about something. thank you for joining us. appreciate that. that will do it for this hour here in new york. i'm steve kornacki. it is now coming up on 5:00 on the east coast and that can only mean one thing. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's thursday, roger stone tells us what is not in his bag of tricks. tonight one-on-one with the self-proclaimed dirty trickster of. >> this is a bare knuckle exercise in american democracy. >> eye talk exclusively with republican strategists and long time adviser to president trump. roger stone. >> nobody puts words in donald trump's mouth. i know because i tried to do it. >> we'll cover it all from russia collusion -- >> at the end of the day, poof is what matters. >> sometimes stone ally steve bannon. >> now he is alone. >> what's being called the mother of all bombs.

the u.s. drops its largest non-nuclear bomb ever in afghanistan of the. >> i authorized my military. we have the greatest military in the world of the. >> this is mtp dmtpdale and it s right now. >> good evening. welcome to "mtp daily." the political world is still reeling from a braung of what some are calling flip-flops from president trump. others might say it is evolution or people changing their positions to trump. we know this. he is changing his mindn china as currency manipulator. janet yellen's performance and the role of nato among other things. these policy changes are extraordinary and yet at the same time not that shocking. many predicted some of these shifts throughout the campaign. . campaigned against him saying, he is going to flip on x or y or

z. i think many didn't think he would flip on x, y and z. we'll get into it. tonight we have a special guest, roger stone. long time adviser to president trump who has been at the heart of allegations of ties between trump campaign and russia. here's a quick primer on who exactly is roger stone. he's been involved in republican politics and pulling electoral high jinx since the 9/11on era. he ran the firm. i know what the former campaign manager. they were very much involved in the rise of ronald reagan in the 1970s and '80s. stone first met trump in the 80s. stone was the director of the presidential exploratory committee in 1999 when he ran for the reform party. and stone was a part of most recent before departing. stone kept fighting for trump, pushing hits against the

republican field and eventually against hillary clinton. stone's most prolific line of attack on clinton was peddling bill clinton's history with women and alleging that bill clinton father ad child as a result of an extra-marital affa affair. as of lately, he's been facing allegations. here's what we do know about their contacts with mr. stone. stone has acknowledged exchanging twitter direct messages but says the contact was liptd to benign pleasantr s pleasantries. >> i actually have communicated with assange. i believe it pertains to the clinton foundation. but there is no telling what the october surprise may be. >> recently, stone characterized his contact with assange as merely communications through an

intermediary with no direct contact. he has said he will testify before the house and senate committees and he wants it with cameras. .to him this afternoon and asked about his role in the trump campaign and the allegations of russian involvement. >> let's talk about your role in this campaign a little bit. first of all, you're knowns a self-proclaimed dirty trickster. why do you think you've earned that reputation? >> i think democrats may have said that. >> you embrace it of the politics ain't bean bag. this is a bare knuckle exercise in american democracy. they said lincoln had, you know, african-american american bastard children of the they attacked cleveland. so politics is always rough and tumble in this country. but i'll tell you one trick

that's not in my bag. treason of see, that crosses a line. so i resent the inference that i have colluded with the russians. >> why wouldn't you be a suspect? if you were in the position of investigators or journalists and here's a guy, roger stone. a reputation for dirty tricks. some you say are childish or buffoonery when you were 19 or 20 but even more sophisticated over time. why wouldn't you think of yourself as a suspect? >> i think i suspect that's why some are trying to imply that i've done things, i'm a perfect -- >> do you think your reputation brought you here? >> perhaps. but at the end of the day, proof is what matters. evidence. not conjecture or supposition or projection. >> well, two things that hit you hard nuxt one has to do with

your communications. so let's address that. >> so the inference that my brief and now entirely public -- >> it is entirely public because you've told us it is entirely public. how do we verify that? >> i've released everything i have. if in fact i'm under surveillance as the times repoedn january 20th. >> peel that you're talking on? >> either way, i would have been surveilled. the story, i believe the headline is wiretap data utilized in probe of trump aides. they changed the headline in the online edition. >> it is not clear that you're the target of. >> it says three aides were under surveillance and names carter page, whoever he is, paul manafort and roger stone. so i would say based on three things. one, the content of the exchange which i've released, the timing of the exchange, six weeks after

