and video behind the scene videos, i put a whole lot of video, i did a facebook live from the field hpital in iraq. it's posted there. e video is posted there. go check it out. it really is unimaginable what's going on there. hard ball with chris matthews starts right now. >> trump to camp, got to behave, let's play hardball. good evening i'm chris matthews and washington the trump white house is responding to the threat from north korea by attacking barack obama for the crisis. and just hours after north korea's failed missile launch this week, vice president mike pence toured the dnc between north and south korea, he warned the regime that all options are now on the table. >> as the president has made very clear, either china will deal with this problem or the united states and our allies

will. there was a period of strategic patience. but the error of strategic patience is over. president trump has made it clear that the patience of the united states and our allies in this region has run out and we want to see change. >> meanwhile back at the white house, president trump again reprimanded like a trouble making school kid, let's watch it. >> the north korean regime, said today the united states is pushing the situation in the korean peninsula to the brink of war. well, the second part of the president's message usual habits was a political attack on his predecessor quoting a guest on fox news early today. president trump tweeted, the first 90 days has exposed total failure of last years of foreign policy, so true. we were later asked by fox news

whether he ruled out a military strike on north korea, here was his response. >> i don't want to telegraph what i'm doing or what i'm thinking. i'm not like other administrations where they say we're going to do this in four weeks and that doesn't work that way. we'll see what happens. i hope things work out well. i hope there's going to be peace like you know they've been talking with this gentleman for a long time, hillary clinton's book. we made such a great peace deal it was a joke. you look at different things over the years with president obama. everybody has been out played. they've all been out played by this gentleman and we'll see what happens. just don't telegraph my moves. >> arthur of the washington examiner's -- author of the washington examiner. thank you for coming over here from the pentagon. so let me ask you, you can start, everybody jump in here, what can you discern to be the strategic effort, not patience, any more, strategic urgency of

the trump effort in north korea. >> so keep in mind, strategic patience is this notion that you bring in your allies, every time north korea had some sort of a provocative action, let's say a missile test or nuclear test, the community around them, those allies that you have put enough pressure on them that eventually north korea will stop, that it will deter his activity. well, it obviously, has not been working as of yet, just this past year in 2016 he had about two dozen missile launches. he had several tests, the numbers versus his father on military provocations. he's out weighed his father in just the first few years in his time as the leader there. so, now, what we're looking at, frankly, you know, vice president pence he talked about strategic patience and end to it when he was at the dnc, secretary of state said that amount a month ago. >> how do we push this guy in

the short run to give upis nuclear program. >> so what they're doing is, of course, they're using t two-prong approach, right. we hear president trump ramping up the rhetoric, making threatening tweets and statements, moving military assets in a way that looks provocative. at the same time, they're trying to bring china into the mix. you know, one thing i think that trump is right about is that the united states has not really had china working with it and trying to really pressure north korea. well, they're certainly making noises like they are. they don't -- china doesn't have an interest in having nuclear neighbor -- >> but, the president of china just the other day told trump, according to trump, we don't have that much impact on north korea. he was pulling back on his ability to fix the situation. >> and trump was pushing back and saying, yes, you do particularly in the area of trade. there are clearly more things that china can do they can implement the sanctions, more

thoroughly, a lot more economic pressure. right now that's what they're talking about economic pressure. >> the question here is how is this any different than barack obama was trying to do. obama tried to go to doing these things. is trump all of a sudden having some kind of success where obama didn't or are these moves that china is forecasting as a result of china realizing on its own that, hey, this is becoming a greater threat in our region. >> i think it was the beautiful chocolate cake. >> we talked before. display what you're thinking and telling me before, we've dropped the mother of all bombs, i hate the phrase it comes from sudan hussein. we went out and attacked the chemical war site in syria. does that -- whatever the reason for those events, will they have the impact of spooking ken. >> i think the administration hopes that they do, but the reality is nothing happens in a

