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seventh year. and the country's prime minister saying it completely ruined u.s./russia relations. are we headed to a shedown with our cold warren my? and president trump campaigned on putting america first. but is he ready to confront global fronts? nikki haley suggested just that yesterday. >> when the international community consistently fails in its duty to act collectively, there are times when states are compelled to take their own action. the indiscriminate use of chemical weapons against innocent civilians is one of those times. >> well, the praise for the president's actions against assad also accompanied with some criticism as well. the commander in chief stood by his decision and his troops today tweeting this. congratulations to our great military men and women for representing the united states and the world so well in this syria attack. the president is also commenting
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on his summit with china's president, a two-day meeting mostly overshadowed by the syria strike. kelly o'donnell is in palm beach on this busy saturday near the mar-a-lago estate. good morning, kelly. what's the latest? >> reporter: well, the president spent time at his golf resort in west palm beach. we presume there's been golfing going on but we don't know that officially. he has used twitter to talk about a couple of biggest things of his week and of his presidency. the meeting with president xi of china was meant to be consequential in ways. building a personal relationship, which the president thinks he has done and forging mutual respect on a wupb to one level. the president critical about issues related to trade. still a lot of work to do from his view towards the u.s. with china and the trade deficit and how china handles currency.
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so there will be a lot of work with china. as you mentioned, to some degree the visit overshad he doughed by the more unexpected developments related to syria. that is often the case for a president. outside events like the chemical attack in syria generating new demands on a president. those tend to get a lot of action. the president commending men and women. how is this viewed is around the world and does it suggest that the president will be viewed differently because of his willingness to take such action so shortly after the chemical attack. and after he said as a candidate he didn't want to see the u.s. interfering in parts of the world or taking action in parts of the world. the realities of being president and a real world events demanding that he take some consideration and to weigh action versus nonaction. the president decided to take this. not universal but a majority of
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those believe this was a necessary step due to the nature of the chemical attack. and to some degree, u.s. partners around the world viewing it favorable. of course russia does not. they have the closest ties to the dictator in syria, assad, and don't want to see the u.s. involved there. that has been sort of their zone. there will be new challenges for the president especially when you consider all the things that relate to the russia relationship. the things we have talked about russia meddling during the campaign and the very active relationship that needs to take place for now in this presidency with secretary of state rex tillerson headed to russia for their first meeting taking office. >> interesting about your reporting here as we try to happen what is happening in the white house, how do they come to the decision to attack syria or at least the bases in sorry was the connection of jared kushner potentially the conversations that he had with the leader of the u.s. central command which
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actually implemented the attacks. and jared kushner saw that very operation. the reason i bring it up, what was his influence in the white house? and influence going up against steve bannon has the headlines in the last several days have been these two trying to get close to the pleasapresident, k like the missile attack in syria. >> one of the great curiosities about the white house, it's true in the past as well but much more in this white house is the tension among top leaders because the president set things up in a most unusual way. having his son-in-law have tremendous power. you're right. he made that visit to iraq. and the kind of battle plan. the sort of assessments that the pentagon made towards syria, options given to the president. they were not drummed up overnight. they were longstanding and often revised ideas they could put in front of the president.
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jared kushner had a quick infusion of knowledge from the pentagon side. >> right. >> then you have steve bannon who wants no u.s. action around the world. he's part of that nonglobalization. so what we are hearing is there has been tension between kushner, priebus, the chief of staff reince priebus, and steve bannon. what we are learning is the three of them had a meeting recognizing all the public reporting in recent days about infighting, who is up, who is down, who has more power, who is less. it was described as a long session among the three of them wanting to get on the same page. is that even doable? and steve bannon is critical particularly of jared kushner, referring to him as a west wing democrat and has such definite influence that no one else can match as a family member and trusted adviser. tensions are real, but they are saying they are ready to work together. richard? >> all the key decisions we have seen within the last 48 hours.
