that does it for us this hour on "msnbc live." i'm hallie jackson. you can find me on facebook, insta and snap. now to my colleague chris jansing. thank you. north korea is on the brink of the latest missile attack. strong words from vice president mike pence. >> the era of strategic patience is over. >> what does this mean for america's strategy going forward? and multi-state manhunt. officials in five states are looking for this man, steve stevens. >> this individual is armed and dangerous. at this point, he could be a lot of places. stevens posted video of himself killing a senior citizen easter sunday and claims he committed many other murders. we are live in cleveland with the latest. and special election showdown. $14 million spent in ads on both

sides. democrats hoping for an upset in the state's sixth congressional district. a win in the long-time republican area would send a message about how trump voters really feel about his time in office so far, or at least that's what the democrats say. good morning, everyone. i'm chris jansing in washington. where the white house has sent a stern warning to north korea. vice president mike pence delivering that message to the demilitarized zone where he stared directly to north korean soldiers just feet away staring back at the vice president. >> all options are on the table. just in the past two weeks, the world witnessed the strength and resolve of our new president in actions taken in syria and afghanistan. north korea would do well not to test his resolve. the era of strategic patience is over. >> those remarks this morning follow north korea's massive military parade and failed missile test over the weekend

with escalating concern it is unpredictable leader, kim jong-un, is planning a new nuclear test. we have all this covered with our nbc correspondents and experts. we begin with nbc's janice mackey frayer joining us from seoul, south korea. janua janis, any response from north korea to what the vice president had to say? >> reporter: there's been no comment so far as to what the vice president had to say. there's been silence out of the important anniversary weekend that saw north korea show off its military might one day and be faced with an embarrassing failed missile test the next. the vice president really has waded into an escalating situation here where there is this sort of tension that the region is used to, but with this different dynamic, this possibility of a preemptive strike by the united states, that the vice president eluded

to in the comments, saying that if north korea doesn't rein in the weapons programs, it could face the same treatment as syria and afghanistan. that rattled some nerves here today. >> i think on the other side, we saw in the military parade over the weekend, one expert believed the prototype for the intercontinental ballistic so is it clear how much this is a true show of force and how much was just a show? >> reporter: well, it was a show, but it was a show of steady improvements in their capabilities, if anything, on hold. the parade with its missiles and mobile launchers, there is progress being made. that some of the weapons are at a stage of operational capability. and that there is a real commitment on the part of the regime to build this arsenal. there was at least one, perhaps as many as three, what experts believe are intercontinental baa

listi list ballistic missiles or protproto that have the potential to reach the united states. these are rockets as opposed to older versions that can take hours to get ready. the solid rockets can be mobilized quickly. so they saw that as another advancement, incremental, but nonetheless, an investment. >> now i want to go to the white house to see what they are saying about this. kristen welker is joining us now. one of the thing that s that th president said repeatedly is that chi in is a currency ma nip pay l-- manipulator. what is the one message they

want to send? >> reporter: well, the president was just asked about the message he wants to send to north korea during the egg roll, and he said the message is, you've got to behave. he's turning to china to ramp up pressure on north korea. and over the weekend after that failed missile test, the president not saying very much. but here's what he tweeted a short time ago. he tweeted, the first 90 days of my presidency has exposed the total failure of the last eight years of foreign policy. so true. and then he references fox & friends discussing this. bottom line, you're starting to see trump doctrine emerge around the edges, chris. the fact that he's taking a tough stance on a number of these different foreign policy crises, directing air strikes in syria and then, of course, we saw the administration drop the mother-of-all bombs last week in afghanistan to take out isis fighters there. i asked the president directly if he thought that sent a message to north korea. he didn't know if it sent a

message to north korea, but based on my conversations behind the scenes, i can tell you that they think it did. will north korea listen? will they take action and stop with their nuclear program? that remains to be seen, but the president of the administration is trying to turn up the heat in all the different ways, chris. >> thank you, kristen welker for that. we want to talk a lot more now about the rising tensions with korea and the u.s. options. so joining me now, retired major general scales, and sheila smith, a fellow japan for the council on foreign relations, kelly maximan, served as principal secretary of defense for asia and pacific and security affairs and also served at the national security of defense for president obama and george w. bush. do you see, at least now, emerging a more foreign policy from this general?