the release by wikileaks of the dnc documents, and the circumstances, who would conduct espionage on twitter? no one. >> if you're -- >> i don't see the guccifer is a russian asset. look around. there are more their business that than stay kennedy assassination. >> you can go to the internet and find a lot of theories. let's talk about guccifer of you don't know he's russian but he's looking the pass this information to the trump campaign of the why wouldn't he contact you? wouldn't that be smart? >> yeah. but in this case he didn't contact me. i contacted him. >> why? >> i read that he had been banned on twitter and then he was reinstated. i'm against censorship. i think everybody should have a voice regardless of where they are. so i congratulated him for being

returned to twitter. the rest of this exchange is like the classic washington belly rub. there's nothing there of any substance. >> okay. that would be one. you can pass that off as circumstance a. the podesta tweet. it was done before anybody in the public square knew that podesta's e-mails were in the hands -- >> and i didn't know it either. we only know that from your denial of. >> nor in the public record nor any place do i say i had podesta's e-mail of. >> when i say his time in the barrel will come, it is based on my knowledge, research documents i've seen about his business activities in eastern europe. and it is clear they are going to become public, meaning public scrutiny which is what i meant. and between the time i tweet that in the election, there's over 100 stories including the "wall street journal," bloomberg and others. so to say this means stone knew that his e-mail would be hacked and released, no, it doesn't mean that. >> if you're an investigator and

you know the russian interfered, you've pretty confident the russians interfered. you've had twonnocuous attacks. one they believe guccifer, it turns out it is a gold mine of political theft in the history of the presidential policies. do you understand why you're a suspect? >> no. you don't have any evidence. to claim that i knew about the hacking of podesta's e-mail in advance because i picked his business activities would come under scrutiny, that would be supposition. >> how do you explain your conversations with mr. assange? >> i didn't have any conversations with him. there's a treasure trove of documents, information about hillary clinton and that they would release them in october.

they did and they did. i never made any claim beyond that. i did speculate that they had 22nd the clinton foundation. that was only partially true. >> if you look at all of these little circumstantial evidences, paul manafort's work, yes, you had limited work but you had some ties. and you have the conversations that i had on twitter. this source that you have that talked to julian assange. again, one or two pieces of this could be tossed away as coincidental. we're now at four or five different ones. >> there's to evidence to effect the election. number one. and number two, i give john pod dlaeft credit for this. it is he and his brother and bill and hillary clinton who are in bed the oligarchs around clinton. not much of that got pressed

because we're so busy trying to find put to donald trump were colluding. >> do you believe in some american, familiar with american politics, helped julian assange with those e-mails? they were awfully well organized. >> i have no knowledge of that. >> i wasn't asking if you have knowledge of that. do you think it is likely? >> not necessarily. >> do you think big government -- >> based on the record, i think the russians understand american politics the least. it is not something they're terribly adept at of the and i reject the idea that assange is a russian asset. i understand our intelligence agencies like that narrative. but even fbi director comey in front of house intelligence committee said we've assessed that he has used some kind of cut-out. that seemed pretty loose to me. when they say assessment, that means they don't know. it is a prongs of will.

>> in assange's case, hey, we'll dump it all. you decide what's relevant of we're not here to curate. the minute you become a curator, that's when iter has some level sophistication. and this had the next level of sophistication. >> eye not sure that you're right. i read the terrace it came out. the clintons had been in government for 30 years. and even mrs. clinton serving in the most recent obama administration. donald trump has not been in government. he is also not a uts utser of e-mail. so assange could have released information of the. >> if some evidence was proven that the rusans were trying to help donald trump get elected, that donald trump didn't know? what should be the consequence? >> you're asking me the answer

to a hypothetical question. the first thing learned in politics is not to do that. there's no evidence. if somebody produces evidence, that someone on the trump campaign acted illegally to collude with the russians to affect the election, that person should be punished. i have no knowledge of that and it certainly doesn't describe my activities to help donald trump. >> why do you think the intelligence committee is so sure that something nefarious happened here? at least people who had associations? >> i think they're hysterical to find a shred of proof or some case they can make. otherwise it would be clear that the surveillance on some was politically motivated. that's watergate types ten. theon difference is in this case they used the government to do the spying rather than a small band of misfits. >> do you feel bad at all for pushing the ted cruz story so much? the assassination story?

