>> and that does it at this hour. "mtp daily" starts right now with katy tur in for chuck. if it's monday, washington has whip lash. what does the end of strategic patience really mean for the future of u.s. diplomacy? >> drawing red liens hasn't worked in the past. plus, will the special election if georgia shake out as a referendum on president trump? one of the top republicans in this crowded race joins me. and happy fill in the blank. from patriots day to the easter egg roll. how many celebrations can americans squeeze into one day? this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now.

good evening. i'm katy tur in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily." could you argue that president trump is in a crisis. whether it is syria, russia or china, he has abruptly veered from practicing mattism to interventionism and every where in between. he is unpredictable and unpopular according to many polls of the he is on unfamiliar terrain. and now he faces perhaps the biggest test of his presidency on the world stage. right now there are newly escalating tensions with a nuclear north korea. kim jong-un's regime announced would it ignore barngs were set off by a failed missile test this weekend. a parade of military artillery and concerns of a nuclear test. a top official in pyongyang told the bbc that would it now

conduct missile tests on a weekly basis. that official warned of an all out war if the u.s. intervened militarily. also, the envoy to the u.n. announced nuclear war may break out at any moment on the korean peninsula. that comes after vice president mike pence had this message for the regime. >> you a options are on the table. in the last two weeks the world witnessed the strength and resolve of our new president in actions taken in syria and afghanistan. north korea would do well not to test his resolve. we will meet any use of conventional or nuclear weapons with an overwhelming and effective response of the. >> the vice president took questions from reporters in the demilitarized zone. he floated possible negotiations kim joung and he wouldn't roll out a preemptive strike. >> terra of stratic patiee

is over. pruch h president trump has made it clear. >> so what will president trump do next? today he took some shouted questions from reporters during white house easter egg roll festivities. but he offered little in the way of answers. and the answers from the white house press secretary sean spicer were similarly unclear. >> you won't see him telegraphing how he will respond to military or other situations for to us telegraph what we're going to do or ask others to do would not be a smart strategy. >> does this president believe there are viable military options? >> taking anything on or off the table would in itself limit your options the some degree. so i won't even discuss that of.

>> what would it take to restart talks in. >> i'm not going to get ahead of the policies right now. >> i'm joined by nbc white house correspondent kristin welker. big question. what is the white house policy toward north korea? >> great question, katy of the based on my questions behind the scenes. they are focused on getting clean to ramp up pressure on north korea. neth the fact president met with the president of clean two weeks ago, has had subsequent conversation, is starting to pay off. but they acknowledge there's a lot more they can could. they've sent a men to north korea but also start on with hold some oil shipments to north korea. so they're taking some strategic steps in that regard. but having said that, a lot of analysts don't believe they've

gone far enough. andou saw this latest provocion over the weekend. so north korea clearly not stepping down. clearly not listening to what has been a lot of bluster. based on my conversations, it seems like military sacks a last resort. they don't want to go down that path with north korea which has a nuclear weapon of at the same time, the statement by mike pence is certainly significant. it indicates you are seeing a shift in thinking behind the scenes. that they would potentially, if they felt north korea was capable of launching an intercontinental ballistic missile. that the white house might take some action of its own. the white house doesn't think they're in that situation yet. trying to turn up the heat on china. the counter opponent to that, i was having a conversation here. some people think that's a strategic error.

that china doesn't have the same interests. so the question is, will these tensions continue to escalate? this is a situation that president trump very much needs monitor behind the scenes as he approaches the first 100 days in office. i'm joined now by anna from tokyo. i want to hear from you. we've heard a lot of sabre rattling. is this time different? >> we don't know yet. certainly north korea has a history offer bluster, threats one of the few reliable exports it has. it is a master of propaganda. in the past when they've done this kind of they know, to try get something out of the u.s. to. try to get a reward for stop

ratcheting up. this time does feel a little different. in that kim jong-un has made it clear, he doesn't want to return to denuclearization talksest doesn't want to bargain his way out of this. the program we're seeing with these missile launches, with the huge parade. that he is hell bent on this nuclear program. the different thing this time is that we have an unpredictable leader. not just in pyongyang but in washington as well. the idea in south korea, people are worried that donald trump is a more unpredictable president than america has had before. they look at syria and what happened and they wonder whether he might do something rash with north korea as well. >> leaving many to wonder which shoe will drop if one is going to drop.

