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cities. the president has yet to release his taxes and says he won't because he's under audit. nbc's katie beck is live in portland, oregon, where the protest just got under way a short time ago. what is the latest? what are you seeing? >> reporter: well, the protesters gathered here on the plaza and then headed on their routes. they are going about a mile from the plaza and then circling back. several hundred protesters today. the mood was very positive, the energy very good here. no violent interactions, no clashes, no police. they left about 15 minutes ago and expect we'll take the same route they took for the women's march in january. what we've been hearing from people today is a message of accountability. it's tax day, taxes are on the mind. donald trump's tax returns are at the top of people's mind here in portland, many people, saying that they feel that the president owes it to them to disclose all of these financials to show his ties, to explain

what he hasn't yet, which is what's in those taxes. so we've been hearing from people all day long. most of them acknowledge these marches happening across the country may not result in the president releasing his tax returns but they say it's not really about that. this is about sending a message to washington, having their voices heard, and being clear on the issue that people do care about this. back in january senior white house official kellyanne conway said we won already and people don't care about his taxes anymore. these folks here are trying to send a different message today here in portland >> that message being heard. nbc's catie beck. north korea a show of military might and warning of war. kim jong-un rolled out their intercontinental ballistic missiles. experts say they have improved capabilities from previous versions. the elaborate military display included tens of thousands of

soldiers honoring the country's founding president, u.s. officials on high alert for the possibility of north korea to launch their sixth nuclear test they warned "a big event was near." the u.s. is prepared to launch a pre-ememptive strike if that happens. senior intelligence officials said north korea responded with a warning of "all-out war if the u.s. strikes." janis mackey freyer is in seoul with the latest. >> reporter: there was a massive parade of missiles and military hardware on display in pyongyang. the regime promised a big event and delivered. experts believe they saw one, perhaps as many as three new types of intercontinental ballistic missiles. kim jong-un said the weaponry will one day be able to reach the united states. kim jong-un backed the regime's

latest threat that the u.s. faces all-out war and annihilation if north korea attacked. this tension escalated with speculation that north korea was about to carry out a sixth nuclear test or a missile launch. what distinguishes this escalation from past crises is the role of china. china is emerging as a broker, being an ally of north korea, and also the country's main economic lifeline. china wants both sides to back down, and move more toward talks before things spiral out of control. now, neither side at this point is willing to do so and the risk, of course, with all of the anxiety is that a mall mistake could lead to terrible consequences. yasmin? >> janis mackey frayer reporting. president donald trump is monitoring the situation from mar-a-lago and vice president mike pence arriving in south

korea as you can see right there overnight, a brief time in alaska. kelly o'donnell is with the president in west palm beach following the white house's reaction to a warning of war. >> reporter: good afternoon, yasmin. after several hours at his trump international golf resort in west palm beach the president returned to his march-a-lago ho, here for the easter weekend holiday with family. lot is playing out on the world staining with no comment yet from the white house on the actions in north korea to celebrate the founder's day, and the surprise that no testing or launching of missiles was conducted by pyongyang. that is good news for the trump white house especially when you consider the work president trump has been doing to try to bring the chinese along to assist, to use their leverage over their close ally, north korea, to not exacerbate nuclear tensions. we also have seen how when the president hosted japan's prime minister here as well as the

chinese president, north korea has been a major concern. it will remain so over time, as we expect that their capabilities could even within a matter of years produce a weapon that could travel all the way to the united states. the more short term concern is that countries that are allies like south korea are very much within range of north korea, so vice president mike pence heading to seoul. he and his family will be there as part of a four-country trip over the next ten days. this is a preplanned trip but the timing is useful, because of the increased tensions and vice president we're told will try to show solidarity, will express an ironclad commitment we're told to those allies in asia to try to deal with north korea, to try to keep the threat level lower and some experts who say the actions the president has taken on syria and in afghanistan may have also had the at least short term effect of a caution to north korea to not provoke with its own testing if president trump has shown his willingness

