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msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons to a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you've never seen. lockup raw. >> these girls right here is my homeys -- >> damned right. >> some have been together four years and five years, long time on relationship. >> if male inmates look for sex in secret, we found a different story when we visited the north carolina correctional institution for women.
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>> a lot of needs and part of that is to feel someone cares about them and that has a lot to do with them bonding, because a lot of women have been abused, when first seen they see somebody they care about them, they run to it. they don't take time to see if that person is good for them or not. >> as a result, the prison places strict limits on intimate relationship. >> put space in between you all. >> it is a rule violation for inmates to have sex in prison. when we see it, they are punished because of that. we can't have it. >> but we met one group of inmates willing to share secrets for skirting the rules. they were led by dawn brasswell, heavy d. >> 10-4s is another inmate, i see chelsea, 10-4 while i go in there. >> she's going to fall out and
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have a seizure. >> you can get a pack of cigarettes and watch. some know what you are doing and don't care. you have some police down with the inmates and some against the inmates. >> while some inmates sneak away for quick sex, others like cathy and devon seek long term relationships. >> we've been together about two years and for a relationship in here it's good. >> when we met them, cathy was 42 years old and serving 14 to 17 years as a habitual felon with multiple counts of forgery and larsency and resisting officers. >> devon was 25 years old and serving 9 to 12 years for second degree murder. >> it was a man i lived with, robbery gone bad. i left the crime scene with the guy who killed him, it was a bad situation. >> but in prison, the two women
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seem to have discovered a comfort zone. >> you get in here and you don't have anybody or anything, so you sort of cling to somebody. >> women are more affectionate, looks like normal couples on the streets but it's all women. >> a new couple is like the staff sort of zone in on them, give them a hard time but then after a while it's like they just get used to seeing you as a couple and ease off. you can't kiss in front of them or do a sex act in front of them but they are not on you for every little thing. i respect the staff, they have their job to do. i don't cross that line. >> in spite of rules against it, cathy and devon appear to be a picture of domestic bliss. >> i'm the wife. >> we spend our money together, i shop and get our stuff and cook our food every day and make sure she has her stuff. we do everything together.
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everything. so whatever she's involved in, i'm involved in. >> that includes the family business. cathy and devon are not only lovers, they are loan sharks. >> whatever you give them, you owe them dollar. i started out with ten, pulled in $20 the next week and kept doubling until i got on my feet and got stable. and it's a good hustle. mostly everybody in here has some type of hustle because a lot of people don't have help from home. you have to survive in here. prison is not free. they give you three meals a day and bar of state soap and that's about all. >> your food, if you don't want to eat in the dining room, you pay for it. only jobs you can make money off of is probably 40 cents a day. it will never support you. so people do all kinds of stuff to make hustles they don't have somebody on the outside. >> there's all kinds of hustles,
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loan sharking is one of them. >> loan shark lovers insist they never use muscle to extract payment. >> if somebody doesn't pay me, i generally just -- i mark it up as a loss and don't deal with them and tell my friends don't do it. you've got some people in here that will bust them in a head with a lock or something. i ain't down with that. >> devin told us she used to run a riskier business. >> before her i had my own hustle that was pretty much staff related. yeah. i -- would find weak staff whoever i found in here because they obviously can't find somebody on the streets to get hooked up with and would play them to get some money. >> then what? >> i continue to get money. >> then she'd have them fired. >> devin believes the officer she seduced deserved their
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punishment. >> i have no remorse when it comes to that. i feel as though it's some time of perverted injustice, you come in here and think you can get a free -- off an inmate and have access to the free world. i've gotten a lot of money that way. yeah. i kind of cut that out in this relationship. >> yeah, no more. i'm retired. >> as close as cathy and devin were, they told us they have no illusions about a future together. >> up next -- >> i raul -- >> exchanging vows when the groom is locked up and later, when visitation includes sex, emotions run high. >> allowed to take one of those. >> you can't tell me i can't use my personal hygiene for my body. i need both of those. between you
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>> raul and latisha, today is a special day for both of you. because today marks the beginning of your new lives together as one. >> under the best of circumstances, marriage can be challenging, even more so when it begins behind the walls of one of the nation's most dangerous maximum security prisons. >> i can't even touch her or nothing. can't even consume mate the marriage. >> the groom has been in the pel can based state prison since age 18. >> i was involved in a street gang, drugs and violence and all
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of that. got in a shootout. there were six guys in the car that said i shot at and hit and all of that. she gave me six life terms for that. >> because of his gang affiliation, individuvidal is a to the secured housing unit where contact visits are not permitted. >> you stand free and apart from all of the people in this world and right now you stand within the charmed circle -- >> vidal and his bride were childhood friends and reconnected five years earlier. though it's unlikely vidal will ever be free, la tisha agreed to march rehim anyway, her son ruben stood in as the best man. >> she sees me, the person inside. she gave me her family. >> i raul take the latisha.