vacuum, we know that, right? general nicholson who is in afghanistan, general towns end who are warning the iraq. they weren't making the cal cue l -- we're doing to strike this chemical this facility where this airfield where the chemical weapons were flown out of and maybe that will help in the situation with north korea. i will make the exact opposite argument of that, that these are individual, very specific wars that they were running in two different places and it seems to me after these things happened, the politicians moved in and tried to all tie it together. >> these aren't our strategic urgency methods, what are they. >> that does seem to be the method. >> it's a slow down or stop his nuclear weapons development. >> that does seem to be a method, just spooking him. circling him with the warships. dropping these bombs and saying, look, here, this could be next. in the white house press briefing when the administration

is pressed on this and pressed on whether there is a red line. they make very clear that they want no part in getting involved in a big messy war over there or having a big military -- >> suppose, all three are jumping in. i'm ansi, we've been through a lot of wars in our life. you get into not knowing what you're getting into them. what happens if they start leashing their artillery, they said, we thought we were under attack because what trump has been saying. i mean, how does that look in history when they destroy south korea we pushed them too hard. >> that's the risk is miscalculation, maybe a small incident thatescalates. the pentagon has war game this scenario as you can imagine over the years. the u.s. and south korean allies, it was win but at a great cause. the estimates are casualties between -- >> what does south korea come back from all out bliss. you can't keep falling back like

you can in russia. we saw it went down on the peninsula back in the korean war, that was at the end for them. how does south korea survive an all out assault from the north, can they? >> well, they could. and the u.s. would prevail and the u.s. and south korean allies would prevail. it will be a tremendous fall. i think what a lot of people don't realize -- >> yes, we are, because -- >> you think the united states is going to put military force in south korea. >> would you be using much more high-tech weapons. i think what they don't remember is, unlike you may have a debate in congress and argue over the military force, the u.s. is committed to defend south korea by a treaty, a treaty that just went there and said, is ironclad because, you know, the korean war didn't end with peace treaty. >> here is more immediate dely

-- delima. we told them don't do something like this again, they're going to do exactly that. we' we're playing this game of chicken, when they go ahead and do it, what's our response. >> president trump's deputy national security adviser was asked on fox if the u.s. played a role in north korea's is of nuclear launch, missile launch this weekend. it wasn't nuclear, it was a missile. this weekend, let's watch. >> did the u.s. sabotage this missile. >> now, chris, you know we can't talk about secret intelligence and things that might have been done covert, operations that might have happened. i really have no comment on that nor should i. >> i don't have any particular comment on what happened with the north korean missile, but it was a fizzle. >> so what's that about a fizzle. i can read language that although she denied it, formerly she had sort of acknowledged it with a fizzle joke. >> there have been rumors in the intelligence and military

community that the u.s. has been working on this capability for years. so in not just to be able to -- it would involve some sort of electronic war fair that would jam a missile. >> what did we deal -- how does that work, how did we screw up somebody else's cooperation. >> we got them to spin at such a speed to destroy themselves. >> well, the "new york times" also is behind the report that -- one of the prima facie pieces of evidence is, the missile that north korea is using is based on russian design, it's not the greatest missile in the world, it's reliable. he's had an astoundingly bad record, the failure rate is much higher. that makes people go, could there be something behind that. if the united states were using cyber warfare to sabotage the missiles, it's the last thing they want to talk about them.

>> there were a lot of russian engineers and scientists available at the end of the cold war, out of money, out of career. i wondered why these fourth world countries didn't grab them. the technology exist. you don't have to reinvent the wheel here. why did they just grab those out of work russian guys and give them 100,000 a year and they're not going to get them at home. >> i think -- >> i'm serious. >> it's a good question, actually. >> it's not just the technology. you can google how to make, you know, how to make an atomic bomb in your basement. you need to have this -- that's the whole reason that iranians are going to have weapons program, it takes a long time to get through it to make a bomb. >> you have to look at what's the motivation here by north korea to have this. it is their entire being is all about military deterrence. and there's no -- you know, they -- his father created that