talk about vice president pence. he talked about having negotiations with kim jong-un. and given tt kim jong-un doesn't soap to want to have anything to do with it. what would those conversations look leak? >> well, so there's been talk, self years now about, restarting nuclear negotiations. north korea has always put kods this of for example, they've been saying, come back to talks if you stop the military exercises that do you with south korea. which is just a nonstarter for the u.s. so they've been making these ridiculous offers, which of course will be declined. even then, they've said, we'll come back to talks as long as denuclearization is not an option. they'll talk begg else but about giving up their nuclears. so it seems like very hard

bargain. but the people i've talked to who are working on this behind the scenes, they say it is just to get people sitting at the tab. and see if the conversation can go from there to talking about the nuclear weapons program. and part of the celebrations in pyongyang, there was a failed missile test. threat a lot of speculation that the u.s. might have had a chance of that. >> there is a lot of speculation. the experts i've talked to say it highly doubtful that they could sabotage some individual launches but perhaps there's a way to get some malware where they have the perhaps. maybe there is a way the program itself has been infected rather than within by one. >> thank you.

>> you've heldhe rank of ambassador and was special assistant to bush 41. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> help us if you can decode the president's options. what can he do? what might he want to do? >> essentially he has three sets of options. one is to let it happen and to basically turn to deterrence and missile deterrence. the other is to use military force in one way or another to prevent it. the third sopoption is diplomac with chinese help, with sanctions torsion basically enter into a dewith north korea. not that would denuclearize them as a first step but rather some kind of a freeze of no production of nuclear weapons. no testing of weapons or missiles. no sale of any nuclear material

to any third party. we have to agree on how it would be verified. in exchange, maybe direct talks, maybe a peace agreement ending the korean war. >> would trump have a political an tied to negotiate a deal that would look something like the iran deal some he slapped tell iran deal oh and over again saying would it ultimately lead the a nuclear holocaust. >> again, it is not a solution to the problem. it would cap it. it would be a first step. what we would tell north koreans. if we wanted sanctions elimination, that would have to await denuclearization and the rest. at least this would avoid a situation where north korea gained the ability to be able to shoot a missile with a nuclear warhead that could reach california.

it doesn't solve the problem. >> what does a dump trump train look leak? internationalism? nationalism? there's a lot of confusion about it. so my question to you is wt anchors him? and the flip-flops we're seeing, are they flutes practicing, practicing ma tich? >> he hasn't been in office 100 days. dock trends are usually conferred from the outside on policy that's are big and lasting. it is simply pre mature to be thinking about. that you're right. we've seen enconsistencies. to some extent he is finding his sea legs and i think has the idea of keeping others off balance. he believes in unpredictability. as he disruptor at heart. he wants to introduce new

factors. here in north korea, that's not so bad. this has been drifting for 25 years. i would argue even if hillary clinton were the president, the united states would be selling naturaling that what north korea is about to achieve would be intolerable. >> there's always a learning curve of they'll always challenge their in policies somewhat when they get into the over office. when i ask about ignorance, i'm referring to something donald trump said with his meetings of president xi of china. he said after listening for ten minutes, i realized it is not so easy. talking about the chinese relationship with north korea. and the history and why it is not so easy to control north korea. when you hear about donald trump saying, i listened for ten minutes and then i changed my mind. i realized there was more going