>> i do. if there was a phrase, it would be engage north korea but push them, push them, push them. threaten military engagement, try to seek a rough alliance with china to push them from across the border. >> well, are you seeing symbols for it to be working. some people say, on the anniversary when you would expect the nuclear test and there wasn't one, it showed the influence of president xi. >> it could be working with china, but i'll bet you it's not working with north korea. we overemphasize the influence china has on the nutcase in korea. he's going to chart his own path he's going to play with every actor in the region to his end. and there's no way he'll ever give up nuclear weapons or the means to deliver them to the united states. yo saw what happened to gadhafi. it's not going to happen to him. and i can't imagine any action short of the deliberate military action that would make north

korea give up its nukes. >> kelly, do you agree with that? and if so, what are our options? >> so what is interesting about this is i see a lot of sma similarities between what president trump tried to do, get the chinese to put pressure on the north korean regime. the challenge with that is china does not want to see destabilization on the peninsula. so i'm skeptical of the china play alone that will deliver the results. >> so what do you have to add to the china play? >> what he needs to do is focus on the allies. so it's good that vice president pence is in korea and japan tomorrow. i think that is very important. but we really need to focus on also the defensive game, building up our regional ballistic missile defenses further, doing more work with our allies to generate the kind of momentum on the side of the allies we need to have. so you can't just be a china play alone, it also needs to be a japan play of life. >> let's talk about japan, sh shinzo abe, said today, we need

to apply pressure on north korea to respond to the international dialogue within the community. but to follow-up on that, what kind of dialogue or anything do you see kim jong-un responding to? >> well, kim jong-un resisted the invitation to dialogue since he came to power. but i think it is important to remember our allies both in seoul and tokyo are on the front lines of this. so any kind of consideration of a military option, for example, has to take into account there are 200,000 plus on the border. >> and americans. >> and americans, but you have the military city not far from the border of north korea. and you have a country worried about the missile capability, not just nuclear capability, but the fact north korea delivered the intent to deliver missiles to the base in japan. and we have who to be very

careful about our defensive ties there. and we need to try to push china, not alone, but into a position where it understands the region is not tolerating this kind of active use of military force. >> you heard kristen welker say the president spoke about this at the easter egg roll, they just got the video in. so let's take a listen. >> gotta behave. >> you got to behave. that's the total of it. but how does this work now? within the national security team, what kind of options have likely been presented to him? and under what circumstances would those options be called for? >> that's a great question. i talked to a good friend of mine just a couple hours ago. and what he told me was, h.r. mcmaster is going about this methodically and slowly.

he's trying to literallyuild it from the bottom up. the strategy made at the end of the day may not be totally different than say the obama -- >> what are you talking about? >> oh, trying to inform the military of what their options are. one thing not mentioned was the cohort options against north korea. this is a complex puzzle. lord only knows, there could be two dozen options put in play. and i know h.r. he's a solid, strategic thinker, but he's methodical and won't come out with an expose strategy until he knows he has it down pat. >> one of the things we talked a lot about on friday was the idea that we expected the potential for a nuclear test over the weekend. that didn't happen. did u.s. intelligence get it wrong? was there a change of heart by kim jong-un? what do you think happened there? >> i think it is too early to tell, actually. just because the nuclear test

didn't happen this weekend doesn't mean it won't happen soon. they are prepared to execute on one. but beyond a nuclear test, which is obviously very concerning, is the ballistic missile test. and clearly, kim jong-un thought it was okay to press on with theest the. even though it was a test, it was a failed test, but it gave them the capability to learn how it works. i think they will continue to test going forward. >> one of the things that got a lot of people's attention today was the headline in "the new york times" quoting someone as saying, this is like a cuban missile crisis in slow motion. is that descriptive? >> i think it is. if you listen to our leaders of the countries in the region, they are starting to feel as if they are under intense pressure. but they are also feeling, especially in tokyo, where they don't have offensive weapons, they are feeling they suffer from the missile gap. so as kelly said, the next stage

is deploy thaad, the new missile defense system in korea. japan will be upping their game on missile defense. >> there's been controversy, should that be pulled out, what do you think of that? >> right now seoul is holding government, government is waiting until the next government comes in. and i think just being in seoul, i suspect that our next president in south korea will be a little bit more of the progressive left, leaning a little bit to dialogue with north korea. so we'll have to have careful adjusting of the way we talk about this problem to the south. >> how confident are we, general, of what we know about the capabilities of north korea? and as somebody non-military, i watched that parade, and it looked impressive. which is obviously what kim jong-un wants, right? but when you see that, what did you see? >> i was not impressed. there was no evidence of the intercontinental ballistic missile. that big thing is a container,

