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"am joy." if you woke up this morning breathing a little sigh of relief you are not alone. this week the world has been holding its collective breath as north korean regime and trump administration engage in back and forth saber-rattling. kim jong-un marking the birthday of his grandfather, founding dictator of north korea with massive parade showing off military wares including prototype of missiles. u.s. military dropping mother of all bombs in afghanistan a week after the launch of 59 cruise missiles at a syrian military airfield. that was followed by a twitter war between trump and north korean regime with trump tweeting north korea was looking for trouble and seeming to threaten retaliation if the hermit king demonstrated nuclear capacity. vice foreign minister tweeted back calling trump's tweets aggressive saying if he wants

war, it's on. some experts feel he may use today to conduct a nuclear test. telling nbc news u.s. considering preemptive strike with conventional weapons if they believe north korea is about to test another nuke. it's all very jarring. as of this morning all seems calm for now. north koreans had their parade and trump is golfing at his private club. former cho eer chief of staff f secretary of state colin powell, how scared should we be is what people are asking about there being real resumption of conflict between united states and north korea. >> i think we should be concerned not just north korea russia, china, iran, a host of front policy problems. tweeting doesn't go very far. the events for a foreign power

is nuance and complexity, dealing with it every day. it's tiring, fatiguing but that's what it's all about. tweets with foreign popp policy is nauns scene. to answer the broader question, i've been on the earth 72 years, 50 years as an adult. i've been through cuba missile crisis, i've been through bay of pigs before that, vietnam war, two iraq wars and so forth. i've got to tell you i've never been so concerned as i am now for the state of this country and our relations. >> i think one of the reasons people are concerned, it's not clear to a lot of observers it's not clear whether kim jong-un is a rational actor. he's a genuine threat to the united states. we have used nukes nagasaki, hiroshima about 640 miles away. is tweeting at someone like him

more dangerous than making those kinds of odd twitter threats at hettsheimer day china or russia? >> let me say if you're going to play high-stakes poker which is the objective here, you don't want to play with the best high-stakes poker player on the face of the earth. this is their policy. it's very rational. i agree with your correspondent. it's very rational when lou at what he looks out from pyongyang looking south. looks at the seventh fleet, 6,000 soldiers, b2s on guam. he looks at an array of things that want to eliminate his regime. that's his first objective is to keep that regime. in a sense this kind of bravado from mr. trump is a response to the bravado, brinksmanship from him. this kind of brinksmanship is not what a great power should be playing. we should be smarter than that. we should be looking for what chinese foreign minister yi suggested the other day, that is

getting back to some kind of talks where we can at least accommodate north korea's fears to the extent they quit. they won't surrender now. at least they quit the nuclear program and we get a little more calm situation on the peninsula and we continue the policy of strategic patience that prevented war on that peninsula for half a century. >> colonel will kibson, stay with me. i want to keep you as part of this discussion. i also want to bring in spokesperson haqq, president of the plow shares fund and expert and msnbc contributor. we're dealing with all of this problem, new conflict with north korea at a time when we don't have our diplomatic team in place. we don't have an ambassador, for instance, in the region. >> we don't have an ambassador in kkz because the old one was

taken out by the trump administration. also we don't have that layer under secretary tillerson and the state department. we don't have as much under secretary mattis as we need to have. also we've got a realtime problem now, of course, because the north koreans have displayed a new intercontinental ballistic missile. this is a problem because that missile can reach the lower 48 states. it's something we didn't know about before this parade, and it's a real indication that north korea is making very fast progress because some missile experts say that that missile has multiple warheads. there's a limited amount of time for trump to be able to deal with this. >> former chief mike morell gave an interview yesterday in which he talked about the diplomatic -- not diplomatic, one u.p.e upsmanship.

>> we have a new president and kim jong-un is trying to challenge him, trying to get him back to the negotiating table. remember barack obama ignored north koreans for eight years, did not run to the negotiating table every time there's a provocation. kim jong-un wants to get back to the point where we give them gifts when they do something bad. we're making it worse with bluster and sending aircraft. >> kim jong-un has in the past done dramatic displays to force the world to negotiate with him. to that point of mike morell, donald trump is playing his game sensely. >> he's using the same tactics north koreans are doing, big displays of power, literally tweeting photos of our military might. if we're going to advance a new american power, america first, adopting tactics of north korean

dictator are probably for the the best way to tell the world we are different and have different leadership. >> i think a lot of people because of the korean war so far in the distance, we're going to do a little package on it, sort of forget part of the mental noise around the north koreans is, you know, hiroshima and nagasaki. they are in that region. that's part of the mind-set that keeps them so fixated on nukes. can it work for united states to match kim jong-un provocation for provocation and somehow get him to stand down on his nuclear posture. >> no. there was no combination of military threats or shankses that are going to force kim jong-un to collapse or comply. we dodged a nuclear bullet today. we went right up to the brink of war and just took two steps back and that's a good thicng. how do we now use that time. as appointed out north korea anz

in their parade unveiled new nuclear capabilities. i watched the parade in live stream. the most troubling is this what we call canistered icbm on a transporter indicating it is a long range missile that is mobile and solid fueled, meaning they could put this thing in a tunnel, wheel it out and fire it quickly and it could probably hit at least the west coast, maybe most of the united states. this is more a display of things to come rather than a display of what they now have. they haven't tested any of this. they just lit the fuse at this parade. they are showing us their capability. this is what they are going to. do we now use the time to do what the chinese wisely suggest, get back to the bargaining table. both the north koreans and united states have built up bargaining chips. they have both showed they are willing to at least demonstrate,

maybe use military might. great. now let's cash in those chips for talk that can walk out back trt brink. >> malcolm, can you explain, what is russia's sort of posture in all this. are they at this table as china is? >> well, russia has stood off for quite some time with relations to north korea. they are within the arc of north korea's ability to strike all the nations in that part of the pacific. they have major naval bases out in the peninsula. however, they haven't engaged here. let me talk about something no one has brought up, since i'm the prism guy. north korea has a tendency to provoke in a rapid series of steps. they usually start out with low grade level of terrorism. we saw back in the '80s and '90s they would deploy agents around the world and blow up south

korean airplanes, actually assassinated a good part of the parliament in myanmar. they have what we call a class 1 terrorist capcapability. that is a terror group with assets. they have literally assets to raid. they use helicopters they acquired from the united states to insert agents in that country. before they go on to big steps of warfare, lobbing artillery in south korea, they can do 20 small steps of terrorism and low grade special operations which could ratchet this thing right up to the nuclear threshold in no time. >> to what end, gordon? what do they want? what do north koreans want? >> first thing, of course, is regime survival. to survive as a regime, they need to dominate the entire peninsu peninsula. that is the myth, the sole ruler of korea. vengely they will go after