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kelly, as always, thank you for that insight. kelly o'donnell palm beach with the president i want to bring in an individual that understands the very dynamics kelly o'donnell was talking about. that is michael mcfaul he can certainly describe to us what are some of these intrigues kelly was telling us about, the way the decisions are being made about attacking and the missile launch into syria. what is your understanding from those you talked with so much, ambassador, about what happened? >> i think it's pretty simple. i think there was a chemical attack. the president learned about it. he decided he wanted to do something about it. there was a deliberative process with the national security council. that has been documented to talk about options. they opted for a proportionate
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response attacking the airfield from which they believe this chemical weapons attack took place. and that's it. i think some are reading in too much. they are saying this is going to be a change in policy. >> right. >> and there is now going to be an active campaign against assad i think it's "way too early" to suggest that i think this was a direct response to a very particular tragic, awful event in syria. >> was this political? was it strategic? was it humanitarian? a mix of all three? >> no. you'll have to ask the president some day to know all of those. but from a far, watching him, it sealed like an emotional, tactical response to a very concrete, horrific action on the ground in syria. others can speculate about whether there is diversionary. it has changed the subject on a lot of matters, i can tell you. we're talking about this, not
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susan rice. we're not talking about the russian interference. but i think thate president saw these horrific things and decided he wanted to do something about it. it most certainly is not strategic. i don't know what the new syrian policy is. >> why is it not strategic? >> because it would be placed in a larger framework? the briefings from rex tillerson and mcmaster would be telling us about their new policy towards syria, the new policy towards the middle east, the new policy towards russia. >> right. >> they haven't done that work yet. >> along those lines here, ambassador, if the relationship between russia and the united states was a 5 and 10 is good and 1 is poor, now it's being said we're worse off than we were before because clearly this does not fit into russian interests. it has solidified a vladimir
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putin and bashar assad partnership in awe greater way than it was before. where would you put us right now in terms of that relationship? >> well, we're pretty close to the bottom, so i'm not sure this event, i guess, could go a little bit further. i think we need to wait and see about that. obviously, as you just reported, the prime minister criticized it. russia media criticized it. except of course when it's them in ukraine. i'm not sure putin is ready to give up on his ambition on of having a different kind of relationship with trump over this one incident. for the simple fact he has big agenda items he wants trump to deliver on. he wants trump to lift the sanctions, for instance. until they figured out whether that is lookly or not, i wouldn't say we're pivoting in
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some negative direction for a long term. i think we need to wait and see. and in particular see how they treat secretary tillerson in moscow next week. >> i have to say. yes or no, is this legal or not? >> probably not legal but consistent with a lot of other presidential attacks over the years, including president obama, president clinton, president reagan all did similar kinds of attacks. >> tough questions, i know you can answer those. >> thanks for asking. >> thank you, sir. today's editorials are littered with questions like, what's next? and under what authority did the president have to carry out these a strikes? reaction on capitol hill is mixed as well. republican and democratic lawmakers applaud the strike while others are questioning its legitimacy. take a listen. >> i want to applaud the president for taking action. it was justified. i want was necessary. >> i think they're illegal and unconstitutional. >> we as the american people
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should be concerned when any president of the united states launches an illegal and unconstitutional military strike against a foreign government. >> one focal point of the legality is the authorization for use of military force. otherwise known as the aumf. in response to 9/11, congress approved aumf using the president is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations organizations or persons he determines planned authorized committed or aided the terrorist attacks. joining us now democratic congressman of rhode island and sits on the house armed services committee. thank you so much, representative, for joining us on this saturday. i guess we'll start with the question i know you've been talking about. you're now in recess. it is something you're thinking about. did the president's actions fall under the aumf?
