president of the united states. it simply says, "for i know the plans i have for you, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." those words are words that americans throughout our history have clung to and i believe they are as true today as they were throughout our history. the people of ohio voted for our president with the strength, the courage and the vision to make america safe again. you voted to give us a new leader who will make america prosperous again and i believe with all my heart that, with your continued support and with god's help, together we will make america great again. thank you very much. thank you for being here today. god bless you all and god bless the united states of america. [ applause ] ♪

a familiar place for vice president mike pence, joined by senator rob portman as well as representative pat tiberi. this is an area close to columbus, ohio, there near osu, a place that was frequented by the trump campaign during the election, when they were on the campaign trail. he was there at dina lab at this electronics manufacturing services company with a crowd in front and in back. we've been watching it over the last 30 minutes or so. he talked about jobs. he talked about the failure to repeal obamacare. he did talk about repeal and replace with mixed reaction from the crowd. it appeared visibly as well as audibly. he reiterated the support for neil gorsuch and for the country

of that supreme court nominee to be confirmed by the senate. he was looking forward to this coming week. all of that happening as this rally does finish here, as we look at the coming week. upcoming testimony as early as monday on the russian connection question. the closed interviews that are related to the topic of the 2016 election, possible ties between trump associates and the russian government, also a new response from house intelligence committee chairman devin nunes on reports that are critical of his conduct to date. one of those responses that he gave, that three white house officials helped him view classified intelligence related to incidental surveillance of trump associates. this is what he said. >> you understand we're not going to get into sources and methods. but i can tell you that those reports are mostly wrong. >> mostly wrong?

>> yesterday, adam schiff viewed that very same intelligence and the congressman said nothing he saw warranted a departure from normal reviews and procedures. meanwhile, two congressional sources tell us the senate intelligence committee turned down national security adviser michael flynn's request for immunity. let's get the latest from nbc's kelly o'donnell at the white house for us. kelly, if we can, let's start with what we spent the last 30 minutes or so watching. that was the vice president on the road there in the midwest. a common stop, as i was mentioning, and some themes and a cadence that he's familiar with. this is comfortable space for him as he tries to redirect the message that is happening where you are, in the white house, in the beltway, trying to move away from the nunes questions that are out right now. your reflection and putting into context what the vice president is doing on this saturday going back to a familiar stop for the

trump administration. >> reporter: well, the vice president, richard, is trying to drive the agenda that is under the control of the trump administration, picking the topics and the issues they want to talk about when they are sort of caught in the swirl, as every administration is, of outside events that can suck up so much of the attention. in the case of this trump white house issues related to russia have been so much a part of the conversation. the president today here at the white house holding some meetings and making some calls, according to staffers, but he's also been using twitter to respond and to talk about things like surveillance and the russia stories, claiming that's fake news, even though there are definite investigations going on to look at russian interference in the 2016 election as well as any ties between associates of candidate trump and rush sa. for mike sense, it's a chance to talk about some of the things that they want to focus on and also to connect with voters who were a part of a state that put donald trump in the white house.

ohio being one of those key battlegrounds and it did go for donald trump, talking about small business as they're trying to look at things like changing the corporate tax rate, talking about regulation changes they are trying to do and acknowledging the big defeat over health care saying congress wasn't ready yet but also saying they're not quite done yet, that there are still perhaps other attempts that can happen to try to deal with the repeal of obamacare as the administration says it wants to do. and you pointed out, looking ahead to the week for neil goer gorsuch, the president's choice for the supreme court, this will be crucial. conservatives have liked that pick trying to slow it down and using the filibuster which has not been done before on a supreme court nominee. we don't have all of the votes in yet in public statements from democrats but definitely a very large number, about three dozen democrats publicly saying they

will not support gorsuch, even to get to the formal step of confirmation. so mike pence is the visible player this weekend trying to talk about the things that they care about most. >> very quickly while we've got you here, kelly, a space you know well and that's the hill, the senate intelligence committee, this coming week they are expected to have some 20 interviews related to the russian connection question. what are you hearing on that? >> reporter: well, 20 is the total number of individuals that they've identified that they want to speak to. they'll have the first batch coming this week. this is the investigative phase where they talk to people that they think might have some insight, some experience, some evidence, if you will, to present as they're piecing together their investigation. it's really a behind-the-scenes part of it but they are telling us what they are doing in an attempt to make it a bit more open, even though matters of the intelligence committee are

