or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. good morning. and welcome to politicsnation. president donald trump's order this week to strike syria may represent a break with his nonintervention foreign policy. here's trump on tuesday. >> i'm not, and i don't want to be the president of the word. i'm the president of the united states. and from now on, it's going to be america first.

>> and here is the president two days later on thursday. >> tonight i call on all civilized nations to join us in seeking to end the slaughter and bloodshed in syria. and also to end terrorism of all kinds and all types. >> so, okay. we figured there must be some politics behind this syria strike. let's ask brendan boil, a democrat from pennsylvania. he sits on the foreign affairs committee and our analyst, malcolm nants. let me go to the congressman second, but let me ask you, malcolm, we hear all kinds of things since the attack,

theories that this is all some kind of understood back and forward with russia to cover things. this is something necessary in that the president was genuinely moved when he saw the pictures of the victims of the chemical weapons attack by asaad. i mean, from your intelligence background, what does this attack, the air strike really mean from a military standpoint. >> well, it was clearly a demonstration of fire power. that's what the president intended to project. a demonstration that the united states has the ability to strike at any place and time. unfortunately for president trump, he doesn't realize we've been demonstrating that every day since 9/11. i mean, we've done over 7,000 air strikes. unfortunately, in order to get his message across, he pulled his punch.

he struck an iairfield. he left the runway intact. >> it was a running within the same hour. >> so what's the point? >> even worse, he did not strike any of the chemical weapons on the facility. >> so he struck none of the chemical weapons? >> no. >> didn't have that airport in any way down but for maybe an hour? so congressman, what is the politics here? is this some politics here? are we playing optics? how do you read this? you're on foreign affairs committee. what does this really mean, if anything, other than the theater of we're going to play tough? >> well, first it's great to be with you. i have to say trying to interpret or figure out the trump administration is a constant guessing game. no one really seems to know for sure including people who serve in his administration. just at the beginning of this week we had the trump

administration saying it was no longer u.s. policy to remove asaad. those were the words from the secretary of state of the united states. >> right. >> and then by thursday night we were launching 59 missiles into syria, although, as our fellow guest just pointed out, it appears militarily that strike achieved next to nothing and now the airport is back and running. so the politics of it, i think that clearly trump just wanted to send a message, but the only thing worse than not responding is responding in such a weak way as it appears that we've now done. i also, one thing i want to point out is the tremendous hypocrisy from a number of republicans in congress who four years ago vociferously opposed any action by president obama. some of those same folks such as mitch mcconnell are the loudest voices today praising from trump

did and calling president obama weak. the it's astounding>> not only was senator mcconnell opposed to it. donald trump was opposed to president obama doing exactly what donald trump did as president. but let me ask you this, malcolm, touching on what the congressman said. i saw a front page story in the new york times this morning. that the trump doctrine may be no doctrine. i mean, when the congressman said, it runs contrary to what'venwhat even a lot of people were expecting saying. it's appearing his doctrine is no doctrine, like we just don't know what he's going to do. >> we don't know what he's going to do, because he has no strategy. that's part of the doctrine. what is his core value with regards to application and force and diplomacy, but you have to map this stuff out. it doesn't appear he's doing that. he seems to have been running on

emotion. second to what the congressman said, last week we had the secretary of state, tillerson, saying no involvement in syria. than an erair strike. now nikki haley is saying regime change is on the table. right now we did a sanitized strike. didn't cost any american airmen their lives, but from this point forward it could. >> congressman, when you think of the fact that this week tuesday rex tillerson is going to be in moscow, and he's going to be there engaging with the russians, a lot of people are saying, well, this may have been something like a wink, wink between the russians and president trump to make them look like they are not in collusion together. what will you be looking for in terms of tillerson's trip to

indicate to you whether or not there's a real bond here or whether, in fact, there's been some division on the policy in syria and others? because as malcolm just said, if you have rex tillerson saying no engage, now nikki haley bringing up regime change, what about this trip will bring clarity? what do you as a member of the foreign affairs committee going to be looking for to gain collar thety? >> i'm not sure that we'll get much clarity from rex tillerson's trip over there just because kind of what malcolm was saying before. donald trump really has no ideological rooting. i've said before not just on foreign policy, but on domestic policy as well, trump is really not a conserve thetiative or ren or democrat. he's a trumpist. his ideology, if he has one, is

