friday. i'll alex witt alongside richard lui and louis burgdorf. "morning joe" starts right now. >> which one is more important to you to have, a vote on health care or a vote on a bill to keep the government open? >> i want to get both. are you shocked to hear that? we're doing very well on health care. we'll see what happens. this is a great bill, a great plan, and this will be great health care. it's evolving. there was never a give-up, the press sort of reported there was a give-up. there's no give-up. remember it took obamacare 17 months. i've really been negotiating this for two months, maybe less than that. this is a continuation, the plan gets better and better and better. it's gotten really good. a lot of people are liking it a lot. we have a good chance of getting it soon. i'd like to say next week. i believe we will get it. >> what's tougher than passing health care reform?

possibly doing it at the same time you're trying to keep the government from shutting down, but still president trump has big plans for the coming weeks in washington. the question is, is his push to get everything, may it lead to getting nothing at all? we'll talk about that. good morning, it's friday, april 21st. with us pulitzer prize winning historian jon meacham. >> -- but he did. >> they're not all home runs. >> that's a ground-out to second brace. >> sometimes you beat out an infield single. >> we don't know. maybe we'll be successful. >> if you're scoring at home, that is 4-3. >> let's have alex defend air supply. i'd watch that. >> nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt joins us. pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" eugene robinson

joins us from washington. good to have you on board. >> did you see this yesterday. we're seeing some discussion happening coming to the table saying democrats are doing great. others more self-aware. bernie sanders continues to draw big crowds, 2,000 in texas, 6,000 more in omaha, nebraska, last night. over the course of the week he drove home his message of rebuilding the democratic party. he said that donald trump didn't win, that democrats lost. with him was keith ellison, the deputy chair of the dnc. he's turning heads saying while president obama was great at giving himself elected, he left the party in need of serious repair. >> i'm a great fan of president oba obama. i voted for many things, dodd-frank, affordable care act,

wonderful achievements. but barack obama could have been a better party leader. i think the fact that he wasn't, put his legacy in jeopardy. your legacy is not a building that he's going to construct in chicago housing his presidential papers. his legacy is the work that he has done, which i believe is tremendo tremendous. but given that we lost a lot of statehouse seats, governorships, secretaries of states, his true legacy is in danger, and i think he can't say that it wasn't -- he wasn't part of those losses. who else? >> then there's this about bernie sanders and keith ellison at that rally in omaha. they went there in support mayoral candidate heath meadow, self described first middle class mayor on record. his record on abortion has

liberal groups abandoning him, a state senate bill he sponsored requiring women to be offered an ultrasound before an abortion. plig daily cost withdrew its endorsement as well. joan walsh who saw a lack of support from arkansas election tweeted, quote, bye-bye bernie. sorry if you endorsed ossoff with this same argument, too. maybe it's okay, dissing ossoff and endorsing this? nah. dnc chair tom perez issued a statement reiterating the right for women to make their own choices while saying our job at the dnc is to help democrats who have garnered support -- >> that's a lot of reading just to get to this jon meacham.

do democrats want to have speakers of the house, majority leaders, or are they going to get a guy here, a guy that had 1 100% rating with planned parenthood. you don't have to call anybody less than 50 years old little. >> i was just saying -- >> who was i talking to yesterday onset who said if you want to pick the perfect candidate to win in tennessee, in nebraska, in red states, you get a democratic mayor who is liked in the business community and who is culturally aligned with the district where he's running. this guy may not even culturally aligned. they're going back eight years ago he agreed to a bill that said a doctor could tell a woman she had a right to an ultrasound. for that they're blowing up the

party? these are not people that want to be in charge of the house and the senate again. we've been asking this question over and over and over again to democratic leaders. if somebody is from tennessee and they're progressive on economic issues but they're pro life and pro gun, can you support them? oh, no. that's what i'd say to republicans who wouldn't support a pro choice candidate who was conservative fiscally who wanted to run in new england. do you want to win or not? by acting like this, what they're actually doing is making sure the next four judges that are appointed to the supreme court will be neil gorsuch. the democratic party needs to wake up. >> what's the difference between historically the successful politicians who, as you say, reflect the culture of their constituencies and the drive that's really been going on for 30 years or more for etiological

period. >> i've been on the road for four days talking to people. one of the first questions is, is there any hope for cooperation, for things actually getting done and not if both sides, but in this case the democrats, are going to enforce an autocratic agenda on their candidates. you're exactly right about red state democrats. when i was growing up in tennessee in the '80s, we had nine congressmen, seven democrats, two republicans, al gore was the senator, jim sasser was the senator. a democratic governor, now it's entirely flipped. it's almost impossible for a democrat to have a plausible chance without having some culture -- >> the national party has been autocratic. gene robinson, big footed candidates that may not go straight down the line. i always tell the story of going to kentucky in 1998, trying to help a republican in a deep red part of kentucky.

steve largent, lindsey graham and i were there. we were going around to republicans who were having a hard time. we go into kentucky. i'm like, why are we landing in this part of kentucky. he's got a strong opponent. i pull the guy aside and ask him the questions, what's your money, what's your message, what message are you driving right now? how is your kbround support? answered all those correctly. okay. let's look at your opinion point. how bad is he on the second amendment? he's pro second amendmentment. i said he's partial birth abortion? no, he's pro life. i looked at him, buddy, you're screwed. because he was economically moderate but socially conservative, and you give a lot of voters in the south the opportunity to vote that way, they'll vote that way. they haven't been given that opportunity there or in nebraska for years. >> the democratic party's problem right now is it's too

small. it doesn't hold enough offices, especially on a state -- on the state level where it just kind of got wiped out, and it lost both houses of congress. if it's going to recover, it's going to do it by getting better and it's going to make a bigger tent. so that means a 50-state strategy. it's certainly a lot more than the sort of bicoastal strategy that it has now. so it's going to have to accommodate different views or at least nuances of views. it doesn't sound like this candidate is totally off the reservation in terms of being pro choice. >> i would say also this requirement for 100% purity is a recipe to be a coastal minority party. if you're not willing to on this one sliver of an issue allow a little leeway for somebody who

might be able to win and put a democrat in that seat, you're not going to win across the country. i would say this 2009 legislation that the mayoral candidate co-sponsored was a compromise legislation. it didn't require women to see the ultrasound, it gave the option to see it if one was offered by a physician. >> i understand. even if he were pro life, even if he were pro gun, if he were progressive on economic issues and if he was connected with the business community, i'm telling you republicans couldn't touch that. that would be -- mark one vote for nancy pelosi as speaker of the house, or mark one vote for chuck schumer and for the next supreme court justice. >> and if you can find a kind of cultural libertarianism as well, that's a fiscal conservatism, a kind of cultural libertarian view is probably a winning strategy there. the other thing to remember is,

when parties are dominant, they're not single issue parties. the party of franklin roosevelt and hairy truman who had the longest sustained period of white house control in american history, was a crazy amal gum of southern segregationalists, western populists. traditionally in american history parties are not one issue. >> in this case people are booing the party. bernie sanders went on the stage and somebody on the stage said, hey, are you here to support the future of the democratic party? people booed. people are not interested, they're interested in finding a new way of doing it. you're seeing a real splintering still, they have not healed this rift between the establishment of the democratic party and the people who are actually really excited. >> moving on now, president

trump is mounting yet another push for health care reform as congress is consumed with the deadline to fund the federal government. the money runs out on saturday, april 29th which also marks the end of trump's first 100 days. multiple outlets report that the white house is pressuring gop leadership to pass a health reform bill before that date. action yos reports a hearing on tax reform has been postponed to focus on health care matters instead. this as new jersey congressman tom macarthur, co-chair of the moderate tuesday group and north carolina mark meadows, chairman of the freedom caucus floated a compromise, an amendment that prohibits denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions, allows dependents to stay on their parent's plan until age 26 and reinstates obamacare essential health benefits, yet also allows states to seek waivers for things like maternity care, hospitalization

and emergency care, and it has bans on covering people with pre-existing conditions can be waived but only if those states participate in a high-risk insurance pool. >> kasie, they have one legislative day to do this. what are they thinking? >> every single time i think we talk about this, the white house has one idea of how things work in congress. they want to be able to claim this big legislative victory -- >> this is all about a false deadline. it's just impossible. if they don't have 216 votes, i don't care how many pieces of paper you put out saying this might be a deal. it's just not going to happen. congress isn't n around, so it's still hard to get a sense of whether or not something like this might do it. from what i can tell, it's likely to not bring along enough moderates. >> the last deadline was an artificial deadline, too. they wanted to have a new bill passed by the anniversary of the signing of obamacare into law.

this is another false deadline, the first 100 days of trump's presidency. >> gene writes in today's "washington post," the gop's latest health care plan is comically bad. he writes house republicans are apparently ready for yet another attempt to snatch health insurance away from constituents who need it. someone should remind speaker paul ryan of a speaker attributed to legendary predecessor sam rayburn, there's no education in the second kick of the mule. having failed ms. rally in the passage of an abomination of a bill, ryan and his minions are back with something work. a draft would attempt to keep parts of obamacare people like but allow states to take these benefits away. we see what you're doing, folks. this is getting silly. what part of forget it do republicans not understand. gene, we put you down as a maybe on this? >> yeah, i'm still looking at it and reserving my options.

this looks and feels like something that was patched together to look and feel like a compromise, but not really to be one that it seems to me is going to satisfy anybody and is certainly not going to get any democratic votes, and the big deal breaker that's still in there in terms of the freedom caucus and the moderates, it's still going to slash medicaid. that was a problem with the moderates. they can't really go along with that and indeed medicaid as you know is like by far the biggest funder of nursing home care in this country, not just for really poor people but middle class people toward the end of their lives. this is not going to go over well with the sort of center of the republican party, and it's just a non-starter with democrats or with the senate. >> it's not going to go over can the senate.

kasie, what are republicans telling you behind the scenes about the white house pushing again, saying you have one day to get it done before you go on your recess because, well, the 100-day anniversary is coming up. >> is it bannon who is calling everyone? what are they saying? >> i think every time i'm talking to leadership and republicans behind the scenes, they're saying stop blowing this up. this is not something that's actually real, not something that's actually going to happen. >> oh really? >> you heard the president yesterday try to temper expectations a little bit. leadership aides are saying no, no, we're in the going to vote on this next week. i do think one thing to watch is how frustrated the white house starts to get with paul ryan, and if there are people inside the white house who are trying to -- starting to say this is a guy who we don't think is doing his job. >> why did the president veer back the health care?

this is like napoleon going, as waterloo is behind, i want to get a better feel for that town, maybe there was a restaurant i missed. >> some croissant. >> yeah, i need a croissant. >> let the record show i did not bring up napoleon. >> but seriously. >> they gave steve bannon health care as well, and i think there's a sense -- >> oh, that's dirty. >> they moved him out of the rose garden press conference and said he's focusing on health care. >> they're setting him up. >> my question is whether he needs a win at this point. >> maybe they've given him a nothing burger or a rock for halloween. >> the white house, they have not put in the proper staff -- >> that's a good one. >> they don't have what it takes -- right now they are not set up, it doesn't seem to me, to push major legislation like this through congress. >> no, no, we get it now.