to use american military heigmi. >> let's talk about this kelly o'donnell for us thank you. joining me in washington is nbcnews.com ali vitale. ali, what are you hearing from your white house sources on their reaction to north korea's threats of an all-out war? >> hi, yasmin. the white house is largely mum on this today but trump is monitoring the situation while in florida. few things kelly touched on that are important for us to consider here. the military strike taken in syria and later in afghanistan a separate military strike those signal the trump administration is willing to be aggressive on the world stage and they will respond in syria's case to wmds, in that case it was chemical weapons in syria. that sends the message to north korea this is an administration that is willing to act if

provoked. and that could as kelly earlier said, stymy the action from north korea. the bilateral summit last weekend with china, president trump repeatedly said he wants to involve china to help kind of broker more of a peace between north korea and the united states, to deescalate tensions, and that's something that we're waiting to see if china's willing to play that role but president sump said he'll use that brokerage and leverage from the chinese or go it alone in whatever way that means. we haven't heard the specifics of that. there's a few different angles you want to keep in mind when you're thinking of north koreans potential aggression as you look to this weekend and the other factors the trump administration put in play to show they will act on the world stage. >> sean, talking about china's role, they're telling both sides to cool down, take it easy, figure out what you're going to do, use your words, you know, in appropriate, in an appropriate way and at least publicly that's

what they're saying, but let's not forget, china helped north korea build their nuclear arsenal. do we buy, can we trust china and their public stance and view on north korea? >> its really warrant to keep in mind china's interests in the region are not the same as north korea's and not the same for the united states. for china north korea is a strategic problem because they care about the preservation of the regime even though they may not like the regime. they need stability and predictability from the north koreans. they don't want to see a kind of crisis that precipitates some humanitarian disaster, refugees flowing across the borders, any other serious destabilization but at the same time they are not pleased by the presence of such a huge american military footprint in the region. they don't necessarily want to see a unified korea under whose capital is seoul.

they're walking a complicated geopolitical tight rope. they have some leverage on the north korean regime but they're not going all along with what president trump wants them to do. >> why wouldn't they want to see a unified korea. why does this benefit to stay the status quo for china? >> on multiple levels. there are over 100,000 chinese soldiers who lost their lives defending north korea, something that exists large in the public imagination there and on a more immediate geopolitical level, they don't necessarily want to see another great asian power on their border, especially one that is so close to the united states, and the north korean buffer which is what it is right now, is a useful one for them strategically. >> is it true so long as kim jong-un in is office, ishaan, that north korea will remain the way that it is, and take the aggressive stance that it has taken over the past many years that he's been there? >> well, the kim dynasty, all

this posturing over weapons, the great totalitarian spectacle we saw taking place in pyongyang, this is all familiar to anybody who has been watching north korea for some time. this is the language by which the regime there asserts itself on the world stage, and all these repeated missile tests and even the five nuclear tests they've done in the past. this is part of their ability to exercise themselves in the world stage and extract concessions from both china, south korea and the u.s. and other regional partn partners. >> ali, you're in d.c. where there's massive protests. we talked about therlier, demanding president trump release his tack returns. what more are you hearing about that, since we last spoke? >> reporter: while we're focused here on north korea, the protests i was covering a little bit earlier that was definitely not one of the topics that was front of mind. i think for those folks that were out there by the thousands in d.c. and then of course around the country, you have people who are really focused on

transparency from this white house. that's important when you consider of course the tax returns perspective of it, the impetus for them getting out on the streets and marching today, we went from the capitol to the trump hotel and towards the washington monument but also the second piece of it, yesterday's decision from the white house to not continue the obama precedent of releasing visitors logs who have visits the white house here and the obama administration had previously voluntarily released those, although some of them were partial logs because they were able to withhold some of the more sensitive meetings, but of course the trump administration not continuing that at all. so there is an extra layer now of secrecy in terms of what the public knows is happening at the white house, specifically who is visiting the white house, and so i think the protests today can really be put in that context where this is a group of people who are out on the streets protesting, yes, we want to see trump's tax returns but also we want to know what our government is doing, who they're meeting with and what's going on there. it's two-fold in light of the news yesterday. people out here in a positive