nobody knows what is inside it. there's only one piece of news uns unsettling. and the other thing was that every rocket was solid fueled. the normal time it takes to fill a rocket, sometimes hours or days, if it's a solid fuel rocket, it can be fired quickly and carried on a vehicle. it can be buried in silos in the ground and therefore very difficult for us to shoot down if they ever, god forbid fired at the west. so far in terms of demonstrative technology plus the missile failure, suggests to me other than fresh paint, there wasn't a lot new in the parade. >> let me ask you then, we have a minute, so i'll give you each 20 seconds to answer this question, which is that we are talking a lot about this. and it is in the headlines and is raising anxiety among a lot of people out there. but are we talking about it more just because it's a new president and the way kim jong-un and others always try to test a new president? or is there more of a concern than we have seen in recent

times? >> well, part of it is a new president, but i do think that the capability itself of kim jong-un, he's demonstrating the will to continue to proceed with the program. and he's doing it at a clip not previously seen. last year alone, there were 20 ballistic missile tests. we have already had six or eight this year. if he's trying to create the sense of inevitability of his program. >> is there a pace that worries you as well? >> i think so. he's been using the missiles since january of 2016. it's been constant. so our allies in the region have not taken forces off alert. you don't know what is happening. they are on mobile launchers and can't detect the launch when it will happen. so the region is worried how far he will go. >> sheila, kelly, general, thank you, appreciate it. right now in arkansas, the latest on the legal battle to stop the unprecedented executions of eight death row inmates in just a little more than a week. why time is running out. and in georgia, frantic

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a major test for the death penalty today following a flurry

of legal activity over unprecedented plans to execute eight death row inmates in ten days. right now the state attorney general's office is working to overturn a judge's ruling over the weekend to block the executions. new developments could happen any time now. and state prison officials are reportedly preparing to carry out the executions that were supposed to begin today. for more on this and what is next, we'll bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent ari mel ber. ari, a lot going on. where do things stand right now? let's start with the basics? >> right now this plan, starting with eight executions happening over ten days, is move is blocked. and the state is appealing, meaning the eight people on the screen are in limbo if the state prevails in getting a higher court to overturn this. they could go back and forward with their plan to do these executions. the deadline is all in order to try to use up these drugs before they expire and can no longer be used under the law. >> so is that what the basis of the blocking was?

why did this all get stopped? >> precisely. this was stopped in part because of kerps tconcerns the executio. there's sometimes a three-step drug process used, sometimes called a cocktail. but this is a thing that is generally okay, the question is, how they were going to do it under the terms in arkansas. >> and then there's a separate ruling where a state courtdrug for the purpose. let me read part of that corporate statement. upon learning adc was potentially holding the product for lethal injection purposes, mckesson immediately requested and was assured by the adc that the product would be returned. and it continued to say the product was never returned. how does this play into everything? >> this is surrounding the drug

process. basically you have the use of the drugs that were not gnsied for execution. you have incredible pressure and expert concern about whether this is a proper use. this is, quite frankly, the improvisation done by a single state and now spread to 31 states. they used the three-step chemical injection and the countries say they don't want to be a part of it. that's the original reason why there was this arkansas deadline. they can't get any more of the drugs for one of the steps here many the so-called cocktail. and that goes to the bigger questions about how we do the death penalty in america. there's been this effort to sort of medicalize or some say sanitize it through these drugs. it is different than a firing line or a hanging. but then the push-back has been that these drug companies and many other folks who are critical of the process if not the overall use of the death penalty period, are trying to stop its use. i will say this, in the supreme

court arguments, people who are protective and supportive of the death penalty said, obviously, if this is unlawful, there's got to be a lawful way to do this. it can't be fair for victims' families to say, this is a thing that is on the table, which it is, but every time you find a legal word to do it. it's blocked or challenge in the courts. if you look at the cheese here, there have been real problems in usage of the chemicals and some call torture in the use of capital punishment, which is not the goal. you should be supportive of that as a potential process. >> okay, ari. thank you for that. and neil gorsuch takes his seat on the bench today, the high court is involvementing property disputes. and on thursday the court will

