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>> i don't think so, but i wouldn't rule it out. to prevent north korea from having a missile with a nuclear weapon that could strike the united states, and we would have to rely on our ability to intercept, and by the way, i'm told we do have that ability, is still awfully risky business. >> meanwhile, democratic senator jack reed urging president trump to build up the state department to counter north korea's provocations. >> if china can be brought to a point where they are putting pressure constantly on north korea, there's an opportunity, i think, to try to freeze their systems and roll them back. but there has to be a long-term, deliberate, day by day strategy, and one of the things i think that's harming the president is he's getting good military advice from general mattis and general mcmaster, but he needs a much stronger state department. >> north korea's missile test coincided with vice president mike pence's trip to south korea. he said the u.s. commitment to

the region has never been stronger, telling troops the missile test was merely a provocation. >> this morning's provocation from the north is just the latest reminder of the risks each one of you face every day in the defense of the freedom of the people of south korea and the defense of america in this part of the world. >> and nbc is in that part of the world in seoul for us with more. janice, hello to you. >> good morning, alex. just hours after a massive military parade showing off missiles and hardware, north korea carried out that missile test, firing what's believed to be a medium-range or submarine-launched ballistic missile from the east coast. u.s. officials confirming to us that it failed. they detected it, traced it, they say it blew up almost immediately. this is a deep embarrassment for kim jong-un, as u.s. warships are heading to the region to deter this very sort of provocation. that north korea fired something

is not a surprise. there's been speculation for weeks that a nuclear or missile test was in the works. what isn't clear will be the reaction, or the extent of it. at least from the u.s. president trump had said that north korea is a problem that will be dealt with, but so far he's been silent on this. only a brief statement acknowledging the test and its failure, and that coming from the defense secretary-general james mattis. vi president mike pence is on a ten-day tour in seoul right now and meeting tomorrow with south korean officials about u.s. security assurances, but even the vice president has barely acknowledged this test, which suggests this is now the official white house policy, at least for the time being, is to not give north korea the sort of attention it's seeking. alex? >> all right, thank you so much for that. let's turn now to west palm beach, florida, where kelly o'donnell is traveling with president trump. kelly, i know we both are listening to janice's report and

they have not been super forthcoming with information, but are we hearing anything else from the president or in his administration today about what happened in north korea? >> it is an understated reaction, alex, from those administration officials who appeared on the sunday shows and from the president himself, via a tweet, a reference to china and its assistance with north korea, but not any reference directly to the failed test that took place around the founder's day celebration in korea. so janice is right, the approach from the trump administration is to not add anymore attention to kim jong-un and to not try to encourage him to show more regression or provocation by getting a global attention from someone as significant on the world stage now as donald trump. that's often a way of trying to contain a foreign leader where there's some disagreement between the u.s. not wanting to put them at parody, especially with a new president and one that's trying to say he's going

to show a certain toughness in world affairs. so that's what we're having at this point. of course, it's also the easter holiday, the president and his family went to church services. they are back at their mar-a-lago home and will be traveling back home to washington, d.c., later today. now, on "meet the press" today, john kelly, formerly a general, but now in the position of secretary of homeland security, based on his military background and the homeland security piece of assessing threats, he was asked about the danger posed by north korea and given the fact they can't, as far as our understanding of their capability, can't reach the united states, but there are other aspects where north korea does pose a danger to the united states, so here's secretary kelly on "meet the press." >> in the case of north korea, you know, a kinetic threat against the united states right now, i don't think, is likely. certainly a cyber threat. so we would raise various threat levels in the event that something happened.

