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fired off a response remarkable in its brevity. this was it. north korea launched yet another intermediate range ballistic missile. the united states has spoken enough about north korea. we have no further comment. ambassador, your comment? >> well, i guess everyone has his own style. one hopes that this is kind of one of those sort of strong, quiet types who have something that they are planning to do, but it is really hard to tell. i'm sure the south koreans and others are sort of wondering what is meant by this. you know, diplomacy shouldn't be a mystery game. i mean you should give clear signals to people. so let's see what he has in mind, but i find that a little hard to read right now. >> i am selfishly worried about the 27,000, 28,000 americans in uniform who are within artillery distance of north korea, say
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nothing of a north korea that could build a missile putting los angeles within distance. the same question, what do you do here? >> well, you've got it. it is a tough issue. there are 20 million south koreans within artillery range of north korea. i think a couple of things we need to do. e, we really h to strengthen that relationship with south koa, make sure the south koreans knowhat we are all-in if the north koreans want to go there. i think this deployment of these anti-ballistic missile systems is the right thing to do. but it is equally important and actually crucial that we have a deep dive with the chinese so there is a clear understanding of what we're looking for and what we're not looking for. the chinese worry not only about refugees, they worry about a lot of things. they especially worry about the notion there could be a unified korean peninsula under a u.s. ally. this would be a strategic victory for the united states, a strategic defeat for china.
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they worry we would put troops on the yallo, we would put listening posts up there. we have to have a really deep dive with the chinese. i think live is all about trying to set some priorities, and we need to make this north korean issue a priority. this is not going away on its own, and it is by far the most dangerous issue that we face in the world including from that possibility of their holding u.s. cities hostage with icbms. >> as luck would have it, the chinese are coming to, of all places, mar-a-lago for the weekend. so let's hope for fruitful talks. i can't help but noting the time zones work to your advantage with a show that is on this late on the east at night, so we hope we have permission to call upon you and ask you a few questions again in the future, ambassador. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> former ambassador chris hill. let's bring in two journalism veterans,on fornay, long time associated press
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correspondent. he is from detroit where he is ed tore and publisher of crane. an msnbc contributor charlie sikes. charlie, proximity wins, you go first. that is the political reaction to syria today. i want to throw up on the screen why it is tough for donald trump, sean spicer, anyone speaking in their name to respond to -- this is his twitter history on do not attack syria, syria is not our problem. as a friend of mine always says -- i don't mean to be disrespectful -- sure looks different from the cheap seats. >> it sure does. once again, you know, how many times have we lived through this, never again, you know, after the holocaust, after rwanda, we said never again, and yet here we are. this is our generation's moral challenge. sure, there were definite foreign policy failures by the obama administration, but now
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the question is what is donald trump, what is the trump administration going to do? a lot of rhetoric about how this is unacceptable, but the reality is that the world right now is accepting this. nothing that is happening in syria was unpredictable. nothing that has happened in syr syria, you know, should shock the world given the fact that the world has turned a blind eye, that we have empowered president assad, that we have given, you know, his -- one of his puppet masters, vladimir putin, you know, free reign in all of this. yes, we do have failures, bipartisan failure, but the real question is what are they going to do about it now. is donald trump is going to think about this in any other terms other than relitigating his grudge match with barack obama? >> and ron, to you, exactly what we've been talking about prior to coming to you in the hour, and that is this unforced error that has caused so much time, attention and distraction, and,
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granted, mi granted, misdirection because of social media consuming almost half of the presidency thus far. this is where reality kicks in. >> and i hate the term unforced error. it is actually as if he did something by accident. this was a purposeful misdirection to distract us from a real issue and a real controversy over ties with russia, which as charlie mentions is a country that our country has handed syria over to. he's got to -- as you say, he has to get out of the cheap seats and realize he's the one now who is sitting in the oval office. it is not good enough to talk about the red line that barack obama drew and then walked away from. donald trump is the one who is now walking away from this crisis. he's now the one who has blood on his hands. he's the one who has to step up and lead the world. this can't go on anymore. as we heard from the ambassador, we do have options. none of them are easy, but that's why he was elect, was to make these tough decisions. >> gentlemen, stay right where you are. we're going to fit in another
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break. when we come back, the difficulty of pushing through an agenda of any kind when a huge percentage of americans are tonight expressing embarrassment over this presidency. details on that ahead. the new number also when "the 11th hour" continues. and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, or adempas® for pulmonary hypertension, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. to avoid long-term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have a sudden decrease or loss of hearing or vision, or an allergic reaction, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis.