>> they gave steve bannon -- >> a rock for halloween. >> charlie brown and it's a great pumpkin charlie brown, and all he got was a rock. >> now it makes sense. >> i don't know why they're pushing this. >> because he'll fail and it will finally be the way to get him to leave. >> that's just mischievous. >> oh, really. they would never be mischievous. still on "morning joe," live to paris following yesterday's deadly shooting, just days away from the country's election. news out of egypt. the release of a u.s. aide worker held for three years and the white house is leaning on china to help rein in north korea. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪

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a 30-year-old u.s. citizen is reportedly back on american soil after being held for three years by the egyptian government. according to "the washington post," the trump administration has been working for weeks with the government of president al sisi to free aya hijazi, her husband was released as wealth. their couple and co-workers had been incarcerated since may of 2014 on child abuse and trafficking charges that were widely dismissed by human rights workers and u.s. officials as false. according to "the post," virtually no evidence was ever presented against them. as their hearings were postponed and trial dates canceled, the obama administration was unable to secure their release. >> willie, it was obvious from the very beginning the trump administration was going to take a turn away from obviously iran and start having better relationships with a lot of the sunni arab states, saudi arabia,

egypt and other states, uae, that felt like president obama betrayed them with the iran deal. this is obviously a result of that. >> and with the way they're talking now about the iran deal, that goes a long way with those things as well. good news she's on her way home. as paris remains on high alert, just days before its presidential election, a gunman pulled up beside a parked police car last night before opening fire, killing one officer and wounding two others. officials have not released the name of the suspect who was shot and killed by police while trying to flee on foot, isis released a statement claiming credit for the attack. joining us from paris, nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley. good morning, what's the latest? what more can you tell us on this attacker. >> reporter: thanks, willie, that raid east of paris, actually three members of the attacker's family were

reportedly arrested in that raid. some witnesses here on the chance lee say right to my left saw there was another man in this gray audi that pulled up in front of the building when the gunman got out and shot three police officers. one of them, of course, was killed. two injured, one of them has since been released from the hospital. there's been some confusion about exactly the identity of these attackers and claiming responsibility, islamic state referred to the attacker as el beljiki. but since then we've heard he's actually a french national. if there's a profile for lone wolf attacks in europe, he sooms to fit it. he's a muslim who appears to have been born here in france, a history not only of radical islam but petty crime, arrested recently in february. >> nbc's matt bradley in paris, thanks so much. now to the issue of north korea. in his news conference yesterday alongside the italian prime

minister, the president declined to take a dig at the sanity of north korean dictator kim jong-un. >> do you believe the leader of north korea kim jong-un is mentally unstable, is he a man that can be reasoned with? >> as far as north korea is concerned, we are in very good shape. we're building our military rapidly. a lot of things have happened over the last short period of time. i've been here for approximately 91 days. we're doing a lot of work. we're in very good position. we're going to see what happens. i can't answer your question on stability. i hope the answer is a positive one, not a negative one. >> instead, president trump pifed to to talk about the work china is doing to resolve the north korean crisis, talking about the incentives he gave them. >> i really have confidence that the president will try very

hard. we don't know whether or not they're able to do that, but i have absolute confidence that he will be trying very, very hard. one of the reasons that we're talking about trade deals and we're talking about all of the different things, but we're slowing up a little bit. i actually told him. i said you'll make a much better deal on trade if you get rid of this menace or do something about the menace of north korea. that's what it is, it's a menace right now. i can say that all of the pundits out there are saying they never have seen china work like they're working right now. many coal ships have setback, many other things have happened. unusual moves have been made over the last two or three hours. >> joining us now, columnist for "the daily beast," gordon chang author of "the coming collapse of china" and "nuclear showdown, north korea takes on the world." in washington nbc news national security analyst jeremy bash,

former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense. >> gordon, we showed some articles from china's papers, actually pushing north korea to back down. were you surprised by the tone of those? >> no, we've seen those have many times. >> have we seen those very many times, the chinese telling the north koreans to back down? >> yes, that's consistent. what may be as important is there is now the coal ships that t president trump referred to. nonetheless, remember the chinese announced the ban on the purchase of chinese coal on february 8th. in february, march and april, north korean ships have unloaded coal at chinese ports. china is in an ambivalent position, probably wants to do the right thing but worried about president trump. >> why would china be ambivalent? they know they have a president actually that might move on north korea if they don't?

>> and the coal ban -- the dumping order yesterday i think is a message to china. china gets a lot of benefit from north korea, because everything they do something provocative, we don't talk to china about the things we want to, predator trade practices, south china sea, taiwan, all the rest of it. also we send the high level envoy to beijing and we ask for their cooperation. beijing sees that as a way to get bar danning chips from us. >> isn't that coming to an end? we have seattle possible in strike zone within three years of a nuclear attack from north korea. >> it's coming to an end for us because we now have a new sense of awareness of the problem. for china, they will continue to be cooperative as long as the u.s. continues to apply pressure to china. when we sort of look someplace else, we become distracted by the middle east or whatever, then the chinese are going to go back to their default position which is supporting the north koreans. you have many people in the

military who are supporting their counterparts in the north korean armed forces. >> jeremy bash, what are some of the further levers? we've heard about the coal ships turning around. what other levers does china hold over north korea and why might they be compelled to use them at this moment? >> china also controls the very long land border between north korea and china. customs enforcement, immigration enforcement on that border has historically been very weak. that's something china could crack down upon, basically to reassert their control there. but in general, they have a lot of economic influence in pyongyang. it's not just coal ships. they are essentially the economic lifeline for the regime there. that is a way that they could squeeze the governing elite in the north korean regime, a way to crack down on their access to luxury goods and other things they seek. i thought it was very interesting in the press conference yesterday, the president characterized the situation in north korea as going very well. he said we're happy to report

that things are working out quite nicely. i thought that was a little pollyannaish. almost as if the president is looking for a way out saying, the crisis is defused, i took care of it. i think we're a long way from the crisis being defused. >> jon meacham? >> talk about russia in this. >> russia has always been supportive of chinese policy with regard to north korea. it's interesting russia are sending three trains full of soldiers to their 17-mile border. that's an indication that the russians are also -- as well as the chinese, are militaryizing their border. there are reports coming from u.s. officials that the chinese put their bomber force on high alert with increased maintena e maintenance. we're eventually sending our carl vinson group into the sea of japan. all these countries starting to militarize. putin is going to take a back seat as he traditionally has,

following beijing's lead. >> jeremy bash, i want to ask you how iran plays into all this. there seems to be heightened activity on every foreign policy front, posturing on iran, the president saying they violated the spirit of the agreement. how does that factor? ? >> mika, just the way i said i thought the president seemed like he was looking for a way out of north korea, it seemed like he was looking for a way in to the iran situation, almost muscle in with its prepared and i thought artfully done line saying, yes, they're not violating the letter of the agreement, but they're violating the spirit of the agreement. you take that combined with secretary tillerson's very tough language the day before yesterday on iran, it's clear this administration wants to be much tougher on iran. they seem to be looking for a confrontation on that front. >> jeremy, let me ask you, also -- yesterday somebody called me up and said, hey, why was donald trump restrained in the italian press conference

about europe and also restrained when it came to north korea. do you sense he is understanding now for the first time 90 days in the tremendous weight the words of president carries. >> i will say i think he and the team have handled these summits, senior leader visits very well, with the exception of the merkel vis sit. the visit with si si, bibi, abi. he's standing on a world stage with world leaders. i think he knows that, quote, unquote, acting presidential in that setting redounds to his political benefit here at home. he doesn't want to use those press conferences to make news about wiretapping or say something crazy about a domestic political issue or voter fraud or some of the other things that

have gotten him off track. he knows those forums are to talk about serious national security. what we can't assess is how they're doing on the decision making inside the national security council. i was told the pc within the national security council before the xi jinping visit was 29 minutes. they walked in, they said this is what's going to happen -- there was no real discussion, no thrashing about about how to approach china, how to get china to use its leverage. it was very pro for ma. i don't know if the decision making is that -- >> by all accounts, mika, the meeting with the chinese leaders, with president xi went extraordinarily well wean the two men which is what we've said all along, despite our frustrations, when donald trump gets in the room with somebody, he's usually, unless their last name is merkel, he's usually quite effective in charming them

and figuring out a way to work with them. >> jeremy bash, thank you very much. gordon chang, thank you as well. just ahead, attorney general jeff session gets a history lesson, just a little bit, about america, after seeming to dismiss hawaii as just a, quote, island in the pacific. are you serious? >> jon, you're the historian and won the pulitzer prize. what year did hawaii become a state? >> i think it was '59. >> it's been a while. >> it just happened. >> if i were from alabama, i'd be careful, if i were jeff sessions. >> that's ahead. stay with us. >> it's made official at the white house, president eisenhower congratulates the representatives of hawaii before the ceremony that remake the geography of the yagts adding the 50th state with a land ar

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a lot of people asking where you have been. >> i told everyone he was in a terrible fight. >> you were in a knife fight. >> i was at a trump rally, there was white supremacist, they made comments about my life and cut head. now i'm back and okay. >> how was the surgery, did it go okay? >> it went okay. >> you can't see anything. >> i had a little cancer thing on my head they cut out. i've got this cool scar, that's the story i'm going with. >> now you're saying you have nothing in your head. >> i have nothing. i think it goes with the hgh, bulking up. >> surgery, not. >> i hear it accelerates the growth of that. you said a week or two ago actually, when we were talking on the phone, you were sure o'reilly was going to leave. i said i just wasn't so sure because his ratings were so

high. you called this two weeks ago. >> sunday i texted you and said to you, the article -- "the times" article is done. follow the money, follow the advertisers. the next day one or two would bail. and then every single one would have to go. they had no choice. if you're a company and have women working at your company, you cannot endorse that show, and once the advertisers go, that's it. forget every other discussion about moral imperatives. it doesn't matter if he's got 9 million viewers if there are no ads on the show. >> his viewership actually went up and it doesn't matter. >> doesn't matter. everything you read about fox and the murdochs and the sons, it came down to one thing. if you don't have advertisers paying for stuff, it doesn't matter how many viewers you have. that was that story. that story was done the day that article came out. >> we went around talking about what this meant, not for media so much, as for american politics.

fox news has been the voice of american conservatism in many ways over the past 20 years. the sons obviously want to take fox in a slightly different direction than the father. what do you advise? as a brand person -- you're liberal, right. >> progressive. >> left wing marxist. >> socialist. >> what do you say happening in this market? where do they go now? >> i think they stay in the exact same place. what people don't understand is all those parts are replaceable. there's a predominantly white viewership, red state viewership that wants that information that way. they won't miss a beat. i don't think their tone of voice will chain. they're not going to have anymore glenn becks, the very, very fringe right they stay away from. the populist voice that trump ran on, that's not going away.