seoul. they always try to do it. even though they may not have the capability now, that is where they are going. >> if north korea were to go after seoul, south korea, that would mean war. would we be obligated to go in and defend south koreans militarily? >> of course we would with our alliance obligations. but let's back up for a second and take what your previous speakers have said, most of which i agree with. we keep forgetting we have an ally on that peninsula. that ally is one of the most thriving economic entities on the face of the earth. it's an incredible miracle. it's gone from being a debtor nation to creditor nation in a generation. we forget them. they are the ones north korea is mostly to impact. they are the ones north korea will use terrorist actions against and other thing as was pointed out earlier. they are the ones i worry about. they are the ones that are going to be provoked. they are the ones who are going to take the hits. if it turns into conventional

war, one of the most beautiful cities in the world, thriving cities, seoul, is going to be virtually destroyed even if we, quote, win, unquote. that's why you want to get to the table. >> not to underscore, make this too fine a point, but we have been in the region before as united states military and it was not what we would consider a most successful engagement. the korean war is the reason why we have a north and south korea. >> thank you all very much. nayyera and malcolm will be back later in the show. up next more on russia ties. a moment of maxine is next. stay right. there. you're going to be hanging out in here. so if you need anything, text me. do you play? ♪ ♪

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today the resistance is rising up to demand donald trump release his tax returns. demonstrators will be treated to the speech of the de facto ruler congresswoman maxine waters. she took to twitter to remind us all to stay focused owner donald trump's relationship with russia. on friday she tweeted trump worked so hard this week to make sure he was fighting with putin. trump will never criticizes putin because he's in bed with him. the question remains what does putin have on trump that he's seemingly the only person he will not criticize in any way. for our moment of maxine, congresswoman maxine waters. thank you so much to be here. >> i'm delighted always to be with you, joy. thank you for having me on. >> i'm sorry i messed you at bus boys and poets last night.

i had to work so i wasn't able to be there. >> i'm so sorry. we had a great time. >> i heard it was really great. let's talk first -- i'm going to get back to the russia stuff but i first want to talk about tax day protest. what do you think can come out of this. donald trump made it pretty clear he's never going to release his tax returns. do you think public pressure can change that? >> absolutely. i do believe in the power of the people. i think it's very important for us to resist and to demand. he must show his taxes. every president since fixon has shown their taxes. i think the people have a right to know. we really need to know about donald trump because we are still trying to figure out all of his business entanglements and his conflicts of interest. and so he has not answered many questions. even though we thought he had placed all his businesses in trust, we find that has not happened. so people all over this country are filling out their taxes, they are trying to do the right

thing. you know, middle class people are paying 30, 35% taxes. some of us believe that donald trump is not paying any taxes. he's taken advantage of all the loopholes, he knows all of the tricks. we need to know what it looks like, who he owes, what kind of debt he has. again, what kind of possible conflicts of interest. so i think it's important for us to march. i have laryngitis, and i am not at my best today, but i'm marching. i'm going to be out there with the people because in the final analysis, the people do have the power. >> we hear the frog in your throat. >> yes. >> many of our viewers would say you are always at your best. i think what frustrates a lot of people and you must hear this a lot as a member of congress, people are out there and marching and making this demand but it's congress that has the power to make donald trump show his tax returns. is there any inkling your colleagues on the other side of the aisle that control the house

of representatives are ever going to use their power as co-equal branch of government. they can subpoena his tax returns. why won't your colleagues do that? >> what we find is the opposite side of the aisle, the republicans are still trying to be in the favor of this president. no, they are not going to reveal it. as a matter of fact, i don't know how long some of them are going to stand with him on many of these issues. and so some of them may be willing to go down with him. i think he is going down. and so i don't expect them. particularly prior to these 100 days, to do anything that would cause him to be angry with them, to fall out of favor with him. so we cannot depend on him and the people must continue to put pressure, to demand, resist. that's the only way i think we're going to have any breakthroughs with this man at all. >> what are you the most

concerned about? the menus of issues, that we've hinted at that could be in those returns, what to you is the biggest worry that is in there that we're not seeing? >> i don't want the president of the united states to be compromised in any way. we don't know who he owes and how much he owes. there's all the rumors about having borrowed money from russia during 2008 crisis because many of the major banks in this country would not end him any money because of the debt he had incurred and the bankruptcies he had filed. so we cannot have a president who can be blackmailed, who can be compromised. we need to know more about his debt and his business dealings. >> while i have you here, we definitely want to stay on the tax issue, but i want to ask you a couple of questions on foreign policy. one, should congress, in your

view, come back in session to debate whether there should be a new authorization for the use of military force or to withdraw the existing one and get congress involved in these military decisions that donald trump is making. >> absolutely. we should have been called that. we should all be there at least by monday. we should have come back last week. we cannot afford to have this president making military decisions and getting in the position to declare war. that is the purview of congress. we should be debating this issue. and, of course, ryan has the authority to do that. i believe naency pelosi and members of my caucus all are trying to get that done. we absolutely should be concerned about this president because i believe that he's making decisions that perhaps should scare us all. he talks too much about brinksmanship. he feels as if he has the power

to use this military in ways that should frighten all of us. remember when he had he knew more than all generals knew. i don't know what generals are advising him now, but they better rein him in. we better know he's not about to launch us into a war that would cause many lives to be lost on both sides of the ocean. >> i didn't mention somebody i've known for a very long time marked the third year anniversary, shocking, hard to believe it's been three years, since the disappearance of ch chibok girls. you participated, did a tweet storm for representative wilson's effort. are we getting any closer to figuring out what happened to them? there's still 195 of those girls missing. >> i don't know. i want to tell you fredericka wilson has been absolutely committed and on point.

she makes us wear red, every wednesday the women, particularly on the democratic side of the aisle, wear red in honor of and to remember and have everybody stay focused on the fact boko haram has basically absconded with these girls and many of them are still not back. you said about 195. i am very upset with the nigerian government. i think they could have done more, could have done better. what has happened to these girls should not happen anywhere in the world. we don't know how many of them have been abused, have been r5i7d. some of them have children born to them because of rape. yes, i have participated. i will continue to participate. i follow the lead of fredericka, the leader on this issue. all of us wearing red and

working and trying to let nigeria and those girls know we haven't forgotten them, we won't forgot they will and we'll do everything we can to return them to their homes and their families. >> congresswoman waters supporting your friend. you're wonderful. thanks for giving us your time. take care of your throat, have some hot tea. we know you'll be out there fighting the good fight. >> thank you so much. >> you can follow maxine waters on twitter @maxinewaters. of course our viewers already do but you should follow her if you don't already. thank you very much. up next, america's long dangerous involvement with north korea for "am joy" next. whether it's bringing cutting-edge wifi to 35,000 fans...

