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let's begin with -- first, morgan radford, she's in new york's bryant park. ali vitali is in washington, d.c., and our maya rodriguez is in atlanta. so let's start in the nation's capital where protesters plan to march from the capitol building to the lincoln memorial. ali vitali is there for us. set the stage, what's going on right now? >> reporter: you can probably hear we've got some people talking about the resist movement. this is another offshoot of that. the movement that we've seen since the inauguration, people standing up to president trump, demanding in this instance to see his taxes. we saw right after the inauguration the women's march where people were protesting his stance on women and the things that he said about women. you see some of those pink hats here in the crowd. but largely a lot of the signs that you see here are people demanding he release his tax returns saying it's basic to make sure that his interests in the white house are not serving

his interests as a private citizen. let's take a look at what he had to say. >> knock off the secrecy, mr. president, and publicly release your own tax returns. disclosing tax returns is the very lowest ethical bar for a president and we are going to insist that he clear it. >> taxes is where we start today -- >> reporter: so that's a little bit of a sense of what we're talking about here. people really looking to get him to release his tax returns. after covering his campaign, i can tell you that's probably not going to happen. >> they're loud. we certainly hear them and they're passionate. ali ali, thank you. let's go to new york city now. morgan radford is there. morgan, do people think they can get the president to release his returns or is this more of a

symbolic march or maybe both? >> reporter: a little bit of both, sheinelle. in fact some people are saying we hope he rurn heturns his tax [ inaudible ] you can see -- look at these signs. the march itself is just beginning. you can't even get past the police barricades. one millenial who had a sign said pepsi, you can't save us and it was a play on the kendall jenner pepsi ad. so we're seeing younger people and older people who said they have been through a series of protests not only here but in their lifetime. people are saying, look, as a public figure, you are required

to deliver a public account of your contribution to this country. they're saying we're working people, we're immigrants. on april 15th, on tax day, we're required to provide our contribution, so we want to know what is yours. but they're also asking questions like is there something nefarious in play? are there relationships with russia? are there conflicts of interest? what do we not know and what are you going to show us if and when you release your taxes. >> good reporting there. way to go with the concentration of talking with us with that in the background. i know it's really loud there. thank you, morgan, there in new york city. now let's take you to atlanta where we find maya rodriguez. she's walking right now with some of the marchers. what are protesters telling you today? >> reporter: yeah, sheinelle, out here we've had several hundred protesters. we just left central park in atlanta. protesters starting to make their way through the streets of atlanta. right now we have several hundred walking in front of us. of course their main concern here, having president trump

release his taxes. joining us right now is one of the marchers, jerry style. thanks for being with us. tell us why you decided to come out here today? >> well, my daughter has been very active in the anti-trump resistance movement. went to the march in washington, the women's march, and she convinced me to start taking part in some of the local events. so i've been with the movement in spirit, but this is the first actual march i've attended. >> why did you decide to come out here at that? why was this issue important for you? >> well, the republicans and president trump are about to launch a tax reform program and yet we kno nothing abo his taxes. we don't knowhether those changes they want to make are going to put money in his pocket, his family's pocket, or whether they're going to help the average person. without his tax returns, we'll never know that. >> and that's the main concern that we've heard out here today, sheinelle, is that presidential candidates, presidents are not required by law to release their tax returns. that's something that a lot of the protesters have told us that

they want to be able to change. they actually want a law in place that would require that of presidential candidates and presidents and even going all the way down to school board members, something that they would like to see take hold across the country. back to you. >> maya rodriguez, thank you. we'll continue to check in with you throughout the afternoon. president trump meantime remains in florida at his mar-a-lago estate. wee told he's in contact with his top advisers as washington keeps an eye on north korea and other hot spots. let's go to kelly o'donnell who's with the president there in west palm beach. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, we're making some inferences about what the president is doing and his contacts with north korea because it's a holiday weekend and frankly the white house has not been commenting on what has happened with respect to north korea and its founders day celebration and the display of new munitions that were a big part of what was happening there in pyongyang. today the president is at his trump international golf club not far from where we are right now and is spending the weekend