way but fired up and really, really feeling that movement again. >> quickly, ishaan, doubling back to north korea, what is the worst case scenario here? what capacity does north korea have and could they feasibly hit the united states? we talked a couple hours ago they could easily hit the lower 48. >> well, they showcased today a couple of missiles in their grand military parade that potentially could have the capacity of reaching the united states, but the real worst case scenario everyone is worried about for a long period of time is a steady escalation that leads to a situation where the north koreans feel provoked enough to launch attacks on their neighborhood, that is, you know, reduce seoul, which is just across the border, to a lake of fire, a sea of fire as they commonly say in their rhetoric. so we're looking at a situation where the north koreans already have the capacity to inflict great harm, that would obviously lead to a huge military response

as well from the united states, but that's why for so many years all sorts of presidents or different administrations strategic thinkers elsewhere have always taken a carefully calibrated diplomatic track with the north koreans because so much is at stake and with this current administration, we're seeing a slight changing of the script with its very overt declarations of unilateral threats. >> ali, quickly, what is the administration expect vice president mike pence to accomplish in his visit? >> reporter: well i think that the balancing act for the vice president will be maintaining that the united states can be aggressive if need be, but also trying to take a more conciliatory tone as well trying to be there as a little bit of a bridge between the tensions in the region, but i think from a trump perspective, remember he ran on this america first message that did put forth this idea you wouldn't be putting americans in harm's way unless it was in american national interest, and so if we were to

have military action in north korea, he suffers the crux of that promise by having to say okay, this is why it's in the american interest to go in and further involve ourselves in on the world stage because that's something that he really was wary of when he was on the campaign trail, repeatedly saying we shouldn't have gone into iraq and bemoaning the american presence on the world stage in the middle east and beyond and so i think this is going to be another example of is that a campaign promise that sticks or can he sell this if he needs to sell this as an america first, this is in our national security movement, our action. >> ishaan and ali, thank you both for joining me. up next, more marches happening across the country where people are marching to pressure the president to release his tax returns, as i just spoke to earlier. live report from the march in new york city next. you're going to be hanging out in here. so if you need anything, text me. do you play? ♪ ♪

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following a clash between supporters of president trump and anti-trump protesters in berkeley, california. this was the situation a short time ago, for a time there, a lot of pushing and shoving, some punches were thrown. police say projectiles were thrown including fireworks and property damage as well. taking a live look now at the scene, where several people are still gathered, but things are significantly calmer there. protests were held across the country demanding president trump release his tax returns including one blocks away from us at trump tower. president trump said he can't because he's under audit, all this on what should be tax day. morgan radford has been live on the scene. thanks for joining me yet again. it looks like things have calmed down. the last time we spoke you were marching down the street and we could barely hear each other. >> reporter: we were in the throes of it. right now in front of trump tower, which these days seems to

be the sage of resistance. this is where people convened finally at the end of that march. we marched from 1:00 to 4:00. we followed all the people from bryant park to trump tower and they were marching because they said look, today's supposed to be tax day, april 15th and if we as citizens, as immigrants and working people have to pay our taxes, then you, president trump, as the official leader of our nation, should be required to deliver a public account of your contributions to our country. they were young. they were old. the energy was everywhere, but take a listen to someone special who you might recognize and why she said she was out marching today. >> i was raised to, uhm, know that it's an honor to pay taxes. it's important to pay taxes. it's part of being an american citizen, and helping each other. the only way to really penetrate this administration is to take to the streets and to be

reletless. >> this isn't abo partisan issu. this is about being an american and protecting our democracy. >> reporter: so you heard from sarah silverman, and we also heard from actress debra messing, gave a very impassioned moment, speech to president trump, but she said look, if you have nothing to hide, why don't you just go ahead and release them, and that's what we heard a lot of the marchers saying today. look, we think there is something more nefarious he's hiding. if he's not coming forward and not being forthright and years past all presidents released their tax records, why won't he? are there other connections perhaps to russia, are there things improper or show a financial conflict of interest? that seems to be the concern, but when i asked people, yasmin, why were they out here, why were they choosing this form of activism as a way to get their voices heard, they said look it's as much about pressuring him to release his taxes as it's about saying look, we're standing outside of trump tower