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>> good afternoon. i believe it did fall within the aumf. although i will say we need a new aumf to more clearly define what we are going after and to renew our focus and give proper authorization to actions going forward. but i support the u.s. response to the chemical attacks that president assad carried out against innocent civilians, including women and children that lost their lives. they should be held accountable. >> many would say by international standards that this was justified. but staying strictly on the domestic ability and what the law says for this president
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under u.s. law you said it does fall underneath aumf. yet the words i just selected do not seem to fit what the actions were. >> well i will say this. i would rather have more clarity in the conflicts we are facing, the enemies we are facing, how to deal with them going forward to make sure we have the right legal justifications in place. it is important for the president to come back to congress and work with us on a path forward. the administration should not just be going it alone. >> what is the sentence or two or idea or two that you would add to the aumf? >> well, those are the things we will be discussing. but i want to make sure that we are identifying the enemy combatants of various terrorist organizations and define the
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battle space more clearly. and our troops, to know they have the support from the united states congress and the american people to do what they're doing. it is important for morale and legal clarity. but, again, i condemn the strongest possible terms. the actions that president assad took in ordering use of chemical weapons against his own people and he needs to be held accountable. >> representative, you're calling it a war crime. i want to squeeze this in. you're back at home now recess. quickly, what are constituents saying about this attack? 80%, 90% against it or for it? >> there is awe high degree of support for the response that limited the attack. of course none of us want to see the united states be dragged into more broadly a war in the
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middle east. certainly no large presence of u.s. troops or boots on the ground. but this targeted response was appropriate. that's what we are hearing from constituents. now, not everyone is going to agree. >> right. >> i understand there may be some push back. but i think it was the right thing to do. >> from the great state of rhode island, thank you for joining us on a saturday. >> thank you. after this break, awe look at what happens to syria if and when bashar al assad is forced from power. and did this week's air strikes clarify u.s. policy in syria or make it murkier? hey, bud. you need some help? no, i'm good. come on, moe. i have to go. (vo) we always trusted our subaru impreza would be there for him someday. ok. that's it. (vo) we just didn't think someday would come so fast.
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priority. friday's missile attack, though, may show the opposite. but not without concerns of a power vacuum. caliperry joins us on on that very topic. >> take a look at this. this is the battle space. very quickly, what the u.s. is looking at with this chemical attack are jets leaving this airfield, coming to this area is and back. that's what they tracked on satellite. here's the battle space. it's a mess, richard. we have kept it exactly as it is. you can see what a mess it is in red. those are syrian controlled areas. what do we mean by controlled by the syrian government? controlled by the russian army. this is the battle space we saw by the chemical weapons used. it seems tactical maybe making up for the syrian army not being able to control this area. in red, that's what the syrian government controls. theories are the u.s. troops are. so you can see all the different groups. among the rebel groups, 100
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groups controlling 100,000 fighting individuals. not all of them get along. these are two port cities. that is what matters to the russians. they have created an anti aircraft battery system that extends all the way out to cyprus. >> this might remind you and others who reported from afghanistan in terms of its complexity when we talk about power struggle. what would happen if assad was removed? >> that's the big question here. bashar al assad is nothing more than a russian puppet. he is fighting for his survival. that may work in the favor of folks here in the united states who want his removal because there might be a political deal to be had. to be sure, assad was the darling of middle east leaders in 2008, 2009, and even into 2010. this crackdown that started between the syrian government
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and civilians of syria is a much wider area. it will have to be cleared by vladimir putin. >> you interviewed him. what is the thought in terms of what's going through his mind? >> this is a man fighting for his survival. i did an interview in 2008 in which he said he would make peace with israel. imagine that. this was the man who was going to change middle east peace pore ever. in 2011. -- that's a 2008 photo n. 2011, there was an uprising in dar ra. kids spray painting walls, anti-government slogans. there was a funeral. and i saw in this city of dara on the jordanian border, they opened up fire on this funeral procession right here. that changed everything. other cities skaeupl came up wi protests. what began as chants for reform
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were chants for an ouster. we are just talk building a russian puppet. >> great to have your perspective. you interviewed him 10 years ago. you look the very same. >> yes. . thank you. at least 21 donald trump tweets he called for the u.s. to get out or stay out of syria. and at one point he said this. there was no up side and tremendous down side. and he said stay out of syria. rebuild our own country. here's what then candidate trump said a week before election day. >> hillary and our failed war and the failed establishment have spent $6 trillion on wars in the middle east we never war and never end. now she wants a nuclear armed russia that could very well lead to world war iii. >> the president said it was the