>> and, of course, part of the u.s. strategy is also to have cyber capability toward north korea. that is covert, of course. and kinetic activity, referring to a hot war, not just a threat. so secretary kelly giving his assessment about how north korea fits into the national security piece for president trump. expect that this will continue to be an area where he will try to work with china, and we've heard about how the vice president meeting with partners in asia on his extended tour, they want to build a united front in the world and want to try to not only prevent kim jong-un from expanding his capability, but really try to prevent his testing to show military prowess, to really try to clamp down on that. not an easy thing. a big challenge for the united states, as it has been for quite some time, and many say it's one of the biggest national security challenges that president trump still early in his term faces. alex? >> all right, that's the focus,

that's for sure. thank you so much, kelly o'donnell from west pal beach. joining me now, retired army genera mccaffrey. always great to have you on. i want to get right to some of the things you have said, among them, you're not as concerned about what north korea's doing right now, although you say, sir, they have 15 nukes, so why do you think the next five to ten years are more critical? >> well, alex, by the way, the background vice president pence with general jim brooks and i mention that, i think the chain of command we have watching the korea situation, from general brooks on the ground, the pacific commander, u.s. navy admiral, secretary of state jim mattis, these are very stable, experienced people. they brought together some short-term military muscle to add a little leverage on the chinese, but, look, it's the end of the day, secretary bill perry, brilliant man, has

essentially argued, and i totally agree, we're not going to get the north koreans to do away with their nuclear program. they will in a fairly short period of time have an icbm that can threaten the united states. they will have submarine launch ballistic missiles in a reasonable five to ten-year time frame, so are we actually going to conduct a preemptive military strike on north korea? not ever. the south korea w't sign off on it. it would be a short-term disaster. but we've got to build ballistic missile defense that is robust and has the technical capability to tell the north koreans, look, it's not going to work if you fire these things. >> where do you think we would put the ballistic missile defense and what would that look like? in the past there was all sorts of things, you have the dome in israel, you have the star wars during the reagan administration. what's it look like to you and where? >> by the way, good piece of

it's already there. the constant sort of media reporting on it is how bad it is and when the tests don't fully work, but i've been to fort greeley, alaska, where we actually have strategic ballistic missile defense capabilities. we're now putting thad, a short-range system, into south korea. it works. the navy has a splendid cruiser system that works, and the army has pack three patriot missiles that work. so some of it's already there. >> now, general, you talk about thad going into south korea. it's my understanding china wants thad nowhere in that region, because it threatens them in some way, and if we have to work with china to make things come about in north korea, how's that going to happen? >> well, you know, there's always conflicting considerations on these things, but again, i say there's absolutely no question in my

mind, we have to field enhanced ballistic missile defense. otherwise ten years from now, the united states is going to be hostage to a very dangerous situation. >> ten years from now, what, because that's the time by which the time frame in which north korea will have an intercontinental ballistic missile? or submarine missiles? >> yeah, i think ten years, we ought to view that as a 99% guarantee they'll have a workable, believable icbm, probably sooner. so, again, china has some concerns. i think most of it is nonsense. they should understand this is a defensive, vital national security interest on the part of the united states. south korea, japan, the region. we're already feeling it. we now need to enhance that system until it's regional in nature and we're fairly sure it works. credibly enough, so we can tell the north koreans you're wasting your money. >> hang on a second.

fairly sure that it works. doesn't have to be 100% foolproof? do we have ten years to get it to that level? can we get it to that level? >> well, you know, again, with our very aggressive reporting of our own failures, we have frequently callen about our own deterrence. what we want to do is communicate the north koreans we have a workable defense, and by the way, we already do have some elements of it in place, and then we have to privately tell them if you launch a nuclear strike on our regional allies, the u.s. armed forc or hawaii, we will reply with a nuclear strike and obliterate your state. that has to be the basis of deterrence. we don't want to be in a situation where we have to respond to north korea because they threaten to strike the continental united states. >> but in terms of deterrence, sir, we have the deployment of the carl vinson strike group.

did that play a role, do you think? did that anger or, you know, just tick off north korea enough that they decided to deploy, or at least try to deploy that missile, which failed? >> well, i think the koreans, north koreans, are extremely aggressive. they are irrational. we don't know what this young leader's source of advice is. his generals get shot if they don't applaud enthusiastically about his speeches. so if they are very unstable leadership situation in north korea. south korea, as we all know, is in the middle of an impeachment and replacement of the president, so it's politically unstable. look, alex, the u.s. armed forces, with the south korean armed forces, could destroy north korea in 180 days. there's no question with conventional capability. the problem is, it would be a disaster for south korea, north korea, and the region.