>> if you have read my book -- >> i did read it. >> a whole chapter, i think i made a pretty good case. ted cruz is a slippery guy. >> you believe this is true. >> the photograph that was featured in the nation"national enquire enquirer". i think his father -- i think he's a shady character. how often is the "national enquirer" getting folks at no trump? >> some of the stuff is so off base that i don't think it is true. other stories seem to be right on the money. they of course did break the john edwards story. i nev met the man. >> have you ever been a source? >> ye >> you have? >> yes. because i know report here's work there. >> successful story meaning something that you believed was true, you got it throughout and it was proved to be right? >> something that was true, yes. >> ever knowingly pushed a false

story? >> no. but you don't ignore a media outlet that has 6 million readers even if it is the "national enquirer." >> at what point do you trust them, 50/50, whether they're right or wrongful? . would put they will in the same will realm as "the new york times" and the "washington post." they occasionally get it wrong too. sometimes they're honest mistakes. other times they're ideologically driven mistakes. >> what is the -- is there any part of this story that concerns you? are you concern that had the russian does try to infiltrate? >> i haven't seen any evidence that would hold up in a u.s. court of law. i don't know general flynn. never met the man. had no interaction with him at all. i don't think i would have gone to an rt banquet if i had been invited. i would have gone to their program. i would go anywhere to someone

who will let had you speak and not say wait a minute. >> i let you speak. >> i still don't see any evidence of you the collusion. >> given all the legal problems you may be facing in the next six months, any regrets? >> i don't think i'm facing any legal problems. no. i don't. there's no evidence whatsoever that i had any collusion with the russians. >> everything here was just happenstance. >> yes. absolutely. and i am very anxious to appear before the house and senate intelligence mmittee. i'm asking for no immunity. it must be on television we'reot doing this behind closed doors. there is nothing better than waking up in the morning and seeing two congressmen kicking you around like a football. i should have the same right, the same forum. >> we'll have more of roger stone ahead including what he thinks of president trump's many flip-flops just this week. iddle.

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flip-flops. that the president puts leveraging the chinese when it comes to the north korea nuclear threat above taking to task for currency manipulation and trade irregularities. it doesn't mean he won't do those things. it just means the north korean situation has higher priority. he thinks since 1988, our partners in nato should pay their fair share. nato was formed at a time when we were wealthy and they were broke. >> he was pushing back more on what was the purpose of nato a couple months ago. now he says, no. >> on syria, what we have is a very surgical strike. controversial, yes. if that extends itself to a broadened, you know, boots on the ground conflict, then that would be a violation of trumpism. >> i don't want to overread your

body language. when you said syria, it kind of had an eye roll. >> i have supported donald trump because i honestly believe as he noninterventionist. and he is a break the bush-clinton, bush-obama tradition of the neo cons to go out looking for endless foreign wars where our inthe harnlt national interest may not be clear. perhaps in the case of syria, because the important signal that it extent north koreans, the iranians, the chinese, it may have been irresist tabl. whether to change the outcome in syria is not clear. if the president were to go to a wider war, were to take the advice of general mcmaster and presumably, general mattis, to send 150,000 troops into the next quagmire, that would be a mistake. >> there seems to be a battle -- >> the president doesn't seem to be inclined to do that. >> there seems to be a battle in the west twoing influence the

president's ideology, if you will. some would say he doesn't have an ideology so the posturing and the battle is you a that more important. >> well, nobody puts words in donald trump's mouth. i know because i tried to do it for 40 years when i worked with him. he doesn't operate off talking points prepared by somebody else or focus groups around tables. he speaks from the heart and he chooses his own path. some people who work for him may not know that yet. he is his own man and he is going to make his own decisions. that said, he has for whatever reason chosen to surround himself with a, the larger currents that got him elected. and therefore, they may be trying but at the end of the day, donald trump is very accessible. he is very inquisitive and he makes up his own mind. >> so what do you make of steve

bannon -- you're bannonite. you're a friend of his and you share more of his ideology than perhaps mr. kushner or mr. priebus fefls getting out, what does that tell you? >> first, i think steve made an error by not spending any of his political capital to bring other trumpites and nonglobalists into the circle. >> he didn't do a good job of staffing white house. reince priebus he and will jared kushner did. >> yes. so now he's alone and i think unfair unfairly, he takes the wrap for the fiasco surrounding health care. maybe reince should be sharing more of that. >> this is your take, by walking away, it is a bad decision. >> i would have do you mean out and said i'm really disappointed that paul ryan's bill failed and i'll have bill ready in a couple weeks. it makes no sense him attacking the freom caucus.

these are his natural allies. their world view is closer to trump's word view. >> so that was my discussion with roger stone. you can see the full interview on our website, unedited. it will be in our podcast. you can download all that. and we'll have reaction to stone's comments just ahead with our panel. is to always keep track of your employees.r micromanage them. make sure they're producing. woo! employee of the month!