on. what does that say to you? >> i'm glad this is happening. this is a learning curve of it cops from listening. they have an important interest in north korea. different from ours but to some extent, overlapping. i think it is important the president get a feel for this. you know and he know there is a fundamental difference between campaigning as an outsider and governing as an insider. we're seeing the transition. we are seeing it take place before our eyes. >> i don't argue with that. but he had to have the chinese leader explain this to him. does he have his own advisers? >> sure. i expect he got that. but there is something very powerful hearing the chinese leader talk about the korean war from a chinese perspective. going across the river and so forth, to say here's what counts

from our perspective. it is one thing to have an american say, this is how chinese peep think about this. i expect it is quite different when the chinese president says in it his own words. it has a certain power and for the no cia briefer could possibly convey. >> appreciate your expertise as always. coming up, an important american ally just took a big step closer to authoritarianism of plus, the president's changing policy provisions have people on both sides saying what it means. but with added touches you can't get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. oh yes.... even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee! in means protection plus unique extras only from an expert allstate agent.

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demonstrators marched call the referendum to be canceled. the organized or the security and operation in europe which monitored the vote said there were irregular plarts created an uneven playing field favoring the reference done of the turkish president he said it grants sweeping powers to the president and says he can stay in office until least 2029. >> the presidency was supposed to be a figure head position. one that rises above politics now the prime minister will go away and it will be a presidency where erdogan is calling the shots and running the country. supporters say this is a good thing. that this gives him a more streamlined chain of command. it will allow decisive action to

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welcome back. president trump's reversal on multiple foreign policy decisions have left me in washington with whip lash. senator john mccain told chuck he was pleased with some of the president's moves toward thor establishment. >> there some who will say no, the washington establishment sucked him in. >> i hope so. no on.

national security i believe he has assembled a strong taken and very appropriately he is listening to them. >> let's bring in the panel from tennessee. he is a professor at the university of michigan school of public policy. and the senior political editor for msnbc, and john is a columnist at the new york post. first question to you, sir, donald trump's move toward the establishment. is that going to be okay with his base of supporters? >> it will be fine with his base of supporters assuming everything goes well and assuming his ideological base which is a much smaller and much more contained thing doesn't decide to go on warning with him and try on convince the larger group of supporters that they should oppose him. >> does he have an ideological base? >> well, i mean they group of america first, you know,

semiisolationists, don't to go war anywhere, focus trade wars and that sort of thing. he has obviously gone back on his absolute campaign commitment not to do anything in syria. there he is, he bombed the syrian air field of until so if trump doesn't pay for his political flip-flops, do the republicans? >> well, i think it is a little different than his decision to back, not back certain trade deals and such that were really central. the base will support his efforts oversees if they look successful. right now things are very could not takened. the strike in syria does not say we're going into a quag march in the middle batista way george w. bush did. the brinksmanship is very scary

with korea. the actions are pretty contained. >> is it boots on the ground? >> well, that's always the line that we all draw in terps of looking back at past presidents. it is very hard to see boots on the ground in north korea. however, the stand-off over a nuclear weapon is very frightening. and yet he's been winning prove from pea like mccain msnbc. he is definite winning points on that. official base is not yet fully comfortable with it, he is getting a lot of support elsewhere. >> are his more hawkish moves overseas a true scene that the bannon contingent within the white house is losing influence? or is it just that he's in the white house now and he's getting presidential daily briefings and seeing what's going on in the world? >> we're thinking it might be more of that.