always quite secret. they begin that process and we are expecting to get additional updates as they adjust their approach and get more of their work under their belt. it's a big weebk for the committee. richard? >> thank you so much, kelly, on that. kelly o'donnell at the white house covering a lot of ground for us about that senate intelligence committee. it did hold its first open hearing on russian interference in the 2016 election. and here's what one former fbi special agent said during one of those testimonies. >> it's worked because the commander in chief has used active measures at times against his opponents. he denies the intel from the united states about russia. he claimed that the election could be rigged. that was the number one theme pushed all the way up until the election. >> joining me now is michael

mcfaul. ambassador, we've heard this now for the last 24 hours or so. what did you hear from that bit of testimony we just played? what do you take away from it? >> well, i think it was an important reminder to the american people about the russia piece of the russia scandal. for the last several weeks, we've been talking about relationships between the trump aides and what russia did. but let's be clear, russia intervened in our electoral process. they intervened, violated our sovereignty to influence our elections. both with the publication of the data that they stole and with the propaganda that was just being talked about. and i think americans have to wake up to that fact that we -- we were violated. we were attacked by russia and irrespective of what we learn about the ties with trump, we have to do something about that so it doesn't happen again. >> we'll be hearing more about what is being said during this senate intelligence committee discussions, interviews, as kelly o'donnell was telling us.

but what came away from what watts was saying there, he made the correlation or at least the statement that the semantics coming out were the same as coming out from russian-linked media organizations. he brought up r.t., sputnick news and others. >> that's right. i witnessed it in realtime. i have hundreds of -- tens and thousands of russian people on twitter as well as trump supporters. the messages were very clear. let's just be clear. when sputnick, a russian news agency tweets, #crookedhillary, that's a clear statement about who they want to win that election. >> probably when you saw it, when you still bring it up now saying can you believe it happened in 2016 and in 2017, you know, one of the statements that were made by watts, is he wanted them to follow the trail

of dead russians in their investigation. what did he mean? >> well, there have been a lot of strange deaths and different people dying during this period. i'm not prepared to say that there's a relationship between that and what happened during our 2016 elections. those connections are rather murky but it seems to me that it's at least plausible that we should investigate the possibility that the unveiling of what the russians did may have countered some kind of activity inside russia, including some of these mysterious deaths. >> flynn not getting the -- again, not getting immunity. the reporting is that he had requested it through his lawyer and the senate intel committee saying no as the nsa director and he not getting that, how essential or is it not essential at all to the progress of the investigations going forward? >> well, of course the investigations need to talk to general flynn.

everybody agrees about that. he's a critical witness because he was there during the campaign, during the transition and then for at least the first month of the administration. remember, general flynn has lots of problems, some not related to the russia story. and so he may be seeking immunity to protect himself from these other scandals, including working for the turkish government. but i think they've made the right conclusion that it's premature to give him that. again, i'm not an expert on these lawyerly things, but they don't want to give him that until he realizes he has something expert to say. >> final question for you. i think one of the ideas that have been floated out there as we look forward, has it become too political? are democrats just looking, at least when you hear the criticisms from the right, democrats are just smelling the blood, they just want to win here and they are overblowing some of the focus on process as

what hugh hewitt said in the last hour. would you agree with that? >> going back a year now, we need a bipartisan independent commission like we had after accept september 11th. when you do this in a partisan setting, it's hard to actually investigate the facts. it's hard to do it on the pace that you need in order to gather all of the information and then just these incredible things, like representative nunes going to the white house and then going back to the hill and then going to brief the president on intelligence that he got from the white house and then leaking it to the press. i mean, that's just a very partisan set of activities and i don't think we're going to get to the truth in that setting. i really do think we need this independent commission. >> yes or no, if you don't have the independent commission, you have faith what's happening in