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>> to be my wedded wife, to have and hold to this day forward. >> i'm the black sheep of my family. i'm the only one that ever been to prison. >> i latisha take raul to be my wedded husband, to have and hold from this day forward. >> thinking about the sacrifice she made, how many she loves me to do something like that. >> as you take this ring and place it on her hand, raul, would you repeat after me, i give you this ring -- as a symbol of commitment to marriage. >> she knows that possibilities right now are slim to none and she is said today. >> first day of the rest of your life together and we would all hope that tomorrow would be even happier. you may kiss your lovely bride.
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>> though there will be no reception or first dance for this couple, the odds aren't totally against them. according to one study, unions in which one partner is incarcerated are less likely to end in divorce than a conventional marriage. >> it gives me the hope and feel the love. she's just a friend, i'm a friend and we just got married so to show love for each other. >> next. >> cuddling with a female makes you appreciate the things in life. >> a rare night of intimacy for a convict and his wife. i realize that ah, that $100k is not exactly a fortune.
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in lockup these visitations provided some of the most compelling moments in the series. >> and few visitations provide as much drama as conjugal visits when an inmate is allowed an overnight stay with his spouse. >> makes you appreciate the little things in life. >> when we met ron golden at california's kern valley state prison he was serving a 22 year sentence forearmed robbery and assaulted on correctional staff. he claimed his recent marriage to a childhood friend helped turn him around. >> before we were married, i was in a lot of fist fights and riots and whatever, in and out of the hole. >> golden's improved behavior earned him the right to a 46-hour conjugal visit with his wife in one of the prison's family cottages. before the visit begins, hope golden must pass through security. >> do you have your i.d.? >> it's in here.
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it's inside in an envelope. >> can you get it for me? >> when ron's wife hope showed up we thought we would get shots of her being processed coming through the metal detector, opening her bag, getting shots of her and the co going through her things and turned into a bit of a scene. >> baby oils can't go -- >> that wasn't on the list. >> that's a lubery kant. >> this isn't factory sealed. everything has to be factory sealed and this is not in a clear bottle and unopened and contains control. >> everything that is made like that has alcohol in it. >> everything that contains alcohol it specifies in the rules. >> everything has alcohol in it. >> after coming dangerously close to being denied her visit, hope is allowed to proceed to the prison's gated conjugal unit. >> it's good things and bad things you have to go through to get here.
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>> hope says the difficulties of a prison visit are worth it. >> i knew who he was before i started coming to see him at the prison and i liked him then. and we were friends first and and that's what made us bond as lovers even better and it was special because we didn't make love until we got married and that's submission i never did before. so i was happy about that too. >> what are you going to do for two days? >> we're going to have have fun. we're going to do a lot of exercise, jumping jacks and stuff. >> liar. >> golden is finally escorted across the prison yard to the family visitation center. his long awaited reunion with his wife is just moments away. >> i'm feeling marvelous, extremely excited.
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>> are you nervous? >> we ain't used to this. >> sometimes when a camera is in the room, people are not going to act naturally. and ron and hope both knew we would be there for the beginning of the conjugal visit. >> the crew was real nice, very pleasant. >> as i stood to the back of the room to get a wide shot i could hear them talking saying is he gone yet? is he gone yet? they wanted me out. >> but visitation is also bitter sweet. >> our crew saw how much so at indiana state prison when the family of inmate jerry bonds arrived for their first visit in months. >> to be honest, i grew up with two parent middle class home. you know, my brother and my older brother they all graduated from college.