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years, you will see there is a tremendous difference. >> was president trump saying that on some of this stuff he has said the military leaders can make the decision on the details. military officials do not immediately know how many isis fighters were killed or if any civilians died. we'll have more on the use of that bomb later in the hour but first here's josh lipton's cnbc market wrap of. >> thanks. jpmorgan and citibank posting strong gains. still the d informing 135 points after the u.s. drop that had bomb in afghanistan, the s&p off by 15. the nasdaq down 31 points. humans are flying blind when it cops to the impact of robots on jobs of a new study says the government should partner with digital companies like uber to better graph changes if employment. ask homes are selling faster than ever, jumping 9% over this time last year. that's it from cnbc, first in

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do you understand why you're a suspect? >> i understand why i've been blamed but there is no evidence. you don't even have fire, never mind smoke. to claim that i knew about the hacking of podesta's e-mail in advance because i predicted his business activities would come under public scrutiny, that would be supposition, conjecture. >> welcome back. a lot to digest. look, i'll admit. i was bemused half the time. i don't quite know what to make of it. >> i think that's the point. >> i don't know what to make of him. he seems emphatic with his denials. >> as they all do.

>> there is no point in not being emphatic. >> if you're going to go, be all in. >> in the amount of time that has been spent, i've seen and listened to roger stone now more in the last two weeks than i did during most of the campaign. he is spending an incredible amount of time defending himself against this. in a way that i think is more so than folks are paying attention to how important he was in all of this. >> what is a comment we all say he have once in a while when we see somebody not defending themselves enough? we'll say, gee, if that happened to me, i would be screaming from the roof tops that i the didn't. this is i guess, roger stone is trying to scream from the roof tops. wait a minute. i know i have a crazy reputation but i wouldn't have done that. >> he knows how the wage campaigns. i think he understands that his name is being besmirched.

it is one conspiracy tory that roger stone doesn't believe in. you mentioned the ted cruz zming there have been others that he brings up. this is one where i think he's right tlf right. there's no evidence that shows he coordinated with the russians. >> then he stumbled into a ton of coincidences. >> he certainly did. there is plenty of smoke. a lot of smoke. >> what if it is all smoke? >> if it is, it is. we have to find out. and as you said, the irony of roger stone just rejecting a conspiracy theory and then saying, this thing about ted cruz' father, the "national enquirer," they're like the "new york times" or the "washington post." for the record, the "national enquirer" is not like them. >> it is true. they pursued it in ways that other reporters -- sleeping in the beverly hills -- >> they did.

>> amy, what i understood is, why the full depend russia tried on infiltrate the election. boy, there are two people who shared that view. >> roger stone and donald trump. >> it has been pretty clear. even the secretary of state yesterday came out and said, it is clear that the russians hacked the 2016 election. right? so even members of the administration admitting to this. i think we look at somebody who has been a long time operative to your point. he's been in and around lots of creative campaigning. >> what is the most -- if somebody in trump world were to be a conduit, who would be the first suspect? >> i don't think it would be roger. >> he wouldn't be suspect one. >> no. he said in his interview with you, general sat at a table next to vladimir putin. >> paul manafort worked in

ukraine for politicians connected to pro russia parties. this guy carter page, he said, whoever he is. no one seems to know who he is. he 97 met with donald trump. yet we know that the russian spy agencies cased him out. right? what did they conclude? carter page was too stupid to spy for russia. those would be the people that you look at first before you got to roger stone. >> but they didn't, you know, they didn't reject the proposition that he could be a useful idiot potentially. >> the side story to me is a side story. >> but the tweet of john podesta has it coming to him is the link. you're right. there's not direct evidence but to say bits his business. we knew that stuff would come down. >> i'll tell you, i obsess, the part i obsess on the most has