so it's off the table. we're not going to strike north korea, in my view, preemptively to try to take out the nuclear weapons. >> all right, general mccaffrey, always a pleasure to talk with you. thank you. why is the white house planning on making visitor log secrets from here on out? we have some answers on that next. we're both stuck in this cube farm and you're about to hit 'send all' on some embarrassing gas. hey, you bought gas-x®! unlike antacids, gas-x ® relieves pressure and bloating fast. huh, crisis averted.

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this latest missile test just fits into a pattern of provocative and destabilizing and threatening behavior on the part of the north korean regime. and i think there's an international consensus now, including the chinese and the chinese leadership, that this is a situation that just can't continue. >> and that's national security adviser h.r. mcmaster weighing

in, following north korea's unsuccessful missile launch early this morning. joining me today, paul singer and white house columnist for "the hill." welcome to you both, always good to speak with you. paul, you first here, we have h.r. mcmaster also stressing all the options are on the table to deal with north korea. what kind of action are we hearing to all of this on capitol hill? >> well, i think at the moment what folks on capitol hill really want is a meaningful strategy. honestly, there is some concern, we don't know exactly, president trump has said all along he likes to be a little unpredictable. this is exactly what worries us, of course, about north korea, they are also unpredictable. they are now being a little provocative. mr. trump frequently likes to be provocative. i think folks on capitol hill would like a clear strategy of what we do next. as you heard mr. mcmaster say, this has to stop, they are doing the wrong things, but it's not clear what levers we actually have that we can pull to influence north korea's

behavior. i think you're going to hear a lot more from capitol hill when they get back after the recess about can we talk about what we really can be doing? >> interesting now, senator john mccain said on "meet the press" today this could be the first real test for the trump presidency. you're a white house columnist. what are you hearing from the white house about all of this? >> clearly, the white house does see north kea as a threat, alex. they see it as an opportunity and a way for president trump to show some muscle. he's, obviously, very adamant he will never back down, but i do think paul raises an important point about this notion of unpredictability. does perceived unpredictability work because other regimes are fearful of it, or do they think they in turn have to show their military mite as a counterweight? i think the jury is out on that point, and we'll see how it develops. >> what about your latest

column, "has trump gone washington"? what do you mean by that? >> this is an idea the washington establishment is grateful or appreciative of the moves that president trump has made on a whole range of issues, from nato, export/import bank, and some personnel moves that have moved him away from the sort of steve bannon ultranationalist tendency towards a more establishment footing. that has been welcomed by some people. senator mccain mentioned he was hopeful the establishment had sort of got to president trump, but other people who are trump die hards don't like that idea, because they elected him as someone who is going to shake up washington, who was going to really change the way business is conducted here. >> what about the lack of transparency, paul? because the white house now saying it's no longer going to make public the white house visitor logs. what is the rsoning there? how do you interpret that? >> well, this one is

particularly close to my heart, because i've done investigations of the white house, the obama white house, based on those visitor logs, and these are logs that become public of who came, what lobbyists came through to meet with what official in the white house. the white house is saying now, a, there was all kinds of holes in the system anyway, and, b, there are security issues releasing that information to the public, which i think is nonsense. but it is a step back from openness, and it worries me as a reporter, because now i can't say that this lobbyist or this person was at the white house, meeting with this person on that day. and six months ago i could do that. >> yeah. let's talk about the special election in georgia, and i'll begin with you, paul, on this. this is happening on tuesday, it's for the health and human services secretary tom price's vacated house seat. democrats are certainly putting their hopes in their candidate, he has raised a ton of money, but, of course, money isn't everything, right, paul? >> right. the problem there, something