in 1990s when it looked like south korea with the democracy, dictator ship was not prospering, he created this sense of military first. the people there, they embrace that and they recognize that we have to ration food and we're not going to have supplies and what not, because the military is more important than we are. so the biggest concern to is not an actual physical kinetic attack, it was something that would bring down his regime, bring down him inside. that's why he needs to have this deter rent in the form of nukes and missiles. >> far more impulsive than his father. >> yes. >> very ruthless and someone who actually organized the slaughter of his own brother, who could feel threatened by the slightest thing and we don't know how we would respond. the question is, is it the right policy to have this shift, which is simply to spook him. >> i'll say one thing that's been on my mind for weeks now. north korea is the new worry of

the world right now. do we all agree? >> when the strategic commander of the united states was asked what really kept them up at night, it was great. >> loo at t first place secretary mattis >>went. thank you so much, jamie mcintyre and heidi, republicans have georgia on their mind, thanks to the special election for congress, meet the democratic frontrunner, he's coming here on hard ball tonight. tomorrow is tax day and trump will be filing, will we ever see his returns, i don't think. thousands are protesting however in the streets. check out what happens at the senator's town hall. >> as far as i'm aware, the president says he's still under -- [ boo ] >> any way does president hiding here, we'll dig into trump's problems with transparency. he won't tell us what his business like, he won't let us

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welcome back to hard ball, last week democrats came surprisingly close to capturing a traditionally red congressional seat out in kansas, well, tomorrow democrats have a better chance at flipping a republican red seat down in georgia sixth congressional district, that's in the northern suburbs of atlanta which was left vacant by hhs tom price. 18 people are for that seat, 11 republicans fought democrats two independents, all eyes are on the democratic frontrunner, and candidate john ossoff. he's aware that this election is referendum on him weighed in the super liberal democrat in the georgia congressional race wants to protect criminals, allow illegal immigration, it's not that he's the best advocate. he won the district by 1 poi.5 points. by comparison mitt romney won that seat by 24 points back in

2012. the republicans and democrats have spent $14 million in tv ads. samuel l. jackson was recruited by democrats to urge voters to head to the polls tomorrow, let's listen. >> remember what happened the last time people stayed home, we got stuck with trump. we have to channel the great vintage that we have for this administration and to vote at the ballot box. >> the race is open, they -- one race, actually, if no one wins more than 50% they face off in a june run off. more on what's happening down there on the ground, i'm joined by casey who is in the -- 50%, that's the threshold for ossoff. if he doesn't get it that's tough. >> that is the threshold, chris. there are some democrats who are trying to argue that he'll be better off that he is in a run off not among 18 candidates.

but the reality here is if you can't clear that 50% threshold, he is in much better shape. he's raised $8.3 million in just four months that's, as you know, an incredible amount. he's kind of become the vessel in to which democrats have put all of their hopes and dreams in the age of trump. it's theirirsthance to deal a body blow. ossoff himself, he's an interesting, i spoke to him earlier today. he clearly is very much on message. it's very difficult to throw him off of his talking points and he clearly has been dealing with this kind of perception that he is all about this national narrative and race. he's trying to, you know, convince people that his volunteers are not just people who flew from berkeley california, i met one of those on the ground today. he bought his ticket back in february to help out on this race because he wanted to do something, anything, to help trump. so, you know, ossoff is saying

this is about you, the people of the sixth district, but clearly there's a little more to it than that, chris. >> casey, you're great. thank you so much. now joined by the democratic frontrunner and candidate john ossoff. thank you for joining us tonight. what do you think about the latest trump moves. do you think trump was right to bomb syria. >> i think if u.s. intelligence confirmed that the syrian military struck civilians with chemical weapons in a swift punitive limited strife was a reasonable response and any further action should require congressional approval. we can't get drawn into the ground. >> what do you make what's going on. are you're in vous li a little am. >> we have the systems in place to defeat the missile threat. i don't believe that the administration or any administration has the authority to pre-emptively strike north korea and enter the united states into a regional war

without congressional approval. >> how do we defend south korea against utility strike against conventional weapons. how do we do that? >> an artillery strike on seoul would be very very difficult to defend against and would be probably inevitably in the event of the out break of major hostilities. that's one of the reasons that it's such a flash point. but we can defeat the missile threat from north korea with range of defensive systems that we have fm o navy and some of our land based systems. >> what do you make of trump? >> well, it was one of the most divisive and destructive presidential races in u.s. history and i think that many have been hoping that the president will heel some of those wounds, show good faith and a more inclusive approach to governance so far, i don't think he's allayed those concerns among those who believe that that divisive approach is not recognized. >> what do you make of him personally, is he a mixed bag.