he said he was not into nation building. president obama said he would close guantanamo. he didn't. i think a lot of people, you applaud what looks like some maturing on his part. president obama promised to do something in syria and didn't do anything. i think it concern someday democrats is that republicans alike. korea is different. is he right? how far does he push? are we able to engage china in a more constructive way? some have said that he has changed on trade. so i think we'll give him some room there. whether or not it means bannon is winning or jaesh is winning, what i think it means, you were probably thinking. mcmaster and mattis are finally playing bigger and constructive and more meaningful role. >> are they in charge of the

white house? >> well, what is the secretary of defense some the national security adviser? steve bannon helped him one his campaign and he doesn't know anything about -- >> he was remove from the campaign. >> barack obama from what we can tell, told trump during the transition that north korea it wa singl largest problem in the world for the united states, and that something was going to have to happen there. so he is, if anything, informing a pattern of some kind of ten wags, at least of the vice he was being given. opposed to syria. where he clearly had a free field of movement among republicans because one of the criticisms was that he was so pass jive and refused to act. >> especially for us, we the

don't know what comes after this guy or how the military may behave. >> or how he may behave. >> we don't know where the cites rflt there's so much we have to find out. so part of this question is. can donald trump who is a person who clearly has very short attention span. can he conduct a foreign policy with a pursuable goal? with steps, tactic that's lead to a strategy? we don't know. >> and here's another question. richard haas didn't really citizen ice is him. it is jarring to their president of the united states say that he learned if the president of china what the relationship is and why it is much more complicated. i know he is not a foreign policy expert. as he businessman coming into this with a different set of eyes. but what do republicans think when they hear their president

say they're learning something about the world from the chinese president? >> okay. so republican voters like him. the people who voted for him still like him. they're not fleeing from him. peep interested in foreign policy matters are as disturbing as anyone else by the notion the president could say we had a nice piece of cake and he talked to me for ten minutes and it turns out i can't just tell china to fix north korea ask they'll fix it. which is the wrong message. so president xi says it is so complicated for me. and trump could say, i don't care whether it is complicated for you or not. this madman is going to get a nuclear weapon with icbms. >> it was very sip mr. black ask white. this is way it's going to be and i'll fix it. >> even the people who don't like trump os opposed to his base. one as to think, there is a lesson of maturity here.

he is admitting publicly that he is stepping for and saying i didn't know what it didn't know. how can he choose a strategy to follow ask stick with it? it is one they know to say that you know you need to learn more. that doesn't make you an expert. >> stay with us. still ahead, the election that could send shock waves through congress. how president trump is weighing in on georgia's special election.

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tomorrow is the day politics junkies have you a been waiting for of the special election to fill tom price's seat in georgia's sixth congressional seat. john ossoff is trying to ride a wave of money to cross the 50% thresh hold tomorrow. if he gets there, he wins. if not, assuming he has the most votes which is what we expect to happen, he go head to head with the second place vote getter in a run-off election in june. democrats doing everything they can to win tomorrow when there

are multiple candidates on the ballot because it gets much more did it for him to went in a head head to election. trump got had on the action this morning as well tweeting the super will he be ral democrat in the georgia congressional race torment wants to protect countries, allow illegal imgrion and raise attaches. ossoff says the president is misinformed. there are a handful of republicans running. droormts spread out among a few big names. joining me, one of the candidates in the sixth district. bob gray. thank you for joining us, first question, do you think this race is a reference done on donald trump? >> it certainly seems the liberals are trying to frame it as such. as i go knocking on doors and

phone cause, even more enthusiasm for trump than you saw a few months ago. >> do you think that running against ossoff, if you end up going head to head with him. would you want the president to come down and campaign for you? if you believe he is as popular as you say he is? >> no question about it. i think he is gaining popularity for sure. but the republicans in this distribution are a conservative base and they'll rally around whoever winls. >> but this is a district who didn't do so well. he did went it but not by much. hillary clinton almost got it. are you concerned that he comes down to campaign for you, it could back lash? >> no. not at all, the president has gained significant pop layers since november and we know how the rally around our republican candidate of. >> what is your evidence of that? >> well, just i can tell you