>> why not? just plug it in. >> here is another interesting thing i find fascinating, i see bill o'reilly as a mirror many certain ways to donald trump, that donald trump got elected despite bad behavior. it was like no, that's okay. this is a guy in the media we have read now there was many instances of very bad behavior and the bad guy didn't win, they carried him out. i'm not saying they're carrying trump out. i think this is an early statement of, no, we're not a society that behaves this way. what are the implications for a president that has behaved that way. >> jon? >> is this in a way a professional vindication of the ailes strategy, that is, that fox is bigger than any one star, the fox brand? >> look at tucker carlson who is a good guy who basically disappeared from the media map and now he's up there with 3.5 million viewers. megyn kelly, she was their star. she left. i don't know where she went. >> she's here.

>> really? >> she's going to be here. >> good. i didn't know that. >> you need to follow the news. >> guess what? the ratings went up. that's why i never understood why they were paying these people, $15, 20 million a year. it's a utility. they're tuning into the utility to sit in their homes and go, no, the world is as i see it and it's okay. it's ir. meacham, they could put you and i on. >> no, there's a line. >> that's going too far. >> you are right, though. it is a brand that is so much stronger than all of its parts. >> a utility. >> people certainly, where we're from, jon, and middle america, fox executive told me 15 years ago, we really don't care what happens unless it's west of the hudson and east of las vegas. that's what we care about. >> a comfort food utility for the populist america that we've read about, that we've learned

about, that we got educated about. >> that exists. >> do not worry about fox. >> to your point, the show they put on at 9:00, tucker slid to 8:00, was on at 5:00 in the afternoon. huge monster numbers, often their highest rated show, will they slide it four hours later? >> i think that's a very smart move. no ensemble show at night. obviously it's about the personalities, but i think it was a very smart move. it just shows, they went like this, they moved the parts. >> slal commented on this. we're going to have that coming up next. >> as soundsing. >> she took a stand, it was strong. wait until you see this. it was amazing. you could really get it. a very firm opinion on this. we'll also have the latest on her big day at the white house coming up next on "morning joe." look closely.

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should not ever have to put up with any kind of intimidating work space. at the same time, if a woman believes that she is being intimidated and harassed, she needs to stand up and do something up and do something about it, not stick around for a paycheck for years and years and years and after the fact complain about what she went through. >> did you ever witness or experience, god forbid, anything like that at fox? >> i wouldn't put up with anything that would be perceived as intimidating or harassing. >> but you said your former, so was that part of the reason you left? >> um, you can ask them why i'm no longer with fox. you know, i'm not going to speak for them. my contract wasn't renewed. that's -- that's the line. >> i don't want to be a jerk, but it sounds like you experienced something. >> i just -- you know, it was just time to part way. >> wow. okay. >> i don't get that. >> that sounds grand except if

you're a woman, supporting your family and have gone to an anonymous hotline, nothing is happening and you understand the culture. it's ease toy say that somebody else should be brave after the fact. you know this as well as anybody. if you have a paycheck and don't know if you can get your next one it's not always ease toy do that. >> no, it's not. there are ways to get evidence and a lot of these women involved in these suits were getting a paycheck and a big one. but having said that it's culture. it's not just harassment or allegations. some look very serious. some you can't tell. it's not really ours to judge. they were settled. that says a lot right there. >> of course. >> but it's sexual pressure. it's a culture. it's the kinds of people that are drawn to a culture like that that makes for a very bad workplace. >> it's just not always so easy for a woman to take that stand. >> of course not. >> and i think -- >> sounds like it was a mess over there. so it looks like this is a good

shift. and i think women's groups and women are concerned this is just about the money. you pointed out advertisers had to leave because women work there. women are working now and they will not work for a company that won't pull their money. >> exactly. if you're a company and that company advertised in o'reilly, you go, they are endorsing that behavior. every company became vulnerable that advertised on that show. >> it's probably a very positive development. >> very much so. >> sarah palin also explained her visit to the white house and private dinner with president trump, in which she brought ong musicians ted nugent and kid rock. >> president trump called to invite, just to touch base and asked me to get to d.c. and we would be able to chat over dinner and asked if i would invite a couple of friends. >> so you brought kid rock and ted nugent? >> jesus was booked so, yes, i

invited my buddies, kid rock and ted nugent. some bold, courageous, all-american dudes who i knew would have good conversation with the president and get to express a lot of good middle class work ethic type issues and policy proposals that they could all relate to. and that's exactly what happened at the dinner. >> there's an interesting picture of the three of you right next to the portrait of former first lady hillary clinton. >> yeah, yeah. the picture says it all. >> so, you actually, willie geist, glenn thrust did a deep dive in this. >> yes. >> into this white house visit. >> glenn did some reporting into this white house visit. >> news you can't use. i wish we had the theme music to cue up. >> from "new york times." >> an early contender for next year's pulitzer prize with this

story. >> mr. trump extended an invitation to miss palin during the campaign but his staff was surprised when she brought along the musical accompaniment. one read the manifest of visitors and read, quote, who is theodore nugent, which is the way it read in the request. >> all right. all right. >> last word for gene robinson about theodore nugent's night at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> i have so many opinions about so many things about this. i think let that picture speak for sarah and ted and kid rock. >> and kid. >> who, you know -- geez. i fl like i'm back in the '80s. >> does he go by kr is it like kid rock? >> kid rock. real name's bob. >> real name's bob? >> if you're his friend -- >> you're allowed to call him bob. >> okay. coming up, we'll talk to the

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along with historian john meachum and capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. and political reporter for "the washington post" and political analyst, robert costa. big news just -- we're back and donny was showing me inappropriate pictures. >> of what? >> nothing. absolutely nothing. >> you have to give me something. >> it's the top of the hour in just about one minute. >> so i've got a minute, right? >> big news for robert costa, taking over as the new moderator of the pbs political talk show "washington week." congratulations, robert costa. >> nice job, bob. >> i'm watching that one every week. >> we're very proud of you. >> fantastic. >> that's amazing. >> that's a big deal. >> i might just not be mad at him anymore. >> were you mad at him? >> yes. >> only a decade. >> ten years. >> well, you know -- >> no, no, let's just leave it.

>> we can tell the story. >> no. >> bob, had you just gotten out of college? >> first tv show i ever did was "morning joe." >> really? >> before that, we offered bob a job. he said yes, then changed his mind. >> i'm not over it yet. >> mika doesn't get over things for a decade or two. she's like her father. she's gotten over this, bob, because she's proud of you. >> i didn't say i was over it. >> yeah, did you. >> no. >> you said you might be over it. we love having you on the show. don't we, mika? >> yes. >> let's go back for a second. you know, people always come up to me in the streets and go, joe, you know what you're the best at? i say what's that? they say stating the obvious. am i not the master of the obvious? >> then they snap a picture. >> sometimes so obvious that people see it, but they don't really discuss it. >> right. >> so we're going to discuss something that was very obvious. that sarah palin clip, right? i'm not being snide when i say

this. >> let me say it. >> she spoke in complete sentences. over the past five, six, seven years every time she got on tv, she rambled to such a degree -- >> world salad. >> if there were a chopped chain for the english language, sarah palin would be the major franchise owner but she actually -- again, i'm not being snide in the least. the cnn clip with jake tapper, she was all there and was actually -- >> present. >> no, i'm serious. >> it's such a low bar. >> the bar is so unbelievably low. i was waiting for word salad. >> we talked about this for a long time. the sarah palin that came to the stage in 2008 with absolutely no experience. what she did, donny deutsch, we'll go to you as the resident liberal. she went up on the stage and

give her acceptance speech. >> i'll never forget that. a star was born. >> was unbelievable. then we saw this descent. again, she could not speak in coherent sentences. that kind of was the sarah palin that we saw back in 2008. >> if you went back to the news clips that day, that afternoon -- i remember watching and going, wow! this was a new creature that was connecting -- connecting in the way that trump did. was speaking very real. the whole kind of hockey mom thing. it was like whoa. then we watched gibberish start to happen. >> a descent. >> we saw very behind the scenes that she was just unstable in so many different ways and a lot of talk about what was going on in her life. but her eyes were present yesterday. >> she was there. >> and there was a single, coherent thought. even her cadence was different. >> she wasn't being asked much, but still. >> whole different presence. >> word salad usually happens no matter what with her. >> if sarah palin had kept up that sarah palin of that day,

would mccain have been elected? >> i don't think senator mccain, whom i admire greatly, i don't think any republican nominee could have survived the dow and the economic meltdown. >> i think if sarah palin had maintained the course that she did that first week or two -- >> i was fascinated by the concept. >> -- we may have been talking about her as the next candidate. but it never materialized because there were too many -- >> it's interesting, isn't it? >> she started, bob costa -- i hear bob jumping in. then i'll go to you, john. there was really a time she could not speak in complete sentences and what she was saying would be absolutely incoherent. >> when i think about governor palin, i don't really think about her post 2008. that moment that we're all thinking back to was the start of something. 2008, you had governor palin with her celebrity populism,

this confrontational style. that led, in a way, to the tea party movement, anti-establishment movement on the right. and in a lot of ways, it enabled donald trump, who had struggled in 1999 to run for president, teased in 2011 and walked away. palin, with her kind of populism anti-establishment gop, it enabled trump to have a place within the republican party to actually get some traction. >> and john meachum in 2010, when sarah palin went out in the primary and endorsed somebody, more times than not, they won. the current ambassador of the united nations is ambassador of the united nations because she was governor of south carolina. and she was governor of south carolina because sarah palin endorsed her. same with joni earnst. >> one thing to remember, she was not a celebrity at first. in an interesting way, she was governor of alaska. >> breakout star. >> mccain rolls the dice. mavericky, as she might say.