like 18 or 19 candidates in the race that are splitting the republican vote. if nobody gets to 50%, it goes to a runoff, and at that point you have one democratic candidate, presumably, against one republican candidate, then the republicans can coalesce and it's less likely. democrats at one point were saying they felt he could win in this first round and get over 50%. that would be huge. if he doesn't, i think their odds look much worse. >>ou ow, neal, this race is one of the first referendums of the trump administration. do you think they are overselling the implications here? >> not really, to be perfectly honest, because i absolutely agree with paul's point that money isn't everything, but what the fundraising in this race shows is just how energized the democratic base is, how much money they are willing to give, even to a candidate who's by no means certain of ultimately winning, so i think that the

specifics of the georgia race may not have national implications, but what it illustrates of a democratic enthuse yichl and frankly the intensity of opposition among democrats to president trump, those things i think do have national significance and i think republicans see that, as well. >> paul, what we learn about the kansas race there, the seat to fill, the margin by which the republican won not anywhere near where they won in the past. >> you do see this energy. we had a story a couple of days ago where i don't remember the exact numbers, but the gist was at this time in the 2016 election cycle there was, like, 900 women who had registered to run for various local seats and house races and this year they think there may be as many as 11,000 women, almost all democrats, so you're seeing this tremendous energy amongst democrats, motivated and mobilized by mr. trump's presidency. the question we don't know, a, is there an offsetting

republican energy, as well, because he'such a transformative figure, and, b, does it last till 2018? >> that's the question, will this last? long way to go to keep up this kind of energy. good to see you both. thank you so much for coming in on a holiday. apologizing for mistakes and getting lampooned on "saturday night live." i'll ask a former adviser to hillary clinton how sean spicer should handle his image. are allergies holding you back? break through your allergies. try new flonase sensimist instead of allergy pills.

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welcome back, everyone, i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. as we're approaching the half hour, here's what we're monitoring for you. votes are still being counted in turkey after today's referendum, which could greatly expand the power of president erdogan. with reportedly 97% of the ballots in, the yes vote is said to be leading by almost three points, and if approved, it may allow erdogan to stay in office until at least the year 2029. opponents of the reform say they would create an authoritarian government. high banking officials say the trump administration is looking it to china for an economic oripmatic solution following north korea's failed missile test, a day after pyongyang celebrated the 105th birth anniversary of kim il-son.

today trump's national security adviser h.r. mcmaster said it's important to stop north korea's nuclear program. >> what is clear as long as their behavior continues, as long as they continue missile development, even though this was a failed missile, they get better and they learn lessons, and so what's critical is for them to stop this destabilizing behavior, stop the development of these weapons, and denuclearize. >> and vice president mike pence arrived in south korea just this morning for a ten-day trip to asia. joining me now, a former fbi double agent and also author of "how to catch a russian spy." big welcome to you. let's get right to some of your time. i know you were at the office of naval intelligence during some of the other flare-ups with north korea. give me your take on the missile launch today. >> well, i think the big thing, alex, is, in fact, north korea decided not to test the nuclear weapon. so to me that tells me that china was able to rein things

in, so even though the missile demonstration, if you will, was a failure, the fact that they kind of de-escalated, i think, is a major signal. look, at the end of the day, alex, it's really important the u.s. backs down from this concept of parroting regime change or a unified peninsula. these are thingshat tend to ratchet up the sort ofhetoric in north korea, so i thi that's really an important step there. >> so you're giving china a lot of the credit there. do you think any credit goes to the trump administration for what they did in syria, what they did in afghanistan, dropping the mother of all bombs there? do you think that also sent a message? >> well, you know, i'm not so sure about that. i have to say, as someone who kind of came up through 9/11 and saw what happened in iraq and saw us deposing saddam, there's a big lesson to be learned in the military here and also by other countries, including north korea, including rogue states. look, dictators don't, you know, retire to boca, and i think that