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i just haven't -- go down a wrong road with selling drugs and living on the streets. >> bonds is serving 85 years for robbing a liquor store and killing the owner. >> i had two daughters at the time and my girlfriend at the time she was pregnant with my son. she was two months pregnant when i got locked up. >> that child was 8 when she shot at indiana. even though he had never lived with his father, eddie was missing him nonetheless. >> he actually didnshot a persod didn't mean to but when i see him again, i want to live with him and be with him together so he can go to the park and museum. >> his youngest son cries sometimes because he doesn't have his father around and there's some things he really needs to be in his life for. >> but bonds has had a tough time following the rules in prison as well.
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his last infraction was for attempted to ip intimidate an officer, that along with three urine tests that proved positive for marijuana cost bonds visitation privileges with his family. he had only recently gotten them back but with restrictions. >> so right now i'm on noncontact status, that's like through the phone and a glass. >> how do you react when your son told you he wasn't going to have contact visits any more? >> i was upset at first and even threatened him to not even bring the kids up right. very upset with him. as a matter of fact i was so upset with him i couldn't think straight. >> bonds acknowledged his actions both in and out of prison don't set the best example for his children. >> it's like how can i tell you to be good and stay out of trouble and every time you come to see me i'm on restriction from visits or i'm in trouble. they are like, well, you're kind
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of a hypocrite, you're not being good. >> our crew caught up with bonds shortly before his first visit with his children and parents in months. >> your boots look like shiny new. >> it is a special day. your family do come, they have come from so far. it puts a smile on their face to see you are doing okay. they worry about me in here. >> but first bonds would need to pass previsitation security measures starting with his freshly pressed clothes. >> may go ahead and completely disrobe. >> despite the fact he won't have physical contact, bonds like every other indiana inmate is strip searched prior to visitation. >> this time open your mouth and spread your cheeks apart. upper lip up, lower lip down. you look inside your nose, please. >> authorities must ensure that inmates are not attempting to pass contraband to the outside.
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>> turn back around. >> squat cough. go ahead and get dressed. >> meanwhile the bonds family has to pass through security as well. and even though it was nearly a three-hour drive to get here, jerry bonds senior feels it's worth it. >> when a person is down you have to be there for them. we try to relay back to jerry is that we hope you get out of here sometime soon and when you do get out, you know, pick up where you left off and show these kids that they are not just coming up here for nothing at all. >> i'm anxious, man. i want to see them so bad. i wish i could touch them and hug them but -- i guess this is better than nothing. >> finally, the waiting is over. >> what's up, man? >> how are you doing?
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look up, i can't get a smile. i ain't seen you in a while. high are you doing in school? >> what grade are you going into? >> third. >> the hardest part is like seeing him behind the glass and he's in here and stuff, so i really want him to get out. >> when his kids can't hug him like i told him he's hurting his kids. i can stand the hurt, sometimes kids can't. >> what's wrong? >> let me speak to her. >> what's going on? >> what's happening? how are you doing? >> staying strong? >> yes, sir. thanks for bringing them up for me, dad. >> no problem. >> i want to let him know we love him no matter what but make it easier on us when we come up here. we're in here with you. don't make it to where we are locked up being locked up, you know what i'm saying? >> hey, have i told you i love
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you. i love you and i'm sorry. >> limited to only 30 minutes the visit hardly seems to have begun when it's time to leave. >> i love you. you all be good. >> yes, sir. i'm praying and hoping that this is the last time they have to come up here like this and see me behind the glass because it is not a good feeling. it's not a good feeling. >> i just felt that when i don't see him anymore i get sad and when i see him again i get happy. >> i want him to be here and don't want him to be here. i want him to learn his lesson while he's here so when he comes home he knows right from wrong. >> as a mother i'd like to just touch him and are you okay? i want to give him a hug. i haven't been able to do that but i know one day i will. many people clean their dentures
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