do you think he's bad. give me a word for him. >> well, i have great respect for the office. i don't have great personal admiration for the man himself. >> what do you make of him. >> i don't know the man. i don't know the man, but what i hope is that he'll show good faith and sound judgment. i would be interesting, for example, in working with him on infrastructure bill that could deliver real solutions to georgia so we can keep growing our local economy here. i think there's room to work across the aisle and i'll work with anyone who has the best interest of this community at heart. i'll stand up to anyone who does not -- >> what should we do about illegal immigration? >> well, the only real solution, and i think most people recognize this, is comprehensive reform that secures the border and that provides a path to legal status for nonfelons who lacked documentation. there's no way that a mass deportation program of 11 million people can be carried out. >> what are we doing to stop the

magnet of illegal jobs which is the reason people come here. how do you stop people from hiring people illegally, how do you do that, that is the reason that come here -- they get here and the person just gets here two days ago is the most desperate and works the hardest for the lowest money. how do you stop that pattern of exploitation? >> well, the best way to stop it is to secure the border and provide a path to legal status so folks can come out. >> now, this is what -- this the failure to be comprehensive. what do you do to enforce our immigration laws. >> well, there should be stricter penalties for those who knowingly employ those who don't have proper documentation because that deprives law abiding american citizens of war. but that in and of itself, chris, is not a solution unless there is both a border security element and the pathway to legal status. >> the point that you finally got to what they skipped, i think that's the lack of come

pres p -- comprehensive, are you moderate or progressive. >> i try to shy away from labels, chris and focus on the issues. when it comes -- >> if you had to choose a label for yourself, which would it be, give me a label? >> i'm pragmatic, one of the things that will be refreshing about representing this district, it is a prague mmatic, for example, comprehensive immigration reform far too many members are afraid and lacked the grit and the guts to do something that's difficult politically. i will do something that's difficult politically and move to the center and try to get big things done whether it's on immigration and infrastructure or tax reform. >> let's hope you get a chance to do it. good luck on the campaign tomorrow. this is the big one tomorrow who may well win the whole baby tomorrow. thank you, up next, thousands across the country are protesting, demanding to see

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>> and trump has claimanted t. t let's take a look at this and how we address that question for the last. >> i will absolutely show my return and i'm being audited now for two or three years so i can't do it until the audit is finished. >> i'll release them when the order is complete. >> my tax returns are very simple. they're under a minor, routine ordered as they had been for many years, every year i got audited. right now i'm under routine order, nobody cares. >> the only one that cares about my tax returns are the reporter. >> you don't think the american public is concerned? >> no i don't think so. i won. i became president. i don't think i care at all. >> demonstrations this weekend

appear to contradict. the american public is not concerned with his returns, sean spicer was asked when the president should lose that excuse that he's under audit. >> you always talk about under audit the president audit, is it times to say once and for all the president is never going to release his tax returns. >> i'll have to get back to you on that? >> i mean, really. >> no, i said i will have to get back to you on that, i think he is still under audit. the statement still stands. >> it's like jessie jackson, the question is moot. joined now by theound table jason johnson, and annie and - and start here. i thought jonathan carl had a great question there. many stopped and pretension under audit.