here at his mar-a-lago home. we do know that he's got some staff with him, but not the typical complement of the most senior white house staffers who have on many other trips traveled with him, so that's a little bit different this weekend. but as far as the policy, there is certainly a big development today with the vice president beginning a trip that will first take him to seoul, south korea, and be part of a 10 or 11-day trip depending on how you count the time zone changes for vice president pence and his wife, karen. part of what they will be doing especially in seoul is trying to represent to the south korean people the u.s. commitment to protect that ally in a very dangerous situation there. obviously they are closest to the nuclear threat from north korea and at the same time the trip is much broader than that and planned well in advance of these new tensions that have certainly developed. so the vice president will have an opportunity for some face-to-face diplomacy over the

next several days and president trump has been talking about his new partnership with china, hoping that president xi can be helpful, but at the same time recognizing that there may be limitations to that because of china's certainly close relationship to north korea. the biggest sort of sponsor country for north korea, but not able to control kim jong-un. so president trump is saying the north korea problem, the threat of their expansion of nuclear capability will be dealt with with the u.s. and other allies. he hopes china will be involved. if china is unsuccessful, president trump says it will be handled without them. >> all right, kelly o'donnell there in west palm beach. thank you, kelly. with me now, we have seema mettah. good afternoon to both of you of seema, it's sunday in north korea. the fact that they did not test a nuclear weapon on their holiday, what does that tell you? >> they certainly took a lot of pride in marching ballistic

missiles through the streets but i think the united states had a show of force. i think we sent a warship over there. we have the vice president going to south korea. sort of reassuring south koreans of our commitment in this issue, so i think that it's a good sign that they didn't test. >> do you think the white house should be looking at this as a victory of sorts, no nuclear test? >> well, sure. no nuclear test is probably seen as victory all around but they were showing off new missiles. experts were looking at this parade and trying to catalog all the new missiles they were seeing, trying to figure out which ones weren't painted over old missiles and new ones. they did identify some with the possible range to reach the united states. north korea has continued to rattle their sabres quite a bit and president obama warned president trump that he should keep his eye on north korea and donald trump has said north korea is one of our biggest threats right now. >> seema, kelly just talked

about president trump. what should his message be? >> he is going there with an economic message because we withdrew from the transpacific trade partnership he's going to assure peep we aren't withdrawing economically from the region. >> it seems president trump has changed position on a number of issues. take a listen to this. >> i'll tell you about nato. it's obsolete. and we're paying too much money. i said it was obsolete. it's no longer obsolete. they are grand masters of currency manipulation. president xi wants to do the right thing. we had a very good bonding. >> it's not just nato and china, he's taken a much harder line on russia. how do you account for these changes? do you think this is just how he feels in the moment or are there concrete policy changes behind all of this? >> listen, every president says

once you become president, it's sort of a really fast-paced university section in world politics and what's going on, so it's clear that he is learning new things. some of his supporters will say, oh, well, he created the change that made nato no longer obsolete because he's causing them to all pay up. there is a clear shift in a lot of these different policies, like you guys pointed out. it's clear that he is starting to get more understanding of what's going on as president, what's going on around the world. some people are saying that he's starting to go more towards this establishment republican presidency, which not all of his base might be too happy with. >> seema, another headline that follows from his changing positions, one about so-called palace intrigue. steve bannon reportedly being sidelined but not fired. what do you make of all that? do you agree that he's too dangerous to fire? >> he obviously knows a lot of secrets. i'm not sure i'd want somebody who knows all of my secrets working against me.