and being vigilant, watching you and holding you accountable as our country's leader. >> morgan, you covered a loot of these protests over the last couple of months covering the immigration ban protest a few months ago and also after president trump was electred president. how does the protest today compare to those that you've also covered? >> reporter: that's a great question. in terms of size, i'd say it was in keeping with what we expected. we had about 15,000 rsvps to this new york protest, but this was also held in boston and philadelphia, and cities across the country, but what i felt interesting about this protest is that it was slightly more creative than some of the other protests. sometimes they go get violent than some of the other protests. this was largely peaceful. people had creative signs. the one i chuckled when i saw a young woman a millenial said "pepsi can't save you" tongue

and cheek to the pepsi ad regarding protests. we saw people using cleverness to make their voices heard and came together young and old and said this is why we're here, because we believe that a responsible america is one with an accountable president. yasmin? >> do they think washington will hear their message, morgan? >> reporter: weg your pardon? >> do they think washington is going to hear their message? >> reporter: things have been quiet in washington in terms of response. they think that he's watching it but any indication in the past with regards to him tweeting even on our own network when it comes to "snl" he's usually watching and tweeting. even though today it's been quiet, they feel confident their voices are being heard and if not, the power of their marching is being seen. >> nbc's morgan radford for us, thank you. up next, pope francis celebrates holy saturday at the vatican and the latest piece of legislation signed by the

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welcome back. i'm yasmin vossoughian live at msnbc headquarters. protesters marching in the streets demand the release of president trump's tax returns. berkeley, california, a face-off between pro and anti-trump

demonstrated turned violent briefly. and aleppo, at least 100 people were killed in a blast near evacuation buses outside the city. vice president mike pence on his way to south korea. pence briefly stopped in anchorage alaska before his travels. he's expected to arrive in seoul, south korea overnight. it's early sunday morning in north korea. on saturday the nation unveiled some of its newest military weapon weaponry. the recent saber rattling by the north korea and u.s. is the latest drama. joy reed takes a look back. >> reporter: the u.s. ended world war ii with two nuclear bombs dropped on japan in 1945. it also ended japan's powerful emtire, including its rule of the korean peninsula 130 miles

away. the u.s. and the soviet union divided korea between them choosing more or less at ran dam the 38 parallel as the dividing line. the soviets installed a communist government including kim il-sung and grandson kim jong-un rules today. in 1947 the united nations called for elections in a unified independent korea but the soviets allowed to allow u.n. observers in the new york. the two sides had separate elections and separate constitutions. they both declared themselves the only legitimate power. in 1950 north korea invaded the south. the u.s. responded with what president harry truman referred to as a police action. it was the united states first undeclared war, necessary, the president said, to stop the spread of communism. without u.s. support, south korea's weaker military would have likely quickly succumbed to the north. instead the war raged on for three years with the u.s. fighting for south korea, and

china and the soviet union fighting for the north. 4 million people died including 37,000 american troops. the war came to a stalemate in 1953 with the boundary still at the 38 parallel. but although a truce was signed, no peace treaty was ever put in place, meaning the south and north are still technically at war. and the u.s. is still very much involved. we have 30,000 troops stationed in south korea, as the very erratic and unpredictable kim jong-un doggedly pursues a nuclear weapon capable of reaching the united states. >> thank you to msnbc's joy reed. watch joy 10:00 a.m. weekends right here. china's foreign minister is saying on friday "the u.s. and south korea and north korea are engaging in tit-for-tat with swords drown and bows bent, and there have been storm clouds gathering." joining me mike the forsyth of