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don't let all the military moves distract you too much. there was plenty of news last week. a russian hacker requested in barcelona at the request of the fbi. tuesday democrats and republicans finally had a chance to see those documents that devin nunes viewed in secret at the white house. they saw no evidence the obama administration had done anything unusual or illegal. a fisa court found there was probable cause to believe trump campaign adviser carter page was

acting as an agent of a foreign power and granted fbi permission to monitor his communication. ap reported paul manafort had indeed received $1.2 million in off the book payments from a pro russia party in ukraine. on thursday the guardian quoted a single unnamed source saying this about the u.s. investigations into russiagate. they have evidence of collusion between the trump p campaign and hacked material. former agent watts, malcolm manitoba and former fbi double agent and author of "how to catch a russian spy. the clinton i want to come to you first last in "the guardian" piece trump campaign and russian entities involved in the hack,

do you think that's evidence something prosecutorial or evidence they utilized the material. >> i think it's first evidence they utilized the material. we're looking for two things here, money and connections. we've got both of them. that is starting to surface. we saw that with man fort ledger that came out this week. we're seeing that with independent today reporting trump might have borrowed money back in 2008. >> sure. >> that tends to lean to the scenario that compromised versus, you know, just infiltrated, this campaign had some sort of support from russia. >> naveed, mike pompeo, a supporter brought into the administration by devin nunes, this is him talking about wikileaks as cia director right now. this is on thursday. >> it's time to call out wikileaks for what it really is, a nonstate hostile intelligence service often abetted by state

actors like russia. >> and this is mike pompeo tweeting in 2016 about rickie. need further proof the fix was in from president obama on down, busted. 19,352 by dnc by wikileaks. he's not the only person. mike pence is also on record using wikileaks, reading from it from the campaign. are we talking about useful idiocy, they are using the material or is there evidence you know of a fore knowledge this material was coming to them by the trump campaign? >> i think that that is the big question. when it comes -- when have you roger stone saying he's a connection, met with -- certainly saying there's about to be a dump before it actually happens with regard to podesta e-mails. i think there's obviously something there. joy, the thing that strikes me the greatest here is the fact carter page came out this week that he was, in fact, someone who met with russian intelligence officers, clearly

was pitched in 2013. so he was known to the fbi before he ended up on the trump campaign. look, that 2015 case actually led to not only prosecution and arrest and conviction. here it's a fascinating thing. here is a man who was known to have met with russian intelligence officers, kind of kicked free after 2015, then gets a fisa warrant and ends up on the campaign. it's things that make you go hmm, certainly seems like facts are starting to emerge. >> i want to come back to you but real quick, how could someone subject of the fisa warrant, investigated as potential foreign four, to nave naveed's point, the fbi doesn't give a heads up to a campaign that, hey, you've got somebody in your campaign that has a problem. >> we don't know that didn't happen. you remember last summer we went from president trump now saying carter page was someone who was

part of his campaign to i have no -- >> never heard of him. we don't know that didn't happen. what is important is he is a person that surfaced before. he was the target of russian intelligence agents. so now we have to ask were they watching him because they thought he was an agent or trying to see if he had been compromised and didn't know it. >> what was he doing on the campaign? what was his purpose? let's play carter page who gave weird interviews. he gave one to chris hayes. he gave one to "good morning america" this week. he's talking about the potential what is it they wanted carter page to do? that is talking about sanctions, lifting sanctions. this is on "gma" thursday. >> it sounds like what you're saying it's possible you may have discussed easing of sanctions. >> something may have come up in a conversation. i have no recollection and there's nothing specifically i would have done that would give people that impression, george. >> you can't say without eequivocation that you didn't discuss easing of sanctions. >> someone may have brought it

up. i have no recollection. if it was, it was not something i was offering or that someone was asking for. >> this is somebody who is known to have strong pro kremlin groups, they called him a wak a doodle. he gets on the campaign, potentially talking with russians about easing sanctions. are we starting to get to the why of him being in the campaign? >> we're starting to see more and more evidence u.s. public, via trump campaign, has been a victim of a weapon of mass information. this is carter page and all his eequivocation and pro kremlin views show russians using hybrid warfare. they are using not just military strength in europe, they are using in the united states information landscape including traditional assets, turning people, potentially advisers on campaigns to their cause, and also the hacking of e-mails.

so this all part of a broader campaign by putin to be exercising his influence in the united states. >> malcolm, where does manafort come in? now you know manafort got money from pro russia outfit in the ukraine. the money was deposited. he potentially borrowed from businesses with kremlin ties after he left the campaign. we also know that he essentially -- how do you figure this out? >> he ran donald trump's campaign from march until september 2016, so he's very tied in. all of the key incidents that occur with regards to counter-intelligence all occurred on manafort's watch. carter page going to russia supposedly according to some infoation in the christopher steele memorandums, going through to make deals. a asset, talking about e-mails.

paul manafort is the one person we know has at least one degree of separation from a former kgb officer has wording on his staff in the ukraine when he was supposedly taking lots of cash to carry out operations for the pro moscow government in the ukraine. granted, once he got outed by "the new york times," that's when he dropped off the stage. that's when he was let go from the campaign and replaced with steve bannon. he still continued to work from trump tower. the question is that one degree of separation, is it one degree of separation with him not knowing or was he actually in league with russian intelligence and linchpin to the entire operation. that's going to take some investigation. >> on the way out, is there any way of figuring out who brought this russian operation into the campaign? you've got manafort, you've got flynn, you've got page. is there any telling when-of-which one brought it in? >> i think it will happen over the next couple years.

just over the last week we had four major developments in terms of russia and trump campaign links. if there's one thing we should consider trump doesn't vet his people very well and allows for this influence. the best way for a russian agent is not to pay someone to do something but convince them it's their idea. >> all the dead people turning up on the russian side of this equation. it's kind of hard to investigate someone when a lot of people are turning up dead. i'm sorry, very quickly. >> yeah, there's one other interesting component that's missing here. as you notice this week there was a lot of talk of foreign intelligence agencies, sister collection agencies actually having information about u.s. citizens contacts with russian intelligence agencies. that means there are tapes and transcripts of these people's phone conversations. >> tick-tock, this is getting interesting, gets more interesting every time. thank you very much.