i was talking to some republicans in d.c. and they said yes, there's a lot of gossip and a lot of talk but a number of them thought the idea that he was going to be sidelined or fired, that it was a bridge too far. so we'll see in the next coming days. >> let me try to squeeze in one more question about the white house, the fact that it's not going to disclose visitors to the west wing. what should we take from that? >> i think a lot of people see that as a basic administrative thing but it's really big for us to know who's coming to the white house, who's coming to talk to the president, what kind of lobbyists, foreign ministers, who is coming. and in the obama administration, it's not like we were getting it day by day, it was delayed, and the administration still had the chance to scrub certain names they thought was important for national security. this is a clear signal the administration is sending to the media and the public at large that they don't think that we should know. that they know better than everybody else about who should know is coming to the white house. now there's talk about just setting up journalists at the different entrances of the white house to try to spot who's coming in and who's coming out

because that might be the only way we know. >> okay, seema mehta and hadas gold, thank you for talking with me today. my next guest is trying to figure out why they're trying to keep the visitor log secret. i'll ask hugh hewitt next.

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>> and thank you, sheinelle. happy easter anticipatorily. it's good to be here. >> what do you make of all of this? >> well, i don't think the decision yesterday. i was on with brian williams last night on the 11th hour explaining the only good reason i can come up for making this decision is so president trump can publicly reverse it. there's no real reason for doing it because journalists will find out anyway and secret meetings can be held all over town. one was held at the willard hotel back in the middle of the cuban missile crisis. but i'll say this. they had two weeks of great news coming out of the white house, beginning with the confirmation hearings of justice gorsuch, then his confirmation, his actual breaking of the reid rule to break the filibuster. they had the response to the syrian use of sarin. they had the afghanistan use of the moab. great visit from president xi, great visit from the nato secretary general. just no reason to step on your

momentum. i think the decision of the logs does that. i'm skill quizzical about it. >> so if you're in your minds, which is hard to do, in your opinion how does the trump administration benefit from this? don't most people want to see greater transparency or at least the optics of it from the white house? >> at least the optics of it, yes. that's -- in fact i want to underscore that. >> i threw that in there because that's the reality. i mean frankly, like you said, you can go to a coffee shop and keep names off the log. but at least the optics of it, the announcement of it like you said was a blow. >> it's not -- it was not, i thought, thought through. there's a new book out about chiefs of staff at the white house. i don't know that reince priebus was consulted on this or they thought it through. it might be something you'd want to do in a political campaign. it might be something you'd want to do in the transition when you don't want to embarrass people interviewing for jobs and it's something that can be done, for example, when people interview to be one of the 20 circuit court judges who are going to be

named by the president over the next few weeks. but you have exceptions in the rules for national security and privacy already. so i hope they reverse this quickly and get back to the news that he was making, which is it looks like general mattis and the vice president and general dunford and everyone in the chain of command of reasserted american coherence and effectiveness abroad. the north korea crisis is real, the afghanistan offensive is successful, the pressure in syria is significant. i wish they would just stay focused on that as opposed to dueling with the media unnecessarily. >> we talked about transparency. let me ask you about the news of the day. tax day protests are taking place all around the country today. they're calling for the president to release his tax returns. do you think the timing of this decision on the white house logs just hours before the protests began, was that intentional or what should we make of these protests, what do you think? >> well, i don't think they're connected, number one. number two, i think the protests are significantly underwhelming

me today. i was in washington for the women's march and that was enormous, huge and significant. i think the kansas 4th district disappointed democrats. they dropped 25,000 democrats in turnout. they're not going to flip the 6th in georgia next week. they're going to be disappointed again. and the confirmation of justice gorsuch took a lot of wind out of the sails of democrats nationally that we're beginning to see. so the president has actually found his footing, with the exception of this decision and a couple of other missteps earlier in the month. i begin to feel, again i'm a conservative, i'm a republican, i voted for donald trump. i begin to feel democrat sort of exhaustion at fighting things they can't really change until 2018. >> you say you're a conservative, and listen you will say if you don't like something like you talked about this decision about the logs. with that said, if you take away some of the signs that are a little inflammatory, isn't there something to the argument that he should release his tax