the "new york times" previously based in hong kong and beijing as well. thanks for joining me. very much appreciate it. why should china help out with this situation? >> it's definitely in china's interest to help out because it wants to preserve stability in the region. stability has been the hallmark of china's economic miracle and growth for the last 30 years. if there's a war in the region that goes down the tubes. south korea is china's fourth biggest trading partner, fifth by some measures, so it would be a big blow to the chinese economy if there were a conflict in the region and certainly they're worried about refugees on their border, all sorts of things. it's in the interests of china to try to do something to stifle a conflict. >> i talked about this earlier in the show but china helped build north korea's nuclear arsenal, right, now that north korea is dangling this nuclear arsenal, how can we trust china in all of this, they're putting one face forward but how do we

know there's not different discussions going on behind closed doors? >> we don't know and the relationship between north korea and china is extremely complicated. there's lots of different parts of the bureaucracy in china that deal with north korea, and in fact, north korea has a special relationship with china. they have a friendship treaty of many, many decades, they fought together against the united states during the korean war. like i said there's an entirely different apparatus in the chinese communist party that deals with the north korean workers party that makes that relationship different. it's hard and also the border, 880 mile long border between china and north korea. lot of chinese entrepreneurs want to make money and trading with the north koreans trying to make a buck. it is difficult for the chinese central government in beijing to control some things so they do have the capability if they get serious about it to have an impact. >> president trump had a hard line on china, right, in the run-up in the elections and after also being elected president of the united states,

calling them currency manipulators and now he flip-flopped on that and said they're no longer currency manipulators. do you think this is part of the strategy moving forward to get china on the u.s.'s side considering the threat from north korea? >> i don't really know. i think it may be some of it as a learning curve as well. now that he's president, he's talking to the chinese. he was on the phone with president xi jinping the other day. he's learning a lot. so it may be more of a function of that rather than bargaining chips. calling china, taking that off the table is obviously a big win for china, so certainly that would help the u.s. make its case it wants more help from china on north korea. >> what is the relationship between the leadership in china and the leadership in north korea? is it a good relationship or icy one? >> it's not as close as some

people might think. the current leader kim jong-un has not made the trips to china as the other leaders, his father, kim jong-il had been there a bit. i was chasing him around trying to get a glimpse of kim jong-il myself. there haven't been that many visits and the economic relationship with south korea is far, far, far more important to china. >> china's economic relationship with south korea. >> it's a huge trading partner. south korea biggest trading partner and the trade between south korea and china is about 30, 40 times greater and this the trade between china and north korea. it's just an order of magnitude, many order of magnitude larger so it's a complex relationship. >> so you bring up south korea, vice president mike pence making the trip to south korea, how important are they to this whole equation? >> south korea is obviously very important. i think it's very notable that in seoul you don't see people panicking. you don't see people fleeing the capital. seoul is within artillery range of north korea's artillery, and

so if you don't see that panic, that tells you something. on the other hand, i think that's the big picture we all need to be looking at here, a war, if there is a war, would be just devastating, so this talk of you know, war, the saber rattling going on between the white house, including north korea, is the underlying issue is there's millions of lives possibly at stake here, so i think that's one thing we've got to keep in perspective. >> quickly, they're telling me to rap, but do you think that the leader of china was as re p receptive to president trump as he said he was during their meeting at mar-a-lago? >> i think he certainly listened to president trump and he certainly wants to influence president trump and influence the way he thinks about china and the region. >> michael forsyth for the "new york times" thank you very much. appreciate it. all right, so that was then. this week the president's flip-flops on foreign policy created a west wing whiplash, trump reversing a number of policyi issues and campaign

promises starting with china. take a listen. >> i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china a currency manipulator. >> ten days later he switched gears, the president telling the "wall street journal" "they're not currency manipulateors" then came his reversal on nato. >> i'll tell you about nato. it's obsolete and we're paying too much money. >> but that was then. this is now. >> i said it was obsolete. 'no longer obsolete. >> "it's no longer obsolete." trump said he likes and respects fed chair janet yellen after blasting her in september for being too political, then secretary clinton and a multitude of other flip-flops over the last few months. it begs the question is all this signaling a political shift in the white house or is this a temporary learning curve? joining us is chip saltzman and

atina amara. do you think the president will look out at the crowds we've been covering throughout the shows that want to see his tax returns and pull a flip-flop on disclosing tax returns, do you think he'll present them? >> i don't think the tax returns are coming out. they can protest and march as long as they want to but that's not going to happen. >> that was a short but quick answer. >> it is a short answer. he's done everything he's legally supposed to with disclosures. he doesn't have to do his tax returns. we've gone an election nobody really cared about it. i don't think he's going to do it post afternoon electi-electi. >> i do agree he's not going to release his taxes. we have quaint ethic laws and we've just had a standing honorable tradition of releases your tax returns, had we had laws or more very complete conflict of interest laws in place to address this, this would be a different story but that's not the case and he can not do it if he doesn't want to.