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if you believe the trump family narrative, it was favorite daughter, ivanka trump, who influenced her daddy's decision to launch military strikes against achar al assad. this week when the military dropped the mother of all bombs on isis targets in afghanistan, the jewish insider reported that

ivanka trump was spending the passover holiday in whistler, a resort town in canada. perhaps trump now feels he doesn't need ivanka's support. when he does take military action, he gets his reenforcement from his media family. joining me now is neara hawk, former state department spokesman and senior director terrorism analyst -- senior director, terrorism an lifrt, malcolm nantz. let's talk about this weird reenforcement thing that's happening, where it is like the family enterprise, is running the united states. and it is not the way the united states normally operates. >> not how the united states operates. but it is how a lot of countries in the developing world and dictatorships operate, where the person often comes in, elected, takes additional powers, doesn't rely on expertise, hates the media, elevates family into chief positions of power. that's what's particularly worrisome about the direction of how our president relies and

makes decisions. you also have this sense now that the military is -- has a lot of cool toys for our president to use. first tomahawk missiles and the mother of all bombs, without any explanation to the american public of what the broader strategy is. so when you have -- you have actions without any words to back them up. any sense of depth of expertise. and it's worrisome that you have a fashion designer and a man who ran a paper -- newspaper, not very well. advising our president on foreign policy. >> yeah, and owes lots and lots of money to the chinese bank for -- the official bank. there is -- there are words that do back it up, though, naveed, that you have heard coming out of what we think is the official channels of the trump government. u.s. central command had a very weird moment this week. our friend rachel maddow pointed this out. the hill newspaper received this really wild statement about why

the united states chose to attack in the way it did with this moab bomb. somebody calling themselves a spokesperson that said, when you have a very large beehive, a little fly swatter may not work. finally, you take out the big stuff. we just found a huge beehive and we have to use something more than a fly swatter. when asked whether the bomb was also meant to send a message to the enemy, they said absolutely, we mean business. president trump said once he gets in, he's going to kick the s-h-i-t out of the enemy and that's exactly what we're doing. well, cent com has since walked that back. they then hold "the hill," and this was a named spokesperson, major josh schalk, statements were made by an individual unauthorized to speak on behalf of u.s. central command and do not reflect us.

i want to give that to malcolm, our military veteran on the panel. what is going on? >> you know, inside of every administration, you find these individuals who are, you know, inside the military chain of command who have a loyalty more to the president of the united states than they have to the constitution of the united states. and they will come out and they will talk smack. and invariably, there is supposed to be a chain of command that is supposed to stifle this. certainly in that public affairs office at central command, a command sergeant major who should walk up and smack him up side the head who would say you can't talk like this, and pass that on to the army general and make sure he gets kicked out of the military. we do not talk like this, because we take the profession of warfare very seriously. i have fought in over 20 years and i have never seen statements come out where they say the president of the united states is going to kick your butt. that literally, especially

coming from doha, qatar, where you can go to the baskin-robbins, does not reflect the -- you know, the values of the people having to sit in that mountain in the province and literally sweat, blood and tears while these strikes are going on. so you have your rear area personnel, and then you have the war fighters who are out on the spear tip. and the war fighters do not talk like this. >> i feel like we have this conversation a lot offline. there is a sense of unseriousness, okay. just to be quite frank. when you have the children talking about ivanka made him bomb syria, when you have the president hanging out, golfing, while the moabs are raining down, talking about this over a lovely piece of delicious chocolate cake. this is something about it disturbingly unserious and reminiscent of the way

autocracies operate and certainly not the united states and all of this sort of weird language coming out of the official charges of the united states. what is going on? >> that is the question. when we have someone like jared kushner, who has gone from remodeling two bedrooms in soho, now advising the president, it gives pause for concern. i think there is a lack of seriousness here. there is just not a strategy. as malcolm pointed out, the lack of professionalism. and, you know, when it comes to those statements. i think that what you're seeing is, it's almost as if, you know, you have a ceo, the average rank and file is not going to deal with that ceo. but the ceo sets the culture. and when you set the culture, you know, even if you're not directing your individual departments, down to your individual employees, those people are going to act within that culture. and i think that's a very dangerous culture that's coming up here. so we need to, you know -- this needs to move forward. we need to figure out a way to kind of close this out. >> very well-said. we learned that with bridge gate. chris christie set the culture.

things happened accordingly. donald trump has set a culture that is odd and unserious, and tied to his family and odd. i'm just going to leave it at that. thank you very much. malcolm nance and jamali, thank you guys, our all-star team. thank you. up next, jared gets put on the hot seat over russia. are allergies holding you back? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist instead of allergy pills. it's more complete allergy relief in a gentle mist you may not even notice. using unique mistpro technology, new flonase sensimist delivers a gentle mist to help block six key inflammatory substances that cause your symptoms. most allergy pills only block one. and six is greater than one. break through your allergies. new flonase sensimist

the current state of u.s./russia relations is at a low point. there is a low level of trust between our two countries. as to the question of the interference with the election, that is fairly well-established in the united states. i think that has been spoken to on the hill, as well, with the congress. and it is a serious issue. it's one that we is serious enough to attract additional sanctions. >> during his first visit to moscow as secretary of state, rex tillerson continued the trump administration's new tough

talk on russia. during sergei lavrov, the former oil executive and russians couldn't agree on much. on the question of whether bashar al assad can remain the president of syria, tillerson and the russian leaders were not on the same page. on the fact that assad was responsible for the chemical weapons blast that killed more than 820 peoparties, the two co not disagree more. there was no consensus. the trump administration's ties to russia continue to raise concerns here at home. trump senior adviser and son-in-law, jared kushner, is the latest official to come under scrutiny. in january when completing the national security questionnaire required for top security clearance, kushner failed to disclose his dozens of meetings with foreign leaders including the leader of a russian state-owned bank. kushner's lawyer said the fbi questionnaire was submitted

prematurely and kushner will provide additional information soon. in the meantime, five democratic congressmen wrote a letter to the fbi and the office of personnel management on thursday to request the suspension of kushner's security clearance. joining me now is one of the men who signed that letter, representative ted lew. congressman, do you have an expectation that this letter will result in kushner's security clearance will be pulled or is this really just to get it on the record that he essentially did the same thing michael flynn did and not disclose his connections and his conversations? >> i thank you, joy, for that question. kushner security clearance absolutely should be suspended. i have filled out these forms before. they're known as sf-86 forms. one of the main reasons that you have this form is to figure out if the person had contacts with foreign officials. jared kushner intentionally omitted his various contacts, and he knew these contacts were important, because of the whole russia scandal that has been developing. so he lied. and he needs to have his