then she becomes reality tv star. interestingly, what we have now is someone who started with reality tv and went into politics. i agree. >> again, the bar. >> the trump parallel. >> i disagree total ly, joe. she energized that campaign coming out of the campaign but she squandered the opportunity she had as a star in the republican party. had she gone back, been an effective governor in alaska, studied up on foreign policy, she did have a shot to become the next nominee and political star. >> a lot of people are saying why are you talking about sarah palin? if you want to know how donald trump happened, that's where to start. >> that's an interesting parallel. we think we've cracked the code here. a rock being given to steve bannon for halloween as congress is consumed with a deadline to fund the federal government also

marks the end of trump's first 100 days. the white house is pressuring gop leadership to pass a health reform bill for that date. axios reports that tax reform hearing has been postponed. >> dogs and cats. >> let's cut straight to it. >> it's a rock. >> bob costa, what's going on here? i was asking ca ining kasie if frustration. what are you hearing? >> my sources said we're moving. we're going to bring this bill up if we can next week. white house cuts a deal with the freedom caucus. my sources on capitol hill in the republican leadership say what are you talking about? we're not hearing that. we don't have the votes for this kind of legislation. there's a real divide. here is what's happening on pennsylvania avenue. trump confidantes are under

immense pressure from the top to get something done on health care before the 100-day mark and paul ryan's allies at capitol hill are saying, whoa, wait a minute. this thing already fell apart. we don't want to bring it to the floor again. >> donald trump just tweeted about the 100-day thing. trump tweeted no matter how much i accomplish during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, and it has been a lot, including supreme court, media will kill. he's calling the 100 days thing ridiculous, but the white house is saying -- >> john meachum, the irony is that no one is focused on their first 100 days since fdr more than donald trump. he is the one that is setting this ridiculous standard. >> you know, as someone who tends to the dramatic gesture, that was a big part of the campaign n 90 days, you will have this. >> on day one. >> and i continue to think it's partly because he thinks in terms of weekly television. >> right.

>> everything is about an episode next week. it's a cliffhanger. one of his tells when he's making something up is that there will be more on that in a week. you know there's nothing there. >> here is my question, joe. why would they want to go -- if they're not going to get the votes why would they want to go anywhere near the health care at this point? you can't own it. move right to tax reform. i don't understand strategically. >> why even go. >> it doesn't make any sense. kasie hunt, why does he go back? >> is there any way it's possible? >> this is like putting your hand on a stove, getting burned, look at it and going, huh. and then doing it again and going huh. presidents keep making this mistake. why hasn't trump learned? >> they still haven't done any of the groundwork either, joe. when democrats actually did pass the aca, they had every single group that you could possibly get interested in this, the

pharmaceutical companies, health insurers. they spent months building a coalition and still barely got it through with only democratic votes and the trump administration has done literally none of that at this point. they were saying before the first push it doesn't matter, we're going to get it through. that is all anybody wants to do. it's not clear to me exactly why they haven't sorted through that. mitch mcconnell is remarkably honest about this, to what donny was just saying. essentially throwing his hands up, saying, look, the democrats are going to own this. he's pretty blunt it's not going to happen. why you would ask members of the house to walk the plank on this if they know it's going nowhere is a little beyond me. >> mitch mcconnell basically said when donald trump was saying we're going to go back and do it again, he was going, oh, that's so cute. mitch mcconnell has been straightforward. bob costa, again, the thing that shocks me -- it's got to shock

people at the capitol -- is that they've done absolutely no groundwork on this. they haven't held committee meetings. they tried to cram something through. they tried to make these back room deals. and it impacts one-sixth of the economy. why can't anybody tell donald trump, this is not going to happen and you're just going to keep embarrassing yourself? >> something i picked up in my reporting that's pretty intriguing on a political point. house republicans right now can't pass anything on health care in the public narrative, based on my reporting, republicans feel like they can bed for not getting rid of obamacare. their whole point, in some ways, in some corners of the house is to get it out of the senate and it goes to where they can run against senate democrats in 2018

for stopping the bill. they want to get legislation out of the house. >> i don't know how this -- there's no way this can happen. how is this not seen as giving steve bannon another failure so they can get him out the door? no one is saying this can happen. >> so many people would lose their health care that the very people elected -- >> seems like a waste of time. >> lose/lose either way. >> white house correspondent for the hill, jordan fabian asked the president yesterday what's more important on him, vote on health care or vote to keep the government open? jordan joins us now. what was his answer? >> mika, he wants both. that's what he said. he wants both. that's the sense of donald trump right there. he wants the wins on everything. as we've been talking about this whole time, the calendar, practical realities of getting both things done next week is very hard. i'm not going to say impossible but very, very difficult. there's not even agreement right now on a bill to keep the

government open. and there's been some really intense negotiations behind the scenes over things like border wall funding and funding for sanctuary cities. that's not even a settled matter. then you're talking about adding major health care bill on top of that all in the next week. it will be a very difficult uphill climb for president trump and republicans. >> bob costa, is the government going to shut down? >> no. based on my reporting they'll come back to washington and pass some short-term funding bill as they get their act together. there's no deal on the long-term spending package. but they can delay the shutdown by having a piece of legislation to get them through. >> i want to throw out that arguably all this trouble about trying to repeal and replace affirms the importance. i remember sitting here in 2012 when john roberts wrote the opinion upholding the tax provision of obamacare.

once you introduce a benefit, even if it represents benefits to a somewhat limited number of people, it is incredibly difficult in the american political culture to ever take it away. >> the biggest problem, willie, between the house and senate of whether this passes or not, anything that guts the medicaid provisions of this law will never -- and i mean ever -- get through the united states senate. that is just -- write it down. so they're just playing with themselves in the house, playing sort of intermural ball if they're trying to pass anything that guts the medicaid part. >> which was the case a month ago. house was having this conversation and senators would say this isn't going to pass the senate. jordan, this compromise they're talking about, it keeps the essential health benefits but allows states a waiver on health benefits.

effectively they're saying yes, we're going to keep it, unless you don't want to keep it. >> right. you talk to folks like congressman donaldson from new york, who we spoke to yesterday. he said this is just a wolf in sheep's clothing. they're essentially stripping out the health benefits because states governed by republicans can say we don't want to do it. it's driving up premiums too high. there are a lot of loopholes. you're tweaking the language a little bit but the fundamental problem for a lot of lawmakers is still there. >> political play book points out this fact. not one person in the senior leadership white house who has passed a bill in congress. not one. >> that's literally, bob costa, like winning a bid to build a 90-story skyscraper in new york city and not having one person in management that's ever built

a building before. where is their mcmaster for domestic policy, who actually understands the house, who understands the senate and understands -- >> relationships. >> -- between the two. >> mark short has the most experience on legislation, adviser so vice president pence. of course, the vice president is pretty occupied with foreign policy and his foreign trip. the challenge for congressional leaders, joe -- i'm sure you would understand this as a former member. congress members feel like the white house -- many whom i've spoken to -- is conducting its own negotiations with the freedom caucus thinking that ryan and mcconnell can't be counted on to close the deal. the white house doesn't have these deep ties to congress and the freedom caucus. as much as they give the freedom caucus what they want on health

care, no matter how much you go to the right you lose some votes in the center. can whatever the white house ends up doing on health care pass because they don't understand in the house's view where the votes are and what the whip count is. >> the question is, and like we asked when is the president going to learn that you can't attack the intel community, that you can't savage the press, that you can't fight all these institutions that will fight you back? when is the president going to understand he needs to pick up the phone and call mitch mcconnell and say, mr. majority leader, i need to pass a bill through the senate. how do i do it? >> joe, you said many times every outsider comes to washington and says i'm going to play outside ball. i don't need the inside. and they get swallowed up. >> they always lose. >> it's that simple. you literally have said that 100 times and you're watching it happen right now. >> for donald trump, this would

be, mika, like a guy that developed buildings in omaha coming to new york city one day and going, i'm going to build skyscrapers in new york, but i'm not going to play by manhattan's rules. screw the mayor. screw the unions. screw the building authorities. >> the codes. >> screw everybody. screw the codes. screw everybody. i'm going to do it my own way and i'm going to build the biggest skyscrapers in new york city history. and i'm not going to -- the hell with the mayor, the hell with the papers. to hell with the times and the unions -- what would happen to that guy? what would happen to that guy? >> i think we're watching. >> we're watching. the same thing happening in washington, d.c. from a guy who thinks that he can reset the rules of a town that has lived by a set of rules for 240 years.

you can't do it. madison and hamiltohamilton, joy knew what they were doing and they built a constitution that can withstand anybody thinking they can do an end run around us. >> don't bore us. >> mika is upset that -- >> you cannot bring up martin van buren, french and indian war or -- >> shades rebellion. >> stay away from. >> exactly. and my question is, here we have someone who prides himself on dealing with his pragmatism? if he wanted to master the new york media and new york tabloid world he hired roy cohn. >> jared's never been down to washington, ivanka hasn't been down to washington. they don't know washington just

like i don't know development in new york city. >> if you want to do a panel they're great. >> i can tell you this. if i were going to build a 90-story skyscraper, i would get the smartest people, the best lobbyists, the best architects, the best builders and i would bring them in and say i need to build a -- i know nothing about this. you guys are the experts. >> talk to me. >> what's the first thing i need to do? >> not his management style. those three or four guys he has surrounded himself with on foreign policy -- >> he has done it on foreign policy. >> and take that into domestic policy. >> bob costa, why can't he do that in domestic policy? >> i think there are influential names around. >> that's all to his credit. he has selected them. why won't he select something like that on domestic policy? >> it's the question, joe.

here is the name to watch. house majority leader kevin mccarthy. paul ryan is the house speaker. they have a relationship with the white house. so does mcconnell, majority leader. i'm told from people at the white house and the hill that mccarthy has been able to build a rapport with trump. it's not always easy, lawmakers said. mccarthy, who helped to recruit these younger members in 2010, tells the president stories about members in almost an lbj style. what's the way to get this guy or this woman? how do you bring people along? i'm told mccarthy, more than anyone right now, is trying to guide the president through this jungle of the u.s. house. >> i love the house. i don't know if i've told you guys. i was once a member of the house. >> oh, my lord. >> really? >> yes, he was in congress. >> here is the deal. get somebody from the senate. get somebody -- pass the bill through the senate first.

then pass it through the house will be easy. >> always go through the senate first. >> get you a senator who knows how to get 51 vote. >> like who? who would it snb. >> i don't know. >> let me think. >> closest to david purdue of georgia, but he as not in the leadership. >> no. >> get a retired member, like trent lott, who worked for daschle. i'm not saying he will. who knows. somebody like that, trent lott, former majority leader who actually dealt with tom daschle around the clock and figured out how to pass things. that's what he needs. >> we have to go to break. >> i know. >> the hill's jordan fabian, thank you so much. robert costa, thank you as well. congratulations again. new moderator of pbs political talk show "washington week." >> when do you debut?