i'm just saying, you're never going to release them, get it over with. >> that's what's more interesting to me. we don't know why he doesn't want to. just say you're not going to do it. you're not running for re-election. the lying is what adds to the kind of anger, just admit you're going to do something. >> just straight out there and hanging on your problem. hey, say -- i don't want the little people to see how much money i make. want to see how little taxes i pay. >> everybody is filing their taxes tomorrow. they haven't already done so, that's traditionally when presidents will release. >> that's a permanent endless extension. i think you're right. as a matter of fact -- his sons, his sons have said, both dawn and eric at one point or another, he will be crazy to release his tax returns. we don't want to give competitors information about business. that's what they've said. now that he's president, he

can't give the business competition excuse. >> okay, what adds to the problem here. i'm not obsessed with this, some of our friends are and somebody in our family is. when you add on top of this, not only am i not releasing my tax, i'm not going to let you know who comes into the white house, which double downs. i won't tell you about my business before i get here. and i'm not telling you about my business when i'm here. that is not the way the american system should work. >> what was so interesting at the white house briefing today when spicer was asked about that, you know, on one hand when he's talking about tax returns. he'll say, well, we don't know, we're not going to do it. when he talks about, the white house logs, then they're talking about tradition. we'll say, well, no president really did this and we'll go back to tradition. within five minutes he's breaking one tradition that's been around for 40 years and then on the other end, no, we're going to follow it. >> have you. is he singing tradition? i never heard -- >> he's got a few problems here.

one of them is he was demanding transparency for barack obama, that's number one. number two, things aren't really going that well in the trump white house, so there's a natural curiosity for people to know what's going on, you know, on the deck, what's happening behind the scenes that's made this operation not work so well right now. he's also flipped positions on so many things and his numbers have plummeted as a result. people don't -- the more people don't trust him now and you've dot to look at the transparency issue within the framework of that. >> i'm not sure he's coming down. >> i think his approval -- his job approval rating has picked up in some polls at the same time that people's personal regard for him have gone in the other -- >> what would you rather have. >> well, i'll take it. >> we call them ratings. >> well, if that's true, if that's true, if that's true, he's doing to continue along this way.

>> well, i think it is ironic that people may think he's a little less. i don't think he's more or less dishonest, he called obama an illegal immigrant. and he says stuff that we know he knows under lie detecter test. there this's absolutely no evidence of that. >> and we know there's no audit. can't the irs -- they're making a statement, he -- can't somebody that will be a good leak. >> he would have been inviting the irs people to do that for months now. into their credit so far they have it. >> i thought they were all liberals over there. >> they might actually believe in the ethics of their job. >> i think over all, you know, whether it's the drain the swamp, anything else he was saying, we're paying for the white house. i think that -- >> he had the trip. >> we're paying for as

taxpayers, his obligation to tell us, what have you got to hide. >> you say that, what is he doing right now. what's in your wallet. he said, i'm figuring richard and tough to you, you know. >> he's not -- >> let me ask you this, let's talk ant the people in the streets, real people, they're not paid. people like people i know, certainly, what is it, the concern about the concern that's changed. was he lying to the fact ha he was not paying enough taxes. i think he had -- we've got the one report that can project and taking so many tax deductions he wasn't 15 years. there's also concern about entanglemen entanglements. what do you think is driving that person in the street right now, the protest. >> the person in the street. >> they think and there's some evidence to back up their theory, that this administration is being run like a giant private enterprise off the books for the benefit of global n

investors all over the world and people who may have lent donald trump money. i think what is at the root of the concern about it concerned about the tax returns is who he has borrowed money from. and that feeds into the larger image that the people who are demonstrating have, that this administration is just a big private corporate exercise. >> i think we're going to keep hearing this because trump had said he wants to do over all to tax code. you cannot have a massive piece

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looking at politics from an exaggerated lens but now viewers to watch in comparison the show's main character and former character. some of the moments have felt like they belong in one of the episodes here. so much so that fans have played trump video over the credits which usually depict the chaos going on inside the white house. let's watch. >> thank you everybody. we'll see some very very strong results, very quickly. thank you very much. >> was that your intention, sir. >> right now, you just saw, he plays former white house chief of staff on veep. thank you for joini us. last night you had tbe the bad news bear last nightithhe