to do whatever is in the best interest of donald trump at all times, and consistency be damned. it's not beyond trump for rex tillerson to go to russia this week. perhaps he will, and i hope he will, say the right things, especially as it comes to not just syria but when it comes to standing by our nato allies such as ukraine and our other european allies. at the same time, rex tillerson could then come back to the u.s. and donald trump say something that completely contradicts exactly what the secretary of state said. that is the kind of world that we're living in now in the trump administration. it's really unlike any other previous administration either republican or democrat. >> well, you mean secretary tillerson will be lucky if mr. trump waits for him to come back before he says something. >> that's a good point. >> malcolm, you brought up ambassador nikki haley. look look at what she said on

friday. >> it could be that russia is knowingly allowing chemical can weapons to remain in syria. it could be that russia has been incompetent in the efforts to remove the chemical weapons. or it could be that the asaad regime is playing the russians for fools. the world is waiting for russia to reconsider its misplaced alliance with bashar assad. the united states will no longer wait for asaad to use chemical weapons without any consequences. those days are over. >> so we hear some pretty strong language from senator haley about what asaad is doing. no news to the world, but strong language. and a direct hit at russia. something that many of us are saying are they playing a script here with russia, or is this

real? and we'll see where it goes. >> well, the it's quite a challenge to answer that question. because nikki haley is playing a very strong role as u.n. ambassador to the united nations -- u.s. ambassador. her script is very good. what's interesting about it is the it's a very old script. it's the same script we've been saying about russia for almost 70 years. however, rex tillerson who is supposed to be the point man for diplomacy, doesn't even appear to be on the stage, and then we get mixed signals from within the white house that perhaps this is going to be russia will come in and intervene and they will eventually reward russia with the lifting of the sanctions if russia does something about this chemical weapons issue. when it appears to be a form of kabuki. one side is showing one side and the back channels are showing another thing and the air strike showed we have paufr but we won't really hurt you. >> congressman, as you go

forward serving in foreign affairs in the foreign affairs committee and serving your constituents and we look at what is going on in syria and all of us outraged, all of us horrified by what we see, the issue becomes if asaad who is already back attacking in the very same area, using the same airfield, what is the next step? do we get more and more involved, or do we just leave it where it is and basically a nec to nothing attack, because we're afraid we'll get involved like libya and there's no way out or like iraq where you are in the hole quagmire there? i mean, what do we do or what don't we do as one sitting there in the congress that ultimately you're going to have to weigh in on this? >> well, as you mentioned, i serve on the foreign affairs committee as well as the middle

east sub committee. so having had a number of hearings into this issue, i can tell you the statistics are horrific. over the last four or five years as part of the syrian civil war, we've had over 500,000 people killed, many of them innocent civilians. we've had over 12 million syrians displaced, become refugees. 12 million. that's slightly more than half of the population of the country. and it's had a destabilizing effect on the politics of most european countries. indeed, i would question and argue that you probably don't have a president trump if you didn't have the terrorist attacks that we saw in paris and in belgium and the whole rise of the refugee issue. so i -- clearly we've had no policy toward syria. that has been kind of -- and by the way, no one has been the

bigger culprit in that than congress over the last four or five years. when president obama wanted congress to rise to the occasion completely ducked the issue because of difficulties. the time for ducking is over. and i think specifically on one potential solution, even though all the options are ranging from bad to worse, i really think we should now explore finally the safe zone option. this is something that secretary gates and hillary clinton argued for within the obama administration about four years ago. they were rejected. president obama decided not to go in that direction. but as we move forward recognizing that there's going to be no end in sight to the syrian civil war -- >> and i think that's the problem. i'm going to have to cut you off, because i'm out of time. i think that's the time. there's no end in sight and no real doctrine, and when you look at the fact that as you say, the refugee crisis there in the middle east, and in syria, but

then you match it up with the president now saying he was horrified by what he sees, but no syrians come here, because my immigration policy doesn't match my humanitarian feelings, it doesn't look like there's going to be a resolve to this that makes a lot of sense. at least in the terms of consistency. thank you, congressman boyle and malcolm nantz. coming up, it took 14 months since the death of antonin slee ya. and now the united states supreme court is back to nine members. but republicans had to change senate rules to confirm him. will that come back to haunt them? that's next on politicsnation. do you play? ♪ ♪