the senate intel committee? yes or no? >> they seem to be doing a better job. they are going slowly and really sticking to the contextual facts. >> could take a year or two. former ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you so much. >> thank you. house leader nancy pelosi speaking out about congressman nunes and his ability to lead an independent investigation into russia and the trump campaign. here's what she had to say to msnbc's joy reid. >> do you think he has credibility? >> i don't think he's not only lost all credibility but he's tarnished the position that he holds. he's in a very serious position in the congress. we don't know what the conversation was with the speaker but if the guidance was go to the president and then go to the press, that was very wrong. >> joining me now is white house correspondent for "the independent journal review" and josh dossi, white house reporter

for "politico." you've probably been watching what we've been playing for the last hour or so. mike pence tried to redirect the narrative away from what we were talking about at the moment which is the russian connection question. erin, is that what they want? >> that is what they want. they didn't get health care through and it looks like the entire agenda is being stalled, which includes tax reform, which they are very unlikely to get by august and also infrastructure which who knows how long that could take. i think all of this is a distraction. we talk a lot about how donald trump uses his twitter feed as a distraction. it may be that they also used devin nunes as a distraction simply because of the timeline there and the fact that they brought him to the white house to unveil this intelligence to him. i think that's why we've asked these very important questions about why he went to the white house, who let him into the white house and what they told him because i do think it's

possible that he's just been used there as that distraction. >> it's a good point you make there, erin, this question of surrogates, how they are being leveraged and the message they are giving. today we're seeing the vice president out there, josh, normally on a saturday, the person coming to the pulpit, if you will, is not the number two. generally, it's been donald trump himself. he loves to get out there on saturdays and sundays and on weekends to get his message out. we're not seeing that today. from your reporting, what do you hear about what is happening internally? we've been seeing different faces out there today. >> he's at the white house today, making calls, picking a new deputy of staff. you see the vice president out talking to the message, sticking to the script, trying to show the administration is still committed to the economy and jobs and doing the bread and butter of politics. but it's not nearly as dynamic as the president out there and i think we'll see him hit the road again in a few weeks with these

poll ratings lower and things not going well in washington. i think we'll see him hit the road again. >> erin, let's get off the road for a second and go straight to the white house, which is your beat here. as we're hearing that next week, the senate intel committee will be moving forward with these private interviews, any reaction from the white house? are they concerned about the process that's happening on the other side at the moment? >> no. and look, i'd point out to you that there's a very big meeting coming up at the end of next week. the chinese president xi jinping is coming to mar-a-lago to meet with the president. i think there's going to be a lot of focus on that. the other thing i'm hearing from senior administration officials, they are going to do everything they can with executive orders knowing that they have a really big problem to pass anything on the legislative agenda to the point that i had one senior administration official who said they would try to do whatever

they can on infrastructure through executive orders which doesn't make a lot of sense because it takes a lot of money to appropriate to get anything done on infrastructure but they will do whatever they can on that front with executive orders. that's where some of the focus is. as far as the russia story goes, they are trying to stay away from that as much as possible. >> josh, your thought on that. next week, how important is it? lots of things happening, she jinping, the senate committee moving forward with the private interviews. we've got the tax plan as well as the infrastructure plan. >> and they want to get neil gorsuch through. that's been one of the few things that they haven't necessarily bungled. a very important state visit, going to mar-a-lago for a few days and the senate intelligence hearing meeting which will get hotter before it gets better. i think we have a long way to go

on that. i think for the administration next week, getting neil gorsuch through would be a big win. they've struggled to get any of those. he promised on the campaign trail 20 judges he would pick from. he picked from the list,le see if his conservative supporters like it and get it through the senate. that would be a place to say, listen, we're delivering on our promise. it's not just signing executive orders and getting stymied in congress. we're doing what we said we were going to do. so i think that's vitally important to them getting back on track in some ways. >> josh dossey, erin mcpike, thank you both. >> thank you. still ahead, trump versus the gop. the president threatening conservatives if they don't get on board with his agenda. we'll talk to a former republican member of congress. plus this -- >> i will never, ever support a single-payer health care for

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welcome back. voters in trump country are making their voices heard about how he's doing as president today. south carolina senator lindsey graham wrapping up a town hall meeting just a short time ago. take a listen. >> i know you want to talk about russia, right? russia, supreme court, right, and obamacare.