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images of child victims that moved him to act this time and move away from national rhetoric which former opponent hillary clinton took note of. joining us now former state department official and steven cook from the council on foreign realizes. all right. we will get to that hillary clinton piece of sound later if we are able to get that for you. let's start with beth. when we look at what this means for the u.s. policy on the middle east and specifically syria at the moment which is so complex, we have to ask the question, does this president have a reconstituted or a new or evolving policy? >> well, he never had a clear policy to begin with. during the campaign we heard him say repeatedly he would go in and bomb the blank out of isis if he were president. but he said he wanted to pull back all of these international
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commitments, that sound bite you just played talk building $6 trillion in wars on the middle east. what are we doing? deploy the money closer to home, are he build our bridges. pretty much america first that got him elected he said he wanted to get rid of islamic terrorists in the middle east. he was always a little bit contradictory. now he has taken a third way. he has done what appears to be a one-off strike for purely humanitarian regions, seeing the beautiful babies which doesn't jibe with what he has 25ud about his political evolution. >> he was clearly looking at several potential lenses. humanitari humanitarian. and where does this fit into sprpbl law. and u.s. law specifically. how do you discuss it? >> well, i think president trump has been much more
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interventionist than many of us have given him credit for. he has dramatically increased the presence in the middle east. thousands of troops he sent to syria and iraq. he has had over 70 bombing runs in yemen. the famous raid was on his watch. it has been a significant increase of u.s. military presence and activity in the middle east. something that has been noticed overseas, i think the issue with russia is quite interesting. they start i think to be skeptical of president trump's ability to really meet his campaign rhetoric of trying to extra indicate from the middle east. they have acted accordingly. the visit with president xi is fascinating to me. it's not just that the united states has taken the gamble in the middle east. we have taken a huge gamble with can china saying china is not an
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important power. it is not even worth discussing this with the chinese leader until after dinner. so i think we're in for quite a ride in the middle east and around the world. china, russia and everywhere else. >> or over dinner itself. as we know, the attack happened while they were just finishing their meal this thursday, friday. stephen, on this, hillary brought up a point. the idea that this administration is more interventionist. but we also have to add in the word military. the budget we're looking at where this president wants to increase investments in the military yet decrease its investments in soft power versus, again, what i was mentioning, hard power. do you see this president being the nationalist? >> well, i think this is something that happens to all presidents. they want to focus on domestic
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policy agenda. but the world has an unfortunate way of intruding on that agenda. as hillary and beth pointed out, they ran on bombing the expletive out of isis. so there was always going to be an interventionist aspect of his foreign policy. we have seen that with increase in air strikes in yemen, iraq, syria. in preparation for taking the isis capital raqqa. although his core constituency was expecting something different, awe more restrained foreign policy in the middle east, i think it's been clear from the beginning that president trump had ideas about what he wanted to do in the middle east. it may not have been nation building or promoting democracy over the course of the last decade. but certainly using military force to advance american
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interests in the region was absolutely an option that he ran on is and that it seems he is making good on. >> beth, domestically seems to be doing it as a go it alone process, not necessarily reaching out too for the armed services committees and saying when i get your council. this did not seem to be the process. >> he was seeing images on television of children being gassed. that really affected him. this crisis has been going on years and years. 400,000 people have fled syria. that famous photo of the little boy drowned on the beach was a heart wrenching image. and this president said he doesn't want to bring them into this country as refugees. on the one hand so moved by children being gassed and taking this military action as a result basically out of context in any
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prior positions he has taken. and this isn't the first time the children have been grievously harmed in this conflict. >> yes or no to you. and i do have to go here. is this a new doctrine or world order or "way too early" to be using such words? >> i was in the bush administration. it reminds me of that. i think most of the world will look at it for worse. >> okay. thank you all. i appreciate it beth, hillary, steven. i owe you one over at the foreign realizeds on this saturday. after the break, the suspect in the deadly attack in sweden is now in custody. what investigators say they found that could have made the attack even deadlier.