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on this vote, the is are 54. the nays are 45. the nomination of neil. gorsuch of colorado to be an associate justice of the supreme court of the united states is confirmed. >> welcome pack to "politicsnation". the u.s. attack in syria got us distracted for a couple of days while some of the major news happen third down week. the confirmation of supreme court neil gorsuch. the jobs report for march, and what seems to be serious infighting among white house staffer. just to name a few of the stories that have been kind of not center stage. joining me now is gabriel levy of the u.s. news and world

report. let me start the with gorsuch. the senate actually changed the senate rules in order to confirm him. he will be the only one of the 1999 sitting on the supreme court that did not get 60 votes. what are the implications of that? >> well, it's actually not true. clarence thomas who was confirmed by a narrower margin, but we all know there were more complicated things going on with that. >> what was clarence thomas's margin? >> 52-48. that had to do with the scandal around the elected sexual harassment of anita hill. with gorsuch, this was politicked. you have on the one hand, republicans saying this is somebody who is a mainstream jurist. he is very much in the mold of

justi justice scalia who he was he's going to be replacing. democrats saying guy is far right, and the seat was stolen from garland. the it's not that there were real issues on gorsuch himself. it comes down to the fact that republicans basically sold everything out to get a republican elected last year so they could have this seat. >> see? i think that's the real issue, and i raised it on this show, and other of my work about gorsuch's vote around supporting big business, dealing with a specific case of a driver that was fired, but i had some problems and questions around his legal history, but the real problem for a lot of us is this is the senate just openly

defying a sitting president in barack obama's nomination, stalling it for a year, not even giving him a hearing, and now changing the rules to put in who they want. i think that's the real issue here, and clearly an affront to a lot of people in this country, including me. >> well, they blame harry reid in 2013 for changing the rules for everybody but the supreme court. it's unclear whether or not this is basically going to really change the senate in a more serious way if they decide to then take the next step which would be to remove the filibuster for everything, for legislation, and nate silver had an analysis of this this week. it basically says if the republicans end up losing the majority in the senate, they're the ones who are more likely to lose out on not having the filibuster. they've used it more effectively

in the past where they have really managed to use the filibuster in an effective way. the democrats haven't done it as often. >> i'm going to run out of time, and i want to get to the in fighting in the white house. i first want to get to something that got very little attention. that is the very weak job numbers. only 98,000 new jobs in the month of march. now, this is an administration that bragged about the first two months, many said but those were from the first one from the obama presidency, the second, because the economy was doing well. now all of a sudden you've gone all the way down to less than 100,000 jobs that's really affected the unemployment number. here's the president saying i'm a job creator. he's gotten the worst job numbers we've seen in a long time. >> he's taken credit for a lot of the announcements of major

companies like ford and gm and even exxon mobil which his secretary of state, rex tillerson, spent 40 years there. but ultimately, this is a big country with a big economy. it takes a very, very long time for any policy changes to effect the economy. so we're seeing the really strong numbers coming out of president obama's administration, and the stock market showing a fair amount of confidence. and it seems like for whatever reason, whether or not it's wall street losing confidence in trump's ability to get done the things that he promised when it came to reducing regulations and cutting taxes, i think we're getting to the point where it's starting to be more of a reflection on trump's presidency as opposed to hangover from the last administration. >> we're getting trumped. we're finally in the trump era, and it seems like the picture is not what it was under president obama. i need to ask you quickly, we're out of time.

the infighting. we're hearing jared kushner, the president's son-in-law, is in this fight with bannon, the arch conservative. they had a meeting to make up. are you hearing anything? what's going on? is it a truce? is it just cosmetic that they're trying to make up? what's going on? >> well, it's hard to know what's true out of this administration, because sources sell one person one thing, and allies of another person tell another. we won't really know for sure until something happens if bannon leaves or if he doesn't. but what seems like has changed throughout the weekend is chief of staff reince priebus no longer seems like he's on the way out the door, at least for the moment. the white house is trying to make a play for looking like they're going for compromise and more conciliation with the country as opposed to bannon's america first style. so we'll see whether or not it actually -- he ends up kicking

him out. but right now we'll have to wait and see. >> all right. thank you. up next, soda giant pepsi was forced to can an ad that promoted forgiveness and camarader camaraderie. what is the lesson from this story? that's coming up.