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we're still asking steve to turn himself in, but if he doesn't, we'll find him. we have our federal partners here, we have the state and local county partners, and we're not going to stop until he's in custody. >> happening now, the fbi now joining the search for the man accused of murdering a senior citizen in cleveland, ohio. then posting the video of it on facebook. we want to warn you, the video is disturbing. you can see steve stevens, the man police identify as steve stephens, selecting the man and

firing at him randomly. steve is armed and dangerous and urged to turn himself in. residents in five states are now warned to be on the lookout for him. ron allen is joining me now live from cleveland with the latest. where does the search stand right now, ron? >> reporter: well, as you said, chris, it is a national search, but there's a lot of concern in the neighborhood where all this happened. joining me is kevin conwell who represents the neighborhood in the city council here. you said your daughter told you about this on easter sunday, and what was your initial reaction when you heard about this? >> i was shocked. i didn't believe my daughter when she said, daddy, look at the phone, this man is on here killing people on 105th street. i said, baby, that's not true. when she showed me the phone, the guy got out of his phone and murdered the senior citizen on east 103rd street. >> reporter: now you say the neighborhood is locked do un? >> well, we reached out to all our officials to put them on

high alert so people can stay in their homes and not worry about their safety. >> reporter: does anybody know about stephens? he has a job at a social services agency, he's 34 years old, does anybody know him? >> he's a graduate of mega si phi. i was making phone calls to tell people to stay in their home, and i ran into a man who said larry davis, he's a mega si phi. >> reporter: any indication why he did this? >> he was in a fight with his girlfriend. and the other thing is that he likes to gamble, if that was a text to me, he was out there and lost money gambling. so i saw that part as well as his relationship with his girlfriend. those two. >> reporter: but now, the neighborhood was on lockdown last night, but now do you think people are feeling safer, more secure, as hours go by as

authorities believe he could be in this community, he could be -- we are almost 24 hours into the incident. he could be a long way away. >> but the neighborhood the in a somber mood. i drove the area and -- you know, i saw people that had their heads down. and they were in shock and disbelief of how someone can murder a 74-year-old man and you didn't have a relationship with him. >> reporter: mr. godwin, you didn't know him, but a lot of concern for him and his family. >> well, you know what? i do think i know mr. godwin, i have a community meeting every thursday, when i saw he was murdered on facebook, i told my daughter, i think i know this guy. >> reporter: a good man. >> right. that's what residents are saying. we'll help him out. we'll help his family out, even dealing with the funeral. >> reporter: thank you for joining us. we hope to hear from the family ter this afternoon. there was confusion about a gofundme site set up for the family. it turns out that it is

legitimate that gofundme has been in touch with the individuals to set up a fund for the family and any money goes to the godwin family to help with funeral services or whatever they need. we'll hope to hear more from them later this afternoon as the search up continues. let's bring in the special agent in charge and the former negotiator, kim cavanaugh. let me start with the magnitude of this almost 24 hours later. how does a manhunt like this work? >> well, there's a task force the chief talked about, the state troopers and the rallies altogether, they are trying to locate the guy to go to traditional means first. you know, can they locate his cell phone? if he is still using it, putting the broadcast out on his car and description. he's a pretty unique guy. he's very large. he may be wearing the same clothes. of course, he can switch cars, he could murder again and carjack someone. he could go into someone's house

and murder them and get food, money and a car. it is not known where he is right now. but he's -- he's drawn to cleveland like a vortex. so i think even if he does leave, there's a chance he'll circle back in cleveland. that's who he is. and everybody he wants to log power over and seek revenge on are the people in the cleveland area and his specific relationship with his girlfriend and maybe even his mother. so he could be far field, but he could also murder and come back. so he also could be dead somewhere. he could have killed himself somewhere in the woods. we don't know that yet. >> is there anything that, from a psychological standpoint, why he posted this to facebook? >> i'm not a profiler. i was a negotiator and commander and used all the tools extensively. i would consulting with psychologists for the deep part

of that. but i wou say that there is murder by fear. and we see terrorists use it in beheading videos. they want recognition, chris. they want people to know what they're doing. it tells us a few things, there's no end game, it's just murder now. he's in a death spiral. he told his mother, you won't see me again, you won't see me, likely, that's a suicide negotiator, you'll never see me again. this is tenhe end. he only has gas that his car will hold, so he'll have to go to a gas station or steal aer can. he has to eat something. he has little ammunition, a mag or two, but if he's moving around the area, a police officer will spot him. he may change cars and try to make it back to cleveland. people should be aware of that. >> he also made a clear he killed at least a dozen other people. the cops said they don't see any indication of that.