they look at this and they want to stay in power. so the big thing here, and when we looked at syria, the fact that we're attacking syria and the assad regime is a clear signaling that the trump administration is willing to, you know, go after rogue states and i think that concerns north korea. at the end of the day, north korea does not want to get into a war with south korea, japan, let alone us. what they want to do is negotiate and the way they do is by unfortunately doing this. the priority has to be, as general mcmaster said, to denuclearize north korea, but not for regime change. >> so, what do we know about kim jong-un besides the obvious? how much do you think he's willing to risk? what do we know about his mentality? >> at the end of the day, i think these are people that are very good at theatrics. i don't think kim jong-un is willing to, you know, this might sound odd, but in a lot of ways he's a rational actor, he's predictable. look, they have done aggressive acts to include sinking a south

korean corvette, i mean, they are willing to take some sort of conventional kinetic action, but not willing to go to all-out war, and that's as long as we don't humiliate them. i think trump tweeting and making claims that insinuate regime change are things they are going to take very seriously, so if we back down that rhetoric, i think we'll see them back down that rhetoric, as well. >> is he different, though, than what we learned from his father and grandfather? i remember kim jong-il, he caused a lot of fear and concern in the united states. >> yes, he did, and look, obviously, the tenor has changed now as he's developed his nuclear program, specifically with the potential of an icbm that could reach the west coast. at the end of the day, though, i think he realizes, like his predecessors, that to escalate to a kinetic, overt act as that would really be the end of him. at the end of the day, alex, these people, regardless which generation we're looking at, they want to continue on.

that is their greatest goal. as long as we cater to that a little bit, you know, ensure our security. >> is there a way to gauge how he is viewed by the people of north korea? i mean, can we know, you would think if anybody were to come out and vociferously oppose him, they are gone, they disappear. >> yeah, that's exactly right. and look, there's a part of the economy propped up by this sort of black market that goes on in north korea and there's a huge -- the chinese are very careful not to let north koreans cross the border easily, so, obviously, what he's put his people through, just the camp that is he has where he imprisons not just if you speak out against the dear leader, you're not just imprisoned, three generations of your family. so a horrible, brutal dictator. but clearly, on the other hand, he has the sort of unwavering, if you will, support of the people. so i'm not so sure we're going to see democracy sort of swell up organically in north korea any time soon. >> is the way to gauge how close north korea is to launching a

successf strike at, say, gm orawaii or alaska? >> you know, i've heard a lot of experts talk about, you know, the rockets and icmbs and i would defer to them, but i would say this, when you look at what is his motivation to do that be, i mean, clearly if he was able to launch one or maybe two of these, you know, potentially low yield weapons, even if they are not nuclear armed, what would be the reaction of japan, of china, the united states? i don't know what we would be getting out of that. no, i think even though he may be developing the capability, his development of it is put in the context of ensuring his regime. he wants to make sure, look, this is almost like a mini cold war. it has to be -- we have to sort of ice late north korea, which we've done. i don't think there's any intent to strike first, unless he believes his regime is going to fall either way. that is something that perhaps he may do, but really what would be the intent to do so?

he would have to know he would suffer, you know, tremendous repercussions and most likely, you know, that would be the regime change. >> yeah, let's hope logic prevails. thank you so much for joining us on a sunday. appreciate it. anger leads to violence. supporters and opponents of president trump clash. that's next. plus, it may be the one benefit democrats enjoy in the way of donald trump taking office. coming your way at the top of the hour, the complete rebroadcast of "meet the press." ray's always been different.

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>> in our los angeles bureau with more on this, katie, welcome to you. so what happened here? how did all this get started? >> well, this was actually a pro trump rally that had been scheduled to take place in a public park in berkley, when counterprotesters showed up, that's when things really turned violent. police were coming in riot gear, s.w.a.t. gear, trying to stop the violence from happening, but people were throwing dangerous items, throwing punches, and confiscated at the scene were a number of very dangerous items, things like knives, mace, pepper spray, stun guns, poles, there were all types of weapons being used during this encounter. police say that they are going to continue to investigate, that there expect to be more arrests in the situation. they say any surveillance video and social media accounts the can review to find out who exactly these people were, they are going to be doing that, because they cannot continue to have -- this is the third

