed the president on had nothing to do with russia. >> so obviously there's no sign he will step down. how does this committee move forward in light of all of this? >> we start work monday. i think the only way to go forward is to try to restart this. let's reschedule that public hearing, which would have

included miss yates, mr. brennan and dni clapper. the first public hearing was extraordinarily important, helped frame the entire investigation. let's bring back those two gentlemen for a closed hearing. we have a lot of daupts ocument review, we have witness lists to prepare. i'd like to think there would be better increased coordination with our senate colleagues and their investigation. there is a lot of work to do. let's just move forward. >> i want to get your take on a new nbc news report that confirms efforts by the obama administration to catalog and preserve intelligence for fear that it would be buried by the incoming trump administration. republicans and conservative media are call this an improper campaign to leak info and smear the administration. what's your thought on it? >> all i know is the rumors that have been spread about what was collected at the white house, what the chairman had seen and not disclosed to anybody else. so at this point in time let's just remember what probably

happened to begin the rumors about president obama wiretapping trump tower was the current president read something on breitbart, tweeted about it and now we're going to be paying for that. this is a two-pronged campaign of obstruction and distraction. again, we've got to get back to work. we have to follow the facts wherever they lead us. the american public has an absolute right to know what took place here. i have no idea what they're talking about in this latest round. but if it's anything like the first three or four swings at it, it hasn't worked. >> you mentioned the white house. you've said it's clear the white house doesn't want to move forward on this investigation an then after a hearing was cancelled this week, sean spicer said this yesterday. take a listen. >> if you actually stop for a second and realize what the president is doing, it's that he's saying do whatever you have to do to go up to make it clear what happened, take whatever precaution you want or however your legal counsel advises you. here you have a president who is

telling mike flynn and others to go up there, make sure -- in fact we talked about it with members of the administration have volunteered. this is not an administration that isn't doing everything it can to get to the bottom of this. >> what do you say to that? >> then you don't make crazy allegations about wiretapping in trump tower, you don't cancel a public hearing, you don't have a midnight excursion, you don't discourage or try to stop miss yates from testifying. you tell everybody publicly, openly, everybody in your administration is going to cooperate with this investigation on the house, senate and justice department level. that's what you do. make it pretty clear that that's what your intention is. at this point in time, the latest we've heard is the reaction to general flynn's request for immunity. we go back, though, to the convention and we find candidate trump and general flynn saying the same thing.

that if you're asking for immunity, you must be guilty. while i disagree with that, i find it -- folks have asked me, is that ironic that they said that then? and that general flynn is seeking that immunity now? i say, no, it's not ironic, it's karma. >> you know what, i have to leave it there. congressman mike quickly, thank you for talking with me this afternoon. >> thank you. a trump biographer weighs in on the first 72 days of the administration. were there any clues he saw on the campaign trail that could have foreshadowed everything that's unfolded so far? and in the next hour, the warning to america's sanctuary cities, comply or else. a leading pro opponent of a sanctuary crackdown joins me.

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now a former staffer's request for immunity in exchange for his testimony. joining me is mark fisher, the co-author of "trump revealed." the biography of the 45th president. good afternoon to you. >> good to be with you. >> could you have ever imagined hi first term could start off like this? >> it's pretty predictable. all the major themes we covered as we looked at his life are coming to fruition in this presidency. we're seeing everything from his lack of attention to detail, which this is a consistent theme throughout donald trump's career and life. he thinks of himself as the master marketer, and he leaves the details, the operations to other people. we see the results of that so far in this presidency. similarly when he fails, whether it's with the health care bill or with the travel ban, he washes that aside, moves on, pretends as if it never happened. but always remembers who his enemies are and keeps a catalog

of his enemies and comes back at them. he has a mantra that says that if he's hit, he hits back 100 times harder. that's been a by word of his career. so we see the same kinds of behavior we've seen throughout his life. >> mark, on that note, president trump himself started one of the controversies by claiming that president obama wiretapped trump tower. he's not backing down from those claims. why does this seem so personal to him? >> well, he's never backed down. and so he's always believed that you put stuff out there, you see if it works. if it doesn't work, you pretend it never happened. one way of thinking about donald trump is, there's really no past tense and often no future tense in donald trump's life. it's all about the now. and so when things don't work or when he's accused of saying things that aren't true, he sloughs that off and barely even remembers that it happened. many times when we were talking with him about incidents from his past, he would say why are

you bringing that up, no one cares about that. it's just as if it never happened to him. so he moves on. as we're seeing now with health care, he's on to the next thing, whatever that may be, whether it's tax reform or some other policy. he's someone who holds grudges but doesn't look back. >> let me ask you about the russian meddling investigation and mike flynn's request for immunity in exchange for his testimony. take a look at this tweet from the president. mike flynn should ask for immunity in that this is a witch hunt. sean spicer later said the president meant he wants flynn to testify. how do you think the president is really feeling about all of this? when he goes to bed at night, you know, there's got to be some honesty at least within himself or is there, what do you think? >> i don't know if honesty is the right word, but he's certainly bothered by it. we see this in some of the peevish comments he makes and some of his body language in recent days. he doesn't like that these distractions are occurring,