security clearance revoked. >> just so the people understand what this questionnaire is. so there are rules involved in it. it's a questionnaire you have to fill out in order to get your security clearance to do the job that he's doing. one of the quotes from the questionnaire from the fbi that he's required to fill out says the u.s. criminal code, title 18, section 1001, provides that knowingly falsifying or concealing a material fact is a felony, which may result in fines and up to five years imprisonment. people don't often go to prison for it. is it enough in your view that kushner says he will revise the forms, which is what people normally do? >> no, it is not. if i had done this on my own forms, my security clearance would have been suspended, and there would have been an investigation open. and the difference with kushner is, it's not as if he omitted a meeting he had four years ago. he had these meetings with russian officials recently, and he knew this was an issue, because of the russia scandal. so he intentionally omitted these facts. that's why the security

clearance needs to be other suspended or revoked. >> if that doesn't happen, what will be your next move as a member of congress? >> you know, if we take back the house in a year-and-a-half, we will open investigations to try to force him to do that. in the meantime, i hope some republicans come to their senses and understand the gravity of what happened here. where you have a senior-level white house official lying about his security clearance form on the issue of russia. >> it sounds like you are making a campaign issue. are you saying that if democrats take back the house of representatives, they're going to ramp up investigations on russia gate, including on jared kushner? >> we will ramp up investigations on any alleged violations of the law or of ethics. and if nothing happens when people lie on the security clearance forms, that's absolutely a problem and we will absolutely investigate. >> are you implying there that the republicans are not doing a thorough investigation at this moment? >> that's correct. i have heard nothing about their investigation of people who lie on the security clearance forms, including jared kushner. >> all right.

we'll leave it there. congressman ted lieu, thank you very much. >> thank you. joining me now, professor of internation international and the man poisoned in moscow twice, presumably for his opposition to the current russian leadership. i want to first come to you, nina, on this question of what now appear to be some open disagreements between the united states and russia. i think a lot of people on the trump side of the ledger are saying that the fact that there is now disagreement on all of these issues, whether it's on syria or whether it's on the interference in the election itself, are proof that there was no interference by russia in the election to help donald trump. you have a unique take on that. >> i don't know if it's unique. i'm just saying that putin certainly -- i think the russians certainly mettled in the elections. i'm just not that certain that they were meddling to specifically help trump. i think they were going to take down hillary clinton.

and if trump gets elected with all of his positive overtures towards putin actually then follows the policy. that would be really wonderful. now actually anybody who would analyze anything in politics or foreign policy would know that the russians and the americans are on every single issue different. and i think what's happening now is that this trump cowboy me mentality that he's going to take on everybody and be friends with whoever he wants to, just comes to -- reality. just clashed with reality. and we have heard for two months, three months, from all his cabinet members, almost all his cabinet members, that russia is a problem, and he needs to address it, and i think that that's what's happening now. that's why secretary tillerson was dispatched to moscow, to see whether the gap is bridgeable and it's probably not bridgeable. >> and just in the last couple weeks, with he had russia vetoing a u.n. resolution on

syria, condemning them for the attacks and what happened in syria. they got ten votes. russia vetoed it, china abstained. you also had donald trump do something that probably surprised the putin administration. and that is sending additional military hardware to eastern europe as a sign that the u.s. remains committed to nato, that the alliance will carry out its policy, building a force to thwart any russia action in the region. what -- how do you expect the putin regime to react? >> well, indeed, in fact, on the same day that mr. tillerson was in moscow, the russian acting representative of the united nations vetoed the syria resolution and made a very crude and vulgar speech in language more appropriate for a third-rate beer house than for the united nations security council. i know many felt a since of shame that such a person is representing our country and speaking on behalf. i say that for myself.

i think the way this administration, you know -- what this administration is discovering is the same thing that the previous two u.s. administrations have discovered. and discovered the hard way. that there can be no convergence of interest and no genuine operation between a system based on the rule of law and respect for human rights and democratic institutions and on the other hand, a clep toe accuratic and authoritarian regime, vladimir putin's regime in our country. and, of course, we remembered george w. bush looking into putin's eyes and seeing his soul. and barack obama declaring a very s reset from the putin regime. and the current administration is discovering that this is not likely to happen. and i think it -- there was a very important signal that was missed, unfortunately, this time that secretary tillerson went to moscow. there was a lot of talk about whether there will be a meeting between mr. tillerson and vladimir putin. and mr. putin kept him, first of all, guessing whether there will be a meeting or not and kept him waiting for a few hours, which is his usual habit, by the way,

this primitive posture and power play to show who is the boss. this meeting did happen in the end, as you just said. but there was another meeting that didn't happen. and that's the meeting between the u.s. secretary of state and representatives of russian civil society. those kinds of meetings happened under every previous secretary of state, both parties, republican and democrat, that was a long-time tradition. just last week, there was several letters sent from the u.s. congress, again, completely bipartisan, senior republicans, and senior democrats, urging mr. tillerson to find time while he is in moscow to meet with representatives, russian civil society, as well as with officials from the putin regime. now regrettably, that meeting did not happen. this was the first visit by mr. tillerson as secretary of state to moscow and i think many people were watching for those signals. that meeting did not take place. this is probably not a deliberate snub, and of course it will be interesting to see if he does find time the next time he goes. i think it goes to a very important point. that russia is not only about vladimir putin and his regime.

and when people talk about relationship and trust and dialogue between the united states and russia, that should involve dialogue also with different voices in russian society and with russian civil society. and not just with the putin regime. that, by the way, is not democratically elected. >> yeah. i mean, that is an excellent point. i think we sort of look at russia and only think about the putin end of the spectrum, right? but i mean, where do you see this relationship going? it feels like it's deteriorating or perhaps destined to deteriorate. what do you make of it? >> well, i'm actually never thought that it's going to go anywhere. in fact, i actually -- i wrote last summer that putin is a pragmatic politician. he cannot possibly not think that a disaster of donald trump is going to work wonders for him. he could have hoped. he thought he could manipulate it. he used it for as long as he could have. but now the reality, as i said, kicked in. for example, yes, not only tillerson did meet with a civil society members, which i am -- i believe that probably in his own

pragmatic mind he really couldn't have done it. but i do hope to see it in the future. but also he didn't do something that what russians absolutely wanted to. and that's why putin met with him, i believe. is that the arranged meeting between president trump and president putin. and didn't happen. so as much as russians want to have a relationship with the united states, they clearly understanding the longer that meeting doesn't happen, the more putin would actually return to his own devices. and that is a big, big danger. and i agree completely that it is an authoritarian regime. it needs to be talked to. therefore, the longer it's not talked to, the more authoritarian it becomes. >> very quickly, the fear that a lot of americans have is the sort of undercurrent, that there is some retaliation that regime might use because it might have something on donald trump. >> i'm certain. because putin, as i keep saying, i think on this show, he is an equal opportunity offender. if he had hillary clinton -- this certainly would have trump. and they will be very willing to act on it in an act of cyber

war, as malcolm nance always reminds me. that would be very dangerous. and then really can turn this relationship into the stage it is in. >> absolute chaos. one more question to you, vladimir. on the protests we saw, pretty extraordinary, people taking to the streets, protesting the putin regime. what is the status of that movement, that protest movement against putin, and where does it go from here? >> absolutely. a couple weeks ago, end of march, tens of thousands of people went to the streets across russia, east to west. d most of those who went out to t streets to protest against the regime were young people. university students, high school kids in many cases. people in their 20s and their 30s and even their teens. and this is the new generation of russia. these are the faces of tomorrow's russia. and they're saying no. they're saying enough. and there's frankly not much that mr. putin will be able to do with that in the long term or medium term. there is a new way of approach as planned for the next weekend.