returns? >> oh, sure, i asked him that on air in 2015. i asked him again during the debate. i wish he should. i think every president should. >> what is the truth, why won't he? >> so i always -- i believe in transparency. i thought mitt romney waited too long to release his. i always believe in releasing tax returns, but he's not going to do it. what i think is perfectly crystal clear is most of the american people don't care. >> why don't you care? why doesn't it get under your skin a little bit that he won't? >> because i care more about north korea. >> i understand that, but if we take each issue as it is, why doesn't that bother you? why is that okay? >> just because on the hierarchy of needs, if i may borrow from psychology, it is so far down the list of what's going on in the world that it doesn't grate at me the way that the left wants it to. while i would like to see them, i am much more happy that we have got general mattis, the secretary of defense, and rex

tillerson at state and justice gorsuch that i submerge that issue of taxes way, way down on my list of priorities. so we come back to the same issue. what matters most to the individual. to me it's national security and the courts. so i don't care as much about something that bothers me like the white house logs or his taxes. transparency issues generally. >> i hear people screaming at the television, but the thing is you think what you think and a lot of people agree with you. so me yelling at you is not going to do anything if it doesn't bother you. >> you put up with so much grief whenever i come on. you're another one of those northwestern people -- >> i'm sure i'll be talking to you soon. hugh hewitt, enjoy your weekend. >> thank you. still ahead, the fear of terror. how it led to a mad human stampede. that's coming up next.

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of the president's tax returns. let's go to nb's morgan radford who's there with quite a crowd that seems to be growing by the minute. what are people saying? >> reporter: that's right, sheinelle. you can feel the energy out here. we've got thousands of people here in bryant park and we're walking north about 10 to 12 blocks to end up at trump tower. right now people are saying it's time for you to show your tax returns because we as working people have to contribute to this country and we want to know that you're contributing to this country and there aren't any conflicts of interest. we have people young, old, from all walks of life saying they want to see president trump's tax returns, including miss sarah silverman here. you're walking, your marching, you're listening to the crowds. why did you come? >> i was raised to be an active citizen. i'm from new hampshire. my parents are -- oh, my god, this camera is so close to me. >> welcome to my world. >> and that's what we do. you love america, you love your

country, you have to speak out and speak up. i think regina specter, i saw her and she said something that really penetrated, which was it's time to fight for our country, you know. and that's what i intend to do. i love this country. i was raised to know that it's an honor to pay taxes, it's important to pay taxes. that's part of being an american citizen and helping each other. >> considering it a privilege. why do you think taking to the streets is such an important form of activism? >> because we're living in a time where honesty has no currency and i think because of that, it's kind of all we have. and the only way to really penetrate this administration is to take to the streets and to be relentless, because they're very smartly being relentless. we're bombarded by myriad

atrocities every day, and it's exhausting. it is wearing us down. we have to rise up and not get tired of doing it constantly, because it really makes a difference, i think. >> so what's the best case, do we think he's actually going to release his tax returns or is this more symbolic? >> i cannot even imagine -- i've not been able to predict the future at all in the past year and a half, i'm not going to try to now. i have no idea what's coming up. you know, the unknown is scary for human beings so we have to be brave. >> and the symbolism is important. thank you so much, sarah, we appreciate it. so we have myriad of voices out, people here cheering and we're about to start walking all the way to trump tower. flexing u.s. military might. what are the influences pushing president trump's use of force? i'll ask a democratic member of congress, next. way to say this.