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i want to say to the community in particular that the police department is absolutely dedicated to the consent to create process. i know the mayor wants this as well. it will make us better and make the city better and make our relationships with the community better. the policies and the procedures, they guide their conduct and decisions, they have to be sound enough so that 23-year-old police officer at:00 in the morning is makinghe right decisions on behalf of the community and on behalf of our profession and organization. >> earlier this week i wrote an

op ed for the huffington post criticizing the attorney general, jeff sessions' recent decision to subject 14 police reforms consent decrees to review by the department of justice. the decision threatens a key aim of the obama administration, so reform discriminatory police practices in the aftermath of the unrest we've seen recently in cities like ferguson, missouri, and baltimore, maryland. joining me now is sheyrln eiffel. she had a lot to do, as i can tell you in all of the meetings, with moving the obama administration forward on many of these issues. she's live with me today from baltimore. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you. >> give us your assessment of

what this means for the attorney general to now order review of consent decrees, and of police reform that many of us helped to work with and even push the obama administration to begin. >> thank you, reverend al. it has to be put in context. you and i know what's happened over the last few years, and the way in which an issue that has long been living within the american community has come to the front of american life. that's the important issue of unconstitutional policing, police brutality and the need for police reform. and that conversation has really moved to the forefront, and reform is taking place in a number of places. key to that reform has been the role of the department of justice, and investigating unconstitutional policing in places like ferguson, baltimore,

and chicago. releasing findings about it, and in case of some of these jurisdictions, enter into consent decrees which are essentially agreements that are judicially enforced that require police departments to make certain kinds of changes to ensure they're engaged in constitutional policing. what the attorney general has done is in the middle of this momentum, he's dropped into it with a kind of retro 1980s perspective about policing and crime, and he's determined, specially, to pull the department of justice out of the reform and the momentum of the reform effort. >> now, i think part of the thing that i want our viewers to understand is that when we get consent decrees in a ferguson or baltimore, there is an investigation by justice, and they find that there is a history, a pattern and practice of discrimination.

that's not just somebody making an accusation. they look and find out there is a history here, and it is a violation of law to have a discriminatory practice here. what he's really reviewing is the findings of his own justice department, which was the justice department before he was in charge. their finding of illegal targeting, and he says no, let's hold back and review this. i mean, this is really, really a deep thing he's doing here. >> reverend charloesharpton, yot the nail on the head. this is about the obligation of the attorney general under the law enforcement misconduct statute. the statute that was passed as part of the 1994 crime act in response to the assault on rodney king and the unrest that resulted from that result and from the original acquittal of the police officers.

this statute was created to give the department of justice, the attorney general, the authority to investigate unconstitutional policing, misconduct by law enforcement and to sue local police departments for those constitutional violations and then to engage in consent decrees to resolve the disputes. this is a legal obligation. this is not about the policy of mr. trump, the president, or the opinion about crime fighting by attorney general sessions. the statute, 42 usc 14141, is the law enforcement misconduct statute. that's the focus. it's not focussed on illegal immigration or drug trafficking. it's designed to address the issue of unconstitutional policing. when attorney general sessions turns away and says he wants to investigate consent decrees and says he believes the baltimore one isn't sound, he's essentially walking away from his legal obligation as the

attorney general to protect communities against unconstitutional policg. >> and the evidence that uncovered by the justice department. >> yes. by the justice department, their own findings. >> and you and i were among the few civil rights leaders that led with him. we were not surprised at this. but i think that the glaring stepping aside from the findings of the justice department needs to be pointed out. it's also interesting to me that some of us that worked with the obama administration in pushing these things took a lot of flak, obama is not doing anything. now that sessions and them are undoing it, you can't undo what wasn't done. maybe people will at least understand how far we were able to push the ball now that it's being pushed back. let me go back to another issue i have to ask you. you are the legal mind to me, of the civil rights community. and that is gorsuch. you did an extensive report as

did the lawyers' committee on gorsuch. the a lot of people are saying well, and i had a guest on saying it was not gorsuch history as much as it was politics and what was done in terms of disregarding garland and all that was the sticking point. but you've pointed that there are some real red flags in gorsuch's history. >> well, no question about it. i'm so glad you've come back to that. it's convenient for people to say it's all politics. we took quite a bit of time, weeks, months, more than a month, so to the review extensively his record and to present a report on his civil rights record which you can find on our website, www.naacpnaflegaldefense.org. it concerned us. i think you're going to see after judge gorsuch is sworn in and becomes justice gorsuch,