in fact, a couple -- following weekend, excuse me, a couple weeks from today. and another for june. and i think this is not going to stop. this is only the beginning. the young generations of russians are realizing this regime is robbing them, not only literally in terms of the egregious corruption it's engaging in, and these were the immediate reasons for the protest but also robbing them of the future. and of their prospects. russia deserves so much better than a clepto accuratic tho authoritarian regime. and this is only the beginning. >> and a tragedy for a lot of americans. a lot of people feel a different kind of american administration might be encouraging those people. >> my nephew went, 20-year-old nephew went and screamed against putin. so here we go. >> makes you wistful for another kind of situation. we'll put it that way. thank you very much. appreciate you guys. >> thank you. up next, jefferson sessions

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for those that continue to seek improper and illegal entry into this country, be forewarned. this is a new era. this is the trump era. the lawlessness, the add vocation of duty to enforce our laws and the catch and release policies of the past are over. in that vein, i'm also pleased to announce a series of reforms. >> after touring the u.s./mexico border for the first time on tuesday, attorney general

jefferson sessions announced with a gleeful twinkle in his eye a series of prosecutor to recall changes for immigration offenses in order to get rid of people he called, quote, criminal aliens sessions announced that anyone reentering the country without documentation can be charged with a felony. not just a misdemeanor. and prosecutors are now enencouraged to charge people who cross the border with document fraud and aggravated identity theft. joining me now al reyes, and maria lana, executive director of the national immigration law center. i hope i didn't mangle your name. >> no, you did a perfect job. >> we talk about jefferson sessions a lot here. he does seem to be gleeful about being able to be as the "new york times" editorial board unleashed to be able to do all the things that for decades he's been dreaming of doing to undocumented migrants, specifically only ones that come across the southern border. how much jeopardy are people in, in this country right now?

>> we are deeply troubled, joy. this is a situation in this country where a man who has very clear white supremacist agenda has authority, power now to use department of justice to prosecute and criminalize. we are seeing that federal prosecutors, one of their top priorities is to detain and deport immigrants. it's really critical. >> and, you know, there is an ideological zeal to it that also is married to, i think, a bit of cowardous, if i may be so bold. written into the remarks that jefferson sessions, attorney general sessions, was supposed to give on the border, was a pretty stark line. then he said the trump era will rid the u.s. of this filth brought by cartels. that was in his prepared remarks. he talked about depravity and violence, calling cards, including brutal machete attacks and beheadings. and it is here on the sliver of land, he was supposed to say,

where we will first take our stand against this filth. now he didn't say that remark. he actually skipped it when he read it. but this was written into his remarks. >> right. someone put some thought into that. and it was approved. and think about this, joy. wh when he's talking about these beheadings, the drug cartel, this war zone, he's saying he wants to prosecute people as felonies. people who are fleeing those very things. and the fact of the matter, we have talked many times that the border is safer than ever. we have, you know, the border patrol is maxed out. we have all sorts of research showing that illegal entries are down. what jeff sessions is doing is try and convince more and more americans that undocumented people are violent, dangerous criminals. two, this is the scary part, to sort of set the stage that when the mass deportations are unleashed, then certain segments of america will just go along with it. and think about this. i mean, this is an administration, they don't have -- according to their

budget, they don't have money for education, medical research. meals on wheels, head start, elmo. they do have money, they do want to increase funding for things like locking up mormon mothers and fathers, mothers of disabled children, deporting someone who -- a victim of domestic violence. that is very troubling. and just for your viewers, deporting one person costs about $10,000 a day. so extrapolate that into what he wants to do. >> let's listen to -- let everyone listen to jeff sessions' speech in which he skipped the word "filth" written in his remarks. >> depravity and violence are their calling cards, including brutal machete attacks, even beheadings. they threaten the very integrity of our nations and our hemisphere. it is here on this sliver of land, on this border, where the first -- we first take our stand. it is a direct threat to our

legal system and to our peace and prosperity. >> he seemed sort of physically hedge on doing it. what we see is, i haven't seen one story of the trump administration departing somebody who was convicted of beheading someone. but i have seen plenty of reports about mothers who have american citizen children being deported, told you decide if you want to leave your baby or take your american citizen baby to live in mexico. >> absolutely. and, in fact, under sessions' memo that he announced this week, even u.s. citizens could possibly be criminalized. we are talking about sunday school teachers, churches, anyone who provides sanctuary or support to unauthorized immigrants. this is why i call this the beginning of a police state if we allow this to happen. let's not forget, in order for this deportation force to get off the ground, it needs congressional support, the budget, appropriations. and we as taxpayers -- today is tax day, calling on everyone who is watching, all taxpayers to go out to the rallies, town halls

and make sure we send a message to our elected officials to senate and congress to say not with our taxpayer money. >> and -- i think the public has sent a message to the trump administration, but they are really not listening. the latest polling this month shows that 60% of americans, a clear majority, that they support legalization or some path to citizenship for all of these undocumented people. only 16% favor this policy of mass deportation. this is just an administration that is pursuing its own route, even though it's not what people want. something else that people should be concerned about is immigration courts -- the courts that handle deportation and in these cases are not really in the judicial branch of government. immigration courts fall under the purview of department of justice. so when you think about it, there is a straight line from donald trump to jeff sessions to the new judges that they're going to put in place who will have tremendous power over the enforcement of our immigration law. and i want to remind people, this is a time -- this is a time