incident that's happened in berkley, where protests have turned violent in the past few months, so they are, obviously, very concerned about this happening again. >> for sure. how about injuries? looked like some people got whacked. >> people got very badly injured. there were 21 people arrested that we know about and another 11 severely injured. several were sent to the hospital, and even if that video, which is very graphic, you can see people getting pepper sprayed in the eyes and treated on scene and even some bloodshed in the streets there as people were punched and thrown to the ground and kicked. so this was a really scene that got badly out of control very quickly. >> all right, thank you for the latest there from california. appreciate it. >> thanks. let's go now to a new attack line for democrats after the president shifted course away from a number of positions he took out on the campaign trail. senator bernie sanders saying it raises questions for voters of all stripes. >> i think all over grassroots america, whether they are democrats, independents, or

republicans, people are perceiving that trump did not tell the truth in his campaign in terms of what he would do as president of the united states. he was going to drain the swamp. >> well, joining me now, former senior adviser to the 2016 clinton campaign and now an msnbc political analyst. joel, a welcome to you. so, this message here from bernie sanders, is it a message democrats can really rally behind, or is it more about demoralizing trump's voters? >> i think the fact that trump, you know, repeatedly engages in falsehoods was well known during the campaign. i think what's -- >> got him elected. he still got elected. >> of course he did with 46% of the vote and he's now got an approval rating hovering around 40%, historically low for a newly elected president in his first 100 days. i think actually going forward the arguments that democrats are going to have more strength around versus donald trump are what helped defeat health care. the consequence is in the damage that his policies and his

proposals would do to the working people that he acted like he wanted to protect during the campaign and never had a plan to do so. he got beat up when he -- when the health care plan, they were going to get rid of meals on wheels. the health care plan was going to cost people insurance. they were going to strip away public television, which is the only decent television in some parts of rural america that parents have their kids watching because they don't have cable tv. now he's going to go down the road with tax cuts where he's going to be giving away billions of dollars to the wealthiest people in america. i think that's what democrats have to drive home. this is a president who's going to inflict damage and danger to them in their economic lives and well being. >> so, let's look at what's happening tomorrow. tom perez hits the road with senator bernie sanders. they are calling this a come together and fight back tour. how much, joel, is this about having the right message, and how much is it about hitting the right areas? >> i think it's first and

foremost a message effort here. i think that, look, we've seen a lot of resistance in 85 or 86 days to this president. a lot of that is very organic, happening outside the normal democratic channels who would mobilize people. i ink for senator sanders and chairman perez, their job is to capitalize it, not coon the it, it's to make sure they sustain the energy, not try to impose the organization on top of it, but have the organization tap into it and leverage it. as far as places go, look, there are going to be some places that are going to be exceptive for democrats in the midterms, the georgia election is coming up in a few days. that's going to be very competitive, far more so than it was when congressman price was re-elected with 20 points, but that was a district that donald trump barely won. he won billow single digits, so democrats have to be smart about the places they choose, look for

opportunities to win, but drive our message across this country, because many people are going to be left behind by the policies of donald trump. >> you have the democratic super pac launching a series of web ads now, they have a message for president trump's voter base. let's take a listen to a clip from their most recent ad. here it is. >> we have to do health care first to pick up additional money so we get great tax reform. >> great for who? this is not what we were promised. >> i am your voice! >> who does he really care about? tell congress don't let trump sell us out. >> joel, do you think it's more important that the democrats figure out their own message and put that out there instead of having an anti-trump message? >> well, look, you've got republicans in control of the white house and congress right now, and that means they are driving the agenda every day. i think with democrats, have to do is be very strong voiced opposition to issues that we have been on the right side of