>> we're in north charleston with more about what graham's constituents were fired up about. what answers did he give? >> reporter: to lindsey graham's credit, this is the third town hall in the last month. what he said was actually -- i've got to remind you, lindsey graham has been one of the biggest critics of trump. he's aligned himself with donald trump in the supreme court and has suggested that a vote should go forward on neil gorsuch. this is what he said to the crowd of many, many boos and many cheers. >> you're taking the senate down a very dangerous path.

so i will vote to report him out and if i have to, i will vote to change the rules because i'm not going to allow president trump to deny the same opportunity that every president has had for 200 years because you're mad and you can't accept the outcome of an election. >> reporter: being in a republican state doesn't mean there aren't democrats here. what you heard lindsey graham say is he was willing to change senate rules to allow the confirmation process of judge neil gorsuch to go through. they only have two democrats on board. they need eight. without the eight, they would not be able to push through his confirmation process. the other issue is russia, which you heard him address at the very top in which lindsey graham has been very vocal from the

start saying we need full-scale investigations along with the doj and fbi. and what you heard here today, he said, quote, nunes, the house, they are off, quote, in a ditch. on the senate side, he said he's proud of mark warner and richard burr who chairs that committee. he said really right now it's their ability to move with an investigation is the one thing gif giving him confidence into the potential trump campaign connections to russia. he said if it turns out the senate is not able to complete this investigation thoroughly, as you were talking earlier at this hour with your guest, at that point having a special independent commission come forward and putting something together to investigate that more. richard? >> thank you, vaughn, for that. i appreciate that. while lindsey graham faces questions from his constituents,

some republicans are facing the wrath of their own president with president trump calling out members of the freedom caucus by name on twitter for their lack of support on health care reform and urging them to come on board with tax reform. those tweets may be taking their poll on republicans in the end even those not affiliated with the freedom caucus. >> he's burning political capital with every tweet that attacks the guys that came to washington, d.c., to drain the swamp. >> a white house official went so far as to suggest that the president could campaign against republicans who do not line up behind him telling "the washington post," quote, there's nothing as clarifying as a smell of air of air force one jet fuel. if he needs to bring in a plane and do a rally, he's going to think about doing that, end quote. i'm joined by congressman david jolly. thanks for being with us here today, representative. >> good to be with you, richard. you got it. >> so let's go first to lindsey

graham, what vaughn was talking about. he's hitting the road, unlike other senators, in repeated fashion here. why do you think he's doing that and what do you make of his messaging? >> because lindsey graham can hold his own. god bless lindsey graham right now if you're a republican. i've traveled the middle east with lindsey graham. we've met with refugees at the syrian border and heads of state and kings. lindsey graham would sit across a president who is concerned about donald trump and say, don't worry about donald trump. presidents come and go. senators die in office. and that's his attitude. his attitude is to use the article 1 authority that the founders enjigsvisioned for the senate. and the house has blown its credibility between health care and the russia investigation and we know where the credibility of this administration sits right now. >> well, you being from the other side of the hill, though, on the house, you will not die in office necessarily or not

most congress members do. when you look at it, would you be worried about donald trump sitting down with air force one? would you be worried about a twitter funder coming down upon you if you were a member of this freedom caucus, if you were in his sights? >> no. because understand that freedom caucus members generally outperformed in their districts and, in some ways, frankly getting attacked by donald trump will make you stronger back home right now in some districts. here's the remarkable thing, though. the freedom caucus -- and i never really agreed with them. i was a member of the tuesday group, but justin amash, a senior advice to the president this morning called out on twitter, one of the most transparent members of congress, goes to social media on every single vote, he is somebody with deep conviction, so much so that though we rarely agreed on policy, i invited him down to my district to meet with

republicans at one point. the president is taking a different approach which is to attack them. the problem is, the president can't get to 218 votes if he alienates republicans and democrats, which is what he's managed to do in the first 72 days. >> i bet you wish you were still in congress. at the same time, i bet you are wishing you weren't. >> #notmycongress. this is not the time for me to be in congress right now. >> the question for you, representative, at this point, then, it's not just the freedom caucus. do you think other members of the gop caucus are saying i am worried, based on the success or lack thereof that he's had with congress, it appears that many are just giving him the hand. >> every member of congress right now, the one thing they have in common, they are worried about their own re-election in 2018 and you better believe that's their priority overworking with donald trump right now. if it helps them, they will do it. if it doesn't, they won't.