where immigrant families need allies. so may 1st is coming up, we'll see a lot of rallies around the country for that. i en courage people to come out and support them if that's where they're inclined. the immigrant community needs aallies right now. we're at a point right now where i feel very strongly around this issue. there are no sidelines. the positions are very stark. >> and it's stark and also very particular. we're not seei the deportation of irish immigrants. we just had a member of the irish parliament come here and stand on st. patrick's day and to see about the probably 50,000 or so undocumented irish citizens. we're not seeing european overstays -- these overstays being rounded up and sent back to denmark and to sweden and to britain. it's very specifically targeting latinos. >> and communities of color. >> muslims, exactly. it's black immigrants. >> are we failing somehow to maybe tell the stories of the

real people? >> yes. >> what can be done to sort of change this narrative? because jefferson sessions is trying to make the narrative they are deporting criminal, dangerous people. >> absolutely. and i think we have to remind policymakers and the public that we're talking about mothers. we're talking about mothers who are taking care of our children in this country. who are serving at restaurants, workers picking fruits. and it's your neighbor. it is the people in our communities. it's our family members. and joy, i think it's important what you're saying, is that this is a nativiest white sprem supremacist agenda. it's an attempt to radically change who we are as a country, what we look like and redefine who americans are. >> and the bottom line is this administration, they cannot -- prosecutions, incarcerations, deportations will never be a substitute. they're going to have to realize that at some point right now it's the amateur hour. but these are amateurs with a lot of power.

so it's a very scary time for undocumented people. and their families, their loved ones, everyone in their circles. >> not a scary time if you are the owner of a stock in private prisons. if you follow the money -- >> absolutely. >> criminalizing and it's about race. but it's also about lining the pockets of those private prison industry that has been big campaign supporters of this administration. >> absolutely. just in time for easter. thank you. thank you very much. and up next, the election that has dems across the country fired up.

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making phone calls. it's a hopeful and inspiring scene here in georgia. folks in the community are really standing up. it's a broad coalition ready for fresh leadership and we have a good shot tuesday of an outright win. >> that was democrat john osof in georgia's sixth district. the next opportunity to rebuke donald trump comes tuesday in a special election to fill health and human services secretary tom price's old congressional seat in suburban atlanta. the very red district that's attracting more money and national attention than it ever has. he leads a crowded field in the republican-leaning district and has raised a stunning $8.3 million. and he has the full support of a leading national democratic group. but will it be enough? joining me now, tara dowdell, and author of "gop gps". jimmy williams. and katin dawson, national republican consultant. i love this panel.

this is going to be fun. let's talk about whether or not he has a chance. i'm going to go around the horn and start with you, evan. osof is polling well ahead of the crowded field. here's the big i guess seven-person poll, 39%. karen handle, 15%. in a poll that just reduces that to just the top five, he's at 43%. karen handel drops to 12. does he have a shot? >> more than any democrat in modern history in georgia. i think osoff has been sitting in the 43% position for a couple months now and has to move up. it's just -- the dial is not moving. when the field narrows down to two candidates, it's going to be a very tough fight for him. he's got to find a way to pull up five, six points and really knock out the republican. >> and he needs to get to 50. the key here is that -- they call it the jungle primary. if he gets to 50, it's done. if he doesn't, he has to run this again. do democrats have it in them to

do this a second time and actually win this red seat? >> i think there is a commitment. a major commitment on behalf of democrats and also grass roots activists to try to get to -- to get him over the hump. now, obviously, all of the resources right now, every effort, everything is being focused -- laser-focused on avoiding a runoff. they don't want a runoff. if you look at the head-to-head match-ups, you look at him versus moody and moody is up. in a head-to-head, he loses to moody, according to the most recent polling, which is very problematic. it's also a 7% undecided margin in that polling. so i think the big push is to pull every grass roots -- every person that's -- you know, go beyond just sort of likely voters. get people who haven't voted. it's a major push going on and that's the focus. >> let's look at the ads against osoff. the congressional leadership fund came out with the following ad hitting osoff. >> john osoff lied about his

resume, and at a time where america needs serious, honest leadership, john osoff fails the test. >> al jazeera, a media outlet that has been described as a mouthpiece for terrorists has been paying john osoff thousands of dollars. >> john osoff, not honest. not serious. not ready. >> so i guess youth scare plus brown scare. now let's look at one of the ads for osoff, a radio ad featuring the one and only samuel l. jackson. >> stop donald trump, the man who encourages racial and religious discrimination and sexism. we have to channel the great vengeance and furious anger we have for this administration into votes at the ballot box. >> and, of course, that's a famous quote. jimmy williams, which is more powerful in that district down there in georgia? brown scare or get trump? >> the last democrat from georgia they did this to, the republicans, senator max

cleland, a triple amputee, called him a terrorist, said he was loose on the war on terror back in the early 2000s, and max lost his re-election to the united states senate from georgia. they're doing the exact same thing now. know this district. the sixth district is 70% white, 13% latino, 13% african-american. this guy, osoff, as good as he is, as much money as he has raised, good lord, that is awesome. he is not going to win this race. do i think it will be closer than the 30% democrats have been winning in that seat for the last seven or eight cycles, maybe he will. but that's because of trump's up popularity. the district does not change. the people are there. and it's special election, it's an off year, and guess what. most people won't even show up to vote. if they get 10%, that would be a huge number and i doubt they'll get that. osoff does not win this race.

>> do you concur? >> well, you're looking at fulton and cobb county, a white district. and one of the counties. what you're seeing is $8 million worth of national money in this race. i agree with everything that's been said. the democrats are going all-in. one of the big numbers was trump did not perform very well in this congressional district in the general. remotely -- remotely a race that was very tight, one or two points versus hillary clinton. so that's the motivation of the money to come in. the democrats are staking a lot of the democratic party is staking a lot on this one congressional district, where you have also got montana and kansas. you've also got one in south carolina, congressional district 5. so i agree. i think that heavy stretch is getting the 50. this is a louisiana type election. everybody is in. a lot of republicans are diluting the vote. i don't see any way he can do it. but the message the democrat party is putting out there right now is, this is a doable race,

and we'll see. >> caden we want back -- he went back to democratic party. we're going to have to work -- come and sit down and we'll have a talking to. he comes and goes -- >> joy? >> we say democratic on this show. >> joy? >> yes. >> i have a way to fix that. it's the republic party. >> the republic party. okay, we're going to do that. caden knows. that -- of course, terror is the challenge. you just saw in kansas ron estes versus james thompson, a squeaker, really, by democratic standards in a state like kansas. 53-46. this was a -- a district that trump won by 23 points. >> right. >> so is coming close enough for the democrats? or do they need to win this race in georgia in order for it to matter? >> obviously, we need to win. >> close is close -- >> close is close. i want to go back to a point made. a lot of the money that's coming in, yes, the dcc is putting a lot of money in it, but there's a lot of grass roots money coming into this race, which is important. so i think that, you know, a lot of the contributions under $200,

he has a record amount of those contributions. that's important. these are testing grounds. this is -- you know, if you can do really well and come very close in districts like georgia 6, which newt gingrich represented this district for years, if you can come close in districts like this, where republicans have essentially walloped democrats, each election cycle. election cycles in a row. if you can come close in these districts, then the 23 targeted districts, the ones where hillary clinton won, then that tells you that you have a real opportunity at those districts. so i think it's okay to put money in and invest in a district, even in an uphill battle like this. you need to test and see what works and what doesn't work. and then put that effort and make that -- adjust that strategy for the winnable districts. >> and especially when you have an unpopular president like donald trump. karen handel, one of the also ranked candidates, at 12%, also implicated in the coleman for the cure planned parenthood thing.