>> atima are the flip-flops of president trump energizing your pace in yo base in your party? >> i wouldn't say that is. if anything there's a bunch of "i told you so" a guy who very much shaped his campaign around saying, you know, basically saying i'll lock her up or anything that kind of got the base really, really going, and then it kind of turn around cynically and change his opinion on a lot of those things, i think what's energizing us is his policies, his defunding of planned parenthood overnight, his specifically beliefs on foreign policy, his taking away workers protections for women and lgbt, signing those regulations that, is energizing our base particularly i would say. >> chip, what do you make of the president's flip-flopping on sort of the closest person that we thought was to him in the white house, chief strategist steve bannon, at one point saying that he knew the guy, he's known him for years, super confident in appointing him to that job and now saying he

really doesn't know the guy, just a guy who works for him. >> i think one thing we've learned in the 80 plus days in the trump administration, expected unexpected. that's this week. look, steve bannon was a big part of the trump campaign especially in the general election. he was a big part of the early part of the administration. i suspect he'll be there for a while. i think the way we have to learn, there's people up and people down in the trump administration, depending on what week it is. >> when it came to then candidate john kerry, chip, flip-flop was used a lot in reference to john kerry and used by a lot of republicans in reference to john kerry. going forward do you think republicans can use this against any democratic candidate moving forward, considering what we have experienced with now president donald trump? >> well, i'll go ahead and admit i used it against john kerry during that presidential, too. >> glad you admit it. >> i admit it freely but i would say trump, it may seem the press treats trump like a normal politician, because he's not.

>> well he's the president, after all, bill. how are we supposed to be treating him. >> he sees everything as a negotiation. when he goes in to china and says i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to call them currently manipulators, when the chinese delegation gets to town, they already know that their back's up against the wall and they're willing to negotiate from day one. i think what trump got out of this trip from the chinese is, maybe we're not going to call you currently manipulators any more but you are going to help with us our korean issue. you are going to get involved in your backyard and we have hey two administrations back-to-back, one republican and one democrat, that's failed to get china involved in the korean situation, and trump did that over one weekend. >> how do we know what to believe, chip, then? >> look, trump looks at everything like a negotiator. he'll set the table the way he sees it to see he can extract what is best for this country, what is best for the american people and i firmly believe that what he did with china. i think there's always going to be folks on either side that go

oh he's a flip-flopper. he said this and now he says this. everything's a negotiation with him and i think that's how you've got to couch everything as you move forward. >> you're saying everything is a negotiation with him but his flip-flopping on nato does not seem like a negotiation. seems like two completely different views on an organization. there's no negotiation there. >> yes, absolutely. >> i want atima to answer. >> sorry. >> i was going to say when you see something like that, of course it's going to be evolution, it's going to be people well let's have a noninterventionist approach on foreign policy. you get in the white house and the times we live that's very impossible. but to completely reverse on something is pretty much where trump has been a lot of the times. he built a campaign that worked hard to get a base up and running and going and excited to put him in the white house, and now he's there, he's sort of changing it, changing it so hard even the press secretary this week, sean spicer, couldn't even explain where he came one wanting to change on export/import or on his position on china. so i kind of look at it honestly

as a disingenuous move as someone who is very cynical and you know, either he's not that bright or simply put together, i don't think that's the case in trump's case,is think it's more so he built his campaign on rhetoric and moving wherever the way the wind blows. >> final word, chip? >> the press make sure you don't cover like a traditional politician because he's not. >> i think we know that by now but thanks for telling us. >> we elected a disruptor, he's done that in washington. most of the people i talk to outside of washington and kind of the media bubbles, they're happy with what he's done in the first 80 days. >> chip and atima, thank you for enjoying me. >> happy easter. >> happy easter. in arkansas a judge halt executions of seven men. so when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. they offer free cancellation,