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trump. look at this set of numbers. this is from the new quinnipiac poll. 57% of voters say trump does not care about average americans. 61% say he is not honest. 66% say he is not level-headed. worst of all perhaps, 52% of all voters, more than half, say they are embarrassed to have donald trump as their president. ron and charlie remain here with us. charlie, let's take a moment. >> yeah. >> that kind of takes your -- we're all patriots here and that takes your breath away. >> well, it does. you know, too bad nobody wonders if this might happen a year or so ago. >> yeah. >> what i think is interesting is donald trump right now is probably missing hillary clinton because he always had those really high negatives? but during the campaign he was able to convince conservatives and republicans, well, no matter how awfully might be she is much more loathsome, she is much more terrible. it was a binary chce.
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>> we needed the soviets durin the cold war. >> exactly. but what is amazing about this is normally we have a honeymoon in this country. these numbers just across the board, whether it is men, whether it is white voters, the numbers among young people are absolutely devastating. these numbers do not incentivize the democrats to negotiate and bail him out on health care and have to give because to republicans in numbers who numbers are cratering to get on the trump train and push through this bill that, as you point out, had a 17% approval rating before they started gutting the protections on preexisting conditions. >> yeah, they didn't measure it after they came out with the latest version. >> right. >> ron, a question i asked so many of our guests, so many of whom find it unanswerable. is this sustainable? >> no. you can't -- you can't start out in the worst start of a presidency in modern american history and sustain -- sustain that. he's swirling the drain. unless he figures a way to regain the public's trust, to
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regain our faith, it is going to end badly. i don't know how he comes out of this because charlie is exactly right. we forget how he got elect. he got elect because it was a change election and he was the charn candidate going against the status quo candidate. once he gets in office, now he's the establishment and, woens aga once again, the american public want change and that's cutting against him. >> charlie, one of the reasons to love you is you are a dreaming. you are a dreamer from wisconsin. you sid during the break, i wonder if the white house will pivot to substance. >> i also wonder whether the debate in the media coverage will pivot to substance. for instance the story about syria and the role of russia maybe connects the dots, why do the tweets matter, why does the appeasement of russia matter, because now this is why -- this is who vladimir putin is. this is why our relationship and our unwillingness to takeim on matters in a graphic term. so there's been a lot of, you know, the distractions we've had
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up until now. but at some point donald trump is going to have to deal with substance on healthcare. will he be able to get it through? will he be able to cut taxes? the world is a very, very dangerous place. do americans look like they're confident donald trump can handle what is happening in syria or north korea? now it gets real. ron, when you toss around a world like appeasement, which is fair, but the second time we've heard it in 75 years of modern american history, think back to the books you have raerd about lindeberg, think back to the criticism of jack kennedy's dad coming back from the u.k. appeasement is a very real issue. >> look, there's a lot of ways that if donald trump is not careful he's going to be on the wrong sid of history. and his supporters, although i understand why they wanted a change and why they want to blow up the system, we all have to worry about what side of history we will be on. there's a lot of issues that looks like donald trump is on the wrong side.
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>> i guess it is time to ask about where it is really headed. we heard the president, you and i heard him say enough with healthcare. >> right. >> on to tax reform. what are the chances? what are the chances we're going to get infrastructure before someone raises, hey, how about sole or panels, the whole thing dies of its own -- >> this is the real test right now which is why they're going back to healthcare, which is the republicans have to determine if they have a governing majority in the house. >> what paul ryan was talking about. >> exactly. paul ryan is concerned unless they can do that, what will happen is donald trump will pivot and try to work with the democrats. i don't see that the democrats will be particularly enthusiastic, but healthcare set the table for tax cuts, for tax reform. if you don't get healthcare, if you don't get tax reform, it is hard for me to imagine republicans are going to embrace infrastructure. then you are looking alt a first year in which the new president will have no major legislative accomplishments. >> other than executive actions,
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that's it. >> right. >> which is why i don't understand why he didn't go after infrastructure right away. why not try to govern a different way? why not try to dare the democrats to walk away from infrastructure reform, take on his own party. >> in detroit you have a better than average airplaort up there. we new yorkers need a new one. if you are in your job writing in the associated press, what would your suggested headline to your editors be? >> tonight? >> yeah. >> presidency on the brink. >> on that, i also have a point of personal privilege. we talked this week about the blue puzzle piece for autism speaks. i can't help but note your green puzzle piece on your lapel. because we know each other and because i read your book, take 30 seconds and tell the folks what that represents. >> this represents the autism
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alliance of michigan. i'm honored to be on the board here. the big cause for this group in michigan is to connect jobs with young men and women because of the special way they're wired, that they could do these jobs, and we need to find them employment. my son is mildly ah tissing and i wrote a book last year called love that boy that came out in paperback tonight. i appreciate you having me on. >> i didn't even know that coincidence, but your book is about five-feet from me in my office. ron fourn ier, thanks for joining us. charlie sikes, always a pleasure. we will take our next break. coming up, ivanka trump coming out speaking about her new gig and her willingness to speak out to the commander in chief considering she is his daughter when "the 11th hour" continues.