that they obviously went to his apartment, they looked around, but would you rule it out or is there something there that is part of this sort of investigative track that may help lead them to where he might be? >> right. i wouldn't rule it out. i mean, it could be just bragging or trying to talk big. a lot of the guys talk big when they become national news and talk big to their friends. but he also could go in some abandoned building or place where there are homeless people and murder multiple people. and nobody may know and nobody may report it. it's possible. right now there's no indication of it. it's just a sad case of mr. godwin's murder. when you see that video, mr. godwin is the face of america. retired, hard-working guy and just murdered in cold blood on the street like that, awful, awful case. i hope he's caught today before anybody else is injured. >> as we all do. thank you so much, appreciate

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margin gave him sweeping new powers. opposition parties are calling for the results to be canceled, gearing up for a fight against the outcome of this historic referendum. for more, let's bring in nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, let's start with the power that this grants to president erdogan. >> well, turkey is incredibly divided right now. and to a degree, it depends on who you ask. if you ask the supporters of president erdogan, they say, what has just happened is not thatifferent fromhis system in the u.s. where you have a president who has executive authority and runs the country and is also the commander in chief. critics, however, say it goes much beyond that. that the president in turkey will now have the power to declare a state of emergency. he can influence the judiciary, the post of the prime minister goes away, and they say it is effectively a checkmate against

the opposition and that it paves the way for erdogan to be in power for potentially another ten years. this is a long-time brewing. erdogan has wanted this for a long time. he's trying to have this measure passed before, and the key turning point came when there was a failed coup attempt. after that failed coup attempt in which some 300 people died, you remember if that made international headlines, there's been a campaign in the country against the opposition. anyone suspected of challenging erdogan has come under the label of being involved in the coup. so the -- this vote, this referendum, took place in this environment, where there is a state of emergency in place, where tens of thousands of people are in jail, in detention or have been forcibly removed from their positions. there is a climate of fear. and when people went out into

the streets, this was the backdrop, where you already have a feeling that erdogan is increasingly running the show with a one-man show in the country. and now has a lot more legal powers to do that, potentially, for ten more years. it is a significant change in the power structure there. >> yeah. turkey is the major player in the fight against terrorism. so what implications does this have for u.s. foreign policy? and the fight against isis and terrorism in general? >> reporter: so, again, it depends on who you ask. if you ask erdogan supporters, who were out in the streets celebrating this victory, they say, by giving the president these new authorities, it will streamline the chain of command in the country. it will make it eier for him to boost the economy, to fight terrorism, isis being just one of the problems that they have. but if you ask members of the

opposition, they say this only fuels discontent, this leads to an authoritarian state, and that is the kind of environment in which extremist groups can thrive. because of that frustration. so it is a divisive move in a country that is now deeply divided. >> richard, thank you for that. joining me live, the anchor in turkey, journalist tulo dulolo, now is chief editor for the weekly magazine covering turkish afashfair affairs. give us a sense of the mood following these results. >> reporter: well, the sense is the streets are very quiet today. and, you know, i think the people overall do not consider it either as a victory or as a defeat. i think that's the key. the result shows that

indignation -- the nation is clearly divided. erdogan won 51.4% of the award. that does not give the president a strong victory. and that sense is all over the nation and the streets today. we do not see any celebrations, but we also do not see any sense of defeat on the no camp side as well. that is represent ed to the people's party. today also stressed that the refer on the results should be canceled because of a contested decision by the supreme electoral board. the supreme electoral board decided that the ballot papers,

the ward papers should have stems on it, and the papers do not carry the stem or the card, and they would not be counted for. however, afterwards, the electoral board decided that the envelopes and wallet cards that do not carry the official stamp will also be counted. and that is just considered as a step of fraud by the state, by the ruling party and the opposition as strictly objecting the result, and calling the electoral board to cancel last night's referendum results. >> i tell you, when you see someone holding up a ballot, it is hard to see what happened back here in the united states back in 2000.