you'll see who he is. he is, as he has been billed, as conservative as justice scalia, and in some areas more. we were just talking about policing reform. one of the things that troubed us in judge gorsuch's record is his willingness to grant and support qualified immunity for police officers who have engaged in excessive force, including one police officer who killed a 22-year-old man by tasering him in the head even though this man was running away from him, was unarmed, and was only believed to have been growing marijuana. there was another case in which judge gorsuch granted immunity to a police officer who broke the collarbone of a nine-year-old in a school. we're going to find out very soon what this means for the court, but from our perspective, this was really about judge gorsuch's record, and not just about the politics of it. of course, there's no way you can forget what was done with regard to president obama's ability to pick a supreme court

justice, but his record is troubling. i think we'll have an opportunity to see what this does to the supreme court and what this does to interpretations about critical civil rights issues that we care about. >> thank you souch f joining us today. i know you're going t palm sunday, so i appreciate you stopping by. >> i am. >> a quick update. last week we interviewed ella jones, a council woman in ferguson, missouri, who was running for mayor. on tuesday she lost. mayor knowles was reelected with 57% of the vote compared to jones' 43%. but voters also approved a proposal to add strict police body camera requirements to the city charter. let's hope the town of ferguson continues to recover from the trauma three years ago of the killing of michael brown and some form of justice comes to

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national action network, she was honored by none other than president obama himself. joining me now is activist and aspiring public servant, mary pat hector. good morning, mary pat. >> good morning. how are you? >> i'm great. now, one of the things that we keep hearing around the country is that youngeople are not getting involved. many are disallusioned. but you're 19. you're running for the city council in stone crest. in fact, your opponent tried to say you were too young to be on the ballot. you fought and got the decision that you could run and you have convinced enough of the voters that you made the runoff. you came ahead of two other candidates. and there are young people all over the country that are running. many of them you're having at the convention, so to the show

that many in the civil rights community have started organizing, and actually, young people are engaged in the system. >> yes. i mean, you look at the different people even within our organization like carlos chavertz. arena karanian, running for city council at 20 years old in florida. young people want to be involved in politics. they want to see a change within their community, but i think the political climate that we're seeing currently in our country has really pushed them to do just that. and i believe that young people just need more support from people in the community to say that you can do this. i'm happy to say that's working in my counity. i've made the runoff for city council, but now it's more than just that, ensuring that more young people get involved. because we don't have a choice. we can't afford them not to. >> that's what excites me about you and others running.

not because you come with our network, but it's counterculture over an lot of young people we're meeting from other groups that is counter to what is being said, young people are just angry just angry and dropping o but they're really -- you're still a teenager. they're really saying, no, we can lead. we can govern. now you started at 11 years old fighting gun violence, and you've gone all the way to being praised by president obama. you built our youth department. i mean, there's no comparison between anyone that led our youth department before you came on. you've actually organized real young people in scores of cities, so you've proven leadership ability. how do you sell to people older, vote for me, i can govern, i know what i'm talking about. how do you sell that at a young

age? >> the truth is, reverend sharpton, you cannot really continue to associate age with experience. i've been very open with the voters in my community and informing them that i am the only person in my race that had the opportunity to sit at the table with president obama and discuss criminal justice reform. i'm the only person in my race that had an opportunity to work wi cities united and national leag of cities which is comprised of mayors all across the city that worked towards creating programs for black male achievement and communities of color. when you think of young people it's important not to associate age with experience. that's something that i'm encouraging young people all across the country to really do. once you look back through history, it's the young people and the seasoned leaders that work together to impact change in our community. that's what i've been pushing the voters to understand. >> we're going to be watching. thank you so much for joining us. she'll join us here in new york

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not. the story that we believe is jesus rode in on a donkey and the crowds were praising him and laying palms yelling hosanna, hosanna and celebrating him and uplifting him, but that same crowd in a few days turned on him and called for him to be crucified. but then a few days after that we believe he rose again. the message for you on palm sunday, whether you christian or not, is don't get too intoxicated with praise and good days and when you're on the up because use a good day, use a day of praise to prepare you for a day that's coming where it's not going to be that good and where the same people will be turning on you but don't give up there because you'll rise again if you stand for something and believe in something. behind every crucifixion can be a resurrection if you don't get smothered with the palm on a

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