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welcome back. i'm sheinelle jones here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. at the half hour, here's what we're monitoring. police say the stampede and mass hysteria at new york's penn station last night was set off by popping sounds. people thought was gunfire. it was actually sounds of a taser amtrak police used on an unruly man but travelers didn't know that at the time. >> all of a sudden i saw a whole bunch of people running. my first instinct was to run because i thought there might be a shooter in here. it was a stampede. it's a nervous time. so everybody is really scared. >> 16 people suffered minor injuries. the man being tased was later led out in handcuffs. today marks the fourth anniversary of the boston marathon bombings which killed three people and injured more than 250. earlier today, boston mayor marty walsh laid a wreath at the finish line of the race to honor the victims. and plans to execute eight death row inmates in arkansas

are now on hold after two stays and a preliminary injunction. appeals are challenging the use of a drug its maker says is not intended for lethal injections. from north korea today, a stern warning to the u.s. and a flex of military muscle. officials threatened to respond a preemptive u.s. strike as all-out war. they said they will hit back with their own style of nuclear attack. mike morell says u.s. rhetoric may be escalating the crisis. >> we have a new president and kim jong-un is trying to challenge him, to get him back to the negotiating table. barack obama did not run to the negotiating table every time there was a provocation. kim jong-un wants to get back to a situation where we give them gifts when we do something bad. we are also making it worse with our bluster and by sending aircraft carriers in there,

we're raising the crisis. >> the backdrop for this was a stunning display of military firepower on the 105th anniversary of the birth of the grandfather of kim jong-un and founder of north korea. let's bring in democratic congressman david cissillinni. >> good afternoon. great to be with you. >> how concerned are you by today's military show of force by north korea? >> well, i'm very concerned about the escalation and rhetoric that seems to be developing and obviously the show of force by the united states in sending our aircraft carrier and our strike unit to the waterways outside of the peninsula. obviously the north korean leader who used the grandfather's 105th birthday to have a big military parade and show the accomplishments of their military. so this is a very serious situation. this is a nuclear power.

estimates are anywhere between 6 and 20 nuclear weapons the north koreans have. this is a head of a regime who's seen what happened in libya, what happened in iraq and perceives that his ability to stay in power is connected to their possession of nuclear weapons, so i think this is a regime we have to take seriously. obviously the united states cannot allow them to have the ability to launch those nuclear weapons anywhere near the united states. so this is a serious confrontation. i think the best course of action is to use our economic, our deppmatiplomatic, our polit power to help bring an end to this potential conflict. but this will not be easy to resolve. this is a head of a regime who has a lot at stake and who so far has been immune from any actions that have caused him to change his behavior in any way. >> excuse me.

let me throw in china in this discussion. president trump has been calling on china to rein in north korea as you know and promising to solve the issue of china doesn't. but yesterday i thought it was interesting, china issued their own call with the chinese foreign minister asking the u.s. and north korea to stop making threats and to start dialogue. do you think the president's approach to north korea is causing the situation to escalate if he keeps tweeting, if you will, and the rhetoric is just so high right now? >> there's no question the rhetoric has gotten very high and the actions. you know, the sending of our aircraft carrier into that region, the strike unit as well as the threat of additional testing by the north koreans. but the rhetoric by the head of the regime and some of the president's rhetoric is escal e escalating there. i think the chinese admonition that everyone should de-escalate it to avoid a confrontation is good advice. we should be using our economic, our political, our diplomatic

power to put pressure particularly on china. china plays a real role in facilitating this regime. without china's assistance, this regime would not survive and so china has the ability to play a very important role in ending this potential conflict. i think the president has to keep pressure on china to do it. some wonder how much china can actually do in terms of directing the regime. i think the answer to that is a lot. so we need to kind of keep pressure on the chinese to do all that they can to prevent the north koreans from any further aggressive action that might elicit a response from the president of the united states. >> in your opinion, did president obama's policy work over eight years? essentially north korea is closer still to an intercontinental ballistic weapon they could equip with a nuclear weapon. >> it shows the challenge of

dealing with a nuclear power. there is no question that there have been efforts at containment and economic sanctions, political sanctions, just trying to isolate the north koreans from the rest of the international community, use our international organizations to put pressure on them, to put pressure on chinese, who is really the principal power that sort of protects them. there's not an easy answer to this. i do think we have to do everything humanly possible to avoid a military engagement, a military strike, because we're talking about potentially the start of a massive conflict. this is a nuclear power who has the -- >> it's scary. >> yeah. so we have to be cautious, we have to think about this very carefully, use all the tools that we've to attempt to put an end to this potential conflict and only use the military, i think, as an absolutely last resort. >> speaking of the military, the military pulled out the big guns dropping the mother of all bombs in an isis-controlled area of afghanistan.