from walking around the district and many phone cause, we have a very strong ground game team. we're getting tremendous feedback ask a lot of positive ideas about how this race will turn out. >> you're campaigning on a familiar face. draining the swamp of the do you think this press has done enough so far in this administration to do just that? >> i think he is making every attemphe can. but i think he's learning how deep that swamp is. if you're looking at the reactions to resist the orders, health care would be a good example. all of the d.c. and the establishment is doing everything they can to thwart his agenda of. >> there are things that are pretty easy to do. one is to release thor visitor

logs. had that is an easy they know to do to make this presidency had more trans parent, to prove that he's doing what he said he want to do. to drain the swamp of. >> i miss that had one this morning. i've been out all day campaigning. so i can't really give you much ensight into that of. >> do you think they shoulder release the visitor logs? >> i'm not sure. i haven't study that had one at all i'm focused on the sixth district. spending time with georgiians. i haven't really thought about what happens in d.c. with what happens with visit o'logs at the white house. >> are you confident that republicans would like the see a repeal and replace of obamacare or would they rather see a snix. >> there is a strong desire and expectation to do a full repeal of obamacare. that has been eight years.

i think it is a matter of getting things put together smartly and we'll see a replay. >> are there any issues where you don't see eye to eye with donald trump? >> in his speech zwroenlt sessions of congress, i think the whole country saw him grow into the role. he outlined 22 promises. pass characterizes his grend, there's not a single one that i disagree with. >> do you have anything so far during his time in the white house that you do not agree with? >> no. i wouldn't say that. but i will say that as we've seen even today, more concern around north korea, an area that i would like to see greater development in is cyber security. that missile is going to get launched someday. and i would much rather see it from taking off than hope we can shoot it down. so that's a significant area of

capability that i think we need to spend more time investing in and perhaps there will be additional details as we see things unfold. >> if you went, you'll be serving under the leadership of paul ryan? do you support him? >> well, i think he is in a tougher spot. he has tough group to corral. bits leadership. expecting that, how important the agenda items are, i think we should all expect paul ryan to exert the leadership that's necessary in his role as speaker of the house the deliver on the president's agenda. >> so let's talk about the race you're in. why did your campaign launch? a press release that said, that was a month out from the election.

do you consider that to be a dirty trick? >> on april foos, if we can't have a little fun, we're missing something. >> is that a funny april foos jo, fools joke to say one of then endorsed you? or is that going to seed in someone's ear and make them think that she dropped out of the race? >> i'm pretty clear that every one in roswell in the sixth district understood what that was. >> appreciate your tyime. good luck of. >> four and a half hours of thank you. still ahead, what you didn't get to see from chuck's exclusive interview. what if technology gave us the power to turn this enemy into an ally? microsoft and its partners are using smart traps to capture mosquitoes and sequence their dna to fight disease. there are over 100 million pieces of dna in every sample.

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penetrate the earth and get after deeply hidden, i believe there is a tunnel system. it is certainly capable of doing that to bunker systems and likes like that. so a conventional weapon descened to do what it did. >> but you said you're not going to win this just by isis. >> not just by dropping bombs twoext change way he mdle easterners think. i serve in the afghanistan all over iraq. i understand the hate. while i was in iraq leading sail oz, soldiers, airmen, working with the shia treebs, the only solution is not dropping bombs. we have to change the dynamic

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see proof that zrump under audit? we do. we can't get that unless the irs confirms and it the irs can't legally confirm it. why don't donald trump ask for old taxes? we have. we have. we have asked for the taxes not under audit. he doesn't have to release them and the only other option is if somebody leaked them. is there a point down the line donald trump will pay a political price for not releasing his taxes? >> i think the political price he pays is stimulation of democratic and liberal hatred will be ever present and will always be able to be tweaked and pushed like a bruise when ever the taxes are mentioned. will he pay a price with republicans? no. this has now moved into a different category. as shows, you go along with him

on this. >> why don't republicans care? >> i think the story is if he had lost they would care. he doesn't want them released and they don't want to give him trouble and be cross-wise with them. >> trump said that in a tweet this weekend. i won the electoral college. why are they still asking for my taxes? having defied all predictions and won that race, all those nagging questions that hung out before the election and since hung out should be wiped off the ledger. >> every president since carter released his taxes. are we left to assume donald trump is hiding something he doesn't want us to see in his taxes. what could that be? >> i couldn't believe sean spicer was asked about the taxes trump will presumably file tomorrow. he said we're in perpetual audit. how could he know that for taxes just coming due now. >> he can see the future.