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syncing with that policy. would trump go it alone on north korea and ignore china's historic gateway role to north korea? add to that, nbc learned presented the president with several military options if diplomacy fails. the options include placing u.s. nuclear weapons in south korea. or awe covert operation involving sabotaging infrastructure to slow down the nuclear missile program. max baucus former ambassador to china. where to start, the meeting itself. who came out the winner based on their unstated goals? >> i have been to a lot of these sum mitts. nothing happened. >> is that a win for the chinese? >> i think it is. clearly they got to know each other, met each other. the chinese team was able to
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meet the new guys. that helps. >> with this 100-day plan, what is it? >> well, let's see what it is. i don't think it will amount to much. it comes down to weather the united states stands up to china in certain areas where it is being too protectionist. >> did we stand up to china? >> not at the summit, no. >> why? >> we didn't show that we need business. >> the stick if you will. what do you mean of this three-point potential plan that is put out there. what do you make of it? >> first of all, number one, it should be off the table. no reason whatsoever to put nuclear arms in south korea. number two, extremely dangerous. i don't know that we have the capability to do that. number three, we'll just have to see. >> yeah. >> but the main thing is this. it's very important that the united states does all it possibly can to find a solution with china. china is the big player.
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they're the second largest economy in the world. they're there. it is very important to be very creative to work with china. chinas that not done much thus far. that's clear. we have to push more because the clock is ticking. >> better off or worse off after the summit, this relationship? >> well, i think it's better off. but frankly we'll see what happens. china played us. they're very good at playing us. >> davos is a good example of that. >> they are clever, smart. they have been around 1,000 years. they're not the new boys on the block. they've been here. >> some will say 3,000 or 4,000 but who is counting. thank you so much. great perspective. >> thanks, richard. power play. steve bannon and jared kushner are two of president trump's most trusted advisers. can-can they kpoist and if not who will win this apparent power struggle.
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it's not behind the scenes. it's a well documented white house power struggle. globalist jared curb tkpher versus steve bannon. things started heating up wednesday. the white house says he was only on there to keep an eye on michael flynn. the vice president insisted, though, it was not a demotion. this from the "new york times". mr. bannon resisted the move, even threatening to quit if it went forward. bannon tells nbc news that was total nonsense. bannon threatened to take his talents elsewhere. then 24 hours ago, "the wall street journal" reports a west wing shake-up is in the works. it could leave bannon and pry bus without jobs. the white house pushes back and says that is completely false. now to today, 2:00 p.m. hour eastern. a source confirms to nbc news a meeting was held between priebus, ban monday, and kushner. it ended with people feeling they were on the same page.
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sources close to bannan say he quote ain't going anywhere. as for the president, he's okay with that for now. senior political reporter for the huffing ton paste and msnbc contributor. laura, does that sound right? >> it does sound about right. unck there's two competing issues with trump. one is he kind of likes to try an late people. he likes to have different factions competing for his attention, husband approval. i think it keeps him in power. it's what he did as a businessman before getting into the white house. at the same time, i think having all of this news, all of these negative headlines creates to this qaa cough any of bad news about his white house and it's distracting from what he sees as the success he had this week with striking syria and with confirming gorsuch. i think at this point he's starting to get a annoyed with the infighting.
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>> josh, does that sound right is and who is trending up? >> it looks like jared kushner and the former president of goldman sachs, it looks to me those are the people winning the struggle. it is partly because, look, on obviously things have not been going great despite the president's assistance he has had an amazing 13 weeks even though he has only been president 11 weeks. >> two weeks off. >> the travel ban was rolled out way too quickly. it got struck down by the courts. and then the health care bill they couldn't get through congress. both of those had steve bannon's fingerprints all over them he was supposed to be getting members of the house freedom caucus on board and ultimately could not close that deal. partly this is happening because steve bannon and priebus are woefully under qualified for the jobs they hold. steve bannon successfully ran a medium-sized news website but
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never a large organization like a federal government. and even reince priebus, who is supposed to be the inside guy, he doesn't have government experience either. gary cohen has more relevant experience and it would make he would be coming out on top. >> laura, adding to that, jared kushner going to visit central command by invitation of central command who implemented the attack on one side. the other side is reportedly ban don was against it. it seems if that were the case, it is at least trending up. >> absolutely. you can see jared kushner's rise to power based on this syria decision. it went so well in trump's eyes it is going to continue to propel kushner upwards in the white house. as josh noted, bannon had a couple of failures with the travel ban and with the health care bill. now the decision has gotten trump a lot of positive attention in the media and in
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the establishment. and i think despite the fact that trump is constantly criticizing the media and the establishment he is desperate for their approval. so i think this week was a good one for jared kushner and we will see him exercise more and more influence in the white house. >> as he may do that here, josh. if the criticisms remain, donald trump will lose his quote, unquote base, his nationalist base as he moves down this road. if you look at jared can kushner and ivanka trump, this white house will become more moderate. >> maybe. in terms of losing the nationalist base, you see some of the alt-right die hards were upset about the syria attack. they wanted a more isolationist policy. they see this as a project for the globalglobalists. i'm not sure how large the el t electorate this acts.