for a long time. you know, you made the point donald trump won the election. that's true. he's likely going to be president for four years now, barring any, you know, wild episode or something, but -- which shouldn't happen. but we have to deal with that and as democrats what we have to do is fight him tooth and nail on the policies that have been rejected every time republicans have tried. bill clinton ran and won twice on repealing tax cuts that benefited the well the. george bush put them back in in 2000, 2001, 2002. barack obama then won and ran twice on repealing the bush tax cuts. americans know and don't believe that corporations in america and the very wealthy need more tax cuts. that hasn't helped them, it won't help them going forward, and we have to fight those ideas with everything we have. >> so, before we let you go here, i want to get your take on the white house's sean spicer and the comments about hitler this week. former obama white house communications director jen

psaki is saying today, "it's a tough job, everybody screws up." do you feel the same way? >> i think everybody does screw up. i've been on that side for a governor, not in the white house, but, yes, you're always going to misstep, misstate. the key is to not do it every day. the key i to not do it three days out of five. those have to be the exceptions, not the rule. the problem for sean spicer today is that not only is he seemingly making unforced errors, but he's creating the news of the day sometimes, which is the last thing you want to do from that podium without a very clear, concrete plan to do so. so, you know, i think it's hurting his credibility. more importantly, i think it's really contributing to the low approval ratings of donald trump, because he's re-enforcing exactly what people don't like about donald trump, exaggerations, falsehoods, attacks on people who don't deserve attacks, and i think

that, you know, this is a person in that role who's got to be willing to stand tough to the president, tell him this is not the path we need to go down, and not parrot the mistakes he makes, but, obviously, try to clean them up and enhance the message when he can. >> to the point you would suggest he step down, would you give sean spicer that advice or tell the president, were you to advise him, that he's got to go? >> i think whether he offers to step down is up to him. i don't think it's anybody else's place to contemplate that. i think if the president wanted him to go, i think he'd be gone. i think we've seen this in the last couple of weeks when president trump wants to move things around, he's moving things around. so if i was sean spicer, i wouldn't, you know, offer up a resignation. i think he knows he's working for someone who will have no trouble asking him for it if he wants to move him out. >> all right, thanks so much. >> thank you. beyond protesting, a call for politically motivated millennials to take action. they might never have thought of until now. that's next.

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the tax march protests this weekend are just one of the varied ways people are demonstrating against the trump administration. "new york times" pulitzer prize-winning columnist kristof writes about another way to stand up to the president and win. kristof salutes organizations like emergeamerica.org and runforsomething.net in developing to train people who want to run for political office. let's get first to it in terms of defining your group. talk about that and the fact that you solely want to recruit progressive millennials, folks under the age of 35 or so. why only millennials? >> run for something is an

organization we ran on july 20, inaugurat inauguration day. we want to do this so if you're brand new in politics, there is someone you can go for help. >> what do you think about with regard to the people you want to recruit or want them to fight for? >> we understand that a democrat in new york might look different than a democrat in louisiana. we also want people who are authentically rooted in their community, so someone who understands the problems their home faces. beyond that, we're looking at very big values of someone who wants to fight in equality, pro choice, pro working families, pro voting rights.

>> how important are different races? >> about a third of our people are of color. it's very important. we're proud of that. >> can they move up if they want to? >> 40% were run uncontested. some cancels elections if there aren't more than one person on the ballot. ohio is working to formalize that process. that is dangerous for democracy. voters don't get a chance to choose. if someone is running, these races are small, they're affordable, and you can win, in part because there often isn't too many people running against you. >> amanda, your website says something interesting. it says, the electrorate is

hungry for leaders that don't come from the usual pipeline. where do you think we can find the politicians of tomorrow? >> they have to get there first. trump is not the candidate the rnc or the committee would have recruited, but he won, as scary as that is. so we need to make sure we're looking outside our usual source of candidates. >> what are the kinds of things you can offer them? >> we offer our candidates two things. the first institutional support. we have a network of about 150 campaign experts who are giving free time to our candidates. that means someone who is a presidential level senior staffer is spending time talking to a school board race. that's huge. the second thing we do is funding, and we are looking for people who can stand a little bit of a race. if you can stand up a campaign, if you can raise a little bit of money, we'll match your funding. >> amanda litman, c

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