publicly funded projects, that they're using american steel to build. it will sound good. as far as what the voters that nicolle is out there talking to, what they're going to have to show for it after 100 days of this presidency, i don't know what that is, and that probably goes a long way to explaining some of the president's poll numbers. that and the whiplash when it comes to policy. >> our thanks to eli stokols. and nicolle wallace, i happen to know there are a lot of flights from detroit to new york, i take them all the time. get on one of them. we miss you here in the studio. >> i'm on my way. >> i know you're out with the constituents. appreciate you joining us tonight. we'll take our next break with thankto both of our guests. coming up, a member of congress who has more reason than most to be following this threat from

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welcome back to "the 11th hour." at this point we want to bring adam smith into our conversation. he represents an area between seattle and tacoma. he is notably the ranking member of the house armed services committee. thank you very much for joining us. i want to start on north korea.

obviously enough to give us all great concerns. a failed state, which is a nuclear state, as someone pointed out, an economy about the size of the city of dayton ohio, yet look at how much money they've siphoned off to develop an arsenal. do you have concerns about the team on this end dealing with it? >> i do. and north korea, they're not actually a failed state. they are very ex-tant. >> they have to be pretty close? >> yes, they have millions of people starving, but they don't really care. their leadership and the people close to the leadership is all they care about. and they continue to build nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles that are a threat to the immediate region. i am concerned about what president trump and the military leaders are going to do about it. i'm concerned about

miscalculation. i heard some of your earlier guests talking about the president's strategy seemingly being unpredictable. >> when you have somebody like kim jong-un who is not a very intelligent leader, who is trying to prop himself up by looking strong, a huge risk of miscalculation that could lead to a catastrophic war. i hope we have calmer heads in terms of how we deal with north korea. the threat is very, very real. >> i was watching the white house briefing today. sean spicer was asked a question about political officials in hawaii reviewing security plans, having to do with north korea's capability by air. there you are in seattle. that begins a west coast metropolitan area. without too much time and trouble they can combine nuclear

technology with their ability to make a missile that works i suppose it takes on a little more urgency on the west coast of the u.s.? >> it does. even more simple than that, they have nuclear weapons, without question. and if they wanted to hit us with a nuclear weapon, they could put it on a freighter and send it over here. maybe we detect it, maybe we don't. maybe we could shoot down a missile. if north korea wanted to inflict harm on us and south korea, they have the capability right now. the question is, how do we deter them? i think the way we did her them. the one thing kim jong-un is not is suicidal. homicidal? yes. we have to make it clear that if he attacks us, if he attacks south korea, any of our allies, his regime will cease to exist. and that has to be the point of deterrence.

i am worried that we will think we need to do some preemptive strike to try to get at his capabilities. i don't see anyway that we can take out the number of nuclear weapons he has. if we were to miscalculate and he miscalculates? that's how you wind up in a dangerous situation. i hope some diplomacy and calmer heads will prevail within the white house, within the pentagon, and i hope we remember we do have a state department that we ought to use and we ought to fund by the way. because diplomacy is one of the best ways we did advance u.s. interests. not just military policy. >> i bet somewhere in that area is a desk officer who knows everything there is to know about north korea. thank you for your time. >> thanks. another break for us. coming up, more fiery town hall moments just today. as members of congress meet

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florida. should town hall meetings be mandatory? go out and meet the customers? meet your bosses. >> you have no choice these days. not only do you have to stand in front of your constituents. you now have a technology overlay that forces you whether you choose to or not, to not only be confronted, but to have to answer these questions. i think every senator and for that matter the congressman, ought to be on record. should the president release his tax returns there's legislation in congress to mandate that both parties have to release their tax returns, which i think is something congress should act on. wouldn't it be great if senator schumer and mcconnell could come together in a bipartisan way and say we should do this. if they don't do it, imagine perhaps the chairs of the -- the chair and vice chair on the intelligence committee. short of that, i don't know what

will compel this president to do that. i saw john carl earlier when spicer couldn't answer the question, and basically admitted this president won't release them unless he's forced to. >> congressman jolly, while it doesn't look like fun. i interviewed congressman donovan from new york a week ago. he has teletown halls and he'll meet with small numbers of constituents. he blamed organized protesters, several of whom got in touch with us, and said, we're just constitue constituents. chris collins is open about it, doesn't do town halls, he'll meet with small groups. i imagine, though the pressure is going to grow and grow. everyone is finding out how kind of reluctantly popular obama care was? >>. >> and the pressure should grow. the bucket of things we don't

