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this is outrageous. civilized people cannot just stand by and say this is someone else's fault from three and a half years ago. >> speaking of making a dangerous world more dangerous, the north koreans tonight our time shot off another ballistic missile, a generic war head apparently, but part of this round of testing. secretary of state tillerson fired off a response remarkable in its brevity. this was it -- north korea launched yet another intermediate range ballistic missile. the united states has spoken enough about north korea. we have no further comment. ambassador, your comment? >> well, i guess everyone has his own style. one hopes that this is kind of one of those sort of strong, quiet types who have something that they are planning to do. but it's really hard to tell. and i'm sure the south koreans and others are sort of wondering
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what is mapt by this. you know, diplomacy shouldn't be a mystery game. i mean, you should give clear signals to people. let's see what he has in mind. but i fine that a little hard to receipt right now. >> i am selfishly worried about the 27,000, 28,000 americans in uniform who are within artillery distance of north korea, say nothing of a nth korea that could build a missile putting los angele within distance. same question. what do you do here? >> well, you got it. i mean it is a tough issue. there are 20 million south koreans within artillery range of north korea. i think there are a couple of things we need to do. one we really have to strengthen that relationship with south korea make sure the south koreans know we are all in the the north koreans want to go there. and i think the deployment of these anti-ballistic missile systems is the right thing to do. but it is equally important, and
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actually crucial that we have a deep dive with the chinese so there is a clear understanding of what we're looking for and what we're not looking for. the chinese worry not only about refugees. they worry about a lot of thing. they special worry about the notion that there could be a unified kor unified korean peninsula. we have to have a really deep dive with the chinese. and i think life is all about trying to set some priorities. and we need to make this north korean issue a priority. this is not going away on its own. it is by far the most dangerous issue that we face in the world, including from that possibility of their holding u.s. cities hostage with icbms. >> as luck would have it, the chinese are coming to of all places mar-a-lago for the weekend. let's hope for fruitful talks. i can't help but noting the time
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zones work to your advtage with a show that is on this late on the east at night. so we hope we have permission to call upon you and ask you a few questions again in the future ambassador. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> former ambassador chris hill. let's bring in two journalism veterans, ron 4-in-1ier, long time "associated press" bhous white house correspondent and washington bureau chief. he is with us from detroit where he is editor and publisher of crane's detroit business. and charlie sykes. charlie, proximity tonight wins. you go first. and that is the political reaction to syria today. and i want to throw up on the screen why it's tough for donald trump, sean spicer, anyone speaking if their name to respond to -- this is his twitter history on do not attack syria, syria is not our problem. as a friend of mine always says,
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i don't mean to be disrespectful, sure looks different from the cheap seats. >> it sure does. once again, how many times have we lived through this, the never again, after the holocaust, after rwanda, we always said never again. here we are. this is our generation's moral challenge. there were different foreign policy failures by the obama administration. now the question is what is the trump administration going to do? a lot of rhetoric how this is unacceptable but the reality is that the world right now is accepting this. nothing that's happening in syria is unpredictable. nothing that is happening in syria should shock the world given the fact that the world has turned a blind eye, that we have empowered president assad, that we have given, you know, his -- you know, one of his puppet masters pooutd putin, you know, free reign, all of this. we do have failures, a bipartisan failure, but the real question is what are they going to do about it now?
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and is donald trump going to think about this in any other terms other than relitigating his grudge match with barack obama. >> we have been talking about this kind of unforced error that caused so much time, attention, and distraction, and granted, misdirection because of social media consuming almost half of the presidency thus far. this is where reality kicks in. >> i hate the term unforced err. it's as if he did something by accident. this was a purposeful miss direction to distract us from a real issue and a real controversy over ties with russia which as charlie mentions is a country that our country has handed syria over to. and he's got -- as you say, he's got to get out of the cheap seats and realize he's the one
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now who is sitting in the oval office and it's not good enough to talk about the red line that barack obama drew and then walked away from. donald trump is now the one walking a way from this crisis. he's the one that now has blood on his hands. he's the one who has got to step up and lead the world. this can't go on anymore. as we heard the ambassador, we do have options. none of them are easy. but that's why he was elected to make the tough decisions. >> we are going to fit in another break. when we come back, the difficulty of pushing through an agenda of any kind when a huge percentage of americans are tonight expressing embarrassment over this presidency. details on that ahead. the new numbers when "the 11th hour" continues. ♪ wanna get away? now you can with southwest fares as low as 59 dollars one-way.