>> tonight at 8:00. >> they throw him right into -- >> really? don't get nervous, bob. >> i think we should kick it off tonight, buddy. >> what? >> may be a little bit of competition. willie and i are doing a live action reading of the federalist paper. >> why do you have to do that tonight? >> i'm sorry, man. i didn't know. >> it's on periscope and will be very exciting. >> willie just wants to read the john j. but i'll do madison. >> that's so hot. >> still ahead big national security stories to get to. terror attacks in paris. new moves from the u.s. in anticipation of another north korean nuclear test. and is iran holding up its end of the 2015 nuclear deal or not? we'll talk to a member of george w. bush's national security council. plus one of the president's most vocal critics, congresswoman maxine waters and later congressman elijah

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i'm gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. as far as iran is concerned i think they are doing a tremendous disservice to an agreement that was signed. it was a terrible agreement. it shouldn't have been signed. it shouldn't have been negotiated the way it was negotiated. i'm all for agreements but that was a bad one as bad as i've seen negotiated. they are not living up to the spirit of the agreement, i can tell you that. and we're analyzing it very, very carefully and we'll have something to say about it in the not too distant future. iran has not lived up to the spirit of the agreement. >> those comments from the president yesterday, coming two days after the state department informed congress that the iranians were compliant with the nuclear deal so far. joining us now, senior national

security analyst for nbc news and the chairman and co-founder of the financial integrity network. good to have you back on the show. >> good to be here. thank you. >> how has the spirit of the deal been violated? >> iranians technically have complied with the nuclear elements of the deal. you also had elements of the ballistic missile program and iranians have certainly been testing ballistic missiles in violation of u.n. sanctions, outside of the bounds of what was the spirit of the deal to constraining that part of the program. in addition the president is talking about the iranians have been provocative. the sense was this deal was supposed to be the moment of reproac reproachmant where they would come back into the fold of the international community. terrorists, militia proxies and more provocative in terms of its

neighborhood. being violative of sovereignty in bahrain. there is the spirit of the deal both within it and outside of it that the u.s. has to worry about. >> didn't president obama tell us in real time -- i've been opposed to the deal vocally from the beginning. didn't president obama tell us in real time this is not going to transform iran as a country. they're not going to become responsible members of the international community. this is all about containing their nuclear program. >> that's right. and i think that was the principle goal of the deal. slow it so it doesn't have the capability to have nuclear breakout. the challenge, of course, is are the iranians slowly creeping toward that capability anyway? what president trump is talking about is this is a deal that, in some ways, allows iranians to

creep toward that capability. >> in what way, though? if they're bad actors in their neighborhood, that barack obama would say, that's completely independent of the deal we struck. it has nothing to do with the deal we struck. if they're violating a ballistic missile treaty with the united nations, take it up with the united nations. this is to stop their nuclear program from advancing. >> you're right, joe, and that was the intent, to confine negotiations around that. the hope was two-fold. one, they included the ballistic missile element. after the three-year mark, five-year mark, sanctions would be lifted. so you included the ballistic missiles. i think there was a hope, even though there was an attempt to confine this just to the nuclear issue, there was a hope that it would spur the movement and encourage president rohani.

there was a sense maybe this would leave to different behavior on the part of the iranians and you've seen with president trump's early tweets, iran should be behaving themselves, should be grateful for what's happening. president trump is trying to reflect that disappointment that the iranians continue to be provocative. >> juan, do you think the trump white house is actually prepared to rip this deal up as donald trump promised during the campaign? i'll rip it up on day one. tough talk from secretary of state tillerson, add that in. if they do, is that not a big win for iran? they've got sanctions relieved and if you walk away they can resume their nuclear program. >> a lot of it was front loaded, not all of it, but some of it. we did this in concert with other friends and allies and to pull out the deal affects the french, british, chinese,

russians. to do that is very difficult. i think the other challenge here is the u.s. wants to, no doubt, enforce the deal but it wants to find a way of pressuring outside the deal. i think that's what president trump will look to do. i don't think they're going to tear up the deal. one thing to think about, is this like an arms deal of the past where you can say this say long-term deal? over time it needs to be renegotiated or modified over time and a lot of critics of the deal have talked about. are there ways of improving it? can you improve some of the inspection division? is this a different way of thinking about the deal? not a one-stop. new york giants quarterback eli manning shows his coolness in the pocket after getting

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if you may have heard, new york giants quarterback eli manning is denying allegations of memorabilia fraud. pressing the giants in a civil racketeering suit, specifically an e-mail sent from eli to equipment manager asking for, quote, helmets that can pass as game used. >> is that bad? can you not do that? >> the story even got criticism from new jersey governor chris christie, who called manning a liar. >> wow. >> a what? >> eli. >> listen to the statement that his lawyers representative put out yesterday. you want to talk about a politician's nonanswer. the e-mail was taken out of context? >> what's the context? >> it looks like it's a pretty complete back and forth. by the way, they presumably have possession of all the e-mails

that represent eli. if it's out of context, put it in context where eli says just joking. haha. >> i've never done what i'm accused of doing. i have no reason nor have i ever had any reason to do anything of that nature. i have nothing to hide and when it's all done everyone will see it that way. >> what about governor christie calling you a liar? >> i can't get concerned with that. my track record speaks for itself. so does the giants, their history and their history of doing things the right way speaks for itself. >> my goodness gracious. >> eli man something a classy guy. >> class. >> he didn't say some of the things that he woulde wanted to say. >> joe, what would you have said? >> no, no. >> willie, what would you have said? >> let's talk about chris

christie. this is the same top gun where maverick has to punch out. punches out and like -- he's punched out. >> giants sweatshirt on. >> big media job. >> punched out of the governorship. >> stay tuned. >> i know what he's doing. >> i'm happy for him. >> and i read an article about him, actually, going around the state, working pretty hard on his opioid crisis. >> great on that. >> that's how he's going to spend his last year. no doubt, he may be looking ahead. >> yeah, as he should. >> looking ahead -- yeah. >> okay. no, i know. i'll explain, kasie. >> he knows sports. >> he's going to be in media. >> up next -- >> he could be a fox guy. >> jason chaffetz, we haven't talked about -- incredibly explicit about why he's leaving. i want to shop the market. talking like an nba free agent. >> like mika.

>> knowing value? >> i think christie could be fox guy. he's built for cable tv. everything about him. pugnacious character. larger than life. media personality. >> he's also got a good relationship with the president of the united states, somebody that fox news might want to have on its show, you would think. >> chris christie. >> yeah. >> the woman elle magazine calls the millennials' political rock star. maxine waters joins us about her battle with the trump administration. pick any one you want. the california congresswoman joins us next. ♪

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president -- >> reporter: hold on. i just have to ask.

>> please don't. >> have we just confirmed that he is the worst person in the world? >> i'm ready to say it. >> donny deutsch, worst person in the world. >> regale you guys with -- >> my mother is constantly asking whether i think you're a nice guy. >> and your response is? >> you've heard this conversation and your answer is -- >> nope. well -- i feel bad now. >> but you can't say -- >> you have to be unequivocal, kasie. the answer is no. >> let me ask you about that guy running down in georgia. >> i want to get to maxine. >> warren beatty's -- ossoff. does he have a personality at all? >> i had trouble getting him to show it when we had our conversation, which we talked about yesterday. >> speaking of georgia -- >> what about georgia? >> joining us now from atlanta.

>> atlanta. >> democratic congresswoman maxine waters of california. >> maxine, maxine. >> we're so excited to have you on. >> you let me down so terribly, maxine. i went to donald trump's speech and i was sitting next to elijah and kept looking, where is maxine? where is maxine? and elijah said, well, maxine thought that it might be best if she just stay home tonight. i'll see you next time. >> that's true. i missed you. they told me you asked about me. how are you doing, mika? >> okay. >> how are you doing, joe? no, i wasn't at the inauguration speech. and i've not been at any of the ceremonial activities with this president. >> and the reason why wasn't a sign of disrespect. from what i heard, you said that you wanted to be respectful and that you might get a little emotional and might shout something out. >> no, no, no, no. it's not that.

i just -- i don't honor him. i don't respect this president. i don't think that he deserves to be president of this great country. i am very concerned about him. and i really think he's dangerous. and, joe, i don't know if you've seen the six-part series that the "l.a. times" wrote about him. it is scathing. i've never seen editorials like this before in my life. and so, you know, we continue to talk about him as if this is normal. mika, that is abnormal, what we're experiencing with this president. and i have taken him on, as you know. and the millennials have joined me. and so i continue to talk about his ties to russia and what i think all of that means. and, as you know, i've continued to talk about, i believe if we have the incredible investigations that it will lead to his impeachment. i believe that. >> let me ask you this, maxine.