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and we're back with our daily briefing on politics. the federal deadline to file taxes is tomorrow but this weekend, protesters demanded president trump release his tax returns. demonstrations were held in more than sue american cities with protesters questioning why he's breaking from every other modern american president. >> every other president has shown their tax returns and i think there's something in there he wants to hide and that's why he doesn't want to show them. >> president trump weighed into the uproar tweeting i did what was an almost thing to do for a republican. easily won the electoral college. now tax returns are brought up again? and then he tweeted, someone should look into who paid for the small organized rallies yesterday. the election is over. joining me now nbc news senior political editor mark murray. start with history and precedent. modern presidents have released their taxes, right? >> that's exactly right, chris.

it doesn't even have to do with the election. you end up looking back to barack obama on april 14th or 15th of 2009. he released his taxes for the year before. you saw that for george w. bush as well as for bill clinton. going back to jimmy carter released his taxes. gerald ford only released a summary page. there is a large precedent, a big precedent for past presidents and modern presidents doing this, chris. >> there are a lot of republican who's argue that the majority of americans don't care about the president's tax returns. it's those of us in the media. here's mike huckabee talking about that. >> this is a group of people that are basically small but what i say is that very large sucking sound is the sound of a collective yuan of about 300 million american who's just don't care about donald trump's tax returns. if anything, the reason i think he wants to keep them private is because he didn't want everybody to know wha ahump i am. i paid a lot more taxes than a

socialist named bernie sanders. >> on the other side, a pew research poll shows nearly two-thirds of americans think the president should release his taxes. what's the political calculation by the white house? >> well, the calculation they've given and the explanation even during the campaign, kris is that he's understanded audit and he would be the committing malpractice for releasing his tax returns while under audit. the reason this doesn't necessarily fly is that the audit would end up being for past returns. there's nothing prohibiting him from one being under audit releasing returns and also releasing the newest returns that he would file with his accountant or by himself. so that has allowed some people to say what is is he actually hiding? is it business dealings? he wants to not let people know how much money he's made even though we know the amount of money he made on his 2005 tax return that rachel maddow was able to get. there are a lot of questions that would certainly be answered if he just did what other modern presidents have done in the

past. >> yeah, i mean, that would also include like what countries he's doing business with, right? some people are interested is he as charitable as he said that he is. but there's no way to compel him to do this. it's really just something that's been tradition. >> that's right. and tradition in modern times. kris, one other way to, one other helpful way to be able to get president trump's tax returns is to see how he himself would be impacted by policy if he is proposing tax cuts and tax overhaul. looking to see how someone like him would be impacted. i also think it would be beneficial for public policy. >> mark murray, always good to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks, kris. and we'll be right back. flonase allergy relief delivers more complete relief. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause all your symptoms, including nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes.

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it is no kidding, one of the toughest tickets in this town every single year. i'm talking about the annual white house easter egg roll. it's this morning with president trump and first lady melania trump hosting thousands of children and their families. >> as we renew this tradition, thank you for joining us. on behalf of the president and baron, we wish you great fun and beautiful days coming ahead of us. and happy easter. >> did you see on the right end of the screen, you saw a little bunny ear?

we're not sure who is playing the bunny this year. just so you know, 37,000 people went to the last obama easter egg roll. this year, sean spicer says 21,000. they made 18,000 eggs. and a spokesperson for the white house said it's not about the numbers. it's about the quality of the experience. thanks for watching this hour of msnbc live. i'm chris jansing in washington. right now on msnbc, "andrea mitchell reports." thank you. right now on "andrea mitchell reports." short fuse. mike pence in south korea delivering a blunt warning to the rogue leader to the north. after kim jung kun struts his military might in a parade but fail he's key missile test. >> all options are on the table. just in the past two weeks, the world witnessed the strength and resolve of our new president in actions taken in syria and afghanistan. north korea would do well not to test his resolve. the era of strategic patience is

over. at the easter egg roll today, a reporter asking the president for his message to north korea. >> behave. and risky business. senator john mccain tells chuck todd on "meet the press," this could be the first real test of the trump presidency. >> to prevent north korea from having a missile with a nuclear weapon that could strike the united states and we would have to rely on our ability to intercept it and by the way, i'm told that we do have that ability is still awfully risky business. so this is really very serious. this guy in north korea is not rational. on a roll, the white house tradition continues today. >> we will be stronger and bigger and better as a nation than ever before. we're right on track. you see what's happening and we are right on track. so thank you, everybody,