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it could become a political problem for the president. i don't think just through this he has to worry about alienating his base. the problem is he still has to work with congress. conservative agenda, moderate, he wants to put up, he needs to build ako litigation in favor of that. it will be basically impossible to get the democrats to work with him on anything you have to get nearly all to agree with the president. that will be extremely difficult with either a conservative agenda. >> and when he looks at his national base, jobs. this is happening. global measures being undertaken by this administration. jobs continue based on what we saw friday in an unsavory way. have to leave it there. lawyer and josh, thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. >> all righty. as the two factions between the trump administration continue to fight it out, how divided are trump supporters. we'll take a look at the political backlash.
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president trump showed once again he's nothing like his predecessor, president obama. his launch of air strikes on a syrian air base on thursday underscored that. trump's willingness to act on syria has garnered him a lot of praise from even his toughest critics. but it comes at a price. the alt-right are unhappy with his decision after campaigning on an american first platform. joining me now is matt williams and campaign director for the center for american progress. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> emily, is this about him not -- this current president not wanting to be like his predecessor? >> it's a little bit unclear what it's about. he made a full 180 saying he would not intervene at all, saying the administration would not get involved and then going in with air strikes basically 24
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hours later. it's not clear if there's a strategy in play here, which is making people nervous. >> right. and part of this discussion about trump versus obama and their doctrines, quote/unquote here, ryan, did this president as he moved forward and went for the missile strike, was this more emotional? >> i think it was very clear what he had to do. he had to enforce the treaty that president obama had signed to work with the russians to get the chemical weapons out of syria. that obviously didn't happen. they used chemical weapons on his people. he showed that america will use force and it's the right move and he's getting credit for it. >> and senior obama officials are saying this is what they wanted. they did want action from president obama but he didn't do it. >> action in syria is very unclear. it's complicated and difficult to say where exactly we should be. we tried to arm the rebels. we do continue to see with isis
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there and it's a difficult situation all around and obama did not act in a decisive way. it appears it was based, number one, without a strategy and, number two, seeing the gas images, which are horrible. if he's going to act on the emotional, it's important to open up the option for refugees. >> is this, then, therefore, a bipartisan support for what happened? >> i wouldn't go that far. i think a lock of understanding and the back channel discussions with russia, if there's diplomacy happening, what the strategy is at all, if congress has authorized it, if they can discuss it. i think all of that is not clear. so the strikes without a strategy are very problematic and the refugee angle, the fact that he's saying he would look children in the face and say you can't come here is very much a part of this. >> what does this say here, ryan, about this the decision making from this administration
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versus the obama administration, the way such difficult, complex decisions are made. >> it shows that this president will act when needed. president obama set a red line on syria, if the use of chemical weapons was shown to be true, he said he would act. he ignored it. trump has gone in very quickly, decisively and showed that america will uphold agreements and act. >> emily, what is next? >> it's really hard to say what is next but i think we'll see a very full discussion, hopefully by congress and hopefully they do pick up the aumf discussion and engage with the administration about it. let's see a strategy. >> do you want the aumf edited? >> i think the strikes are within the law. he didn't send troops in. if there's going to be a further use of force, that would need to happen with the congress and the president would like to have that discussion. >> the most meat in three minutes. thank you both, emily, ryan. thank you so much. that's all for us this hour.
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imagine where it will take you. hello, everyone. i'm yasmin vossoughian. is the president starting to look at foreign policy and in the wake of this week's developments, what does assad look like. and clashing roles in the white house. can they make peace or will one of them have to go? we begin with nbc's kelly o'donnell who is near the president's mar-a-lago estate. the president has sent a letter to congress about his actions on thursday. what more can you tell us about that? >> reporter:oo
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