elijah cummings says if he can find common ground with the president, he will work with him. in fact, he has been talking to the president about reducing drug prices and making pharmaceutical companies actually negotiate with the government. would you be willing, if you found common ground with the president, on issues like that, to work with him? >> well, i don't know how you find common ground with someone you absolutely do not trust. i started to watch him very closely during the campaign season. and when he mimicked and mocked a disabled journalist, i had never seen anything like that before. i thought it was the most outrageous thing for someone running for the president of the united states of america, a mature, grown man to do that. and, of course, when we heard about how he talked about women, grabbing them by their private parts, et cetera, et cetera. and the way that he simply makes

allegations and charges -- for example, he said china was currency manipulators and next day or so, he decided, after meeting with president xi, oh, no, they're not currency manipulators. he does that from time to time. he goes on and on with challenging, charging. and then when he changes his mind then it's not true anymore. i don't trust him. i don't think i can work with him. matter of fact, i'm so worried about what his connections are with putin and the kremlin and those oligarches in russia. i'm so worried about tillerson and whether or not tillerson is there to help mainly get these sanctions lifted so that trump and all his allies and friends who are all around him, involved in oil and gas and wanting these sanctions lifted -- i'm so concerned that's their main goal and this is what they want to do to continue to enrich

themselves. and so i don't trust him. i'm not going to be able to work with him. i'm going to really press ges getting these investigations done, to find out who he really is and what this all about. if we're able to connect the dots, if we're able to absolutely get the facts that show that there was collusion with his campaign and with this president and russia, then he deserves to be impeached. i think a lot of people standing with him will have to move away from him. >> are there our members of congress taking a hard line like you? >> most members of congress are not involved in the investigations and doing their own research and following up on leads. i am. we hope that the intelligence committees will do that but i don't really have any faith in the house intelligence committee

because nunes just discredited himself. even though he's talking about recusal, he's still going to be sitting on the committee. i have more faith in the senate committee because i think john mccain and lindsey graham really have you know, to repay him for the way they were treated during the campaign. john mccain was dismissed as not being credible, talked about -- the president said he didn't even like prisoners of war. he's an icon and someone that's highly respected. i disagree with him on a lot of issues but i really respect the fact that he was a prisoner of war who suffered under seven years or so. >> i don't think he's forgotten how he was treated. >> congresswoman, kasie hunt, you say you don't want to work with the president at all. the congress has to raise the

debt kreceiling. will you vote this time to raise the debt ceiling? >> absolutely. our government must function. we must function in ways that absolutely make -- >> you don't view that as cooperating with the president? >> no i don't, i see that as a consistent way by which i support our government and work we have to do. >> donny deutsche, i want to push back a little bit as somebody who worries about the democratic party. i get concerned when a member of the house comes up -- reality is he's our president and if he's impeached, he's impeached but today and the next day, i don't know if you're acting in the best interest of the constituents of the democratic party and saying we know the history of the grabbing of genitalia but he's our commander in chief and things have to get done in the country. to me i don't want to hear a member of my party, to say there's no way i'm working with

him on anything. i don't think that's good for the party or country. and i just don't think that's living in reality? >> well, of course, maybe you are not as offended as some of us are -- >> i'm very offended but there's a reality -- >> but the reality is, there are those of you who keep talking about he's going to pivot and become presidential. when is that going to happen? just the other day with bill o'reilly, he stood up for him when bill o'reilly had been shown to have made settlement -- >> how do you know about all of those things and he's sitting in the office and you are a member of congress that has to work, whether it's voting against or whatever it is, just to say, to deny he's our president and i'm not doing any business with him i don't think is in the best interest of your constituents. >> i do think it's in the best interest of my constituents. i think he's dangerous. i think he's not a credible leader of this country. i think he's treated our allies badly. i think others from across the

sea, across the waters are looking at us and saying, what's wrong with us, with the man who treats his allies this badly, with the man who changes his mind from day to day, with the man who often does not know what he's talking about. he cannot be trusted and even though you may think it's not in the best interest of my constituents, i think it's in the best interest of my constituents to get rid of him. >> maxine walters, good to see you this morning. how is your posture different than the posture mitch mcconnell took towards barack obama, when he said the goal is to make president obama a one term president. aren't there issues you can work with donald trump, veterans benefits, in other words saying flatly i won't work with this president, doesn't that preclude you from doing good things for people in america? >> no, it does not.

i do not know what the president means when he talks to any of these issues, alludes to wanting to repair the infrastructure, there is no program to do that. i don't know what he's talking about. when he talks about tax reform, he's not credible. he's not shown his own tax returns. how can he be the leader talking about tax reform and trying to make americans believe that somehow that he is going to do the right thing by the average citizen. here's a man that many of us don't believe have paid his taxes. he showed us a 2005 tax return and tried to make us believe this would be consistent with what he's been doing. he's lied about being under audit and we've gone through the last day of this tax season and he still is refusing to show his tax returns. no i don't, feel comfortable working with him and american people increasingly are going to see he doesn't live up to his

promises. something is terribly wrong with this president and we can't treat it as normal. >> thank you very much. good to have you back on the show. >> thank you. >> just ahead we're going to speak live with the afo aforementioned elijah cummings and more inside the battle inside the democratic party. why keith ellison is laying blame for the election losses at the feet of president obama. >> isn't that something? >> "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ it's not a quick fix.

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welcome back. it's friday, april 21st, 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. we have with us john meachum and nbc capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt and associate editor of the "washington post," eugene robinson. bernie sanders continues to draw big crowds, 2,000 in texas and 6,000 more in omaha, nebraska. he drove home the message of rebuilding the democratic party saying done 58d trump didn't win, that democrats lost. with him was keith ellison of the dnc, ellison is turning heads saying that while president obama was getting himself elected he left the party in need of serious repair. >> i'm a great fan of the president obama.

i'm totally voted for many things that he supported. dodd frank, fair pay act, i can keep going, wonderful achievements, but barack obama could have been a better party leader. and i think that the fact that he wasn't has put his legacy in jeopardy. i mean injure legacy is not a building that he's going to construct in chicago housing his presidential papers. his legacy is the work he has done, which i believe is tremendous. but, given that we did not -- we lost a lot of statehouse seats, governorships, secretaries of states, his true legacy is in danger and i think he can't say it wasn't -- he wasn't part of those losses. i mean, who else? >> then there's this about bernie sanders and keith ellison at that rally in omaha. they went there in support of

mayoral candidate heath mellow, running as the first middle class mayor in a generation, his record on abortion has liberal groups abandoning him. at issue, a 2009 state senate bill that he sponsored requiring women to be informed of their right to request an ultrasound before having an abortion. a pro-choice group called the dnc's backing of mello politically stupid. daily cost withdrew its endorsement as well and joan walsh of the nation who saw a lack of support for sanders in a georgia special election, tweeted, bye-bye bernie, maybe it's okay dising ossoff and endorsing this, nah. dnc chair tom perez issued a statement reiterating support for women's right to make their own choices while adding our job at the dnc is to help democrats who have garnered support from voters in the community to cross

the finish line -- >> that's a lot of reading just to get to this. that is a lot of reading just to get to democrats once again have speakers of the house and have majority leaders or are they going to get a guy, 100% rating with planned parenthood. >> the little mayor. >> you don't have to call anybody lels than 50 years old little. >> i'm just saying did. >> i was talking to -- who was i talking to yesterday onset, who said if you want to pick the perfect candidate to win in tennessee, in nebraska, in red states, you get a democratic mayor who's liked in the business community and cultural aligned with the district where he's running. this guy -- may not even be culturally aligned, they are going back eight years ago and

he agreed to a bill that a doctor could tell a woman she had a right to an you ultrasound. and for that they are blowing up the party? these are not people that want to be in charge of the house and senate again. we've been asking this question over and over and over again to democratic leaders, if somebody is from tennessee, and they are progressive on economic issues but pro-life and pro gun, can you support them? no, oh, no. >> that's what i'd say to republicans who wouldn't support a pro-choice candidate who was conservative fiscally and wanted to run in new england. do you want to win or not? and by acting like this, what they are actually doing is making sure that the next four judges that are appointed to the supreme court will be neil gorsuch, short sided and stupid and democratic party needs to wake up. >> what's the difference between historically the successful politicians who as you say reflect the culture of their

constituencies and the drive that's really been going on for 30 years or more for idealogical peering? i've been on the road three days talking to people and one of the first questions always, is there any hope for cooperation? is there any hope for things actually getting done? and not if both sides but in this case the democrats are going to enforce an auto cratic agenda. you're right about red state democrats, when i was growing up in tennessee in the '80s, al gore was the senator, jim sas was the governor and now it's entirely flipped and almost impossible for a democrat to have a plausible chance without having -- >> because the national party has been autocratic and gene robinson they big footed candidates that may not go straight down the line. i always tell the story of going

to kentucky in 1998, trying to help a republican and deep red part of kentucky and lindsey graham and i were there and going around to republicans who were having a hard time. we go into kentucky and i'm like, why are we landing in this part of kentucky? i pulled the guy aside, what's your money, what's your message, what message are you driving right now? how's your ground support? answered those all correctly. let's look at your opponent. how bad is he on the second amendment? oh, he's pro second amendment. but on pro-choice -- partial bish birth abortion? he's pro-life. buddy, you're screwed because he was economically moderate, but he was socially conservative and you give a lot of voters in the south the opportunity to vote that way, they'll vote that way

but they haven't been given that opportunity. they are in nebraska for years. >> yeah, this -- look, the democratic party's problem is it's too small. it doesn't hold enough offices especially on the state and level where it just kind of got wiped out and lost both in congress. if it's going to recover, it's going to do it by getting bigger and it's going to make a bigger -- so that means about 50 state strategy, certainly more than the bicoastal strategy it has now and it's going to have to accommodate different views and or at least nuances of views. and you know, doesn't sound like this candidate is totally, you know, off the reservation in terms of being pro-choice, so you know -- >> i would say this requirement for 100% purity is a recipe to be a coastal minority party.

if you're not willing to on this one sliver of an issue allow a little bit of leeway for someone who might be able to win and put a democrat in the seat, you're not going to win across the country. i would say this 2009 legislation that the mayoral candidate co-sponsored was a compromise legislation and didn't require women to see the ultrasound but gave the option if one was offered by a physician. >> i understand. but even if he were pro-life, even if he were pro-gun, if he were progressive on -- if he was progressive on economic issues and if he was connected with the business community, i'm telling you, republicans couldn't touch that. this -- that would be mark one vote for nancy pelosi, speaker of the house or mark one vote for chuck schumer and for the next supreme court justice. >> and if you can find the kind of cultural libertarianism as

well, fiscal conservatisconserv libertarian view is probably a winning strategy there. the other thing to remember, when parties are dominant, they are not single issue parties. the party of franklin roosevelt and harry truman, longest sustained periods of white house control in american history was a crazily amall gam of southern and northeastern liberals and historically parties are not one issue. >> in this case they are booing the party and bernie sanders went on the stage and somebody on the stage said rrntd you here to support the future of the democratic party and the crowd booed. they are interested in finding new things and crossing new lines and people are frankly over it. i think what you talked about in the beginning with the groups focused on abortion, you're seeing a real splintering still,

they have not healed the rift between the people who are actually excited. >> still ahead, the trump administration gets a second opinion on health care despite reports of a deal between the freedom kak caucus and tuesday group, dedoubts remains. will terror attacks in paris up-end elections. we'll be right back. at angie's e