22nd who helped assange. it was well coordinated. somebody, this is very unassange-like and it was something wikileaks hadn't done before. that's the key to the whole thing. who helped had sort these e-mails? they had a lot of bg small details of how washington works. forget american politics of the like the dinners in washington. that took sophistication that julian assange does not have. >> i noticed stone's reaction to that which he said, i don't know what you're talking about. the first i've heard about a possibility of an american helping had wikileaks and curating the e-mails was today spoefl might be an angle. i would like to know your sources. if that's mething the committees areexploring, that would be a crucial part of any investigation. but i think stone and myself as we were looking at the e-mails, simply assumed they were flooding the zone over a period

of time. >> when you realize every day it is the perfect e-mail. >> yes. these e-mails were curated. this perfect timing, the whole way through. it was amazing. >> and it was interesting. he kept saying there was no collusion, no coordination. what's the definition of that? >> that you made a deal, right? you said, if you give me this, i'll give you that. the assumption is there is a quid pro quo. that you actually made an agreement with somebody to do something for them. that's the official they know we would say. the official definition of what collusion is. we know that he may be correct. it may not have come out as distinctly as that. >> to me, the challenge of roger stone, character witness. is he a dirty trickster? or is that overblown?

does he take too much credit in the past for these things or is this right up his alley? what do you believe? >> about roger stone? >> yes. >> he is one of a kind. anyone who followed his career over time ends up being kind of amazed at the various things, the prongs he's involved with. >> the conspiracy theories and the blogs about the conspiracy theories. >> also, he is a very canny analyst in politics. i think it would be wrong to only focus on the russia angle. >> and i want to get to that. i thought his take was spot on. >> somebody who revvs in this age of being the mad svengali of politics. now to say, it was overblown and i got this reputation. i don't know how i would have gotten such a reputation. well, you helped cultivate and it did you that stuff. >> look.

roger stone was a success because he was a politically say guy. i thought his take on steve bannon in the west we know is spot on. he who kros the staffing controls the white house. >> and he didn't bring enough loyalists around him. he tried but it wasn't enough. >> you're speaking in the past tense. it's not over yet. >> honestly, i don't know that anybody has been able to be particularly successful given pits like lord of the flies in there he have single day. the fact is that you have 21 people quoted in a "washington post" story. that's complete and utter dysfunction. >> all of us have reported this white house. is it -- does that shock that you there are 21 different people? i'm not surprised at that total. >> that's the opponent. it is not just bannon's problem. it is the entire someplace dysfunctional regardless of

whether it was him at the center. >> one reason bannon didn't get a lot of loyalists. there are not many people who sub screen to the bannon philosophy or even the trump philosophy. and this is an oddity. when ronald reagan was elected president, we had 15 years, 25 years of a conservative movement, if you date it to the national review. donald trump elected -- there's no real movement ochblt ov- >>re is a political season we know. you've written about this of. >> but there wasn't before. >> so how does he fill the white house with loyalist wlus don't have that infrastructure in place? it is something that trump and those here believe this he what truch is trying to do have to grapple with. the people aren't there. >> does this intervention aspect catch up with him? roger seemed distraught about it. more so than anything else. >> the one time strike maybe.

sne did seem terribly bothered by it. is there a fracture between the administration and the trumpers out there? >> when you, there is no dipping your toe in. what happens if trump gets sue something larger than syria? >> i think that's an important piece. the challenge for trump, everybody projected on to him what they wanted him to be. every voter who felt he was going too far on one issue found a way to be mollified by something else. so if you, you could believe what you twoonltd believe about him. he was a blank slate. it will mean there are people every day who are going to feel like they've been disappointed.

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time for the lid. the panel is back of the a correction. m-o-a-b does not stand for the mother of all bombs. it stands for massive ordnance air blast but yes, it is

nicknamed the mother of all bombs and it is where we'll start our conversation here. okay. the use of this, it is an interesting case. it is the unwalkable, unnavigable part of that afghanistan and pakistan and all of that. but this week the noninterventionist donald trump, the headlines are about the use of the military in ways that we didn't think he would be doing this. the overall messaging, is that going to be helpful to him or not? >> well, you know, in the long term i actually don't think this is helpful to him at all. but you remember eight years ago there was another president who came in who was going to get us out of wars and it was all going to, you know -- >> his greatest military accomplishment is getting them out. it is a military mission. >> exactly. and he found that, you know, the world has an inconvenient way of changing your plans. and i think that seems to be