let's listen to what president trump had to say about the decision to use that bomb. >> what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done a job, as usual. so we have given them total authorization and that's what they're doing. and, frankly, that's why they have been so successful lately. >> how do you interpret that remark about total authorization? do you have concerns about that? >> well, i mean, look, we have civilian control of our military by our commander in chief for a reason. i think we don't want to have military officials making all the decisions about whether we engage in a military activity or not. but i think in this case what the president was intending to convey is this was a decision made by the four-star general as a normal part of combat operations. it was for a very specific reason. it was a very remote area. it was underground tunnels. it was identified as an isis -- a place where there are a number of isis fighters. so that huge bomb could be used

without very much risk. this was a very particular use but i think in terms of combat operations, this was a normal decision for the general to make, but i do worry about saying, you know, they're going to make all the decisions, i've given them all the authority, normally you don't want your president to surrender that. of course with this particular president, we all have some concerns about the way he's responding to the use of military force. he certainly sees that as a way -- he sees it as improved his standing in the polls after the syria strike and the afghanistan strike. what we do not want is a president making decisions based on political considerations but instead is focused on is this in the best interests and the national security interests of the american people. >> it's almost like you're reading my notes. >> strategy for our long-term safety and security and not to be influencing in any way what it might do to you politically. i think we have to demand that the president make decisions that are in the best interests of the american people and our

long-term national security interests. for a president who seems obsessed with his popularity and his standing in the polls and who could use a boost, i think we just have to pay close attention to these activities. >> i only have 20, 30 seconds left but finally do you think we're seeing the trump administration's foreign policy take shape, with the sabre rattling and military action? if so, what could that mean for the american people and our viewers watching? >> no, i don't think we're seeing a foreign policy. i think we're seeing a set of actions sort of one-offs. but i don't think we've seen from this president a coherent strategy, an explanation of what his plan is in syria, what his plan is with respect to north korea or how he sees the u.s. role in afghanistan. we're seeing particular events and particular actions. but what we really need is a well thought out plan that he presents and sells to the american people and to the congress of the united states. >> congressman david cicilline, thank you for your time. still ahead, reflecting on hillary clinton's defeat. the author of a new book says

clinton made one big mistake that probably cost her the presidency. and next hour, president trump's new world view. is it more militaristic than diplomatic? when you have something you love,

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for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. happening at this hour across the country, dozens of marches protesting president trump's refusal to release his tax returns. you're looking at protests live in new york, chicago, atlanta and washington, d.c. in fact let's go to nbcest ali vitali in washington. ali, what's going on right now? >> reporter: sheinelle, i'm sure you can see behind me we're right by the capitol. around me there's people that are gathering from the protests staged right at the steps of the capitol to protest donald trump not releasing his tax returns. if you can see on my right, we have people who are around me gathering with signs ready to march from here at the capitol down over to the trump hotel, which is just down the street. what a lot of these people have said to me and what a lot of their signs are also saying is they want him to release his tax

returns but also pushing for more transparency in general from this government. it calls to mind something that happened yesterday actually. president trump is actually in palm beach this weekend but his administration did announce they will not be releasing visitor logs from the white house. so another sign of a little bit less transparency that we're used to from the prior administration, the obama administration did release those visitor records. and so now you're seeing people demanding more transparency from their government and not necessarily getting it. we did see throughout the campaign that trump refused to release his tax returns, at that point saying they're under audit. that is still an excuse the administration is using but that doesn't preclude someone from releasing their tax returns and does break with decades of precedent of presidential candidates who did release their returns. so a lot of folks out here are saying, both lawmakers and the protesters we see around us, this is a normal base line for ethics and something they want to see from their elected officials, especially donald trump, sheinelle. >> maxine waters is one of the