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and replace. the last attempt, which measured 17% approval in popularity polls went down in flames. the president back then said they were moving on to tax reform. the white house has had a tough time getting its agenda going amid this russian preoccupation. and the new androling poll numbers continue for president trump. look at this set of numbers. this is from the new quinn peaiac poll. 57% of voters say trump does not care about average americans. 61% say he is not honest. 66% say he is not level headed. and worst of all, perhaps, 52% of all voters, more than half, say they are embarrassed to have donald trump as their president. ron and charlie remain here with us. charlie, let's just take a moment. that kind of takes you -- we are all patriots here, and that takes your breath away. >> it does.
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you know, and too bad nobody warned us that this might happen a year or so ago. but what i think is interesting is donald trump right now is probably missing hillary clinton because he has always had those really high negatives. during the campaign he was able to convince conservatives and republicans, mo matter how awful i might she is more lowe'some. >> we needed the soviets during the cold war. >> exactly. but what is amazing about this, is normally we have a honey moon in this country. so these numbers just across the board, whether it's men, whether it's white voters the voters among young people are devastating. the numbers don't incentivize the democrats to bail him out on health care and obviously republican members of congress whose numbers are also cratering do you really want to get on the trump train and push through this bill as you pointed o had 17% approval rating before they started getting the benefits.
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>> ron 4-in-1ier, a question i ask so many of our guest, is this sustainable? >> no. you can't start out with the worst start of a presidency in modern american history and sustain that. he's -- he's swirling the drain. unless he figures a way to regain the public's trust, to regain our faith, it's going to end badly. and i don't know how he comes out of this, charlie is exactly right. we forget how he got elected. he got elected because this was a change election. he was the change candidate going against someone who was clearly the status quo president. once he is in office he is the establishment and the public wants change. that's cutting against him. >> charlie, you are a dreamer, a dreamer from wisconsin. you said during the break i wonder if the white house will pivot to substance. >> i also wonder whether the debate in the media coverage
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will pivot to substance. for example, the story about syria and the role of russia maybe connects the dots, why do all these tweets matter, why does the russian story matter, why does the appease men of russia matter. because this is who vladimir putin is. this is why our relationship and our unwillingness to take him on matters in a very, very graphic term. there's been a lot of the distractions that we have had up until now. but at some point donald trump is going to have to deal with substance. on health care, will he be able to get that through? will he be able to cut taxes. rld is a very, very dangerous place. do americans look like they are confident that donald trump can handle what is happening in syria or what is happening in north korea? now it gets real. >> ron when you toss around a word like appeasement, which is fair, but the second time we've heard it in 75 years of modern american history. think back to the books you have read about lindbergh. think back to the criticism of jack kennedy's dad coming back
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from the uk. appeasement is a very real issue. >> there's a lot of ways if donald trump is not careful he is going to be on the wrong sides of history. and his supporters, although i understand why they wanted a change and why they wanted to blow up the system we have to worry about what side of the history we are going object on and there is a lot of issues that it looks like donald trump is on the wrong side. >> i guess it's time to ask about where it's really headed. we heard the president -- you and i heard him say, enough with health care. >> right. >> on to tax reform. what are the chances? what are the chances we are going to get infrastructure before someone raises hey how about solar panels the whole thing dies of its own -- >> this is about tests right now, which is why they are going back to health care, the republicans have to determine whether they have a governing majority in the house. >> what paul ryan was talking about. >> exact. paul ryan is concerned. unless they can do that, then
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trump will pivot and work with the democrats. i don't see the democrats are going to be particularly enthusiastic. but health care sets the table for tax cuts, for tax reform. if you don't get health care, if you don't get tax reform it's hard for me to think the republicans are going to. brace infrastructure. thenu in the first year the new president will have no major accomplishments. >> other than executive orders. >> which is why i don't understand why he didn't go after infrastructure right away. dare democrats to walk away from infrastructure reform. >> in detroit you have a better than average airport. we new yorkers really need infrastructure. ron, if you were in your old job writing the lead off for "associated press," the one used on the web and by morning papers what would your suggested headline to your editors be? >> tonight? >> yes? >> a presidency on the brink. >> on that, i also have a point
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of personal privilege. we talked this week about the blue puzzle piece for autism speaking. i can't help but note your green puzzle piece on your lapel. and because we know each other and because i read your book, take 30 seconds and tell the folks what that represents. >> this represents the autism alliance of michigan. i'm honored to be on the board here. the big cause for this group in michigan is to connect jobs with young men and women because of the special way they are wired that they can do these jobs. and we need to find them employment. my son is mildly autistic and i wrote a book last year called "love that boy" that came out on paperback tonight. i appreciate you having me on. >> i didn't even know that coincidence. your boo i about five feet from me iny office, ron 4-in-1ier, good to see you. thank you for joining us, charlie sykes, always a pleasure. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll take our next break.