wh hasappened to donald trump. the very ieresting thing is to contrast that withhe roger stone interview and are his supporters going to feel betrayed if he essentially acts like a conventional president and does things like this. >> matthew zm >> it is important to establish what it means to be a noninterventionist and the donald trump who said he was going to kick the stuffing out of isis. clearly dropping the moab is -- regime change is what made roger stone nervous. i think there is a nationalist feeling if you're going to go to go to war against terrorists, you're going to to use every means. that's what donald trump is doing. we're loosening restrictions in terms of human rights that we give to people -- >> a which by the way he was saying himself. look, i have given them -- i have essentially given them these orders that they can do with what they want. >> when he loses his base is when he orders a ground invasion or some type of regime change in

the middle east that typically in the past has destabilized the region, right. so, i think he hasn't reached that point yet. i also think that there is a lot of signaling going on. not only with this bomb being dropped, but also the syria strike. and, so, the military or trump, at trump's direction is using these strikes to convey to regimes like iran and north korea that, you know, this is a different president and hard power is really going to play a role in this president's foreign policy. >> do these flip-flops matter? i mean they were so -- i'm not shocked by any of them. >> in order to have a flip-flop you have to have an idea logical core -- this is the essence of who he is. as i said before, i think that for so many voters they came in already acknowledging that he's been all over the map on things. he's going to fight for the working class despite fact that he out sources his work to china for his clothing.

you had people, you and i talk to, part of the establishment who were convinced that a lot of this was an act. once he got into office he was going to be the new york businessman. but what they all agreed on was he was going to be somebody different and he was going to be competent in a different way. that i think is the bigger problem for him right now. isn't that he's all over the map idea logically. there aren't any ws on the board. >> if they're going to be all over the map -- >> that's what voters wanted. i don't care how you do it, just do it. >> i guess i go to the fact -- >> you're not getting it done. >> all of his flips have been a flip to the conventional. oh, no, no, no, it is what the group think was on nato. it is what the group -- it's all moving in the same direction. it's just him getting up to speed? >> it's also kind of an acceptance of reality. the truth is, you know, nato is not going to go away and his comments were destabilizing the

alliance. indeed he needed to bring up his own rhetoric to the line established by his advisors like tillerson, mattis, haley and pompeo who had been very pro-nato. on currency manipulation, that is a really big weapon to pull with the chinese, especially when you're trying to get them to work against north korea. so, and they're also upset, the base is also upset he's not repealing the daca for the dreamers. no american president is going to take away that for the kids. i think he's just accepting -- >> what if you're jeb bush right now? you're going i told you he wasn't -- >> he wasn't going to do this, this, this. >> he wasn't going to do it. >> what's going to happen when nafta isn't repealed? that's going to be to me -- >> repealing or renegotiating? that's theey. >> good question. >> all right. i will leave it there. quite an hour. after a few days off feels good to be back here. thank you guys. after the break, it seems

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pacers lan at this, michigan. newport news, virginia, sterling, virginia. home of the trump national golf course. nashville, charleston, louisville, west palm beach and of course to mar-a-lago. but the one place he has not been, new york, new york. so nice they named it twice. new york just like i pictured it, sky scrapeers and everything. that was for you, stevie wonder, fans. he hasn't been back. why? maybe it's the hassle of being president in the new york city. one time he went back to his home in chicago. he realized it was how much much a disruption he was. maybe because hillary clinton beat him in his home borrow. whatever the reason, mar-a-lago seems to be his home away from home. he's heading there later. and really, if you owned a place like mar-a-lago, wouldn't you want to spend more time there than on a tower on fifth avenue? we'll see, though. snowbirds return to new york soon. will he be coming? that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more

mtp daily. award winning actor of screen and stage and of course of television's homeland, mandy patanki, sal barron son is here. for the record with greta is here. chris, take it away. i'm still fired up about tomorrow's saul barron son. go ahead. >> i don't blame you. it begs the question, what's wrongith fih avenue. we'll have that discussion. i'm chris sitting in for greta. we begin with the mother of all bombs, the second largest nonnuclear bomb in the u.s. arsenal dropped today in afghanistan. it's the first time ever this bomb has been used in combat and the largest ever to be dropped. it's a nearly 22,000 pound explosive that military officials say targeted an isis complex. the bomb was dropped in an isolated area and no word yet on isis casualties. the pentagon says it did take precautions to avoid civilian casualties. now, at the white house today president trump didn't say whether he authorized