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when donald trump is in charge, all that counts is ability, effort and excellence. . >> ivanka trump may be the most prominent voice in the white house, particularly on issues pertaining to women. perhaps in light of that, a new poll shows ivanka is the most popular white house adviser. 46% of voters have a favorable view of her. look at kellyanne conway, 30% liking her. hillary clinton returning to the speaking circuit and talking about her election defeat. >> it is fair to say, as you just did, nick, that certainly

misogyny played a role. that just has to be admitted. and why and what the underlying reasons were is what i'm trying to parse out myself. >> joining me now is susan bordeaux, author of "the destruction of hillary clinton." susan, good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon, glad to be here. >> what could hillary clinton have done differently and what did you mean by that? >> well, i think you underestimate your own power and persuasiveness. i don't really consider it a mistake that hillary made. i think that once the e-mails became the overriding focus of attention, generously aided and abetted by gop feeding red meat to the media, then of course

aided by comey, a couple of very well-timed for the gop announcements, there really wasn't much you could do. the narrative was so compelling. we kept returning to it, repeating to it over and over and over that it became nailed in people's minds. and i think in particular, when it was revived, just 11 days before the election by james comey and at a very, very key moment, a moment when donald trump's "access hollywood" tapes had just been released, many women have come forward accusing him of sexual groping. his numbers were going down. republicans were quitting ship. and then comey came on board and revived all of the questions about hillary's trustworthiness that had been so concentrated on during the course of the

campaign. >> susan, with that said, you've written that the media was preoccupied with optics. let's look at a trump campaign rally. this is two days before the election. take a look at this. >> hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to seek the office of the presidency of the united states. >> lock her up! lock her up! >> it's all coming back to me, the chants about locking her up. how did the optics work against clinton? >> oh, my gosh. well, of course you've shown the most extreme version. it was a very powerful version. because people were goaded on by trump to see hillary as a criminal. that convention footage that you showed was just the pinnacle of incitement of the crowds to see

hillary as a witch, a bitch, a criminal. and notice the language. bitch, witch -- >> okay. let's not say that again. the conservative anti-trump writer wrote a blistering commentary in new york magazine. he said hillary lost the electoral college despite winning the popular vote by almost 3 million and running against someone with stratosphere narratives. i wonder why trump is in the white house and then i remember, hillary clinton put him there. did she simply run an incompetent campaign and spend too much money in states she couldn't win while sacrificing in places like michigan and wisconsin? >> well, i know the current thinking, the narrative is that hillary ran an incompetent campaign. i don't happen to subscribe to that narrative.

i think that -- you know, let's talk for a minute about those states. for one thing, she did visit a number of them throughout the course of her campaign and she was the first to show up and worry about the michigan water crisis. but then, too, when you imagine the view of hillary being presented to the people in what has been referred to as the working class, one of the things we forget is that people in the working class work. they get up in the morning, they go to work, they come back at night. they hear whatever sound bites and watch whatever tickers are on the tv in the morning and later on and what they got were fragments lifted out of context. what they got was what hillary herself described as a person who would become by the end of the campaign typhoid mary.

>> it's one of those things i'm out of time but it's a conversation that we'll be having for months and years and decades to come, really, what happened with this campaign. >> i agree. >> susan, thank you for your time. >> absolutely. and that wraps up this hour. up next, richard lui and a look at north korea's military might. i have a great day. it's not how fast you mow... it's how well you mow fast! it's not how fast you mow... it's how well you mow fast. they're not just words to mow by, they're words to live by. the john deere ztrak z345r with the accel deep deck to mow faster, better. take a test drive and save up to 250 dollars on select john deere residential ztrak mowers. make earning bonus cash back so why do scomplicated?k cards they limit where you can earn bonus cash back

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