remember ben boehner resigned because they couldn't come together? the president has inherited that as well but he's showing he doesn't have the leadership to bring it together, nor does paul ryan. he's your friend, not your parent. boehner was your parent, not your friend. >> it was the first major vote for paul ryan that he had to get through and he could not. the question for you quickly here, representative, who was the big loser? you know these folks. was it president trump or was it speaker paul ryan? >> both. but trump. this was trumpcare and he didn't provide the leadership to get over the finish line. i think we're going to see a shake-up in the white house. it's less about who leaves and more about who comes in. bill clinton rolled out gays in the military, it was too aggressive, rolled out hillarycare. they had to bring in david gergen in may to restore stability among all else. donald trump needs to find his david gergen to restore credibility with the media, the

voters and with the establishment republicans as well as those on the hill so he can pass an agenda. >> outside of david jolly, who would it be? >> you know, i hate to name names but -- >> go for it. >> a retired senator, somebody who has experience on the hill, is now in the business -- the question is, who would take the job? the amount of ego in the oval office right now, not just trump but bannon and conway and the whole team, it's so large that i'm not sure gergen would take the job. he continued to criticize clinton. the white house called his bluff and hired him. trump's smart enough, maybe he finds that person and asks them to come to the white house. >> that's the question. congressman david jolly, if you're ever in town, please come by. appreciate it my friend. still ahead, north carolina scrubs the so-called controversial bathroom bill but advocates are not happy with the revised bill. the reason why ahead.

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it is as an effort that could cost $4 billion over 12 years. it blocked transgender people using public bathrooms correspondenting to the bathrooms that they identify with. on thursday, it was repealed and replaced. the replace law eliminates the requirement that people use the law th bathroom that is reflected on their birth certificate. it leaves it to the state and prevents local governments from preventing any nondiscrimination laws in the next three years. well, roy cooper and advocates admit the law still does not go far enough. >> this is not a perfect deal and it is not my preferred

solution. it stops short of many things we need to do as a state. >> joining me now, executive director of the national center for transgender equality. thank you for being with us. when we look at this here, maria -- i apologize. i had a typo. the question is the replace and i laid out just one or two of the items. those who are critical of it, the replace, say this is still not enough. why? >> oh, for about a million reasons but i would say mostly this still disallows local governments and schools, by the way, to create policies that welcome transgender students, that welcome transgender customers. this does nothing to alleviate the fear that the tens of thousands of students in the state have that their parents have. this was just a two-step done by

the speaker of the house and the senate majority leader to continue on with their reign of incompetent terror. >> mara, as it removed the requirement to use barmts reflected on their birth certificate, it leaves open agencies here to move forward with potential limitations that go back to, say, you must use the restroom that's associated with your birth certificate. that's what you're saying? >> no, not exactly. it disallows any local entities from passing laws one way or the other about public accommodations, things like access to restrooms. but also, employment practices, by the way, this is still a lot about the state trying to control what local governments do around raising minimum wages, around accessing the courts. this is just an anti-civil

rights law. now there's actually a moratorium on governments increasing the civil rights for people in their areas. >> what's the next step? the law has now passed. >> you know, this legislature passed an illegal gerrymandering, it passed illegal voter suppression, it passed an illegal power graph from the new governor. you know, i suppose it keeps fighting it out in the legislature, it keeps hurting the state businesswise and it will be in the courts. >> will you take this to court, this law? >> well, we're not an organization that actually does litigation, but we're looking into what is possible to do. but if it's this legislature, there's something -- there's something unsustainable about it. we're going to keep fighting and we're going to win. >> mara, thank you for your time