taking him away from what he sees as the script and what he sees as himself delivering on his promises. he was quick to move flynn out, as we saw, but then he kind of denied that there was even a problem with flynn. that's classic trump. get rid of the person who causes the problem in his view and then pretend as if it never happened. so we saw that with flynn. we'll probably see it again and again as he moves through people. he's very accustomed to working with a tiny group of people around him. when they're loyal to him, he's loyal to them. when they're not or causing him problems, he's quick to jettison them. >> i have to wrap but is this sustainable? is this how it's going to be for all of us? >> he's done it for half a century. it's shocking and new to the american people, but he is quite consistent in his behavior and always has been. >> "washington post" senior editor, mark fisher, thank you for your time. oh, to be a fly on the wall. what we know after the top

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house intel chair devin nunes on the defensive today as he faces calls to recuse himself from the high-profile investigation into the trump campaign's alleged russian ties. among those pushing for nunes to step down, his own colleagues on the committee. >> a called for his recusal. it was hard for us to do because until last week he'd been pretty constructive. we had worked on witness lists together. he had said no for nothing. the second open hearing which was supposed to be last week got cancelled. why do you go to the white house, take information from the white house and then take it to the president? >> let's bring in republican strategist noel and peter emerson who's worked for three democratic administrations. why don't we pick up on that. why would nunes as congressman

himes says get the information from the white house and then go to the president? >> well, he was transparent about it. and this is what i do not understand. i don't understand why, an i'm sure you're going to let me know why, but i don't understand why the democrats are so concerned with the process of this rather than the guts of it, rather than what's been found. that i do not understand. >> what do you think, peter? >> i don't know the answer to why he did what he did. i think he's a puppet now whose strings are being slowly cut. he seems to be in the wind. but to noelle's point, the process is important. we have so many contacts. in 2014 donald trump tweeted about putin, how nice it had been to meet him and how nice putin had been to him. so we have all these pathways into this white house and donald trump. so the process is extremely important, particularly under the rules of law that we have in

this country. >> so now you have nunes second in command, we've been talking about adam schiff went to the white house and saw these intelligence reports on this incidental surveillance of the trump team. obviously this is speculation. you know how the white house works. how do you imagine that meeting went? what would you say? i mean is it just one of those -- i can't even imagine. do you say, oh, to be a fly on the wall? >> well, it's all such multi-layered chess and absurdity that it's very hard to decide how they even came up with this had why. it's almost as if they're compounding the problem on a daily basis. whether it's flynn, whether it's paul manafort, whether it's roger stone, i think we're ultimately moving towards probably a preemptive pardon. >> don't you think that a lot of americans, general, unless -- don't you think the average americans are very confused. >> 100%. >> i'm not talking about ding dongs, i'm talking about college

educated men and women working in the city that are turning this on going i am now -- i am very confused on russia and flynn and nunes and trump and obama. where is obama? why doesn't obama -- instead of being so silent, please, obama is living in d.c. say something about this. >> we're in a place where the word facts and truth are all murky all of a sudden. you mentioned mike flynn. i want to play a clip from senator lindsey graham presided over a rowdy town hall today in his home state of south carolina and the topic of mike flynn came up so let's listen to what he had to say and then we'll talk about it. >> okay, let's look at flynn. working for turkey. i don't know how they missed that. so that's something we'll look at, right? and manafort, let's take a look at him.

let's see what kind of business dealings he had. >> and see, this is where it kind of shakes up a little bit because as we said, republicans say this, democrats say this, and then you have lindsey graham shaking up the pot a little bit. i mean are you going to see some republicans say wait a minute? >> yes, and god bless lindsey graham. first in the largest issue is that the house of representatives and the senate are very different when it comes to matters such as this. and the founders of our country set it up specifically that way. it's very clear and has been for some time that people like john mccain, lindsey graham, put national security above partisan politics. i may disagree with a lot of their policies and their issues, but it's very clear now that if this bipartisanship about the process, about getting to the facts, holds true, the senate is going to be the ultimate decider and is going to provide the american people with the truth. >> what do you guys make of this request for immunity, and there's this thought that if they do that it's because we're waiting to hear about a bigger

fish which would be the president or pence? >> i think it's standard procedure. if i were flynn's attorney, i'd say let's go ahead and get a blanket immunity. that's the first thing i would do is because everything is so volatile right now. >> so you don't think we should read into that? >> i really don't. >> noelle and i will agree on that for the moment but this thing is unraveling. there's a huge amount of smoke. we will see fire very soon. i have no doubt in my mind we will see indictments somewhere down the road. >> that's serious. >> i have to leave it there. thank you for your time. still ahead, why thousands of illegal immigrants could soon stop working or head home. to do the best for your pet, you should know more about the food you choose. with beyond, you have a natural pet food that goes beyond telling ingredients to showing where they come from. beyond assuming the source is safe...

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