former president. >> it was kind of a sad scene. >> is this the story she's not going to run. she's not running again or is she? >> well, i'm trying to convince her that it's really not a good idea to run, but as you know selena meyers and take much advice from anyone, so i think it will remain to be seen. >> are you guys tracking certainly feelings. hillary to track this as well. and i don't mean it negatively. why go through it one more time, a third try. is this -- do you think your script writers were thinking about that when they wrote this. >> you know, i think our script writers, you know, his group of strides really don't, they continue the tradition of not using current things going on in politics to shape the show. there's certainly a lot of

crossover, you know, because things are -- it's washington, d.c. and, you know, bizarre stuff happens and it's getting more bizarre by the minute. you know, i have been watching the news since korea came up and it was just too scarey a prospect for me. i was in the green room for watching the show and getting ready to talk about -- i'm watching someone talk about the idea that we could defend south korea with north korea, it scared the living hell out of me. >> well, it should. i'm just saying, kevin, you say it's the one thing that scares me, we're dealing with a guy, down cuban missile crisis, at least we were dealing with a communist who had some principles he made to the bad guy from my point of view. he wasn't going to blow up the world. >> he's truly a maniac. i'm sure he doesn't myriad of disorders and, you know, i don't know what's in his liquor cabinet.

i imagine it's pretty bad. >> what do you think of those guys marching along like robots, along with the same exact expression on their face. you know, i think i know what freedom looks like, it's the opposite of that. >> knowing if you don't have the same look as everyone else on my face, you'll end up with 50 caliber, antiaircraft getting blown to pieces. and they're starving, you know, they're marching along with, you know, a spoonful of rice. >> last year's presidential, however it turned down. it turned down in a bizarre way. we had a lot of options. we had your guy, bernie sanders, we had potentially, we never quite got to them joe biden. we had trump and hillary. you think there could have been surprise different democrat and challenger to trump in the end, the last couple of months. there would have been a different campaign with bernie or biden. >> yeah, i think -- it would have been a different campaign

just because i think that there was kind of a very rigid system that the campaign had and they didn't verify and things that i read seemed to dictate that they didn't want anyone interfering with their little -- their campaign. so, yeah, i think it would have been -- i think it would have been more interesting in terms of actual, you know, the nuts and bolts of, you know, how we get jobs, how we can pay people 15 bucks an hour. i think that would have been pressed a lot more. with biden, i think it will be similar to hillary, but, again, he didn't have such a stamp on him. it was just an all out battle royal between who is the worst person and it didn't help out. it didn't help raise issues and it became just kind of such a mud throwing contest that i think people got really

dishardened by it. >> look to the future right now. we had trump as president, it takes two-thirds of the vote by the senate to convict. i think a lot of friends progress, oh, the way he erupts to us. the system doesn't erupt. our system is pretty rigid. >> yeah, it's just, i mean, i hear all these things about impeach him and all the stuff. that's not going to happen. i think what we have to do is open up, i think, for democrats, they just -- they're proving not to be progressives. i think there's a huge chunk in this country, especially with young people that are social democrats. they don't want to hear that we can't have $15 minimum wage. that's about the same as it was when -- when i was back their age. that's what it came out to. and, when i went to college, you know, i had kids who, you know,

and my neighborhood and we could go to ste college, although i we to private college, that was $4,000 a year. that was like, whoa. and i end up spending, i was 6,000 when i got out of school, you know. >> hindsight -- i was 2,800 bucks a day. >> they'll call you and what are you sending in, 15 bucks. i'll send you in 15 bucks this month. >> kevin, you're a regular guy. this is my highest salute. regular guy, by the way. democrats and progressives need an agenda. they'll put it out there five or ten points they'll fight for it and what they are and nobody -- and schumer is not doing that. thank you so much, sir. >> thank you. >> and speaking of entertainment meeting politics, christian bale is going to be talking about his new movie, "the promise." he's got to do anything. that's tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern. we return let me finish tonight

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>> those who become americans know it, feel it, revere it. today at the white house we saw a small but telling scene of an immigrant showing a stronger impulse to display patriotism than someone like so many of us that are fortunate to have been born here. you can say that doesn't matter. but this little thing all in with chris hayes starts right now.