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the time has come for me to look at new ways to serve the good people of our great state. i have decided, it is time for me to step down as alabama's governor. >> so that was former balance bam governor robert bentley acknowledging his resignation after pleading it goody to a sex scandal that ended his marriage. he was elected with strong support from conservative christians. many of whom were disappointed with the news of the affair of but others were big to give hip a pass arguing it was more about the issues than what you do in your personal life. so joining to us discuss the christian divide, executive

editor, jay richards. thank you for joining me. very much appreciate it. so i want to start with a quote from a "new york times" article that piqued my interest. er it had become clear for conservative christians, the cultural and political issues that define modern conservative politicians. the idea that moral hypocrisy is not true if you're sound on the fundamentals. they go on to say that you're pro-life and anti-marriage equality. what do you make of this? >> i think if you look at donald trump, this may be what "the new york times" was thinking wflt donald trump no, one claims as he good conservative evangelical christian. nevertheless, a lot of christians support him. maybe the assumption is that moral issues or personal fidelity issues no longer matter to social conservatives. i don't think that's the lesson. i think people treat donald trump as a uniquent at this.

i think with the governor of behalf behalf, more traditional views apply. long time married man. so he held up specific christian sexual mores. so it made sense that voters were likely to apply that to hip, precisely because of his profile. >> this came out about a year and a half ago. and he maintained his place in office. >> that's right. and until legal allegations came forward, he maintains this. every case will be slightly different. we're talking about alabama. i think that it is much more of a liability. i think if he had been a politician, it would have been less. the fact he was a the baptist and a deacon and speaking a good game on marriage and being charged with misdemeanors, smat point it piles up, but i don't think that christian voters are holding donald trump to exactly the same standards.

i think precisely because he think they understand who donald trump is. look, the die naturalic back ground. it is not a part of hits identity west would expect from him. >> is there now more of a divide between younger christians and the conservative right christians, that the younger christians aren't referring to that red line anymore? and i use that term "red line," that those issues aren't resonating as much with the younger new age christians as they do the older more conservative christians? >> i think it is at least if you're talking about younger evangelicals. they're not as concerned about marriage issues. i've mattered most millennials support same sex marriage. i don't think that's true for abortion. i think for catholics and evangelicals, i think they're big issues in the 2016 election. and i think it is not just for older people.

i think you're right. there's a bit of a divide when it comes to the marriage question. >> traditionally, christians and catholics, christians and catholics, they vote republican. how is that it the republican party is to retain a lot of these voters moving forward? is there something they need on ghang the way they communicate with a lot of younger christian voters that aren't necessariory graug red line? >> i don't think necessarily. i think sometimes tone on issues like life and marriage and immigration is more important than the republican policies on these issues. it is a longstanding tradition that younger christians tend to be more liberal than married christians with children. so i think this takes care of itself. i think the republican party has to look at its tone on certain issues. it will play to millennials. we were supposed to be talking about the first would that president in office in 2017. and suddenly donald trump happens. i think a lot of russ recessing the conventional wisdom on these

things. >> thank you for joining me. appreciate it. that wraps it up for me this hour. here again on msnbc. stay with us for updates and breaking news as it happens. "all in" with chris hayes is up now. tonight on "all in." >> with her, you'll end up in world war iii. she doesn't know what she's doing. >> with heightened tensions from syria to north korea, a foreign policy novice -- >> what i do is i authorize my military. >> -- surrounded by generals and fans. >> well, one of my favorite things is watching bombs drop on bad guys. >> tonight i'm joined by the congresswoman calling to curtail the president's use of force. then the russia probe. >> i don't remember. we'll see what comes out in this fisa transcript. >> warnings with trump campaign linked to russia that came from u.s. allies in 2015. plus, a show of force. [ audience chanting "shame on you" ]