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russia hackers are not just going after the u.s. government. civilians are also a target. cyberphishing reached the e-mail of john podesta but every day people fall prey to these techniques. a group of russian hackers stole half a billion yahoo accounts. more complex malware was used to steal passwords, access to device backups and log keystrokes. joining us is chief scientist at

flash point. so russian hackers, it's in the headlines. you and i have talked about this going after u.s. government officials and entities. they are also going after every day americans. what's the number and the frequency that you would think of that would say this is a big deal. >> because there's a difference that used to be a separate line between nation state adversaries and criminal, it's blended so much so now i could say every ten seconds there is a russian criminal action against a u.s. account. now this is mostly automated because of the tools that do it automatically for them. >> every ten seconds. >> i would say. >> and who are these russian groups? >> basically, a lot of them are living in these forums and trying to make their own money. they've made their own enterprises and have their own groups and they'll be hacking teams or money launder pairs.

almost as if you went on ebay or said i'm looking for this or i need this service or like a crai craigslist and say i need this. >> forums and locked behind these walls. are they multinational and in one place and another member is a thousand miles away and another is in a totally different country? >> yes. and why this has become a huge problem, russia has been doing this since a minimum of 2000 and 2001 with malware. >> are they using the same devices and abilities named at nation states and use the same tactics on every day folks like you and me? >> yeah. it's kind of like -- we have a difference here where back in the old days of warfare or attacks, you know, the cost of

getting into a weapon was different. today, anybody can write a tool. if you can code and learn to code, you can write a code that can actually cause harm or damage and it can be free or sold. everybody has access to it with no rules or accountability that is in play here. no one is held accountable. >> the idea of apps and on the bizarre side, on the bad side, the dark side of the moon, one place we can go, very quickly, if we want to protect ourselves, if you will. >> that's a tough one these days. but i would go to the u.s. cert site. also, ftc has details about these kinds of attacks. >> lance james, thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you. up next, democrats in danger of losing their seats next year

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clinton and president of eagle forum fund and author of the conservative case for trump. the trump threat of retribution is pretty high. it looks like he's lost the ability to sway voters. is that the case? >> i would say something different. i'm glad you're focusing on claire mckas still. trump would win by three or four points and won by 19 points. this is a trump state. claire is running scared, no matter what she said. she spent four days contemplating is she got around the press and it made her look moderate and support a filibuster. she's running scared and there's four, five, six republicans lined up to take her on. i think the story out in america is that trump is stronger than ever on the ground with the people and he's going to win

races in 2018 much to the surprise of his history. he's going to win senate seats and house seats and not change the dynamic. he's draining a swamp of both republicans and democrats. it's a challenge in d.c. but out here, people are for trump. >> we'll look for data and see if it supports that potential outcome that you're describing. on the flip side, when we look at this, david, you may have seen politico and there were 12 democrats in congress that said -- that are in red districts not really -- well, worried unnecessarily, at least not right now, of a donald trump coming after them. >> i will give you that missouri went for trump this time but also wisconsin, michigan, ohio

and missouri. democratic turnout was very unusually low and claire mccaskill surprised people over and over again. so i think what's going on here, we're seeing a trend. the trend is that the last election had very low democratic turnout relative to what it was for president obama and this time we have a base that wants to see these guys go. >> when anybody claims that, they are losing. trump is changing the whole equation on the ground with voters. guys, i'm just telling you, the polls in missouri go to data. polls say he wins by five. he won by 19. a guy will stop immigration on demand and drain the swamp. by the way, he's doing just what he said, whether people believe it or not. >> they are trying to do what he said. >> he certainly is not.

the justice department yesterday came to missouri and general sessions said we're going after sanctuary cities and we're going to stop illegals. >> tell that to a guy in st. louis who lost his job. >> david, reflect on the question i asked you about democrats in red districts feeling quite comfortable now. why? >> as well they should. as my friend was mistakenly pointing out, there is no economic resuscitation brought here by donald trump. he's failing miserably the democrats in red districts know that. they are not afraid of him and coming back with a vengeance. >> claire mccaskill will be re-elected. >> it's great to get two people in the room who agree so much. >> what's the russian word for denial? >> thank you much, ed, david.

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