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where i disagree with my father, he knows it is. and i express myself with total candor. where i agree, i fully lean in and support the agenda and hope that i can be an asset to him and make a positive impact. >> ivanka trump talking to gayle king of cbs today, the same day she spoke to business lead he is at the white house. she talked at that event about reinventing howway train america's work force, we need more women for science technology and math she is she is is a veteran the
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world of business and finance prior to seeing the light and finding honest work in the world of news media. with that as a background, stephanie, your contention is it is time now for -- >> i'm passionate about women and girls. ivanka is passionate about that as well. she has taken one of the potentially most powerful positions in the white house. one of the most powerful women in the world. now she has to be accountable for what she says she is so passionate about. this morning to address gender pay gap we appreciate that she is. but what are the action steps. if you look at the president's policies thus far they diametrically opposed. last week to pull back on protection that president obama put in place for women this the workplace, to defund planned parenthood, the u.n. health fund. there is really a mismatch in what's actually being done from a policy perspective and today
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speaking to those ceos yes it sounds great, putting people back to work with public/private partnerships. what does that mean. ivanka traunk sat next to angela merkel two weeks ago. there they calked about job building. this week she says she is excited to work with mark ben offon his apprentice program. inv orders been signed? where is the money? this is talk. if you are going to take a seat like that, where is the action. >> the part of life she can't ntrol, these the daughter of a billionaire, the wife of a millionaire. having said that, if i appointed you chief of chaf to ivanka
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truch, what would you lay out for -- chief of staff to ivanka trump, what would you lay out for her agenda? >> ivanka trump wants to take on these issues. we have heard from her in the past she cares about climate change, met with al gore and leonardo decaprio. what can she do. it's encouraging that jared kushner wants to focus on innovation. that's detectived to things like technology, research, science, the nih being defunded. research, we are seeing less and less of that coming from the government. she is in a very difficult position. but she has now chosen to be in the fast lane. 23 we wants to be in the fast lane she has to put her seat belt on and be accountable. in terms of what can she do, actually try to move things in terms of policy. if her father does listen to her so closely we'd like to see where. she said something in that interview per father knows where
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she agrees with him and where she doesn't. the americanr american people want to know. when the women's march took place, ivanka didn't comment. didn't make a statement. doesn't mean she has to support it, but she should acknowledge it. justin trudeau acknowledged it saying people want to have a voice. if she is going to be a voice a voice of reason, we would love to hear it as you know, these are scary times and the policies that we are seeing put in place don't go with the message that she has put out. >> stephanie rule thank you for joining us tonight. we will be watching tomorrow morning. steph lee me rule anchoring from washington. coming up after a break. he is only one of 100 u.s. senators. tonight we got a vivid reminder that sometimes john mccain says things the other 99 are unwilling to say. when we continue.
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mccain today talking about the coming supreme court fight in the senate and telling assembled reporters what he thinks about those who might have described the so-called nuclear option rules change in the senate as a good idea. >> i would like to meet that idiot. i would like to meet that numb skull that would say that that after 200 years, at least 100 years of this tradition where the senate has functioned pretty well they think it would be a good idea to blow it up. idiot. no. whoever says that is a stupid idiot who has not been here and seen what i have been through and how we were able to avoid that on several occasions. and they are stupid and they deceive their voters because they are so stupid. >> don't tell him we spelled numb skull without a b.
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that is our broadcast on a tuesday night. we are back on the air tomorrow 1:00 eastern time as president trump takes questions from the press. for now thank you for being with us and good night from new york. we've had some brutal and terrible news out of syria today. as dozens of civilians, dozens of children appear to have been killed in what looks like a chemical attack of some kind on a syrian rebel-held area in the northwest part of that country. our own richard engel filed a harrowing, harrowing report on this attack tonight for nbc "nightly news." here's pt of what richard filed. i will tell you, it is a bit intense. >> reporter: these disturbing images taken just after the explosion. witnesses say it was a checa
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