miss is town halls. and to the members you spoke of, if you're blaming, you're not campaigning, right? we have had unpopular presidents before. we have had bad presidents before, and you have republican members of congress trying to defend an historically unpopular president with low credibility to their own constituents. here's the important thing, here's what i would suggest to my colleagues. concede the points where you can. it's the art of war. president trump should release his taxes. and be a republican that says that, because if there is nothing to hide, then it only strengthens your party and strengthens the president. there should be an independent council for russia, if there's nothing to hide, it allows the president to get back to an agenda of governing. at times in washington, you fall into the posture that republicans have to defend republicans, sometimes just

defend what is right, and politically for members of congress, in the heat of the moment in these town halls, hail come out ahead. >> what one signature piece of legislation is donald trump going to get through congress and sign before the end of this year. >> he blew it by not starting with bipartisan infrastructure led by john delaney of maryland with a signoff of the chamber of commerce to create an infrastructure bank of jobs that were paid for -- he could have done it, he could have had a trump/schumer moment that looked like reagan o'neil, and he blew it, i don't know how he recovers after the health care debacle. >> congressman ford, same question. >> both president obama and president trump started with health care. the identity of the republican party the last eight or nine years has been to undue the health kash act.

i remember being with you shortly after obama care was released. they probably should have tried to stop trying to fix it. trump now finds himself in a similar bond. david couldn't be more right. he has to shift the taxes and infrastructure. this is the only thing that could bring democrats and republicans together. his political identity is one that transcends party. he was imperfect saying we want independent. and i think nicole said it best early, someone's going to solve things and offer a different kind of politics in washington. so far he's failed to do that. start fresh, and start by bringing mcconnell and schumer to the white house along with the congressional leaders. and let's do something different. and let's do something now. we're going to take a hold here. when we come back, the extra special special election that is taking place tomorrow and has president trump taking to twitter tonight when the 11th hour continues.

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all eyes on georgia tomorrow, and george ossoff. he has raised $8 million, even hollywood is pitching in big time as democrats hope to flip the republican seat about the stakes are high, president trump went on twitter tonight with 11 republican candidates running in georgia on tuesday for congress. a runoff will be a win. vote r for lower taxes and safety. a total of 18 people are vying for the seat left vacant by tom price who left to be hhs secretary, including 11 republicans, 5 democrats a runoff election will take place, if the winner does not cross the 50% threshold. all of that perfectly easy for voters to understand. back with us, former members of

congress, harold ford jr. and david jolly. >> do you agree, do you go along with the hype that this is water lou, this is every bit as important to both parties as we in the media have said it is? >> he's less than 100 days in. you have a win in kansas. if democrats win this seat, there's no doubt it sounds a chilling message to the president. he's a district he won by only 1 1/2 points, though. republicans will counter that way. he's a serious young guy whose exuding confidence. he answered the questions with a level of competence and for that matter, a level of thoughtfulness that i think a lot of voters see missing or absent in washington, particularly in the white house. if he does win, i think it could not only mean democrats shouldn't overread it, we ought to put forward competent serious

sober candidates who are not partisan, but strident in how they go about their work. >> congressman jolly, same question? >> he's riding a wave. the numbers are obvious, in kansas, the congressional candidate underperformed trump by 20 points. the republicans will underperform what tom price has done. i was elected in the special election shortly after the rollout of obama care in the district that president obama won twice. my opponent, a democrat who had won statewide was forced to try to justify the foib els of president obama's rollout. at the time, a very unpopular obama carrollout it was easy for me to point out what was wrong with it. i think ossoff is in the same situation. he gets to highlight how the president has failed in his

first 88 days. who is the leader of the party? are you going to defend president trump? are you going to defend paul ryan? where do you fit in this? and this is what we're trying to figure out as republicans right now. >> do people have to watch who supports them? the rap on ossoff has been, he has half of hollywood writing him a check. >> all politics are local. he's not even running his campaign right now. there is so many millions of dollars coming in, that are defining him and the republicans that are out of his control. i live through it, by the grace of god. >> harold. >> these elections are reactions to the moment. he could find himself riding a moment and benefiting from it, if he's elected he has to come back to being from georgia. i'd listen to him, though. here's a young man that understands, as much as the money's coming in from out of town, he's only going to win by the people in town. >> pleasure to have two former

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good night from new york. thank you at home for tuning in this hour. rachel will be in tomorrow. tax day is tomorrow. the 18th usually april 15th, but this year it fell on a saturday. thousands turned out in marches in cities including chicago, sacramento, atlanta, d.c., new york and west palm beach near the president's private mar-a-lago club. they were for the most part peaceful. violence did break out in berkeley, california, where 21 people were arrested as protesters clashed with hundreds of trump supporters. but on the whole they were peaceful. they were also well attended. maybe not the largest marches ever, but a clear demonstrations