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w where i disagree with my father, he knows it and i express myself with total candor. where i agree, i fully lean in
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and support the agenda and hope that i can be an asset to him and make a positive impact. >> ivanka trump talking t gail king of cbs today, the same day she spoke to business lders at the white house. she talked at that event about reinventing how we train america's workforce, the need for more women in science, technology, math occupations and addressing the gender pay grip. stephanie noel is with us. she is host of nbc live at 9:00 a.m. eastern each day, a veteran of the world of business and finance bringing to seeing the light and finding honest work in the world of news media. with that as a background, stephanie, your contention is that it is time now for accountability. >> i am also passionate about the advocacy for women and girls. ivanka trump is passionate about that as well. now she has taken a new seat. she is taking one of the potentially most powerful positions in the white house,
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one of the most powerful women in the world, and now she has to be accountable for what she says she is so passionate about. so this morning to address gender pay gap, we appreciate that she is, but what are the action steps? if you look at the president's policies thus far their die metrically opposed. last week to pull back on protection that president obama put in place for women in the workplace, to defund planned parenthood, the u.n. health fund. there's really a mismatch in what's actually being done from a -- excuse me, from a policy perspective. today speaking to ceos, yes, it sound great to say putting people back to work with public/private partnerships, what does that mean? ivanka trump sat next to angela merkel, one of the most powful people in the world two weeks ago, and there they talked about job training. this week she said she is excited to work with mark benhoff on the apprentice program creating five million
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apprenticeships by 2020, but is it actually happening? have orders been signed? where is the money. this is talk. if you are going to take a seat like that, people want to know where is the action. >> the part of life she can't control, nor is it anything approaching her fault, is she is the daughter of at least an on paper billionaire. she is married to a multi-millionaire. she herself is a multi-millionaire. so there's going to be some natural connectivity issues with perhaps her dad's base and some folks across america. having said that, if i appointed you chief of staff to ivanka trump, what would you layout for her agenda, a reachable, sustainable, suggestible agenda? >> brian, this is an optimistic time. ivanka trump wants to take on these issues. we've heard from her in the past she cares about climate change. she met with al gore and leonardo dicaprio. it is encouraging jared kushner
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wants to focus on innovation, but when you think about nefgs it is connected to things like technology, research. the nih defunded, research, we are seeing less and less of that from the government. she is in a very difficult position, but she has chosen to be in the fast lane. if she wants to be in that fast lane, she has to put her seatbelt on and be accountable. in terms of what can she do, actually try to move things in terms of policy. and if her father does listen to her so closely, we would like to see where. you know, she said something in th interview that her father knows where she agrees with him and where she doesn't. the american people want to know. you know, when that women's march took place ivanka didn't comment on it, she didn't make a statement. it doesn't mean she has to be in support of it but to acknowledge it. justin trudeau did. he recognized that people wanted their voice heard. she was seeing a show at the same night president trump was at a rally saying he wanted to
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bring back the original immigration ban. if she is going to be this voice of reason, we would love to hear it. as you know, these are scary times. the policies we are seeing put in place don't go with the message she has put out. >> stephanie ruhle, thank you for joining us tonight. we will be watching tomorrow morning. anchoring from washington. coming up after a break, he is only one of 100 u.s. senators and today we got a vivid reminder sometimes john mccain says things the other 99 are unwilling to say, when we continue.
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last thing here, it was 17 years ago after all. those who weren't paying attention would be forgiven for not knowing or not remembering the name of john mccain's presidential campaign bus. the arizona republican a former navy combat aviator and prisoner of war for half a decade does not scare easily and often does use straight talk in a capitol that is not used to it. listen to the audio of john mccain today talking about the coming supreme court fight in the senate and telling assembled reporters what he thinks about those who might have described the so-called nuclear option rules change in the senate as a good idea. >> i would like to meet that idiot. i would like to meet that numb skull that would say that that after 200 years, at least 100 years of this tradition where
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the senate has functioned pretty well they think it would be a good idea to blow it up. idiot. no. whoever says that is a stupid idt who has not been here and seen what i have been through and how we were able to avoid that on several occasions. and they are stupid and they deceive their voters because they are so stupid. >> don't tell him we spelled numb skull without a b. that is our broadcast on a tuesday night. we are back on the air tomorrow 1:00 eastern time as president trump takes questions from the press. for now thank you for being with us and good night from new york. tonight on "all in." >> i was a national security adviser.
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>> susan rice strikes back. >> my job is to protect the american people and the security of our country. >> as the cloud hanging over the trump campaign's ties to russia grows darker. >> people will probably be charged, and i think people will probably go to jail. >> tonight, my exclusive interview with the ranking democrat on how intelligence, adam schiff. plus the president's latest hard right turn to try and sell trumpcare 2.0. >> nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. and from selling your internet browser history -- >> what the heck are you thinking? >> -- to rolling back protections for women. how trump's america is taking shape faster than you know. >> would you like to make a change, folks? >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. amid a steady drip of news about trump world's connections to russia and under the shadow of an unprecedented federal probe into possible collusion between