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president trump is mounting yet another push for health kash recare reform as congress is consumed with the deadline to fund the federal government. the money runs out on saturday, april 29th, which also marks the end of trump's first 100 days. multiple outlets report that the white house is pressuring gop leadership to pass a health reform bill before that date. a hearing on tax reform has been postponed to focus on health

care matters instead. this as new jersey congressman tom mcarthur, co-chair of the moderate tuesday group and north carolina mark meadows, chair of the freedom caucus, floated a compromise, an amendment that prohibitsial of coverage due to preexting conditions and allows dependents to stay on their parents plan until age 26 and reinstates obamacare essential health benefits, yet it also allows states so seek waivers from maternity care, hospitalization and emergency care. and it has bans on covering people with preexisting conditions can be waived but only if those states participate in a high risk insurance pool. >> what are they thinking? >> they have one legislative day to do this. what are they thinking? >> honestly, every single time we talk about this, the white house has one idea how things work in congress and want to be able to claim this big

legislative victory in the first 100 days. >> this is all about a false deadline. >> it's just impossible. if they don't have 216 votes, i don't care how many pieces of paper you put out, it's not going to happen. congress isn't around so whether or not something like this might do it. from what i can tell, it's likely not going to bring enough moderates -- >> the last deadline was an artificial deadline too. they wanted a new bill passed by the anniversary of the signing of obamacare into law. this is another false deadline. >> unbelievable, one sixth of the economy for false -- >> gene writesn the "washington post" that the gop' latest health care plan is comically bad. house republicans are apparently ready for another attempt to snatch health insurance away from constituents who need it. someone should remind paul ryan of a saying attributed to sam

ray burn, there's no education in the second kuick of the mule. ryan and minions are back with something even worse, a draft framework being circulated this week would pretend to keep parts of obamacare people like and allow states to take these benefits away. we see what you're doing, folks, this is silly. what part of forget it do republicans not understand. gene, we'll put you down as a maybe on this? >> i'm still looking at it and reserving my options. no, look, this looks and feels like something that was patched together to again look and feel like a compromise but not really to be one that it seems to me would satisfy anybody, not going to get any democratic votes and the big deal breaker that's still in there in terms of freedom caucus for moderates is it's still going to slash medicaid. and that was a problem with

moderates, they can't really go along with that and indeed medicaid as you know is like by far the biggest funder of nursing home care in this country, not just for really poor people but middle class people towards the end of their lives. this is not going to go over well with the sort of center of the republican party and it's just a not starter with democrats or the senate. >> it's not going to go over with the senate. kasie what are republicans saying about the white house pushing again, we have one day to get it done before you go on recess because well, the 100 day anniversary is coming up. >> is it bannon calling everyone? what are they saying? >> i think that every time i'm talking to leadership and republicans behind the scenes they are saying, stop blowing this up.

this is not something actually real and actually going to happen. this is -- i mean, you heard the president yesterday try to temper expert akss a little bit. leadership saying we're not going to vote on this next week. i do think one thing to watch is how frustrated the white house starts to get with paul ryan and if there are people inside the white house who are trying to starting to say, this is a guy who we don't think is doing his job. >> why did the president fear back the health care? this is like napoleon, maybe there was a restaurant that i missed. >> too soon. >> i need a krois sant, going back to waterloo. >> let the record show i did not bring up napoleon. >> i brought it up. seriously. >> they gave steve bannon health

care as well -- >> remember that. >> moved him out of the rose garden press conference and said he's focusing on health care -- >> oh, wow. >> pushing this back? >> whether he needs a win at this point. >> given him a -- over a rock -- >> the white house have not put in the proper staff -- >> that's a good one. >> they don't have what it takes. they are not set up, it does not seem to me to push major legislation through congress. >> coming up, france is reeling from a deadly shooting claimed by isis just days before voters head to the polls. we'll go to paris for an update in the investigation and what officials there are saying today. "morning joe" is back in just a moment.

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a 30-year-old u.s. citizen is reportedly back on american soil after being held for three years by the egyptian government. according to the "washington post," the trump administration has been working for weeks with the government of president al sisi, her husband was released as well. the couple and co-workers had been incarcerated since may of 2014 on child abuse and

trafficking charges that were widely dismissed by human rights workers and u.s. officials as false. according to the post, virtually no evidence was ever presented against them. as their hearings were postponed and trial dates canceled. the obama administration was unable to secure their release. >> and willie, it was pretty obvious from the very beginning, the trump administration was going to take a turn away from obviously iran and start having better relationships with a lot of the sunni-arab states, saudi arabia and egypt and uae that felt that president obama had betrayed them with the iran deal. this is obviously a result of that. >> yeah and with the way they are talking now about the iran deal that goes a long way with those countries as well. good news she's on her way home. we're getting new die tails about yesterday's deadly

shooting in paris as the kupt e remains on high alert. a gunman parked aside a police car killing one officer and wounding two others. joining us from paris, matt bradley. what more can you tell us on this attacker? >> reporter: in the last couple of hours, police released the name of the slain perpetrator of the attack. kareem surfi, killed and attacked a police officer and wounded three others, two of them police officers and one a german tourist. the manhunt for another perpetrator has been expanding, there's a lot of confusion about the identity of who were the people behind this. his home east of paris was raided in three of the family members arrested last flight but some witnesses say there was another man in the gray audi that pulled up in front of the police officers before the crime was committed. people are looking for him now.

if there is a profile for one of these attackers, kareem would seem to fit it. a french national, muslim, born and raised in this country and he doesn't seem to have a history of islamic extremism but one of petty crime. he was jailed for ten years for attacking a police officer and police had him within their grasp just in february for threatening to kill police officers but they let him go. willie? >> nbc's matt bradley in paris this morning. thanks so much. >> coming up on "morning joe", elijah cummings joins the conversation. we'll be right back on "morning joe."

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welcome back, attorney jeff sessions dismissed hawaii as an island in the pacific. here is sessions on the show earlier this week talking about the ha why even federal judge who halted the president's revised travel ban.

>> this is a huge matter. i really am amaze the that a judge sitting on an island on the pacific can issue an order that what appears to be clearly a statutory and constitutional powers. >> doug chin responded saying president trump previously called a federal judge in california a so-called judge. now u.s. attorney general sessions appears to dismiss a federal judge in hawaii as just a judge sitting on a island in the pacific. the two senators fired back, mr. attorney general, you voted for that judge and that island is called oahu have some respect. the justice department office looked to clarify the attorney general's remark e-mailing a statement that reads, hawaii is an island in the pacific, a beautiful one where the attorney general's granddaughter was born. the point is there's a flawed -- problem when a flawed opinion by

a single judge can block the lawful exercise to keep the entire country safe. >> wow, okay. are we over reacting or is that kind of lame what he said, sessions? >> he was trying to marginalize. >> don't marginalize hawaii. >> it's a state. >> america. >> joining us from baltimore, the ranking member of the committee on oversight and government reform, elijah cummings of maryland. great to have you back on the show, good to see you. >> she feels that during the campaign he said things that weren't true and this is continued now into his first 100 days of the presidency and even if you could potentially work with him on something, you can't trust him. we actually have that. take a listen. >> elijah cummings says that if

he can find things -- find common ground with the president, he'll work with him. >> would you be willing if you found common ground with the president on the issues like that to work with him? >> well, i don't know how you finds common ground with someone you absolutely do not trust. >> so elijah, what do you make of that. >> first of all, maxine waters is my friend and i understand what she's saying, it is very difficult to trust somebody and work out an agreement with them when you don't believe them but my post tour is different with regard to working with the president and it came up last night, another reason for working -- trying to work with

h him. >> senator van hollen and i had a town hall meeting and it was different than the ones you have been showing. 800 people were there, standing ovation and a young lady got up to testify who is 28 years old and has stage four colon cancer and she begged us to try to make sure that the affordable care act stays alive and we addressed the issue of prescription drugs and told us she would be dead if it were not for that. >> in these four years, four years of this president and that lady, if i don't -- if i don't represent her and try to work out something, she's going to die. so i mean, that's how i look at life. and the things that maxine said, there's not a word she said as far as what is being found

through various hearings that i don't agree with but at the same time i've got people who need health care just like this young lady. the last thing i said to her, with tears in her eyes, i said i will not let you down. that's where i stand. >> let's talk about the future of the democratic party. we've all talked about democrats talked about losing 1,000 seats across the country, 62 house seats, there's sort of a battle right now and it's broken out the past couple of days about a candidate in twib supported a bill that pro-choice advocates dntd like and squikirmishes are breaking out. do you have a problem with the democratic party getting behind candidates let's say in the south or nebraska that may be pro-life or may be pro second

amendment that may line up more with their culture and their constituents than say in san francisco, new york or baltimore? >> joe, that's an easy answer. you and i were there in the congress when we had something called the blue dogs, conservative democrats and those democrats for a lot -- many instances, the democrats could not get things done if it were not for the blue dogs. my point is that i think -- it's one thing to say okay, i don't want to be bothered with these folks, it's another thing to say, let's pull up under the tent to be effective and efficient in getting something done, period. so again, that's just how i see it. and i'm hoping that we will begin -- i'm also hoping that president obama will be very

active in helping us go into some of those states and even the state legislators trying to get new members of the state legislature and new members of congress in the democratic side. >> elijah, i've been talking about what democrats need to do. it wasn't until i got out campaigning for moderate republicans in tough districts in seattle and illinois and other areas back in the late '90s that i went from looking at these people as the problem that we're getting in the way of the pure legislation to actually the next time we all -- i go up and hug them, thank you for being here. i have no idea how you win in your district. but you're the reason why we can get things done here. >> but, joe -- you remind me, before chaffetz became chairman, i visited his district in utah and got a whole new awakening as to why he stood for things he

stood for like the use of land and land rights, things of that nature. i had a chance to actually see it. many of us don't have a clue what's going on in each other's districts and how tough it is. i want to win in the end. i want to pull as many people under the tent as i can in the limited time i have to do this job. >> congressman cummings, it's willie geist, a lot of people asked a lot of question. i want to ask you about something on table right now inside the veterans affairs committee and they are talking about a provision that would tax the gi bill, in other words a veteran coming home from war would have to pay 2400 bucks to access the gi bill to get education benefits. what would you instruct members of that kpcommittee to do on th? >> vote against that. our veterans have paid a high price. they continue to pay high prices, my father-in-law is a veteran and so they don't need any more burdens on them.