you didn't know that? spicer was asked by jean carl very bluntly, you give the same answer over and over again, he is under audit. >> why can't you release taxes under audit? it is a non-sector anyway. that was a line he promulgated and spicer will say anything to get himself through a difficult question to the next estion. there is no reason he shouldn't release his taxes according to american law and not only is the president not subject to congressional orders of this sort, our taxes are private business. you are not obliged and can't be forced to release. >> you cannot be forced. donald trump is a public figure and not just a public figure, president of the united states. >> hopefully it comes up in the russia investigation.

>> what are the options democrats have to get them? >> watching burr and warner when they looked as if they appeared to be the adult, if they say our investigation reached a point we need to see these returns. that would be the only thing to your point about republicans coming forward and watershed in a lot of ways. i think a lot of -- i didn't mean to cut you o, a lot of the grassroots movement, i hope after tomorrow's election they move to the districts and states in which members of congress on this committee in the house or senate saying, look, we want his tax returns, want part of what you're doing and hope you ask for it. short of that, i think john and beth are right. he won and he's of the belief if people really wanted to see them they wouldn't have voted for him. >> it turns out -- >> i don't know if that's right or wrong. it's what happened. >> the idea you had to do it turned out not to be true. the other thing about it, weird to me, when the 2005 taxes came out and turned out he paid $38

million in federal taxes, that wasn't harmful for him. >> it was a good story. >> it wasn't harmful to him. it meant he was as rich as he said, also part of this whole thing, maybe he's not released them because we find out he doesn't have as much money as we thought he had, he doesn't want us to know that. >> it's still a lot. it's still a lot, i think. people saying he doesn't have as much are people -- he has a billion opposed to $4 billion. it's plenty. >> you can say this for a whole host of issues here. i can't even begin to fathom the uproar republicans would be holding or having, they would be having if hillary clinton decided not to release her taxes. >> all i would say every time presidents do things and change the reality. bill clinton was a man who had pretty much been exposed as a philanderer before he was president and had things going

on in the white house when he was. he got away with it because he won. you would have said 10 years earlier no person running for president could have survived that. trump now creates a new reality. >> to our viewers, we asked for the taxes, donald trump could choose to release them or somebody choose to leak them or voters hold him accountable. one of those options are available. thank you. after the break, happy holidays. stay tuned. (de♪p breath)

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in case you missed it, americans like to celebrate. it is still passover in certain areas, different traditions in different parts of the globe. in massachusetts, a state holiday, patriots day where they commemorate the battles of lexington and concord and marathon monday. in d.c., they're marking emancipation day the variance when slavery was abolished in 1862. it's also why you got an extension on your taxes. the irs and other government offices were closed today. it was also president trump inaugural white house easter egg roll hosted by the president and his family. you know what? those weren't the only reasons to feel festive today. a quick google search says today is also national cheeseball day

and national bat appreciation day because april is apparently when bats start to emerge from hibernation. it's malbc world today, you can celebrate the wine tomorrow, too, we won't judge. that's it for me. i will go get batty with an malbec and bag of cheeseballs. >> a nationwide manhunt is on for a cold-blooded killer that executed a 74-year-old man in daylight and posted that video on facebook. there is now a $50,000 arrest reward for steve stephens and police made a plea directly to him. >> steve, if you're out there listening, call someone, whether a friend or family member or pastor. give them a call because they're waiting on you to call them. >> as we speak the fbi and