this is the underlying message. you saw donald trump sign the bill, allowing the defunding of planned parenthood. do you think the democrats are playing it smart as tara said, to invest for the future, if not for this cycle? >> here's what a lot of people are missing about all of these special elections. is this is about narrative-setting for the 2018 election. we are going in as republicans. into kansas, into montana, the congressional leadership put in $1 million, and rcc put in a quarter million. we're doing that because we want to ship the narrative. whether or not these are canaries in the coleman are irrelevant. it's about the next 18 months, about energizing that democratic base. if we can snuff that out, that helps the republican party. democracy immediately seized on that when they failed to take into the account that estes was a member of sam brownback's candidate. and sam brownback is so unpopular, there are communicable diseases. and at the end of the day, we have to -- take into account

these races are only about setting the cycle for 18 months and energizing. >> we love this panel so much, we're going to keep them all. this is a hostage situation at this point. they're not leaving. tara, evan, jimmy will join us again. coming up at the top of the hour, live coverage of the tax day protest as activists demand donald trump release his tax returns. up next, my guests will tell me who won the week. "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses.

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you know what time it is. time to find out who won the week. tara dowdell. who won the week? >> certainly former for nikki haley, u.n. ambassador moved above the fray. has been consistent about not liking russia. and i think certainly she's the individual who won the week.

the company who won the week was the boeing aviation company who gets to sell another $16 million -- 22,000-pound bomb. i've got a two-fer this week. >> you're just a nikki haley is running for president, right? you can tell us that right here on "a.m. joy." >> nikki haley said she wasn't running for anything. she's doing the job the president hired her to do. >> you're probably already working on her presidential campaign. >> i've always been for nikki haley. >> i think she gets too much credit for bringing down the confederate flag. there were corporate voices calling for it. she rode the wave but certainly rode it well but got tons of credit for it. jimmy williams, who won the week? >> the pro-life movement won the week. the president of the united states signed into law a bill that defunds federal grants to

the states, title x of a bill that richard nixon signed into law in 1970. it represents about 4 million women who use planned parenthood to get their health care. i'm not talking about abortions, i am talking about mammograms, pap smears, contraception. vice president pence tried to defund it when he was a member of the house. the president of the united states signed that bill into law. the only two places other than private funding that planned parenthood gets their funding from is from title x and medicaid, so the medicaid piece is still there. this is a big win for the pro life movement. women who don't have contraception, that gets in the way of unwanted pregnancies. it's a remarkable stupid move on their part but a very smart political move. >> another way to put that is women lost the week this week. jimmy, the question is whether

or not -- there's always a question of whether or not on the democratic side these things translate into votes. >> sure. >> on the republican side the appeal for pro-life always translates. >> democrats have to be smart and get off their butts and mobilize women who are usually low income women and usually in urban areas to actually go and get out and vote in 2018. evan is right, this is all about 2018 midterm elections. if women who don't have contraception and pap smears and mammograms want those back, they better get up and go vote. >> that's always the key for democrats to figure out how to get their base to vote in midterms. all right, evan, who won the week? >> first of all, i just won because jimmy admitted that i, a republican, am right. >> that is correct. >> but i had two other winners. first is david farn hold of "the washington post." he earns a well-deserved

pulitzer. the other one is h.r. mcmaster. mcmaster has drained the swamp of several people should not be involved and he's putting in very qualified people to give recommendations to the president. additionally. one thing he's doing which many people have had problems with, especially in the military community, he's taken the power away from d.c. and somebody in d.c. to make military strategic decisions and given it to the generals on the ground. it's the lesson from vietnam as mcmaster understands it and he wants to avoid a repeat. >> we do have civilian control of the military for a reason. if you unleash the military to do whatever they want, you get more civilian casualties, more liberal use of the moabs. >> civilian control is great and i'm all for it and so is mcmaster. what we were dealing with in vietnam was micromanaging the war in d.c. commanders on the ground know what's happening in realtime.

you can't go back and ask for a recommendation. you don't have that much time and it's keeping troops alive and unvoiding unnecessary casualties. >> i wish congress would have that debate. >> i wish congress would work. >> tara, who won the week? >> i would say united airlines' competition. everyone who is not united airlines. particularly southwest airlines. united airlines was teaching a master class in what not to do in a pr crisis. i mean they ticked off every single box of fail in this crisis and it was quite stunning to watch an entity of that size with those resources, $2.3 billion in profit, self destruct in such a gigantic way. southwest airlines came out and they were saying we beat the competition, not our passengers.

>> i think it is sort of strange that it took so long to the to get apology. the apology was the obvious pr 101 thing to do right off the bat. what does the panel make of the smearing of mr. dao, of the gentleman who was dragged across that airline floor? >> it's so dumb. it doesn't matter if mr. dao has a criminal record or not. he was beaten unnecessarily by security and the airline mucked it up. >> it's a pattern, though. this is a pattern where law enforcement immediately goes to smear the person that they have victimized. so i thought it was reflective of a national trend that continues to go on. i do have an honorable mention for who won the week. >> yes. >> it would be the local candidates in illinois that unseated republicans at the local level, seats that were long held by republicans, all politics is local. >> absolutely. let me give you my nominees. one, the space protest won the week. is a nominee for who won the week.

the guys that were on apollo 14 and quoting edgar mitchell who said viewing earth from space, you want to grab a politician and say look at that, you son of a -- they were calling for respect for the climate. janet jackson also won the week. she had a baby, even though she's having a divorce. speaking of babies, april the giraffe has had a calf. our staff here at "a.m. joy" was very excited about april the giraffe having a calf. but the answer is out of all those nominees, me, joy reid. why? there it is. i got to meet hank aaron. that is awesome. today is the 70th anniversary of jackie robinson integrating baseball. i got to meet the great hank aaron at an event in atlanta, so i won the week. there you go. i think he and his wife watch the show so we love you, hank.

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