they have given so much of our country and i would be against that, period. they need the money, other ways to get it. >> it's donny, nice to talk to you. i want to talk about kind of the future of the democratic party. every party is dead until a transformational figure comes along. and give me the three up and coming stars in our party because it's hard for me to say -- i know i'm putting you in a tough spot. if you were going to talk one or two or three players not so obvious on the national front that this could be a future leader of our party. who are they because i don't see them there? >> without a doubt, adam schiff from california who served on the benghazi committee with me, very impressed with adam. i think you look at even somebody like barbara lee who almost won the vice chairmanship of our committee, democratic

committee then i would look over in the senate. i still think kaine still stands a pretty good chance of being that leader but there are many. it's just that we are dealing with so much. i have to remember, just coming off a very tough election. i think we have to pull ourselves together and start like i said in city council and state legislator and congress, getting others like former president obama to help us, raise money and get the people ee llected and take over the governorships, that's what we have to do. >> kasie hunt, jason chaffet z has announced he's going to leave, not going to run for re-election. he has come under pressure to investigate the trump administration and passed on some issues but he has pressed them on others. is there any republicans on the

committee who you feel would be willing to investigate the trump administration in a way you would consider to be in full faith. >> no. i think -- we have a situation where you basically stated it. i think there are a number of republicans who are either because of loyalty or because of fear, do not want to mess with donald trump, but on the other hand when we go to their districts, they are afraid of people heckling them and booing them and so they get to a point where there's a no win situation. i think in the case of chaffetz, i don't think there's any kind of scandal or anything of that nature but i do believe he was caught in a hell of a bind. one of the things i said to chairman chaffetz, there's going to come a time when trump is not going to be in office. the question is that as we go through this what i call a trump storm, what's going to be left

after the storm? you have to always maintain your credibility. so after the storm people still look at you as a credible person. i said the same thing right away to vice president pence. >> and keith ellison, the second in command at the dnc, made some comments about president obama being really good at running elections for himself but maybe not helping out the party as much. do you think this should be part of obama's legacy and he should be helping the party more and what do you make of those comments? >> i'm not totally familiar with the comments but let me say this, i think president obama took the democratic party to a very high heights. and i think it's all of us have a role to play in why we were not as successful as we should have been. i point fingers at me, i'm the one. and i need to do more, all of us need to do more. going back to a question that

was asked earlier, i think we have to be open to the big ten conce concept. it is very important and then we have to have a strong message and need to repeat that message over and over again and it needs to be short and succinct. if i watch the republicans, if they do nothing else, they stay on message. we fleneed to be doing that. pelosi said it many times, the things we stand forgo to the heart of america and the things americans reelgly care about. we have to make sure they flow know it and understand that. >> always great to have you on the show. >> thank you, elijah. >> thank you. >> still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i don't think that there is a presidential period of time in the first 100 days where anyone has done nearly what we've been able to do. >> no administration has accomplished more in the first 90 days --

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>> i told her i was going to read this because if she read it she would read it contempt. anybody who has seen hoosiers understands -- >> i have not. >> the vice president from australian soil after leaving, but what happened on the flight getting attention. according to the poolers report at the vice president's request we would be required to watch the greatest sports movie ever made. >> everyone start clapping. >> it was not "slap shot". >> "rudy"? >> it is not "invictus". >> "hoosiers." the vice president's own personal dvd copy no less. >> with us from the white house now, nbc news white house correspondent, kristen welker, the president, once again, taking on health care. once again, putting his hand on the hot stove. and nobody is on the same page. >> no one is on the same page, joe. that's for sure. let me give you the sense behind the scenes here at the white house.

you have some top officials working vigorously trying to get something done on health care. top officials like steve bannon, the vice president before he left, they want to see some movement, they want to see a vote in the house. now we know that there is some language coming together around a potential compromise between the conservatives and the more moderate republicans. however, there's still no indication that that compromise is going to get more moderates on board. in that compromise, it includes an allowance for states to ask for waivers to provide some essential health benefits, things like maternity leave, emergency care. so that has some democrats calling this plan worse than the initial plan. now i had a conversation here last night at the white house with the senior administration official who said in addition to that desire to get something done before the first 100 day mark, there is also a lot of concern among some top advisors that this would be rushed through and the sense that i'm getting is, they're concerned about another potential health care debacle. the only thing that would be

worse than failing once would be failing twice. so i think you're seeing some senior advisors really putting on the brakes a little bit saying wait a minute, let's make sure we have the votes in the bag before we get the president really engaged in this. you will note this is a very different tone we're hearing from the president. he was measured yesterday in that press conference when he talked about this, asked if he could get both the c.r. done the government funding bill done and health care next week. the reality is i am told, while they want to see something done on health care, they are focused on making sure the government stays open and so that's going to be the key focus next week. although, still cautiously optimistic on health care. joe, mika? >> we shall see. kristen welker, thank you very much. >> have a great weekend. >> you too. >> tomorrow marks a big event as we celebrate comcast cares day. >> comcast cares day part of our year-round commitment to making a difference and we encourage everyone to join us and get involved. just like with red nose day and global citizen, it's a chance

for people everywhere to volunteer their time, energy and passion, to improve the lives of others. this year comcast cares day falls on april 22nd, earth day. it's the perfect day to make the world a better place. go to comcast and the community.com and sign up to volunteer. >> and for the second year running the initiative is locking arms with two of the world's leading non-profits, global citizen and red nose day. it's all aimed at exploring new opportunities for volunteering, fund-raising and taking action to help stamp out poverty and joining us now, senior executive vice president of comcast corporation, and the company's chief diversity officer, david cohen, and ceo of global citizen, hugh evans joins donny, joe and me as well. >> david, it is -- tomorrow is -- it's the largest, is it not? >> yeah. >> actually the largest day of voluntarism for any business any corporation in america. >> correct.

largest corporate day of service and we will have over 100,000 volunteers and a thousand projects in 21 countries, 42 states, the district of columbia and the -- and in puerto rico as well. >> that's like 5 million service hours. >> over 15 years, we've had 5 million service areas -- service hours and over 7500 projects. >> and what is the bottom line? what's the bottom line? >> so the bottom line for our company is, that ralph roberts our founder, always believed that the healthy, more healthy and vibrant our communities were, then the more healthy and vibrant our company would be. and we do service all year-round, but this is our day to celebrate and to amplify our commitment and the commitment of our employees to giving back to the communities. >> you guys -- >> mika referenced what we've done for the last few years is to use this incredible outpouring of employee engagement to amplify our

company's partnerships with global citizen and with red nose day. >> you could have picked about any organization but you chose red nose day and global citizen. why? >> we think these all three of these days, all three of these organizations, fit hand and glove. comcast cares day about service, giving back to the community, global citizen, the world's premier force for activism, activating people, having them engaged for advocacy, and then red nose day, the premier organization for raising funds to eradicate poverty. you link that altogether and it's a unique opportunity for our employees and company to help make change happen and to make the world a better place when we're done. >> and hugh, the global citizen festival is always this massive event. the next one is in september. but that's not the only thing global citizen -- you guys are working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week on this. how are you engaging people and

keeping the interest going, and compelling more people to step up? >> well, firstly, we've been so proud to be partnering with comcast for so many years now. this is the fourth year of our partnership with nbc unifoversa and we see in this trifecta of the partnership, between red nose day, comcast and global citizen, coming together, volunteering, fund-raising and activism to make this incredibly powerful dynamic. year-round we've been encouraging global citizens to get active through the app, download it, take action in your community all year-round. >> not only in your community but your goal and your move is to create the global citizen community that lives 24 hours a day 7 days a week and you simply use this concert as a way to activate that community and build it. >> exactly. wave grown to have 8.5 million members around the world and we're hugely excited because this year we're taking the festival to germany for the first time which wouldn't have been possible without the

support of comcast. chance la merkel of germany gave us an amazing message of support where she came out and said how excited she was to invite global citizen to come to germany. >> that's incredible. >> are you going to shake her hand when you meet her. >> even think about it. >> i thought i was about to hear a pitch for "morning joe" in germany. >> you should come with us. >> actually, we're -- >> we want to do europe this summer and look at america from london. >> european perspective. >> there's an election in germany. you've broken the news to phil griffin we're going to come. >> and the british -- >> give me a moment, you're in the center of this and you put this hours and stats. give me a moment that you've seen in this initiative, just in front of you between a comcast employee and a situation, that just -- >> there's so many great stories every year. one of my favorites i was out in albuquerque at a troubled school doing service at that school, building a television studio and

i was just walking around and saw some comcast employees working in a garden doing some planting and there was a young woman there, tears streaming down her face, and i was sort of -- i looked at her. i was worried she hurt herself or the lawyer in me is always worried. >> let me help you right now. can you please find this. >> i kneeled down and i introduced myself. >> can you sign this release. >> i'm sure you all sign releases beforehand. >> i said is there something wrong, and she looked up at me and said mr. cohen, i went to this school. i was -- >> oh, wow. >> i was close to being a high school dropout. this school saved me. and i ended up graduating from high school. i thought i was going to drop out. ended up -- and go to jail. i ended up graduating from this high school, getting a job at comcast, i've been at comcast for three years, i've been promoted twice and i'm just overwhelmed by seeing all of my colleagues out here helping to make this school that saved my

life. >> that's great. >> that's awesome. >> and hugh, talk -- >> you sort of say oh, my god. >> this is why we do it, yeah. >> talk about moments like that, i've always said one of the things about faith. >> yeah. >> is in a higher being, is that you take the emphasis off yourself and help others and it makes you feel better. regardless of your faith or whether you have no faith, getting involved in events like this, it really does enrich you to give of yourself? >> 100%. last year, david and i and richard curtis from red nose day, we went to a school up in harlem and we saw firsthand the impact that you can have with a day of voluntarism and we stood there, we were painting the walls of the classroom, we were painting outside and to hing that the next day, kids were going to come to school and see their whole classroom brightened up we were happy to be part of it. it's a true honor. >> comcast cares day takes place tomorrow and one of the great things about it is that anyone

can take part in it. you can get more information at comcastinthecommunity.com. kafds david cohen, thank you very much. hugh evans thank you as well. >> we need a new release for donny deutsch, any time he's on the set. >> that's a whole different story. >> thank you for your support. we appreciate it. thanks for inviting us on. >> great to have you on. >> so glad you're here. >> happy friday. >> that does it for us this morning. stefan my ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle. breaking news overnight, a suspect named in the paris terror attack as president trump weighs in. >> it looks like another terrorist attack and what can you say, it just never ends. >> suggesting the attack may change the course of the election there. will france's version of trump pull off a victory? also breaking overnight, a win for the president. negotiatg e